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God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by Azazeal007: 7:34am On Mar 15, 2020 |
The God of the old testaments seems to be warlike, aggressive towards enemy, tough and ready to fight for you if you obey is laws. He is very powerful and proud , he accepts animal sacrifices as atonement for sins and purification. He never deserts is people during battle, He loves them but they deviate from his teachings, so he punish them severely until they repent. This God is quick to act if called upon he speaks through the likes of Moses Abraham, Elijah, Enoch, Joshua, Samuel e.t.c On the other hand the God of the new testament his kind and cool, patient, peaceful and forgiving God. Accepts worship and praises, prayers and fasting as atonement for sins but not animal sacrifices. He is very slow to anger and act preaches by speech and not with sword. He speaks through the likes of John the baptist, Jesus of nazareth, Paul the apostle, st Peter , st John e.t.c The big question remains are they the same God or have the God of the old testament become more civil in his dealings? Why is God so angry in the Old Testament and so loving in the New? 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by AntiChristian: 7:45am On Mar 15, 2020 |
The God of the OT was brutal. In the NT he became meek since he's now a man God. 1 Like |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by Osasnidas(m): 7:53am On Mar 15, 2020 |
Still the same God....(He never Changed) The old testament prophets and priest were humans too Then came Jesus But rules of engagement changed with Christ becoming the high priest... I guess he is constantly toning down God's anger on us and reminding HIm of his sacrifice on the cross(one thing that God didn't even want to look by turning his back) while constantly giving us time to repent.. There is a passage that says God is constantly angry with the wicked everyday And another says, that he has no joy when the wicked die, and that he wishes that everyone should come to repentance... God is still God.. but his Authority and Power is Now with Christ, the prince of peace, and he is only answerable to Jehovah which is God and Remember Christians pray in the name of Jesus. 1 Like |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by Azazeal007: 8:15am On Mar 15, 2020 |
Osasnidas:what about the sacrifices? |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by olarwhumy6(f): 8:31am On Mar 15, 2020 |
Azazeal007:what animal sacrifice can be as great as Jesus blood(sacrifice) on the cross of calvary.. Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice and he has paid the price for all. 3 Likes |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by Ehiscotch(m): 8:33am On Mar 15, 2020 |
Azazeal007: If you read the book of Isaiah, you would see that God doesn't delight in sacrifices or fasting but rather that men exude love to one another and to him — which are the two greatest commandments. God has never changed; the God of the old is still the God of the new. The Lord Jesus has come to atone for our sins on the cross, so when the wrath of God would easily be kindled on man — even if that wrath is technically slow — the death of his son pacifies him. There were many times God would pronounce judgement on the inhabitants of the earth but the prophets of old would intercede and God would repent of it but now the blood of Jesus is constantly intervening for us. Which is why Jesus is the only Way to God. |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by alBHAGDADI: 8:39am On Mar 15, 2020 |
It is still the same God. God appears toygh in the Old Testament for a reason which is especially for we existing today. He used the people of Old as an example of what he will do to we today if we toed the same path as they. 1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. God who was tough then is still tough today, just pray you don't experience his anger. If you really examine the Old Testament, you will see that it is not everyday he exercises his anger on mankind. But when you read the passages he did exercise his anger, you will think he did it everyday. Do you really think he's not punishing the wicked and disobedient today? He is. If books were to be written about all those he has punished in our time, you will conclude that he's still the same God. As for animal sacrifices, those sacrifices represented Jesus. When you sacrifice a lamb, the blood pays for your sins. The lamb was symbolic of Jesus who is said to be the Holy Lamb. He died and his blood pays for our sins. Even your second picture says it all. The people in the Old Testament looked forward to Jesus and the cross while we today look back at the cross and the event. They looked forward by sacrificing animals as a picture of what was to happen. We look back at the event which has happened, that's why we don't have to sacrifice animals because Jesus has been sacrificed once and for all. Malachi 3:6 (KJV) For I am the LORD , I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by urchcoded(m): 8:40am On Mar 15, 2020 |
Of course na the same God that wiped out the full human race, killed all the firstborns in a country, wiped out a city accepted someone's daughter as a sacrifice, had no problems with slavery, yeah he's the same God dat became all caring and didn't allow a certain adulterer to be stoned to death. He loves u unconditionally but under certain conditions. His name is Jesus he is his father and he is his own son. 1 Like |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by Ehiscotch(m): 8:41am On Mar 15, 2020 |
