mysticwarrior:
you are right, the German army didn't matched for an all out invasion against Britain, it was only the German Airforce who carried out air raids and bombing s in London and other British cities in 1941. If the German had invaded Britain with the same force, temper and might they used against the Soviet union the then Great Britain would have been reduced to little Britain.

March with what please? with military tank? Do u think there's a land boundary between Germany and Britain?
Have u heard about the English tunnel? There's a reason he used d German air force.

Poland share a land border with Russia,, so it was easy for the German army to cross over to Moscow than London.

mysticwarrior:
the attempt invasion of Britain was strategized but never executed.

It was executed but it failed woefully

The gods were with Britain, that's all. Otherwise, Hitler would have launched an all-out attack with a combined heavy bombing, massive amphibious operation, massive para troopers, infiltration, sabotage etc.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:



It was executed but it failed woefully

my military history friend how are you? I have been long waiting for your post but it seems you were very busy offline, welcome back..time for observation and analysis.

From what I know the Germans planned to invade Britain with a large force but the planned was never put into action.
Now my question is this; how was it executed?
Which German division executed the first invasion?
Who were the German generals who lead the invading army?
What made the exercution to fail woefully?

mysticwarrior:
my military history friend how are you? I have been long waiting for your post but it seems you were very busy offline, welcome back..time for observation and analysis.

From what I know the Germans planned to invade Britain with a large force but the planned was never put into action.
Now my question is this; how was it executed?
Which German division executed the first invasion?
Who were the German generals who lead the invading army?
What made the exercution to fail woefully?

I dey fine,, and you?.......


Coming to your questions... It was executed using the German air force! Why? The German military general... Especially those in the army were very frightened cox of an amphibious assault on Britain. They demanded that the Navy should pilot the invasion. The navy in turn demanded that the German air force should cripple the Royal Airforce first,, controlling the British sky means that the all powerful Royal Navy gonna be vulnerable to air attack .

The German Luftwaffe lost the British air battle

The military division was d German Air force(d Luftwaffe) cox there was no way the German army gonna control the English channels without air support...

The German army despite their reputation had little to nothing to offer in the battle of Britain.
The general commander of the Luftwaffe was Hermann Goring.

Just like in a conventional war,, China trying to invade USA,, China will first of all have to pass through the Pacific ocean(world largest ocean),,form beach head and maintain logistics... Then crush the US NAVY ,, Chinese can't cripple the US NAVY without controlling what flies in the air. (Note that d US NAVY has the second largest Air force in the world after US Air Force)

So in order for the Germans to successfully attempt an amphibious assault on Britain,, they needed to crush the Royal Navy and you can't cripple d Royal Navy without air support.



In a nutshell, the battle of Britain was a total failure for the Germans...

1= the British Navy were far better advanced,, thousands of warship primarily built for the defense of the British isle.

2= The RAF were also far more advanced,,they were the first to deploy the use of radar in a military aircraft during the second World War.

am fine... I was expecting you to suppress my doubts of how the invasion failed woefully, but I was much more disappointed with this your post, pls no offense shoud be taken, but I never believe this would be coming from a friend whom I respected so much for having deep understanding on the art of war, when you said " the invassion was executed but failed woefully" you gave me the impression that the Germans invaded Britain and there was a direct confrontation between the German military and British military, and the Germans were either defeated or forced to retreat during fighting. But your answers to my questions were Absolutely below expectation from a man of your standard. We can say the German invasion of the soviet union failed woefully and it would by generally accepted. Germany planned to invade England but it was never put into action, Hitler turned around and faced the East instead with an unprecedented Force. Pls my dear since you want us to believe that the invasion failed woefully, pls tell us the locations where the invasion took place, and how the British made the invasion to failed by routing the German army in the battle field.? Pls what are the casualties of war from both sides, how many Tanks where lost or captured? what was the number of German prisoners of war taken in the invasion that "failed woefully? Who announced the German surrender that made the invasion to "failed woefully?

mysticwarrior:
am fine... I was expecting you to suppress my doubts of how the invasion failed woefully, but I was much more disappointed with this your post, pls no offense shoud be taken, but I never believe this would be coming from a friend whom I respected so much for having deep understanding on the art of war, when you said " the invassion was executed but failed woefully" you gave me the impression that the Germans invaded Britain and there was a direct confrontation between the German military and British military, and the Germans were either defeated or forced to retreat during fighting. But your answers to my questions were Absolutely below expectation from a man of your standard. We can say the German invasion of the soviet union failed woefully and it would by generally accepted. Germany planned to invade England but it was never put into action, Hitler turned around and faced the East instead with an unprecedented Force. Pls my dear since you want us to believe that the invasion failed woefully, pls tell us the locations where the invasion took place, and how the British made the invasion to failed by routing the German army in the battle field.? Pls what are the casualties of war from both sides, how many Tanks where lost or captured? what was the number of German prisoners of war taken in the invasion that "failed woefully? Who announced the German surrender that made the invasion to "failed woefully?

