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Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by cococandy(f): 1:50am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Beautyaddy: Job that can still be provided without the huge tax breaks. The middle class has always funded the lower and higher class. That’s a good reason to not make it worse than it already is. Very soon there will be no middle class left 3 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by DexterousOne(m): 1:51am On Jan 24, 2020 |
salford1: EXACTLY 3 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by Nobody: 1:51am On Jan 24, 2020 |
salford1: I strongly believe there will be tax cut. UK carry eu wahala for head. So many freeloaders here all in the name of eu countries. Them dey born anyhow and na so govt dey feed them.and their children if they come up with one useless excuse. And if it happens, more vacancies, I even read it will affect housing too. Folks who want to mortgage are lurking around to see if it will happen. House here is outrageous. I will use the money and build mansions in Nigeria, walai Haaaa , north Korea or south is like naija to me o. I can speak their language a bit and once u can identify with them, u are welcome. Rocket man has softened. Not like his late dad so we will be good friends 3 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by Beautyaddy: 1:51am On Jan 24, 2020 |
salford1: Correct. But China does allow dual Citizenship so how do those US Citizenship kids born from Chinese Citizen parents cope living in China 2 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by midnighter(f): 1:53am On Jan 24, 2020 |
joepepsy: Dont mind them. Even people who went abroad would rather be in Nigeria, if conditions were favourable 3 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by cococandy(f): 1:54am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Yet some other first world countries have been managing to do this without killing off its middle class. We can do better honestly. Their intentions are shady anyways and it’s not primarily about fear of capital flight. sassysure: 3 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by Sprumbaba: 1:57am On Jan 24, 2020 |
RichDad1: Illegal immigrants |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by Beautyaddy: 1:59am On Jan 24, 2020 |
cococandy: Those tax breaks was given to help those companies avoid moving their Companies to Countries that have very low taxes. Most of those Companies laid-off workers when they needed to move out of the US. And as a result the availability for jobs was not as surplus it is now with the current tax break. 1 Like |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by genq(m): 2:01am On Jan 24, 2020 |
DexterousOne: Amen! 1 Like |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by salford1: 2:03am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Beautyaddy:I have no idea how they cope. Interestingly they set up giant billboards in China advertising US and Canadian passports to future and expectants mothers. Canada has been on their case for a while. There was a documentary about it just last week or so. Ironically, the member of parliament (Alice Wong) leading the campaign against birth tourism in Canada is a Chinese immigrants herself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MdgushuK4 1 Like |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by Nobody: 2:06am On Jan 24, 2020 |
cococandy:That is what I'm saying na. Mama Eliza has killed us The remaining, council tax will collect. About the capital flight i spoke from the economics point of view. See what capital flight plunged Nigeria into? If not for folks in diaspora, Zimbabwe would have been better. Some USA companies relocated cos of tax. Some were on the verge of relocating b4 that drastic law was made. At the end of the day even with the increase in middle class tax, they still pay collectively higher than what the middle class summed together pays. So it's a necessary evil but will not tarry long. USA went on recession and haven't recovered yet, somebody gat to bear the blunt somewhere. That's what they want to replicate in Nigeria but Nigeria don't have any working system. So the middleman in our case bears it all We go survive las las 1 Like |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by Yankee101: 2:08am On Jan 24, 2020 |
AZeD1: $1m now |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by cococandy(f): 2:09am On Jan 24, 2020 |
So....we reward greed. At the expense of the masses. If they are giving tax breaks, then they should give it to everyone. But no. Because that money has to come from somewhere. Unfortunately it’s not coming from Mr $$$ who definitely doesn’t need a 6th island. Or another mountain in the alpines. It’s coming from my breaking back so that they will keep jobs in the country. Yet somehow, before his tax reform, the economy was growing fast and unemployment rate was drastically reducing. Why did anything have to change for the worse at that time? Was there any justification at that time for it except to reward his republican billionaire friends? And still they go to China to manufacture. Despite the tax breaks. Greed can not be satisfied no matter what you do. With the way unbridled capitalism is going, They will keep taking from the middle class until there’s no middle class left. Only the poor and the ultra rich. Then either they kill off the poor to keep them subdued or the poor will eat them for sustenance. I won’t be alive then Beautyaddy: 6 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by