reigncalif1:

YEAH THOSE QUESTIONS ON MY OWN DOE'S NEEDED TO BE ANSWERED, YES WE ARE HUMAN AND U CAN TELL ME TO FORGET ABOUT MY EXISTENCE.

SO HOW ABOUT THE QUESTION ,IS IT ABOUT GOD OR INDOCTRINATION BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT INDOCTRINATED WITH LOGICAL SENSE CAN STILL END UP BELIEVING IN GOD

StrikeBack:
post the link of the thread

Dantedasz:
This simple,yet powerful cartoon explains how religious indoctrination takes place from birth until a man/woman dies,except you liberate yourself.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y201QzDdzbg

southniyikaye:
your main target was Christianity but you just have to beat around the bush to prove a point that doesn't exist.
How do you come into existence?
You see, if I plant maize, and someone saw me when I cultivated, planted, watered, put fertilizer, prevent it from insects and then harvested and sell.
This person was of the opinion that I lied and might wanna manipulate when I told him I can harvest an acre of corn from just maybe two bulb or whatever it is called then he start documenting and taking pictures through those time and even called people to witness it so he can have witnesses, that was how Christianity was given birth to.
From onset, there were witnesses and documentations to corraborate the story.
I have never seen anyone who came out and plainly and convincingly say, Christianity was a lie, Jesus christ didn't come, miracles were never performed, there is no heaven.
The fact that you didn't see God or you don't know how he came to be doesn't mean there is no God.
Firstly, I want you to explain to me
How you came to be
How you were able to grow, you should be stunted.
The air you breath
How you were even able to move, grow, eat without refueling the air you breath in.
See, any reasonable adult should know when someone is telling the truth and if Infact that's actually the truth.
While growing I was told God exist, Jesus exist, and they gave me the Bible to corraborate such stories but I took time to know if those were true, I confirmed it and it set me free.
To even tell you to repent though to you might be a waste of time but pls try to repent.
I will like you to give me some real questions to prove to you God exist

Sadteen:

They gave you bible and you corroborated their claims to be true? This shows that if u were given a quaran you would have corroborated their claims to be true from a Muslim perspective. You just helped validate what the op is saying that we are products of indoctrination. You couldn't as a child reason for yourself, your parents did for you and it is this mindset you've carried on to adulthood and ready to defend like your life depends on it

southniyikaye:

While growing I was told God exist, Jesus exist, and they gave me the Bible to corraborate such stories but I took time to know if those were true, I confirmed it and it set me free.

southniyikaye:

I will like you to give me some real questions to prove to you God exist

IamMichael:

I cannot tell you to forget your existence bro. However, when you think about it, you will realise that life itself is meaningless.
Life is like virus. A virus is not a living thing and doesn't seek to do anything. It's just there, existing meaninglessly until it comes in contact with a living thing. It still does nothing, whatever a living thing does after contact with a virus is entirely up to the living tissues of that living thing because a virus is not alive and cannot do anything. When the living thing does not know what else to do with the virus, the virus is said to have ran it's course...and that living thing continues with their living.
So is life. Whatever a human achieves while alive is definitely up to them. Whether you achieve anything or don't achieve anything, life doesn't care. At the end, after running it's course, it goes and what remains is a lifeless body.
This is scary to know, but it is the simple truth.
Religion only utilises the fear of the unknown to scare people into not having thought's like this, hence things like "heaven and hell" "spirit and soul".



Someone cannot be indoctrinated with logical sense.
Logical reasoning or logical sense as you put it is the simple process of using a rational, systematic series of steps based on sound mathematical procedures/observations and given statements to arrive at a conclusion.
The other name is common sense!

If you have one loaf of bread, and i give you another loaf of bread, how many loaves of bread do you now own? The logical answer is two.
That's what logical reasoning is all about. It doesn't try to input what is none existent because it wants to arrive at a particular correct conclusion.
Check for instance:
Most Southerners are christians.
Emeka is a southerner,
Therefore, Emeka is a christian.
Does the first two lines support the final conclusion?

Check for instance:
Every Southerner is a christian.
Emeka is a southerner,
Therefore, Emeka is a christian.
Does the first two lines support the final conclusion?

reigncalif1:



IN A LOGICAL SENSE ,NO DOUBT LIFE SEEMS TO BE ENTIRELY MEANINGLESS BUT ON MY OWN VIEW I THINK LIFE IS TOO GOOD TO BE MADE OR EXIST MEANINGLESS ,

HUMAN BEING ARE TOO INTELLIGENT
LIFE HAS NO CHANCE TO EXIST ON HIS OWN
HUMAN BEING I BELIEVE ARE MADE TO GIVE LIFE MEANING.

