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Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by ada24: 12:21am On Nov 22, 2010 |
gestapo: YAWN, having realised the mentality of people like you my blood pressure is fine thanks, plucking "credit balance", trying to convince people i am in the UK, oh gosh i would laugh if it wasn't so ridiculous. just to belong to what? the internet? nairaland? wow!!!!!!!!! buzz apologies i mis read what u wrote - i thought u were referring to savings interest (most banks don't pay interest on current account balances anymore). why u guys are arguing or exchanging views (bordering on insults) is beyond me - can't people agree to disagree? |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by invisible2(m): 12:25am On Nov 22, 2010 |
@ buzugee, afraid catch me o! I wish our leader remain in ignorance of those taxes. In Nigeria, you can; buy a car and drive it home and pay nothing in taxes, only payment will be reg. Number. Buy a house and pack in, you only pay the land owner, we dont even care to document the transaction in a land registry. Those that do understate the purchase price, you can write 100k as purchase price so you pay only 1250 naira as stamp duty and registry fees for a land of 15 million. But if you dont register it, no wahala, e no concern anyboby. You can draw your plans and build your house with your direct labour, no inspection fees of approvals from engineers or govt. Who even thinks of building insurance? We see it as waste of good money and we dont do it (99%) of all houses here. You can sell and buy shares in any company and not pay a dime in capital gains tax. Just pay transaction fees and go and enjoy your loot. Interest tax in banks is around 10% you can pack your car anywhere (even double park sef) and if anybody try you, call police for am. There are no speed limits in naija, the only speed limits here is the almighty potholes. You can use any amenity free of charge, if you know how to, I know people who have never paid light bill, but they enjoy light everyday. You can build ten houses and fill them with tenants, collect rents and chop everymonth no problem. (most landlords dont know anything called property tax) 1 Like |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by buzugee(m): 12:50am On Nov 22, 2010 |
footreja:gambia is not set in stone. if i can get somewhere in naija with low population density then i am in there like swimwear |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by buzugee(m): 12:53am On Nov 22, 2010 |
ada24:ahhh i feel ya my sister. actually this insulting thing wasnt started by me. but i figured ? hey if they wanna play dirty ? its all good with me. i can roll that way too. i am versatile. i slang it however you want it. just call me the mailman. i deliver whatever you post |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by buzugee(m): 12:57am On Nov 22, 2010 |
invisible!:bruh ? na the bondage we find ourself inside for here sha if you sneeze sef, they will tax you if they can get away with it i concur with you. i hope our leaders stay ignorant to all those taxes. freedom is priceless 1 Like |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by chiogo(f): 1:05am On Nov 22, 2010 |
Topics like this always get the insecure ones riled up. Abeg live and let live. Are there people who live better lives in Naija than some in the U.S. do? Yes. Are there people who lived worse lives than they're now doing abroad? Yes. Different people have different experiences so, stop with the assumptions. As for those ranting about contributing to the motherland. I just wanna know how exactly you're contributing positively just by choosing to stay back. The same corrupt government is still 'leading' so what gives? Some people have actually come to a realization that they're not currently in a situation to contribute much to Nigeria because they're young and still in school. Therefore, they chose to move abroad(U.S., Europe, etc) where there are more opportunities, get a good education, return, and contribute positively to the country. Do I miss Naija? Yes. But I don't regret moving (have my family with me so it's all gravy), If anything, the country has gotten worse than it was when I left, which even reinforces why there are no regrets. Do I plan to go back in the future? yes, but not anytime soon, . not until I'm established in my career and able to invest my skills into helping Nigeria. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by gestapo(f): 1:11am On Nov 22, 2010 |
ada24: You are still being ridiculous and this shows you know nada, see yourself again, interest paid on current account is a plus and what Buzugee was talking about was money being deducted, not added on, so why did you feel the need to bring interest paid on current account into the mix, IF NOT AGAIN FOR THE FACT THAT YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO LET PEOPLE ASSUME YOU KNOW SOMETHING when you know jackshit, Mrs JJC to the UK who is always putting her foot in her mouth just cos she wants to claim she has spent 28 years in UK If you don't feel the need to belong as this is the internet, you are best not replying me otherwise it means you are a hyprocrite and what is online affects you. And get off your high horses about people insulting, didn't you call those who didn't agree with your own views too haters, mschewwww |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by Ladyrsky46: 2:08am On Nov 22, 2010 |