DexterousOne(m): 2:09am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Beautyaddy: If they move out of the country They should also sell their products out of the USA too Or bring it and pay high fees. The govt have been sucking up to yhrde grerfu corporations for decades that they have become spoilt and entitled Give them incentives But they have to pay their fair share of tax Even tho it should not be excessive You can also give them tax breaks on condition they expand investment and create even more jobs or do CSR (which btw the corporations are not doing) We cannot continue to give them.breaks upon breaks, and breaking the middle class backs to cover up for the shortfall This cromy capitalism greed must be destroyed kpata kpata kpata |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by midnighter(f): 2:10am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Gerrard59: Perfect. People always brush over the difference between the working, middle and upper-classes in these threads and it makes the whole discussion meaningless. What exactly are you "staying to develop" when your education, training and general expectation for life as an adult are drastically different from what you are experiencing in reality? Is a teacher or a nurse supposed to be struggling to eat? So why wont they swarm the airport like locusts Thats what people dont understand. If you want the educated, middle class majority to stay and develop the place, you have to make sure that at the very least, their lives wont be a living hell. "Work hard kids, study hard...be disciplined...one day you'll be a lawyer....a doctor...and...." And you wont have running water, constant electricity, decent wages or be able to walk down street without some haggard, disgusting fellow appearing to call himself a "Police officer" (who, by the way, is supposed to be part of that trained middle class) harassing you for N20 and waving his loaded gun. Does it make sense To anybody...? 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by DexterousOne(m): 2:10am On Jan 24, 2020 |
cococandy: @Coco EXACTLY You just typed and submitted what I was about to type 1 Like |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by Nobody: 2:11am On Jan 24, 2020 |
salford1:These chinco are everywhere. Jeez! See you Naija man! U have already started planning. Don't worry,we dey come 2 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by cococandy(f): 2:13am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Actually Obama brought us out of the recession and the economy was growing with jobs growing as well. The economy is still growing now and jobs have not declined (yet ) Trump didn’t need to have a tax reform. He just hates anything that has Obama’s name on it. he’s trying to undo all Obama did. They were great how they were. Things aren’t bad now either except that my taxes went up and my refund went down. There are rumors of increase in minimum wage this year. Let’s watch and see if that’s going to be a good thing. sassysure: 4 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by DexterousOne(m): 2:14am On Jan 24, 2020 |
midnighter: You have spoken well |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by Nobody: 2:17am On Jan 24, 2020 |
cococandy:Somebody dey vex o. It will not tally. It's a necessary evil needed to make dollar stronger. Capital flight is the worst enemy of any administrator. Presidents can do anything to stop that. When companies move, people are laid off, it will still affect the economy negatively. Mtn did that in Nigeria. Govt was warned and see. When it has plunged Nigeria into abyss, the now know they have to squash the useless tariff. We may never recover in the next 20yrs. 2 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by DexterousOne(m): 2:19am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Beautyaddy: If they want to move out They should remain out and sell their products there Or bring it to the USA and pay the appropriate levies (which btw will still be commensurate to the tax you are running away from ) America has the biggest market in the world and can use that as leverage against greedy corporation's But will they? Do they have the will? Trickle down economics is a sham and a scam I have an economics background and I know this for sure Trickle diwn economics is just an euphemism for greed Trump just wanted to make cronies richer (Afteralk his cabinet is a cabinet of the super rich) DasAll 4 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by salford1: 2:19am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Beautyaddy:One of the problems with trickle down economics aka cutting tax for big businesses/the wealthy is that the government would still get that tax income from somewhere. This would likely be at the back of the working class. It's not uncommon to see a rise in school fees, property or council tax, longer wait times at the hospitals, reduction of wages of teachers/healthcare workers, decaying infrastructures and hospitals etc. So the middle class end up paying more for services. 3 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by Nobody: 2:21am On Jan 24, 2020 |
cococandy:A country may come out of recession but it take yrs to recover from it. Nigeria don come out na Have we recovered. The thing is this, don't ever go into one. 1 Like |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by DexterousOne(m): 2:23am On Jan 24, 2020 |
salford1: Exactly The working class paying for the greed of the super rich 1 Like |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by genq(m): 2:26am On Jan 24, 2020 |