Am sorry but you're sounding like an infant.
Do you think it's only the army that are responsible for a military invasion?
You think it's only tanks that can win u war abi?
Generally, military is divided into three organs, Navy, Airforce and Army. Each has her own specific function. The British Isles is close to impossible of being invaded through land?
How many times are we gonna tell you that Britain is an island nation separated from the European mainland by the English channel and the North Sea. The German army had little to nothing to offer (second time I dey repeat dis line).

Comparing the military strategy Germany used against Russia to that of Britain will make u look childish. It was easier for the German army to move from Poland to Moscow.

What d Germans needed to cross the English channels was a brutal naval power and an Ariel lethality.

In d 1991 Gulf war,, d coalition forces led by USA bombed the Iraqi troops in Kuwait from the air for five consecutive weeks. It was followed by a ground assault which was a mere formality. Telling you d importance of controlling what flies in the air. Everything is not all about tanks ogbeni.

Germany bombed Britain 52 days in a row (day and night)... Yet the German Airforce couldn't control what flies in the British airspace. That was how the invasion of Britain failed.,, it came to a sudden end. From there they went to engage Russia.

wirinet:

I always tell you guys that you do not fight wars based on emotions. How did you expect Britain to directly confront a German war machine that had been preparing for over 5 years. Cowardice is fighting a war you cannot win.

Cowardice is not fighting a war at all, even when needed.
It takes a fatal kind of courage to fight a war you cannot win.

RTSC:

Cowardice is not fighting a war at all, even when needed.
It takes a fatal kind of courage to fight a war you cannot win.

lol , it is better to fight and win or loose with honor than to fold your arms and watch your enemies Rob their shits on your face without resistance.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:




Am sorry but you're sounding like an infant.
Do you think it's only the army that are responsible for a military invasion?
You think it's only tanks that can win u war abi?
Generally, military is divided into three organs, Navy, Airforce and Army. Each has her own specific function. The British Isles is close to impossible of being invaded through land?
How many times are we gonna tell you that Britain is an island nation separated from the European mainland by the English channel and the North Sea. The German army had little to nothing to offer (second time I dey repeat dis line).

Comparing the military strategy Germany used against Russia to that of Britain will make u look childish. It was easier for the German army to move from Poland to Moscow.

What d Germans needed to cross the English channels was a brutal naval power and an Ariel lethality.

In d 1991 Gulf war,, d coalition forces led by USA bombed the Iraqi troops in Kuwait from the air for five consecutive weeks. It was followed by a ground assault which was a mere formality. Telling you d importance of controlling what flies in the air. Everything is not all about tanks ogbeni.

Germany bombed Britain 52 days in a row (day and night)... Yet the German Airforce couldn't control what flies in the British airspace. That was how the invasion of Britain failed.,, it came to a sudden end. From there they went to engage Russia.

OK from all what you wrote here Britain only survived because it was an Island nation which could only be invaded by sea, and supportted by Airier Brutality. According to you the Germans where not having effective Naval capabilities needed to invade Britain abi?
But you have indirectly admitted that if Britain could have been accessible through land, the German and their Machines would have Grinded Britain to dust. Am completely satisfied with this impression.

I heard because of john churchill-duke of wellington defeated napoleon

RTSC:

Cowardice is not fighting a war at all, even when needed.
It takes a fatal kind of courage to fight a war you cannot win.

Foolishness is fighting a war you are not prepared for and cannot win, and then screaming genocide, Hague, UN when the killings start.

Calling Britain, that at one time or the other fought wars in over 98% of the world countries coward is the height of ignorance.
Which is foolish, a Germany that instigated and lost 2 world wars or a Britain that bid it's time and was in the winning team of the 2 world wars.

Same with Japan that attacked a US, they cannot win or a US that bid it's time before being dragged into the war.
If it was in ancient times, the carthage treatment would have befell Japan and Germany and it's people wiped off the face of the earth.

wirinet:

Foolishness is fighting a war you are not prepared for and cannot win, and then screaming genocide, Hague, UN when the killings start.