It's so funny to see people get all hot and bothered about this. Everyone has diffferent expectations and dreams. Some can't be achieved in Nigeria, some can. What's the big deal if you migrate or you don't? Some people have left Nigeria and the life they are living "abroad" is way better than the life they lived in Nigeria. If they don't mind been "3rd class citizens", who are you to tell them otherwise? For others, it's they probably regret going "abroad". All this aggro certainly won't help them say the truth will it? You just can't conclude that we're all liars because we say we don't regret it. I don't! I sometimes miss Nigeria, but with all my family and friends here- some from primary school in Nigeria, what else do I want to do or who do I want to see in Nigeria? When I feel I have something I can give back to Nigeria and Nigerians in my own little way, I'll be back. Till then, I'll stay right where I am, travel more and just enjoy life. It's way too short to regret any decision I've. Not that I regret this particular one. All the insults and shall I say some posts here that are bordering almost on jealousy in here is WOW. Relax! It's one world. We're all citizens of the world. We're free to move around. Hop from one country to another. You thoroughly dislike some countries, you love some, you live an awful life and have bad experiences in some, you live an amazing one in another, Kini big deal? Stop the too much grammar and insults. It sure won't change anything. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by ada24: 2:15am On Nov 22, 2010 |
cyber stalking at its best - my friend if u feel that i am lying about spending the majority of my life in the Uk does that stop u eating breakfast in the morning - yes i will respond cos i don't get ur point - there has been 32 pages on this topic and ur coming on here to attack me cos u think i want t belong or pretend that I like in the UK. What the hell is so special about this country - yeah its home to me but it aint all that, just like nigeria aint all that. u now want to pick up on a tecnicallity of interest on a credit balance that is finance 101. i think buzz was talking about tax deducted on gross credit interest (gosh must everything be broken down for petes sake). honestly u must be one of those people that was attacking me from when i was asking about the travelling question months ago and here u are still getting annoyed with me about a 4 month old topic - let me be a JJC to the UK if that is what makes u sleep better at night, I mean the fact that u don't believe me does not affect my life at all so keep thinking I am lying and even if I am, so? If u want keep throwing insults at me I can clearly see u have something against me, there are many people on here that pass comments that I don't agree with but I live and let live not everyone will be my cup of tea or have the same mindset as me. see what insomnia is causing me. KMT |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by gestapo(f): 2:29am On Nov 22, 2010 |
ada24: You think you are smart and want to narrow this down to i attacked you on finance 101 technicality, how about me telling you to zip it and stop your sly comments and digs and harping on why the thread keeps going on You don't take online serious huh yet you got your knickers in a twist hyprocrite. Again what does gross credit interest which is what the bank pays a customer have to do with tax that Buzugee mentioned Mrs i must belong by force My friend nobody attacked you as you have beenn claiming, some people posted that you should stop lying whilst some just read the thread to observe, abi your brain is too thick to realise that it is not everyone that posts on threads hence you see statistics like 56 posts/1345 views, abeg waka pass from my front mrs hyporocrite You wan claim say na comment you dey pass yet you keep coming back to call people bitter haters, mschewwww |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by ada24: 2:36am On Nov 22, 2010 |
gestapo: YAWN |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by gestapo(f): 2:40am On Nov 22, 2010 |
ada24: yeah, and you had to come back to yawn, indeed wharreva plonker |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by ada24: 2:45am On Nov 22, 2010 |
double yawn, yes i am indeed a double plonker. YAWN, |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by gestapo(f): 3:02am On Nov 22, 2010 |
ada24: Mz hyprocrite who can't see the wood for the trees |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by Rare(m): 6:04am On Nov 22, 2010 |
I like these criteria posted by Oyinda for considering the subject of "regrets": " 1)The age of person at time of immigration. the older you were the less opportunities you may feel are available to you abroad. 2) Length of time abroad. the longer u've been abroad, the more disenchanted you may become and start thinking of coming back home. 3) Position in Naija. If you were rich in naija, it may be better to stay home. That's why politicians and big business men only go abroad for summers and vacations even though many have the option of staying abroad permanently. 4) Success abroad. obviously if you have achieved your dream abroad, then you probably want to remain there." Besides that, why do I get this feeling that contributors on this thread that are in Nigeria get this feeling of joy when they read about Nigerians abroad suffering. Then comes the ever-endless tales of Nigerians abroad being cleaners/janitors, menial jobs etc. Whilst it is not anybody's dream, these people are actually financially independent, which is something that doesn't come easy in Nigeria. I wish we can come to the state when we can simply appreciate and respect everyone's decision. If you are in Nigeria , enjoy it; if you are abroad, enjoy it. We can channel the energy of home versus abroad arguments into discussions of how we can do collaborative business. If I am abroad, how can I do any collaborative business in Nigeria without trustworthy capable hands resident in Nigeria?. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by Nobody: 8:49am On Nov 22, 2010 |