cooltola: Dude stop deceiving yourself You call this scorching heat good weather? Not feeling out of place? In this country where NOTHING works? I love how you conveniently ignored the constant feeling of frustration when trying to get anything done is this hell hole, oppression from SARS etc.. No racism? I guess you've never witnessed or experienced tribalism before. Getting to see family? This is the most overrated sh!t! How many people actually enjoy the company of their nosy, dramatic extended family? Look take me abroad, give me a chocolate goddess and 3 kids and il be the happiest man alive! 10 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by linearity: 2:31am On Jan 24, 2020 |
AZeD1: You don’t need all that money, you can still beat the system normally! Immediately you miss your period, just file fo visitor’s visa if you qualify and nothing is showing on your tummy yet. If you are given the visa, just leave even if you are only a few weeks or days pregnant, at POE they will stamp you in with the usual 6 months visa, at the 4th month of your stay file form I539 to extend your stay for another 6 months. After you give birth make sure to visit the Whitehouse and take a picture with your baby there as a poke to their collective ignorance. 2 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by Nobody: 2:32am On Jan 24, 2020 |
salford1:But the truth is this, reduction or no reduction, they still pay higher than the rest yet they are the smallest %age But, Canada is in trouble. No eu country do birth tourism. US don join. I think Canada, Brazil, Australia etc. Since Canada call US their big brother, will they sustain this for a long time? 1 Like |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by pacespot(m): 2:34am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Nice one, this is the first move Trump would make that I will applaud. Anchor babies must be stopped. How can you visit a country simply because you are going there to give birth and allow you your new born to claim the citizenship, you are teaching your child how to commit a fraud right from the womb |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by homirefacuny(m): 2:35am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Gerrard59: You got the words from my mouth. Absolutely amazing way to put it. God bless you man!! |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by genq(m): 2:35am On Jan 24, 2020 |
slyfoxxjoe: In a way you have a point, but bro, Nigeria cannot be fixed 1 Like |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by cococandy(f): 2:35am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Exactly. They keep giving them breaks with little to no regulations to make it worthwhile for the average citizens. This should be about us, shouldn’t it? They should have a job quota that they are required to provide with each million or billion they get. What do they pay their employees to keep them living a decent lifestyle (I’m not talking minimum wage). What are their maternity and paternity leave requirements? Sick leave? Etc Corporations are requiring their workers to do more and more with less and less even with all the money they are getting from govt. Workers are paying these exorbitant taxes to keep jobs in the country and also breaking their backs to maximize profit for the corporations without adequate staffing to make the job easy on the workers or the incentives that should come from the extra money they are getting in tax breaks. For example, I work in a hospital. There’s a giant corporation buying up a lot of the hospitals in the country. They are giving this company so much monopoly it sickens me. I moved from the west coast last year and encountered a different (actually worse ) system where I am now. What would you know though, this company has bought its way all the way up from the west coast hospitals in its wake and is now here . They have bought the new hospital that I’m working at. Hello old friend! When one company holds that much power, it’s bound to be abused no questions asked DexterousOne: 5 Likes |
Re: Birth Tourism: US Block Visas For Pregnant Women Visiting To Give Birth by Nobody: 2:37am On Jan 24, 2020 |
DexterousOne:Oga all this story will not change the basic point I am making that the more Nigerians that keep running abroad and lamenting from afar instead of coming back and playing their own little part in improving the country, the more things are going to remain the same for us. I am well travelled too and have two degrees from the U.K. were I lived for 7 years before returning willingly to Nigeria because no corrupt political establishment is going to turn me into refugee in another mans country. We will make it work here or we die here. It’s our country to defend. Sowore you speak of left His comfortable life in the U.S to try and spark a revolution in Nigeria which led to his arrest and harassment by the government..what he did went a long way in reorienting and enlightening our youth. so did Kalu and many other activists. More and more foreign trained entrepreneurs I know are coming back to Nigeria to play their part in at least moving the private sector forward since government cannot help. These are the little gestures I am talking about that if we all play our little part then with time, things will improve. Instead of running to foreign countries then lamenting when those countries no longer want you. We can’t keep waiting for some politician to save us. We have to make it happen ourselves. 6 Likes 1 Share |
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