SO THE VIEW OF GOD SEEMS IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN GIVE THIS LIFE A MEANING ,THE VIEW OF ETERNITY ,THE VIEW OF DYING AND HAVING A SECOND CHANCE TO LIVE IN ETERNITY THAT'S THE ONLY THE CAN GIVE LIFE MEANING AND THAT IS Y PEOPLE ARE EMBRACING IT .

AND ABOUT THE LOGICAL SENSE
AND ALSO WHAT I MEAN IS THAT PEOPLE CAN ALSO IN A TIME START EMBRACING THE VIEW OF GOD WHETHER INDOCTRINATED OR NOT , WHETHER IS FEAR OR QUESTIONS THAT CAN'T BE ANSWERED LEAD THEM TO GOD NO ONE CAN ASCERTAIN BUT BELIEVE ME I HAVE SEEN THIS PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT INDOCTRINATED BUT ENDED UP BELIEVING IN GOD
BECAUSE WHEN NO ONE CAN ASCERTAIN HOW LIFE CAME INTO EXISTENCE IT CAN LOGICALLY BRING UP THE QUESTIONS OF HIGHER POWER CAUSE I BELIEVE FACTS AND PHYSICALITY CAN BE ASCERTAIN BUT SPIRITUALITY REMAIN THE THING OF MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BUT THAT DOES NOT DISPROVE IT FROM BEEN LOGICAL

IamMichael:

I understand where you're coming from, i really do. It's the most probable conclusion to think that there must be meaning to life. But, you are considering it based on the human angle alone. Remember, trees, other animals are also alive and have life.
Is there any meaning to their lives? I watch NatGeo Wild a lot, and trust me, it's not funny in the jungle.

In our own daily parlance, we breed other animals just to kill them and satisfy our hunger. They have life too. Surely, there must be meaning to their lives too right?
Once a life is created, it just adapts to its environment, live and die. That's it.


Remember that intelligence in humans is a trait that keeps evolving.
Remember that at conception/fertilization of the female ovary, just one sperm cell out of several others completed the journey. The rest, were not strong enough.
In otherwords, as time continues to pass, only the strongest traits get transferred to the next child. Intelligence is one of those traits.
Are humans the only intelligent living things? No.
Bees, Ants, Tigers, Lions, Wolves, dogs, etc are all intelligent animals. Every animal develop the intelligence they needed to survive over time in their respective habitat's.
The intelligence of man skyrocketed when man accidentally discovered fire.


This is true.
Remember that religion was not brought to Africa. There were indigenous religious practices existing before the coming of Islam, Christianity and all the rest.
Every tribe in this world have their own version of creation story as well as afterlife.
We Igbo's believed in afterlife, and the Mmonwu festival is believed to be one of the meeting points between the living and their respective ancestors.
Igbo's had Okija, and the mighty Chukwu shrine in Arochukwu before the whites came.
So, religious practices wasn't a new thing. And all what you said is what led to and reinforced those beliefs.
The question is, why did they forsake their ancestral practice of many centuries for the new god's brought by the foreigners?
Remember that we were conquered, and the conquered don't tell/write their story; the conquerers do.


There is always an underlying happenstance. There is always an underlying reason why they did it. It's impossible to be a religious adherent unless you are lacking something which you feel that religion is providing for you.

reigncalif1:


IS NOT EASY IN JUNGLE I DO BELIEVE THAT,ITS SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST, BUT U DARE NOT COMPARE THE INTELLIGENCE OF HUMAN TO ANY POSSIBLE THING ON EARTH OR ITS ADAPTATION, THERE ARE OTHER INTELLIGENT ANIMAL LIKE DOG ,ITS AMAZING WHEN DOG DISPLAY ITS INTELLIGENT BUT THERE IS DOUBT HUMAN ARE THE MOST INTELLIGENT LIVING THING ON EARTH AND APART FROM INTELLIGENT I ALSO BELIEVE HUMAN BEING POSSES SPIRIT THAT ALSO MAKE THEM DIFFER FROM OTHER POSSIBLE LIVING THING AND WITH THIS IT BRING THE FACT THAT IN A WAY HUMAN ARE MADE TO RULES OVER OTHER LIVING THING .HUMAN BEING ARE AMAZING AND EXCEPTIONAL,THE WAY THEY CHANGE AND MOBILIZE THE ENVIRONMENT SHOWS THAT THEY ARE MORE THAN A MERE ANIMAL,ITS SEEM THEY WERE MADE ON PURPOSE INSTEAD OF CHANCE

FOR EVOLUTION I DON'T BELIEVE IN ITS I PREFER CREATION TO EVOLUTION

WHAT'S UR VIEW ON GOD AND RELIGION
DO U PREFER OUR ANCESTORS RELIGIONS COMPARE TO CHRISTIANITY

IamMichael:

Which of the Gods?

reigncalif1:

I MEAN IN TOTALITY ,DO U BELIEVE WE WERE CREATED INSTEAD OF EVOLUTED .
DO U BELIEVE THERE IS GOD AT ALL . THEN IF YES THEN U CAN TELL ME THE GOD U BELIEVE IN

IamMichael:

We evolved.
No, i don't believe in any God!