And the issue of sacrifice is what we constantly admonish contemporary Christians about. While faith without work is dead, tithing is still the modern day sacrifice. God doesn't delight in your tithing or your giving to church; It's only an extension of your faith. He delights in weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy and faith. I am not saying don't pay your tithes, but don't think that is what God primarily will see and bless you for God knows your heart. |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by Ehiscotch(m): 8:46am On Mar 15, 2020 |
urchcoded: Guy, stop joining the bandwagon for what you know little or nothing about. And also try to look up what "full human race" means. God gives and he takes as he wills, who is man to question God. He has the right to take his creation when he wills. If only your kind would just open their minds to God and read the bible. But then again, wisdom is far from many. |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by urchcoded(m): 9:05am On Mar 15, 2020 |
Ok full human race with exception of Noah and his family. Dats all dat need to be corrected. As for questioning God? The truth is nobody can do dat. I'm not questioning him of course he does what he pleases. I mean nobody can question God because we can't find him nowhere in the first place 1 Like |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by urchcoded(m): 9:08am On Mar 15, 2020 |
Ehiscotch:Also I would like to know why the Bible is the only book u feel I should read, why u hastily feel the Koran and oda religious books are not worth reading, it's almost like u are saying they are all fictious except the Bible. What a coincidence |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by Osasnidas(m): 9:18am On Mar 15, 2020 |
Azazeal007: Sacrifices are in acts and deeds now... Not in killing of animals... |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by UceeGod: 2:26pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
God is still the same in PRINCIPLES. The LORD God revealed to us through Christ is still the YAHWEH Adonai of the Old Testament. When you truly understand WHO and WHAT Christ is today, then you'll be able to comprehend the God of the Old Testament with all the wars, killings, sacrifices and laws as symbols pointing forward to the real things in the New Testament. Every command God gave in the Old Testament to kill was a righteous judgement, justified and represents something in the New Testament. We in this New Covenant have so much to learn from the wars, sacrifices and laws of the Old Testament. Moreover, when reading and studying the Bible, especially the Old Testament, don't assume the world was everything like we have it now. Cultures and geographical locations also played a huge role in human activities then very much unlike how we do now. |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by sonmvayina(m): 2:42pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
Different because they are two different religions.. The Jews wrote the tanakh for their religion called Judaism.. The Romans /Greeks came later and super glued their bull shiit story about a dying God to the Jewish scriptures to deceive the gullible... God promised the Jews a Messiah that will deliver them from their enemies NEVER did he say the had to believe in the Messiah to be saved.. Those hogwash are Roman creation.. 1 Like |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by donnie(m): 3:04pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
Azazeal007: YAHUAH is the same, he changeth not. Christians may want to replace him with their white idol (like the one OP used) called Jesus who promotes lawlessness but we are in judgement time now, and YAH is not smiling. He has begun to pour out his anger upon the earth. |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by Azazeal007: 4:27pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
sonmvayina:you are making sense here but this our blind Christian brothers and sisters wont admit 4 Likes |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by sonmvayina(m): 4:53pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
donnie: There is only one God and one power in the Universe.. It is the name that is different.. The God the Jews worship and call Hashem (not yaweh, yaweh is one of the sons of Enlil,) is the same God Yoruba call Eledumare or olodumare is the same that igbos call CHUKWU.. Etc, the stories you read in the Bible are meant to teach us spiritual truth, the youubas have theirs the igbos have theirs... You are supposed to read or listen to them and learn the hidden messages in the.. They are not historical or actual events.. End of the day we are all gods just having a human experience.. |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by donnie(m): 5:02pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
sonmvayina: I was wondering what spirit you were speaking by when you said YAHUAH the name he wrote with his own finger on stone tablets is not his name. I gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking you were just referring to language, until I read your last few sentences where you suggest that the events of the bible aren't actual events. Meaning it's a book of myths and stories. Thank you, but heaven and earth shall pass away, not one dot of the Torah shall pass. And YAHUAH will in these last days show himself as the God of Judgement. |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by sonmvayina(m): 5:14pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