Calling Britain, that at one time or the other fought wars in over 98% of the world countries coward is the height of ignorance.
Which is foolish, a Germany that instigated and lost 2 world wars or a Britain that bid it's time and was in the winning team of the 2 world wars.

Same with Japan that attacked a US, they cannot win or a US that bid it's time before being dragged into the war.
If it was in ancient times, the carthage treatment would have befell Japan and Germany and it's people wiped off the face of the earth.

what is this one saying, why declaring a war on someone you can't fight on your own, its like a sleeping GOAT challenging an angry and hungry lion to a battle and hoping that a tiger who is far away would come to his rescue, Britain was bombarded by German war planes for more than a month and Britain couldn't even lunched an all out attack with their almighty navy against Germany, that is the absolute height of cowardice my friend, try that with the Americans and you will be sorry.

mysticwarrior:
what is this one saying, why declaring a war on someone you can't fight on your own, its like a sleeping GOAT challenging an angry and hungry lion to a battle and hoping that a tiger who is far away would come to his rescue, Britain was bombarded by German war planes for more than a month and Britain couldn't even lunched an all out attack with their almighty navy against Germany, that is the absolute height of cowardice my friend, try that with the Americans and you will be sorry.

Germany took everyone by surprise. Declaration of war does not automatically mean battle. The battles will come later. Britain needed time to prepare, especially after loosing a large chunk of her heavy armory in the attempted defence of France.
Hitler offered Britain peace and to allow her keep her colonies if Britain hold back and allow Germany keep already conquered territories, Churchill refused. Now, does that sound like the acts of cowardice?

When Britain declared war, what did you expect her to do? Launch an immediate invasion on Berlin?

mysticwarrior:
OK from all what you wrote here Britain only survived because it was an Island nation which could only be invaded by sea, and supportted by Airier Brutality. According to you the Germans where not having effective Naval capabilities needed to invade Britain abi?
But you have indirectly admitted that if Britain could have been accessible through land, the German and their Machines would have Grinded Britain to dust. Am completely satisfied with this impression.

This has been why Britain has survived all invasions. The English channel and the North Sea is a difficult barrier.

mysticwarrior:
OK from all what you wrote here Britain only survived because it was an Island nation which could only be invaded by sea, and supportted by Airier Brutality. According to you the Germans where not having effective Naval capabilities needed to invade Britain abi?
But you have indirectly admitted that if Britain could have been accessible through land, the German and their Machines would have Grinded Britain to dust. Am completely satisfied with this impression.

There's nothing like "" IF""....

Have you heard of William the Bastard? This man did what Hitler and Germany couldn't do.

A short trip down the memory lane will tell you that in the later stage of the first decade following the second half of the 11th century... William the Conqueror crossed the English channel and the North Sea, he invaded and conquered Britain. Went on to rule the English people for two decades until his death in 1087.


Military prowess is not judged solely on your land capabilities... U can't just rely on your army to win you war, especially a war across the national frontier. Your Naval and Air power must be as strong as your Land force.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:




There's nothing like "" IF""....

Have you heard of William the Bastard? This man did what Hitler and Germany couldn't do.

A short trip down the memory lane will tell you that in the later stage of the first decade following the second half of the 11th century... William the Conqueror crossed the English channel and the North Sea, he invaded and conquered Britain. Went on to rule the English people for two decades until his death in 1087.


Military prowess is not judged solely on your land capabilities... U can't just rely on your army to win you war, especially a war across the national frontier. Your Naval and Air power must be as strong as your Land force.

I have never really heard of William the conqueror, thanks for abreasting me about the conqueror who was unknown to me before now. Atleast this your writeup has completely discredited Wirenet who claims that" Britain has never been conquered, even after I told him of how the Vikings ravaged England he still refused to do more research and kept embarrassing himself here.
They Navy is just playing a supporting role for the army during seal invasion, don't forget that we also have amphibian Divisions and Battalions who engaged in both Marine and terrestrial warfare. The army also supports the navy during sea invasion as in the case of the battle of Normandy. But all the same the British were so disappointing and annoying during the Early stage of the war, even when the French Army was about to collapse before the Germans the British didn't do anything actionable enough to support their allied and prevent them from going down, they watched France collapsed the same way they watched Poland and Czechoslovakia crumbled. after declaring war on Germany the world was expecting the British cowards to storm all German occupied territories, but instead they hide behind their sea and quiver with fear as the Germans continued bringing down the armies of European countries one after the other.

mysticwarrior:
the British were so disappointing and annoying during the Early stage of the war, even when the French Army was about to collapse before the Germans the British didn't do anything actionable enough to support their allied and prevent them from going down, they watched France collapsed the same way they watched Poland and Czechoslovakia crumbled..