My own question:
Why do you ask?

reigncalif1:

OK JUST WANTED TO KNOW,THAT MEANS U ARE AN ATHEIST RIGHT?
BOTH EVOLUTION AND CREATION HAVE THE SAME LOGICAL PROBLEM BUT I PRFER CREATION BECAUSE OF ITS PURPOSE

IamMichael:
I'm just a freethinker bro.

reigncalif1:

WOW I DON'T GET IT . WHO IS A FREETHINKER?
AND U DON'T BELIEVING IN GOD DOESN'T THAT MAKES U AN ATHEIST.

southniyikaye:
you people will read without assimilating, you just glance true without proper reading cos if you did, you will see where I said I had to confirm what I was brought up to believe!
Read and understand and stop showing ignorance

Sadteen:

What ever confirmation you made except you did your own research without letting sentiment get in the way was simply confirmation bias. Even Muslims grow up to confirm their religion to be true. No matter what religion you were born in, most people grow up to confirm their religion to be true

IamMichael:

I asked him questions, he is yet to answer...
I'm still waiting!!!

southniyikaye:
Corithians 1:18-25
18 The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. 19 As the Scriptures say,

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise
and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.”[e]

20 So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. 21 Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. 22 It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. 23 So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense.

24 But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles,[f] Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength

Now how do I corroborate what the Bible says?
At the mention of the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow, that name saved me on countless occasions, come face to face with death several times and that name saved me. Go through my thread there is a confirmation there about a snake that was suppose to kill me. It even made front page.
GOD, Jesus, those are names we need in time of trouble and those have never disappointed me for once.
The fact that God gave you grace and privilege not to encounter any danger doesn't mean you should not acknowledge him.
Indoctrination is a thing we can confirm when we come of age. A Muslim will convert to Christianity when he sees the light and realize the truth so also an herbalist.
I pray one day the lord gives you a personal encounter or he visits you so you can preach his goodness to the world the same way you Re antagonizing right now.

IamMichael:

I asked you simple and easy questions bro. I don't understand why you are quoting a post that replied a different handle.
Please reply the questions i asked you.

I do understand though if you cannot answer since every indoctrinated individual is made to be afraid of answering questions that [b]challenge them to use their sense of reasoning. [/b]After all, that's the first step to loosing the indoctrination.

southniyikaye:
just forget all these stupid brandishing of useless thoughts that is wasps up in your head.
I won't be answering you again.
Everyone is to believe what suits him or her.
For the fact that you've maybe read some books or some things are out there that you can't seem to understand doesn't mean others should follow suit in your stupidity.
I have given you reasons why I know there is God and why I believed in Jesus.
Whatever thing you wish to hear I don't know.
I referred you to my thread and that's one of the numerous signs of his existence.
Sincerely I won't dignify you with a mention again cos you are beginning to piss me off and I won't.
Continue wallowing in your delusion.
I take my leave bro.

NO PUN INTENDED
NO INSULT MEANT.

continue with your topic or face others.

IamMichael:

You know, 1 + 1 is still equals to 2...

Beating about the bush, insulting when it isnt called for, avoiding the question and forming audio anger are all well known deflection tactics of religious indoctrinated persons.

You are a case study now bro, as I'm going to be using you as an example in the next post's i will be making on this thread.

SKhanmi:
Great thread, but Op is yet to learn, once they start quoting Bible verses ignore them, that's their last line of defense & it would end up in a muddle of illogical discussions at the end, a total waste of time & space on this thread. Try and answer only the genuine ones, you'll know by their line of reasoning whether they came to really learn or argue.

southniyikaye:
you go quote me u go tire but whatever you do, leave my moniker and my mention out of your study
PEACE.
I pray you find your way soon cos you are lost.

Even whatever you aim to achieve here is indoctrination and I believed any wise person will leave you to your imagination
Be safe bro and remember, keep my mention and my moniker outta your studying, it is a plea for now.
Let's respect ourself.

IamMichael:
I reserved this space to tell our people a very big secret...
I am a freethinker, and i became one after realizing that to the whites, we are probably like 30-50yrs far behind.

budaatum:

About 300 to 500 years behind, actually, the Christian part anyway.

We are only just reading the book and believing it. In another 100 or so years, we might begin to understand that Jesus was a freethinker too who was crucified for being an atheist and use your senses scientist, and in another 100 we might start to do greater things than he is written to have done.