donnie: You are not understanding me, the God of the Jews is the same as God of the igbos, is the same as God of the Yoruba.. Can you paste a screen short of the tablet that God wrote his name?.. Judgement is for the living never for the dead... Death acquit you of sin.. When we die our spirits return back to God and becomes one with God.. Our body return to the earth where it was taken... Ecclessiatics 12 :7.. Read the whole of Ezekiel 18 for clarification... The new testament is Roman /Greeks propaganda for control.. |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by sulasa07(m): 5:23pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
Azazeal007:How can they be the same when old testament called the believers Jews while new testament called believers Christians. The way to GOD is not like an equation that can be solved using 3 to 4 methods,it's a one way.The Straight Path. 1 Like |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by MuttleyLaff: 5:57pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
Azazeal007:"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever" - Hebrews 13:8 God, as much and/or just as Jesus, is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow and forever. God in the OT, is the same in the NT. Azazeal007:God wasnt necessarily angry in OT. God, of course, was so tough love in OT, lol but then so loving in NT, lol. What the heart knows today, the head will understand tomorrow. Your earthly parents relate with you differently now that you've come of age than when you were growing up, isnt it, lol? AntiChristian:Smh. sonmvayina:You are being saved from destruction. That is the bigger picture you arent looking at. donnie:""I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me," - John 10:14 Jesus Christ, who really is Yahushua Ha Mashiach, know His own and His own know Him |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by MuttleyLaff: 5:58pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
sonmvayina:1/ What is the meaning of Hashem? 2/ What is the meaning of Hashem signify and/or import? 3/ What is the meaning of Eledumare or Olodumare, lol? 4/ What is the meaning of Chukwu, lol? 5/ Now, what is the meaning of Yahweh, Yaweh, or YHWH, the tetragrammaton, lol? sonmvayina:There is a difference in being god(s) and in being God, let that sink in |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by donnie(m): 6:04pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
sonmvayina: Like you are not aware that the Igbo and Yoruba you speak of along with other Bantus of sub-saharan Africa are the very Jews of the scripture who have turned from following YAH and his commandments to idols made by men's hands. YAH's judgment is already upon us. You are hearing these words now and they will serve as a witness. The scriptures were written by our forefathers. They contain the laws that govern this universe. The Europeans seized the books, whitewashed them, and used to teach us a gospel based on white supremacy. But the Spirit is clearing things up now. 2 Likes |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by sonmvayina(m): 7:09pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Lol.. In addition to being stupid, you are also hilarious.. What a wonderful combination.. My name is Sonmuayina are you still going to ask me what it means?.. I am going to answer 4 because I am igbo, but you can interpolate to get the other answers. CHUKWU simply means great creator or something along those lines.. They are all names of the creator in different languages.. The Jews don't call the name of the creator, the rather use the word Lord or Lord God.. Because it was forbidden to do so, only used in prayers inside the temple.. |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by sonmvayina(m): 7:12pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Who is destroying me?... So God the Father wants to destroy me, but God the son want to save me.. And these two are one dude... My guy borrow sense.. |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by sonmvayina(m): 7:14pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
donnie: It was written by the Jews, but your comment does give credence to my post.. There is only one God, just the nomenclature that is different... |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by sonmvayina(m): 7:16pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: What is the difference between God and god?.. Please do tell.. They both sound the same way |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by donnie(m): 7:56pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
sonmvayina: Our people knew and called upon the supreme creator of the universe even before the colonialists came. But you must understand that we sinned, and we were expelled from our land and the curses continue to this day. What we need now is for our people to return to where we fell from, and not to glory in those same things that brought us punishment and judgment. Deuteronomy 4 25 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of YAHUAH thy ELOHIYM, to provoke him to anger: 27 And YAHUAH shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither YAHUAH shall lead you. 28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. 29 But if from thence thou shalt seek YAHUAH thy ELOHIYM, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. 1 Like |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by Nobody: 8:30pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