Actually it's different strokes for different folks. Like I said in my first post, I have no regrets for going overseas. That notwithstanding, I still maintain the notion that it is not all bad with Nigeria. Guys, I have got friends back home that are doing so well. I do not doubt the fact that jobs are difficult to come by back home, but don't tell me there are no opportunities. Hell no! You have to create these opportunities for yourselves. There are Nigerians doing well overseas and there are still thousands of Nigerians languishing in poverty overseas. If you doubt me, go to the UK and US. I have been opportuned to school and work in the UK as well as in France and Asia and I know a lot of our brothers that are not doing well overseas, they all want to come back home but are ashamed of what folks back home will say. You see in Nigeria we have this silly mentality that everyone overseas is doing well. How do we solve the Nigerian situation? Dude, I really do not know. The Nigerian case is a serious one, but at the end of the day it is our home. Our only home. So to all those Nigerians overseas that keep bashing Nigeria, I say shame on you. You are abandoning your country and expect the White man to accept you in a foreign land? Hell no! you will always remain a second class citizen (even if you hold the country's passport). I am appalled at the response of some guys in this forum with regards the situation in Nigeria. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Talking down on your country. Yes, we agree Nigeria is in a mess but we can change it. We are just 50 years old, if you read history books you will find out the US and UK where no better at that age. These trying times will pass, I assure you. The wind of change has started already. I know I will receive some bashing (as usual) for this post, bring it on. You guys may claim having lived in the UK and US for over 10 - 15 years, I do not doubt this. I too have schooled in the UK, worked in the UK, France, Malaysia, Singapore and presently the Middle East (because of the nature of my job), so I know what I am saying. I will have it no other way, I have the opportunity of continuing earning good money and living in the Middle East for the next 5 years but hell no! I am going back home. Ol' boy there is fun in Nigeria. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by Rare(m): 9:36am On Nov 22, 2010 |
mikeujoel: @mikeujoel, Decisions like yours are better made after first-hand experiences. You have had a lot of exposure, and made money, and are well-positioned to fit back into Nigeria to lead a decent life & make some impact however little, having satisfied your dreams. I'm sure you wouldn't have felt like a hurried return after merely your first year out of Nigeria or when you were still yearning more exposure. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by AjanleKoko: 10:55am On Nov 22, 2010 |
invisible!: You obviously don't live in Lagos or Abuja, don't own property in any choice area, and only buy cars from Cotonou. That's why you can say all of this. Try to build a house in Lekki or in Lagos Mainland, or in Abuja metropolis (magodo etc) and see if the government won't come and do the valuation and slap you with the appropriate CGT. Try to import a car through Lagos port, and see if you can dodge the customs duty. This theory of yours only works for people in Mowe. In Lagos, Alausa will do the valuation by themselves. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by martinosi: 11:53am On Nov 22, 2010 |
cap28: Why is that people refuse to research and validate things before they talk? CAP28 has just stated the fact as they are now and people just talk blindly, |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by martinosi: 12:09pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
cap28: Most Nigerians are always in denial about their situation and they dont what to face the blunt reality of how to change it! But they are quick to complain when non-nigerians especially Indians come in and see loop holes and exploit it economically. Take for instance the food/agricultural products industry. Indians are now almost monopolising the export of these products and all the so called nigerian players in the industry are crying foul and want govt subsidy to help their Agric business! such lazy baffons! Are indians asking for Govt Subsidy Are indians even receiving support from their home country? Where are the Indians getting the financing to export these millions of Dollars worth of Goods? Does indian man have two heads or one? Who should we question or ask for the reason why Indians are controlling this Agric Export Industry now Go ask your Nigerian Bankers, |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by debosky(m): 12:19pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
tensor777: Thank you for pointing out your argument style is more suited to the beer parlour. You were having a separate discussion with cap, while I was having one with buzugee. . . how can I have quoted out of context when buzugee claimed that buzugee: What other 'context' can there be to a claim that the government is NOT collecting anything? You need to stop jumping about and focus on the discussion you're having. If you can't bear arguments which seek to get clarity on claims being made, then kindly bypass my posts, mr official perceiver of argument styles.
Again, I never debated this with you - while some people might not be paying taxes, to those paying taxes (many residents of cities like Lagos and all the civil servant state capitals and Abuja) it does matter that your paycheck is deducted without commensurate benefits, or the local council fees paid without any services in return.
