~Bluetooth:

Trust me. any campaign of such will have made Abacha deployed the whole Nigerian Army to the region and wipe off you guys .your people had to wait for democrazie to push such propaganda.

Dude, you are talking rubbish. The question is whether there is a Niger Delta or not. What has that got to do with Abacha?
Is Abacha your geography teacher? Scary!

I would have thought any adult Nigerian person would simply confirm by checking their maps or digging up their old primary school books (if they are educated).

We can see that the revisionist historians are out in force again. Oghene bikor - Mek una try to dey read book once in a while.

The term Niger Delta protectorate, Oil rivers protectorate, Niger Delta coast protectorate  are from the 1880's and  all predate the colonial contraption called Nigeria.

SapeleGuy:

We can see that the revisionist historians are out in force again. [size=14pt]Oghene bikor[/size] - Mek una try to dey read book once in a while.

The term Niger Delta protectorate, Oil rivers protectorate, Niger Delta coast protectorate are from the 1880's and all predate the colonial contraption called Nigeria.

Seriously! Sometimes, I almost question the sanity of some NLers, imagine educated people saying there was no Niger Delta before Abacha's time?!
Maybe we just weren't aware when Abacha (or whoevers) dredgers and diggers were creating all the rivers that make up the Niger Delta.

Beaf:

Seriously! Sometimes, I almost question the sanity of some NLers, imagine educated people saying there was no Niger Delta before Abacha's time?!
Maybe we just weren't aware when Abacha (or whoevers) dredgers and diggers were creating all the rivers that make up the Niger Delta.

Don't mind them. They seek relevance and imaginary importance by denigrating other cultures because they have a low sense of self esteem.

Ask these people to state their history from 1850 onwards and you will not see their brake lights.

SapeleGuy:

We can see that the revisionist historians are out in force again. Oghene bikor - Mek una try to dey read book once in a while.

The term Niger Delta protectorate, Oil rivers protectorate, Niger Delta coast protectorate  are from the 1880's and  all predate the colonial contraption called Nigeria.

I have told you people not to come here to re-write history.Most of the empires/kingdoms that existed in the present day Niger delta region existed independently.Tell me what I dont know about pre-colonial states and government.I want to know the history of Niger delta of 1880 !

Beaf:

I don't know of any Niger Delta created by Ijaw people (except in la-la land). The only person that can be accused of creating another version of the Niger Delta other than that supported by geography is Obasanjo, or did Ijaws create River Niger too?
I grew up in the Niger Delta, was taught about it in school and it has always been very real to me.
Every book I have read places Warri in the Niger Delta, maybe you people just don't read books. I wonder if you contest whether your state and village exist, or if they were created by almighty Ijaws too?
Tribal supremacists never know when their words cross the line.

Kai, you're either being too simplistic or simply trying to ignore history.
Niger Delta, Jos plateau, or Lake chad basin as a geographic entity is different from any of these a political entity. I still maintain that before Adaka Boro, Edwin Clark, etc, Niger Delta did not exist as a political unit as we know it today.
Nobody is doubting your location as being in the Niger Delta, but you'll agree that before the oil, Warri was just a midwestern city, not just a Niger Delta city as we know it today.

~Bluetooth:

I have told you people not to come here to re-write history.Most of the empires/kingdoms that existed in the present day Niger delta region existed independently.Tell me what I dont know about pre-colonial states and government.I want to know the history of Niger delta of 1880 !

Niger Delta predates Nigeria, disprove this with fact and not obstinate conjecture.

Beaf:

Dude, you are talking rubbish. The question is whether there is a Niger Delta or not. What has that got to do with Abacha?
Is Abacha your geography teacher? Scary!

I would have thought any adult Nigerian person would simply confirm by checking their maps or digging up their old primary school books (if they are educated).

who's talking geography here ? I'm talking about history and you are here tripping.Can you please tell me where in the history of pre-colonial Nigeria where reference was made to Niger delta as a source of contribution to Nigeria development.We learned about warri,asaba existence dating back as 3000 BC.can you tell us when ND was discovered ? And don't try to discard me this time around cuz I still maintain my stand that the political ND we know as at date is a 21st century fraud !