UK was not prepared as they made Poland believe when they declared war on Germany. As a matter of fact the British were hoping to get some from Uncle Sam., but the Americans were not willing to get involved into "another European war" after WW1.

mysticwarrior:
I have never really heard of William the conqueror, thanks for abreasting me about the conqueror who was unknown to me before now. Atleast this your writeup has completely discredited Wirenet who claims that" Britain has never been conquered, even after I told him of how the Vikings ravaged England he still refused to do more research and kept embarrassing himself here.
They Navy is just playing a supporting role for the army during seal invasion, don't forget that we also have amphibian Divisions and Battalions who engaged in both Marine and terrestrial warfare. The army also supports the navy during sea invasion as in the case of the battle of Normandy. But all the same the British were so disappointing and annoying during the Early stage of the war, even when the French Army was about to collapse before the Germans the British didn't do anything actionable enough to support their allied and prevent them from going down, they watched France collapsed the same way they watched Poland and Czechoslovakia crumbled. after declaring war on Germany the world was expecting the British cowards to storm all German occupied territories, but instead they hide behind their sea and quiver with fear as the Germans continued bringing down the armies of European countries one after the other.

"Cowardice" is far better than annihilation.

If the Germans can bring down France so easily, what would happen to the British if they attacked the Germans on mainland Europe? They would have been wiped out.

Of course, the British had an Intelligence Service which would have informed the army about the strength of the Germans. They had known that Hitler had started building a formidable army upon assumption of office in 1933. This army was millions strong and was bountifully equipped. At this time, I doubt the British army could boast of up to 200,000 troops and in terms of weapons, very poor when compared with the Germans.

The Germans would have eaten them alive were they too have stormed mainland Europe.

What happened to brave Japan that attacked Pearl Harbour in December 1941?

mysticwarrior:
I have never really heard of William the conqueror, thanks for abreasting me about the conqueror who was unknown to me before now. Atleast this your writeup has completely discredited Wirenet who claims that" Britain has never been conquered, even after I told him of how the Vikings ravaged England he still refused to do more research and kept embarrassing himself here.
They Navy is just playing a supporting role for the army during seal invasion, don't forget that we also have amphibian Divisions and Battalions who engaged in both Marine and terrestrial warfare. The army also supports the navy during sea invasion as in the case of the battle of Normandy. But all the same the British were so disappointing and annoying during the Early stage of the war, even when the French Army was about to collapse before the Germans the British didn't do anything actionable enough to support their allied and prevent them from going down, they watched France collapsed the same way they watched Poland and Czechoslovakia crumbled. after declaring war on Germany the world was expecting the British cowards to storm all German occupied territories, but instead they hide behind their sea and quiver with fear as the Germans continued bringing down the armies of European countries one after the other.

Am done with u on this one.. Goodnight

grandstar:


"Cowardice" is far better than annihilation.

If the Germans can bring down France so easily, what would happen to the British if they attacked the Germans on mainland Europe? They would have been wiped out.

Of course, the British had an Intelligence Service which would have informed the army about the strength of the Germans. They had known that Hitler had started building a formidable army upon assumption of office in 1933. This army was millions strong and was bountifully equipped. At this time, I doubt the British army could boast of up to 200,000 troops and in terms of weapons, very poor when compared with the Germans.

The Germans would have eaten them alive were they too have stormed mainland Europe.

What happened to brave Japan that attacked Pearl Harbour in December 1941?

No matter how hard you try to make them see the senselessness of going into a war, you just can't win, they just can't understand. They think bravery is leading your military and people to be slaughtered, and then make excuses for failure.

Imagine saying the British should have gone on the offensive against Germany without enough troops, arms or intelligence. If they really persist with this belief, then they will never ever win any war. They can exhibit all acts of bravery the want, but will always lose the war.

wirinet:


No matter how to make the see them senseless of going into a war, you just can't win, they just can't understand. They think bravery is leading your military and people to be slaughtered, and then make excuses for failure.