It is the same God! In the Old Testament he dealt only with just one nation as his special possession, but in the New Testament he deals with those who have faith in him as he did with Israel! So those who believe in him now are serving as spiritual Israelites to him, that's why he will not support any nation against another now since his Worshipers (those who believe/trust in him) are found in all the race who had the opportunity of hearing about him! The sacrifice was to impress in the minds of natural Israelites that there must be a sacrifice to remove sin, Jesus is the sacrificial lamb God presented just as he often ask Israelites to present the best of their lifestock as a sacrifice. He will still be brutal once again but that's when he's satisfied with the preaching and teaching of his loyal servants who are zealously working with him to fish out his lost sheep (obedient humans) in the midst of this crooked generation, he promised to send his angels down to EXTERMINATE all those opposing his standards, {Luke 19:27} but before then the warning must go round as a witness against all the nations of the earth. Matthew 24:14 |
Re: God Of The Old And New Testaments Are They The Same? by MuttleyLaff: 8:32pm On Mar 15, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Oh poor you, that you really dont know the difference between God and god. No wonder you're more confused than a fart let loose on the production floor of a fan making factory, tsk, tsk, tsk Anyway, this is a very good question, and one such that I have really and truly loved asking other people. I love asking the question, because, it gives a gauge of knowing what they know about that word, God. sonmvayina, I am not going to jump to defining the word God, without first, laying the groundwork, to pave the way to defining the word God, lol, so to make it is easier, for you and particularly, any interested, to see the road I travelled on to come and/or arrive at this "Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. Their minds are set on earthly things." - Philippians 3:19 sonmvayina, I think I am right to say, we both agree together, that there is only ONE God. There are, of course, many and/or varied gods, as there are human beings, thats talking of someone like you and every other human being, who naturally are gods. Also, now you yourself for instance, can be classified, as a different kind of god because of how adept you are in the knowledge of spirituality. Moving on, there are human beings/inanimate object/things deified as gods. There is apotheosis or self-deification, as in, meaning, the self elevation to the status of a god so to be worshipped (e.g. Egyptian Pharaohs, Roman Emperors, Shango of the Yoruba mythology, albeit he became god of thunder, lightning and storms after he died, etcetera) There are abstracts, that become gods, when their forces, characteristics and motivations gets a grip on their victims, such that they often end up influenced in unsavoury ways/manners by gods such as the belly/stomach/narcotics/Mammon etcetera. The point, I am making is there the ONE God and there are different types, forms and/or flavors of gods "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’— but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them (i.e. but I did not make Myself known to them by My holy name, Yahweh/Jehovah/YHWH" - Exodus 6:3 sonmvayina, the word, God, obviously, we both accept and know, isnt the name of God, but is a verb word. Incidentally, the name of God, that is built on from the words for "I AM", is too, related to a verb of action. We know, God is known by what He does and that in Exodus 6:3, is exactly what He was communicating to Moses, that He appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, but they never witnessed/experienced a demonstration of why He, God, is called/known as "I AM" and that the Israelites and any that cross them or tries to prevent the Israelites from getting to the Promised Land will soon find out, lol. Anyways sonmvayina, here's the much awaited definition of God. There is only one God, just as there is only one water, and regardless of, whether instead saying water, you call it "omi" in Yoruba, "aqua" in Latin, "ruwa" in Hausa or "mmiri" in Igbo, it is the same water that's H2O in make up. Right? Nobi so, hmm? So, God by definition and/or the meaning of the word God, convey a message, information or import that God, is the force, and is an Uncreated Living, Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Supporting, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence, Self-Existing, Infinite being. Having advanced the above that much, my position further, is God is not a "not-known-number" of person(s). God, as a matter of fact then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God, rather, is infinite or infinity and not trinity, lol. God, is a force, an influence beyond scientific understanding lol, someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is a supernatural being, someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box. It explains why God in His infinite wisdom didnt allow the the word trinity to be printed black and white kokoro out in the Bible, lol Now going to what you referenced and about the point made by (moniker edited out) when he laid bare Matthew 24:36. Well, you've likely, often heard it said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself. God, can send Himself on an errand, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ because God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him Christ cannot share the same body with God the father, because God is formless. God has no clear definite shape or size. Jesus Christ is the product of God projecting Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ on earth. Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. Why does Jesus Christ need to be a human being on earth?. Fundamentally, it is because one needs a human body to lawfully and have a permitted way to legally operate on earth. God is not going to be a law breaker and be breaking Genesis 1:26-28 Now, though Jesus is God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to. Instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, God's Son, which means, it is a guarantee and not rocket science, that fathers will always know things that sons will have no idea or knowledge of. ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone. (i.e. Only God is good. Only God is truly good." - Luke 18:19 "Jesus said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? Only God is good. If you want to have eternal life, you must obey His commandments."" - Matthew 19:17 Let's circle back a little bit, for more illumination, lol. No one, can become God. No one can attain the God status. The God status, the devil learned the hard and bitter way, that the position is exclusively for God only. Ultimately, we'll in the true and good sense of the Genesis 1:26 "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness" comment, become like God, but not become God. Nobody can become sonmvayina, but nothing stops any who so desires, to become like sonmvayina. There are no possibilities that there are more than one God. sonmvayina, there can be only one captain to a boat, as a boat with two and/or more captains in it, will sink. OK, how about this then. The words, God and god are synonymous with "influential power," so the word God/god, is closely associated with influencing or tending to suggest an idea of influence The fact of this matter is, God is a supernatural entity and has the capacity to have positive effects on someone's or something's character, development and/or behaviour and so God is the Affect, that brings about positive effects. If we look at Jeremiah 32:27, it echoes the fact, that Yahweh, is God over every creation, creature or creativity, as in, He is God, in the sense that He influences and/or influenced people, just as much as the devil also will if given a foothold, lol. Now this leads us to touching on the fact that we live in a world of fantasy and reality, where we have gods, that are human constructs. Funningly enough, these other gods, are just as like, in some respects, all God is about, only that, these other gods, due to their essence(s), have their authority limited to each own's sphere of influence. Inanimate or not alive objects, deified and lying around at a shrine somewhere, obviously are in the list of gods we are touching on here sonmvayina. But would agree that the stomach or belly, that the typical wacky-and-die glutton has deified makes the list of gods? What of the beer, spirits, rum, alcohol etcetera, deified by drunks or alcoholics? What of money deified by chrematistics? I believe to some extent I have conjured an image of the differences between God and god(s) for you, but hope it didnt turn into information overload, lol. Not many like details, lol sonmvayina:Have you a trash can, dustbin, refuse bin etcetera in your home, huh? What do you expect happen to you, if you're rotten, gone off, rubbish, smell stale and full of bad bullshit, erhn? sonmvayina:Yes please, I am intrigued to know what it means, so please what does Sonmuayina actually mean? sonmvayina:"23For as I walked around and examined your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore what you worship as something unknown, I now proclaim to you. 24The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands. 25Nor is He served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. 26From one ma He made every nation of men, to inhabit the whole earth; and He determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their lands. 27God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are His offspring. 29Therefore, being offspring of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by man’s skill and imagination. 30Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all peoplef everywhere to repent. 31For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising Him from the dead.”" - Acts 17:23-31 Smh, I cant believe I am left to educating an Igbo on the exact meaning of Chukwu. Fyi, chukwu, is a product formed from two Igbo words "chi" and "ukwu." "Chi" means god while "ukwu" means huge, big or great hence "chi" and "ukwu" when put together turned into "chukwu" and the meaning great god. The Igbos, just like the Men of Athens in Acts 17:23-31 reproduced above, inadvertently, just and unknowingly, in their general consensus in the existence of a single creator, lol, could be worshipping the true God sonmvayina:They are title, attributes but not personal name of God. Let that sink in, lol sonmvayina:[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img] So? Whats the big deal in that? Do you call your parents by their personal and/or first names, lol? sonmvayina:Of course you know this is lie. You know you hell has a much better chance of freezing up before you'll produce biblical support that shows anyone for that matter was/is forbidden to call the name of God, the Creator, lol. Why dont you try and prove me wrong by providing your proof, lol sonmvayina:I cant help not lol at this funny guy's antics |
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