After Nigeria handed Bakasi Peninsula to Cameroun on an platter of gold, the amount of oil wells within the territory of Cross River State became massively reduced and hence a debate sprung up whether Cross River State is still qualified to be called Niger Delta.


That I think tells you how much the concept of Niger-Delta is to do with OIL and how much of it is to do with Geography.

SapeleGuy:

Niger Delta predates Nigeria, disprove this with fact and not obstinate conjecture.

Conjectures ? We are talking about history here not pdp or Jonathan.Is either you know it or you bone !

naijaking1:

Kai, you're either being too simplistic or simply trying to ignore history.
Niger Delta, Jos plateau, or Lake chad basin as a geographic entity is different from any of these a political entity. I still maintain that before Adaka Boro, Edwin Clark, etc, Niger Delta did not exist as a political unit as we know it today.
Nobody is doubting your location as being in the Niger Delta, but you'll agree that before the oil, Warri was just a midwestern city, not just a Niger Delta city as we know it today.

What do you mean by before the oil? There has always been oil in these places, first it was palm oil then it was crude.

Warri and Sapele were central to the success of the oil rivers protectorate in the 1880's. Please try to read.

mikeansy:

After Nigeria handed Bakasi Peninsula to Cameroun on an platter of gold, the amount of oil wells within the territory of Cross River State became massively reduced and hence a debate sprung up whether Cross River State is still qualified to be called Niger Delta.


That I think tells you how much the concept of Niger-Delta is to do with OIL and how much of it is to do with Geography.

Abi o.Is it today that oil producing states are having an umbrella body to properly recognise them ? Why is the case of ND generating problems ? It's all about oil to give more recognition to some oil producing states over another.I learnt bayelsa is the highest producing state after jonathan upped its daily production,that means more money for the ijaw.na so i hear ooo

~Bluetooth:

who's talking geography here ? I'm talking about history and you are here tripping.Can you please tell me where in the history of pre-colonial Nigeria where reference was made to Niger delta as a source of contribution to Nigeria development.We learned about warri,asaba existence dating back as 3000 BC.can you tell us when ND was discovered ? And don't try to discard me this time around cuz I still maintain my stand that the political ND we know as at date is a 21st century fraud !

Learn about the Conference of Berlin and the scramble for Africa; [size=14pt]the term, Niger Delta, has been in use for centuries[/size]. Defending ignorance is as bad as defending foolishness:
http://courses.wcupa.edu/jones/his312/lectures/ber-cong.htm

Your arguments are sounding really foolish.

Beaf:

Learn about the Conference of Berlin and the scramble for Africa; [size=14pt]the term, Niger Delta, has been in use for centuries[/size]. Defending ignorance is as bad as defending foolishness:
http://courses.wcupa.edu/jones/his312/lectures/ber-cong.htm

Your arguments are sounding really foolish.

Copy and paste the sentence in the link you provided that talks about Niger-Delta please.

People are mixing issues here there is oil producing states, south south region and and the term naija delta is used loosely to describe oil producing states or the south south region. Then we have the true Niger-delta that predates the formation of Nigeria

krendo:

Copy and paste the sentence in the link you provided that talks about Niger-Delta please.

If you can't help yourself, I pity you.

You all seem to be arguing about two different things.

Beaf:

Learn about the Conference of Berlin and the scramble for Africa; [size=14pt]the term, Niger Delta, has been in use for centuries[/size]. Defending ignorance is as bad as defending foolishness:
http://courses.wcupa.edu/jones/his312/lectures/ber-cong.htm

Your arguments are sounding really foolish.

sometimes i wondered if you pass through the wall of the university with the way you reason.anyways i'm not like you cuz i appreciate sapeleguy's contribution than yours.its always easy to really know a knowledgeable person not a sentimental human-being like you.Fyi,the berlin conference only gave an official recognition to european colonization of Africa and how does that answer the questions i asked you?

As a "movement" or "political unit" ND is just recently being recognized.