Imagine saying the British should have gone on the offensive against Germany without enough troops, arms or intelligence. If they really persist with this belief, then they will never ever win any war. They can exhibit all acts of bravery the want, but will always lose the war.

You're 1,000% correct. The Germans had an overwhelming edge against the British and practically against everyone save the United States. Even they had to get out everyone man to fight. That was how powerful the Germans were.

The British bidding their time before they got engaged in the war was smart.

I agree with you both on your analysis.

On a Simulator the Germans possibility of winning the war is around 33%, the last time any Nation accomplished such feat was in the days of Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte and is debated that even the great European Emperor himself fell short of his dream of world domination.

Even he was eventually tamed by the combine force of the continental disenfranchised backed by allied forces.

The main lessons of the World Wars is that of peace amongst European states.

If European states don’t wage war against each other, or anyone else, then, the whole world is relatively living peacefully.

@Op Neither Napoleon nor Hitller had the cohonus’ to because of past historical events, probably what they heard happened to the Italians during the Roman Empire conquest.

I can just imagine Mussolini chewing on Hitlers ears with the same advice.

Plus, the history of Europe is littered with conflict and war during these times people witness crushing battles and hear of awesome victories all within the continent.

No highly talked about historical general intentionally works to get his/her army wiped out.

Modern day historians argues on the extracts of the Emperor Napoleon diaries, Napoleon was a career soldier person, he cherished his records, no wonder he was able to maintain his twenty year winning streak.

Napoleon always had his winning streak record at the back of his mind before entering into any campaign.

Whether one thinks Napoleon was a moving calculator or a ruthless killer is besides the point, he was definitely smart. Attacking the Island would have put his battlefield records into disrepute.

Assuming either Napoleon or Hitler was foolish enough to have ventured, nobody would remember them today as smart and calculated Generals on the battlefield, but as just another casualty of European history.

Hitler was a dreamer and a delusional soldier-general he caused much of the troubles in the world today as per conflict and war weaponry is concerned, if not for his crazy party and their crazy ideas with viewpoints that are devisive, there would be no need for nuclear weapons and all other physical weapons of mass destruction.

Eurocentric bigots have close to Nazi sympathy and adopt much of their divisive viewpoints.

Since it’s illegal to proclaim Nazi, those sympathetic to their twisted ideology have found their new home in other places.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Napoleon didn't have the naval power for an all out invasion of Britain.. With d help of his foreign affairs minister Mr Charles Maurice De Talleyrand they tried to isolate Britain.

While d Brits were looking to contain Napoleonic France.. Trying to maintain a European balance of power...

Hitler tried invading Britain but he failed. His Luftwaffe was a no match for the British Royal Air force,, hence they failed d win the air battle because there is no way he gonna invade Britain through the English channels. It's significant to note that before and during the war..that Britain had the most powerful navy in the world..

Precisely, Hitler and his cronies knew they couldn’t possibly invade Britain on an all out attack successfully, however their attempt of Air Force invasion failed spectacularly, although if he has attempted an all out invasion on the Isles we probably wouldn’t be discussing topic on him today as he would have been just another casualty of Europe’s war ridden history.

Hitler represents the epitome of “Eurocentric Supremacy” or “White Supremacy”; everything that I am fighting against on a daily bases.

The Nazi party re-invented “White Supramacy” concepts that are vile and evil. The reason it’s illegal to admit being are a Nazi in all European states.

Amujale:


Precisely, Hitler and his cronies knew they couldn’t possibly invade Britain on an all out attack successfully, however their attempt of Air Force invasion failed spectacularly, although if he has attempted an all out invasion on the Isles we probably wouldn’t be discussing topic on him today as he would have been just another casualty of Europe’s war ridden history.

Oil dey ur head

OkpaNsukkaisBae:

Oil dey ur head

Thank you sir.

Amujale:


Meaning, can’t you make your point without sounding like a jerk?

What is it that you fail to understand?

I don’t see you refuting any contextual material in my post. I regret quoting you in first place, don’t worry I will remove you ASAP.

Jerk

(oil dey your head=means you're intelligent)
That's a compliment bro..
Maybe you're not a Nigerian...
Are you??

OkpaNsukkaisBae:





(oil dey your head=means you're intelligent)
That's a compliment bro..
Maybe you're not a Nigerian...
Are you??

Oh I am really sorry bro , point taken and stored into my lexicon.

Yes I am Nigerian sir.

At least I learn something new today. I am always happy to learn.

Thank you for the compliment. You are a breathe of new ideas.

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