Buzugee said so - he said, 'govt is not collecting anything from anybody'. Or did you fail to read that? It is the height of foolishness to wave away any collections from individuals (no matter how small) by the government and say because it is 'minuscule' then you can forget about holding them accountable as Buzugee claims. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by martinosi: 12:55pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
cap28: ^^^^^^^ THE PART IN BOLD BY CAP28 IS SOO PRICELSS LOL Lawwd have mercy the way CAP28 tears you guys apart is soo PRICELESS!!!, I just enjoy reading his post as that what i do most on Nairaland now since most people here talk blindly. I Just want to say "Congrats to the Zenith Bank Director" who has signed up to nairaland and has promised to contribute after i had a chat with him when we met in Nigeria in August" I told him to read CAP28 post and he say he is very impressed and somewhat suprised that a Nigerian like CAP28 exist that understands the Real issues facing Nigeria, |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by martinosi: 1:15pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
cap28: Thanks for the reply Cap28. I guessed as much that we are thinking along the same lines in regards to the Presidential election in Nigerian Next year. GEJ looks like the safest option for "the West" to endore as he seems to be more likely not to rock the boat and IBB is too risky because if he get in office the thought of Anarchy against him would not be acceptable by Major International Investors ie UK, usa and China. That would spoil "the so called" stableness since 1999 in Nigeria. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by invisible2(m): 2:12pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
AjanleKoko: Certainly, I don't own anything in Lagos or Abuja, but in some other state capitals. and its clear only a little % of people do. The vast majority lives in other states and enjoy themselves. Mowe is fine, and will rival Lagos on day. My cars come in through Lagos, there are dealers that pay clearing charges, but I just collect and drive away. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by OvieE: 3:40pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
I really hate to come back to this topic but just to be frank and straight with Buzugee; u are the most ignorant and person on this thread. Why defend a nation you have not business relocating to in the near future. I could have continue to support Cap28 but he is just doing fine taking you and invisible down. Bravo to Cap28. Buzugee, you state of mind is out of touch with your brain. You are the most confused man who ever hang around white -bitches- and fucck them, and don't know what to do. You have no right defending Nigeria, its leaders and the state Nigeria is. invisible, why do you continue to support Buzugee? If he had a plan that he will go Nigeria to relocate instead of Gambia is a different thing. Buzugee is stabbing you in the back and you think he in the right state of mind because he writes useless things about Nigeria. Buzugee, on one of your post, you describe how people who retire in USA goes to other countries to stay because of cost of living. You also made this remark about British who retire goes to south Africa and co. What makes you different from this people you categorite? Your future plan is Gambia. Why don't you stay in England or perhaps Nigeria? You states of mind is low and confused. You talk about others knowing you are no different. @ Buzugee, you view about Nigeria is just a shallow minded. Many people read this things. Anyone who read your posts and see what you wrote about Nigeria yet you little confused mind is in Gambia, no one will take you seriously. This is the reason you will continue to have problem with Cap28, me and others. I see you as mentally challenge person and if you are the only black person in you office, is time you look elsewhere but don't come here to continue to deceive people about Nigeria and future plans. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by OvieE: 3:57pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
[/quote][quote author=invisible! link=topic=549292.msg7190684#msg7190684 date=1290381938] You should be happy for your useless leaders not collecting tax because the money would still ending in their pockets. Which amenity are you talking. the two hours electricity a week or what? I am waiting. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by sholaeco(m): 4:41pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
pls watch http://media.causes.com/872954?p_id=154194912&%3Bs=fb_feed&ref=nf |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by cap28: 4:42pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
martinosi: Hey bro thanks for your comments - im going to finish watching those your links on william engdahl, you know the funny thing is that these american and european political commentators and analysts have a much more indepth understanding of why nigeria is in the mess that its in because many of them are privy to information that is beyond the reach of many people. They are also in a position to see the bigger picture. When you are part of a superpower your view on world issues is clearer and more precise than everyone else's. my favourite political commentators are Michael Parenti (former professor of political science at Yale) Noam Chomsky (linguist and poltical scientist) these two are some of the most unbiased and outstanding academics in the US. Even when i discuss with people who are interested in politics here in the west they seem to be so much more clued up about the world compared to our own people, they understand what is going on, obviously not all of them but the ones who are genuinely interested in politics show a much more comprehensive understanding of what is actually going on. my favourite poltical analyst is Michael Parenti - former professor of poltical science at Yale University: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Parenti http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Parenti/World_Safe_Hypocrisy_MP.html He is an outstanding political analyst by the way which of my posts was the zenith bank guy impressed with? anyway look forward to speaking soon, im gonna watch those links and get back to you. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by buzugee(m): 6:12pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
martinosi:whats that brown stain on your upper lip dude ? oops its from kissing cap28's butt so hard. get a tissue paper and wipe that stain you brown nosing azz nicca. this nicca is so far up cap28,s butt, all i can see is the sole of his shoes |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by buzugee(m): 6:19pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
OvieE:here comes this mental midget trying to grandiose again. your opinion is best left in the commode |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by OvieE: 7:55pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
buzugee: A moronic person deserved to be stone to death. |
Re: Do You Regret Moving Abroad? by invisible2(m): 9:57pm On Nov 22, 2010 |
OvieE: Under Goodluck, light condition has improved tremendously, I now have an average of 20 hours light per day and pay only N945.00 as monthly charge for the entire houses, sometimes I feel guilty of cheating the govt! |
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