~Bluetooth:

Can you please tell me where in the history of pre-colonial Nigeria where reference was made to Niger delta as a source of contribution to Nigeria development.

Are you essentially asking what Niger Delta has contributed to Nigeria?

Mek I speak brokin, e be like say you dey joke. How you fit ask dis kain question? Book no dey read im self, abeg go do small  research.

Back to the Jamb question from the opening poster. Niger Delta does exist, without Niger Delta, Nigeria will grind to a halt in 3 months flat.

~Bluetooth:

sometimes i wondered if you pass through the wall of the university with the way you reason.anyways i'm not like you cuz i appreciate sapeleguy's contribution than yours.its always easy to really know a knowledgeable person not a sentimental human-being like you.Fyi,the berlin conference only gave an official recognition to european colonization of Africa and how does that answer the questions i asked you?

Dude, don't wonder about anybodys education, when yours is made up of motorpark rumours.

I asked you to read about the Berlin Conference. You will find out that the most important trade item at that time was oil palm produce (something the Niger Delta was famous for). When you read about the Berlin Conference, you will learn about the various protectorates, what they were called and what areas they covered. Of course, you will also come across "Niger Delta."

Getting an education beats foolish ranting anyday.

chyz:

As a "movement" or "political unit" ND is just recently being recognized.

They are recognized yet they are under the defunct eastern region ? What a fallacy !

SapeleGuy:

Are you essentially asking what Niger Delta has contributed to Nigeria?


Mek I speak brokin, e be like say you dey joke. How you fit ask dis kain question? Book no dey read im self, abeg go do small  research.

Back to the Jamb question from the opening poster. Niger Delta does exist, without Niger Delta, Nigeria will grind to a halt in 3 months flat.

Not till oil was discovered.honestly,i've never hear of the word ND as used today as a reference point.Though kingdoms like asaba,agbor and warri have been existing for long and have contributed individual to the political development of Nigeria but not under any umbrella.this has nothing to do with tribalism,its a known fact !

~Bluetooth:

Abi o.Is it today that oil producing states are having an umbrella body to properly recognise them ? Why is the case of ND generating problems ? It's all about oil to give more recognition to some oil producing states over another.I learnt bayelsa is the highest producing state after jonathan upped its daily production,that means more money for the ijaw.na so i hear ooo

Tribalist donkeys always roll with motorpark rumours.

This book was published in 1970, Nigeria: background to nationalism By James S. Coleman. For some reason (maybe na jass), the man (oyibo for dat matter) uses the term, "Niger Delta!" In 1970! Na wa o!

Why?

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZOgdDZlJqG8C&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=Niger+Delta+protectorate+berlin&source=bl&ots=YHoA5c9kF3&sig=qXnL2R3dkqXYYYFiDOVg8GVrpCw&hl=en&ei=X5_UTIbyDtKH4QbYtKXrBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CC8Q6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=Niger%20Delta%20protectorate%20berlin&f=false

SapeleGuy:

What do you mean by before the oil? There has always been oil in these places, first it was palm oil then it was crude.

Warri and Sapele were central to the success of the oil rivers protectorate in the 1880's. Please try to read.

No need to play with words, you know we're talking about crude oil.

Sapele, Warri, and Bonny are historical cities that predate Nigeria. There was no question about whether they were in eastern or midwestern Nigeria.

Pharoh:

People are mixing issues here there is oil producing states, south south region and and the term naija delta is used loosely to describe oil producing states or the south south region. Then we have the true Niger-delta that predates the formation of Nigeria

SS, SE, or SW are post IBB designations that groups people according to relative geo-political affinity, but the concept of Niger Delta of late has been corrupted not only to mean SS, but where all of our crude oil is produced, which is false.
I think that's why the poster asked this original question.

Beaf:

Tribalist donkeys always roll with motorpark rumours.

This book was published in 1970, Nigeria: background to nationalism By James S. Coleman. For some reason (maybe na jass), the man (oyibo for dat matter) uses the term, "Niger Delta!" In 1970! Na wa o!

Why?

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZOgdDZlJqG8C&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=Niger+Delta+protectorate+berlin&source=bl&ots=YHoA5c9kF3&sig=qXnL2R3dkqXYYYFiDOVg8GVrpCw&hl=en&ei=X5_UTIbyDtKH4QbYtKXrBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CC8Q6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=Niger%20Delta%20protectorate%20berlin&f=false

That is always your problem.Anytime you can't have it your way,you resort to insults.I asked you serious questions but you directed the question to google and came up with a book !
can't you just tell me ND was founded by so so person and in the year so and so.at atleast this is in a simpler form for you to understand .yoruba ,ibo ,Benin,Junkum,Nupe,Igala and so may others have their histories,can't you give ND history ? I'm not asking for books for God sake !

~Bluetooth:

Not till oil was discovered.honestly,i've never hear of the word ND as used today as a reference point.Though kingdoms like asaba,agbor and warri have been existing for long and have contributed individual to the political development of Nigeria but not under any umbrella.this has nothing to do with tribalism,its a known fact !

The Berlin conference and the scramble for Africa were about preserving the economic interests of the colonialialists, to understand this is to embrace the unknowns that you don't know. You really need to read more. As my people say, know yourself no be cuss.

Please provide us with a link to justify your position, on this occasion I will even accept wikipedia.

~Bluetooth:

That is always your problem.Anytime you can't have it your way,you resort to insults.I asked you serious questions but you directed the question to google and came up with a book !
can't you just tell me ND was founded by so so person and in the year so and so.at atleast this is in a simpler form for you to understand .yoruba ,ibo ,Benin,Junkum,Nupe,Igala and so may others have their histories,can't you give ND history ? [size=14pt]I'm not asking for books for God sake[/size] !

Enh?!!!

Books have a way of disgracing tribalistic motorpark touts that seek to denigrate others! Books! Na wa for books sha!!!
Imagine another oyibo talking of Niger Delta in 1965! Damn!

"Brass was formerly one of the most active trading towns in the Niger delta. The famous Akassa war (January, 1895)". . .
- The Gold Coast, Britain and the Netherlands 1850 – 1874

Buy it here; http://afraf.oxfordjournals.org/content/64/254/62.extract

Beaf:

Books have a way of disgracing tribalistic motorpark touts that seek to denigrate others! Books! Na wa for books sha!!!
Imagine another oyibo talking of Niger Delta in 1965! Damn!

Brass was formerly one of the most active trading towns in the Niger delta. The famous Akassa war (January, 1895). . .
- The Gold Coast, Britain and the Netherlands 1850 – 1874

Buy it here; http://afraf.oxfordjournals.org/content/64/254/62.extract

Was it not the same Benin that you refused to recognised as part of ND state that was famous for BRASS art ?

@Bluetooth

These oyibo people are terrible o! Can you imagine them writing about the Niger Delta in 1866?! Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1866?!! People go faint o!

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4vEHAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA2-PA49&dq=Berlin+Conference+Niger+River+delta&hl=en&ei=AanUTOm2B42EhQexvYHYBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Berlin%20Conference%20Niger%20River%20delta&f=false

Beaf:

If you can't help yourself, I pity you.

The reason I ask you to do that is because the link you provided says nothing about ND.

^
Dude, my apologies, you are indeed correct. I've produced other links and some quotes since then.

~Bluetooth:

Was it not the same Benin that you refused to recognised as part of ND state that was famous for BRASS art ?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! . . .Surely, it can't be this bad?!
Chai! Your ignorance has finally come to camp! Brass is a place in Bayelsa, it has a very important place in the history of Nigeria (which you are ignorant off).

Damn! Lol @ "brass art!" Laf go kill man pikin o!

SapeleGuy:

The Berlin conference and the scramble for Africa were about preserving the economic interests of the colonialialists, to understand this is to embrace the unknowns that you don't know. You really need to read more. As my people say, know yourself no be cuss.

Please provide us with a link to justify your position, on this occasion I will even accept wikipedia.

Colonialism has been on for long.The berlin conference only gave it an official recognition.Do you need any link to understand this ?