[quote author=Slimpotter post=92134946]


OK, look at it this way.

Russia is doing better because of Putin. I'll tell you why. When the Soviet Union collapsed, alot of state owned businesses were seized by some oligarchs, Russia was doing poorly economically, it's not quite easy to transfer state owned businesses to the hands of private individuals, there'll be economic consequences, so Putin has atleast tried, and their weapons manufacturing is because of the legacy the Soviet Union left behind.
As for Crimea, even with western bias, the Crimeans voted to be annexed by Russia, so what's the fuss about, the west always claim to respect people's rights, the majority of the Crimean people voted to be part of Russia, why can't they respect that?


As for China, the US is in no way keeping China on it's heels, cause the Chinese military isn't afraid of the US military no matter how the media makes it seem.

The South China sea is an historically complicated matter, because the Chinese claims are both genuine and it also calls for revision.
It's genuine because, in ancient times the Chinese were the ones using it to trade and occupied the islands in the area that's why they claim rights to the South China sea.
It should be revised because the parts the Chinese are claiming are close to the coasts of the other countries laying claim to it, so in my opinion they can sort it out themselves without the US coming to use it as an opportunity to provoke the Chinese.
Meanwhile as for Taiwan it's funny they're joining other countries to claim parts of the South China sea, because the Chinese government still consider Taiwan as part of it's territory, before you argue this, go read on the Chinese civil war.

And as for Japan, if the Chinese want to invade Japan, I think it would be in their right.
The Japanese shouldn't be bragging after all the things they put China through.

Go read on the imperial Japanese invasion of China, even Korea too. The Japanese enslaved and killed alot of Chinese people for no reason, they just wanted to expand their empire.

So if we say we should start pointing at those who've done so much wrong you would understand that these people trying to trouble the Chinese people are also guilty.[/quok
Russia is the only country in recent times that has invaded a country for a permanent basis, US invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Taliban and others but it was just to protect US soil after the 9/11 attack which they made us believe, others felt it was 4 oil and gold deposits! Anyways, U saying Japan deserve all China is doing ansd u suggesting an invasion of japan shows how u gravely abuse the powers u av, strenght doesent lie in bullying but in the right use of it, is like u condoning a modern day invasion of a sovereign state and u saying Crimea wanted to be annexed is a complete lie, Crimean after d invasion felt it was to the best of Ukraine to let Russia have Crimea otherwise a cold war would have started in Ukraine and Ukraine is no match 4 Russia! South chinas claim to the south China sea is legitimate, no doubt but when u try to over run and block off a major sea route u knw its vital for global shipping off goods to other neighbors around China is becomes forced victimization and encouraging hunger and death, no country would sit down and fold its arms and allow China do whatever they want with such important sea route even to the extent of blocking it off, I suggest all Asia Neigbours to look 4 alternative routes off the south China sea just like China has stopped heavily depending on the South China sea, and the strait and opening new sea routes in Pakistan and Malacca!

PS every body knows US isn't perfect, China isn't perfect either after the Covid 19 outbreak China has unleashed its very damaging effects on d world especially with the way they cannibalize live animals and run a virology centre close to a wet market shows China doesn't have wat it takes to uphold animal rights talk less of human rights, Russia is a different game and I suggest Putin leaves Russia to take a new shape and future, Russia shouldn't continue in d path of the fallen Soviet Union USSR, Russia should be more open and globalized, wear a human face, uphold human rights more, free press and everything that makes us humans and see Russia change 4 d better, Putin should step aside for a more radical, open minded leader that isn't fixed on just military might!

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I'm not trying to say the Chinese should invade Japan, wars not good, but it's surprising for the Chinese to now start claiming victim after all they did to China.

As for the invasion of Iraq, the US had no credible intelligence connecting Saddam to Al Qaeda, they did all they did out of guessing. So I still don't understand why anyone would say China's the one bullying?
There's no bully like the US, they've bullied their way through everything.

Slimpotter:

I'm not trying to say the Chinese should invade Japan, wars not good, but it's surprising for the Chinese to now start claiming victim after all they did to China.

As for the invasion of Iraq, the US had no credible intelligence connecting Saddam to Al Qaeda, they did all they did out of guessing. So I still don't understand why anyone would say China's the one bullying?
There's no bully like the US, they've bullied their way through everything.

Yes they've bullied and don't u think China would be anything different if not worse!

Slimpotter:


So if Nigeria was smart enough to study the tech of other countries and use it to develop themselves, is it a bad thing?

The way you people say it as if the west did them a favour. No business man will invest in another country if he doesn't know he'll maximize his profit, they saw cheap Chinese labour and went for it, they got what they want and the Chinese was wise enough to learn and improve their tech.
They've grown and are now being innovative themselves, so why the hate?
Why can't Nigeria grow itself using same method, if Nigeria was behaving the way the Chinese are why won't I support my country.

I'll tell you this, if it was Nigeria that rose to the second largest economy worldwide and starts threatening to displace US, I'm sure the US government would start placing sanctionsns on our leaders, just look at how Nigeria hasn't even achieved anything but the way South Africans and other African countries show us hatred, you would wonder how they would feel if Nigeria does better.

The sanction place on Chinese by the US is because of their malpractice and denial of clear issues they started, so China cannot lose face to their people that is why they always grandstand everything especially if you are not strong.

You can call it a favour,but isn't my words, factors that attracts FDI includes political stability - China started to open up to the after the Tiananmen Square massacre, the got better in handling international influence and play the west.

The west business venture in China wasn't strictly on business but also to influence the culture to be Democratic, yes they assisted them to industrialised, but started to buy the west as well which has irked some western people.

Our system is similar to the west, they can't place those sanction on us as u think.

Innovation doesn't come from group thinking, so your empirical analysis of their innovative isn't sustainable. If you don't like the US it is okay, I totally understand your frustrations. I don't dislike the Chinese either, I love the freedom that allows individuals to innovate, isn't possible in China. Don't get emotional for them because they don't care or will like to care, they play the money game without moral.

Cheers mate �

MacPython:


The sanction place on Chinese by the US is because of their malpractice and denial of clear issues they started, so China cannot lose face to their people that is why they always grandstand everything especially if you are not strong.

You can call it a favour,but isn't my words, factors that attracts FDI includes political stability - China started to open up to the after the Tiananmen Square massacre, the got better in handling international influence and play the west.

The west business venture in China wasn't strictly on business but also to influence the culture to be Democratic, yes they assisted them to industrialised, but started to buy the west as well which has irked some western people.

Our system is similar to the west, they can't place those sanction on us as u think.

Innovation doesn't come from group thinking, so your empirical analysis of their innovative isn't sustainable. If you don't like the US it is okay, I totally understand your frustrations. I don't dislike the Chinese either, I love the freedom that allows individuals to innovate, isn't possible in China. Don't get emotional for them because they don't care or will like to care, they play the money game without moral.

Cheers mate �

I still don't know why you think the Chinese are not innovative, they're leading in global innovation only second to US, does it mean they copied everything?
The US and the west had better economies before China and contributed in stealing from China too, remember the opium war. So to me I wonder why these countries after stealing as they like from China in the past are now complaining of intellectual property theft.

Our art works and sculptures are in the museums of the west and they're yet to return them but are busy accusing another country of stealing, I know who the real thieves are.

And don't think they can't place sanctions on us, try threatening their influence then see how they treat you. Just because of their interest in Africa they were plotting to remove Adeshina even after he has been cleared, how's that following due process, they just want to bully their way through everything.

And I don't know why you say the Chinese are not given freedom for innovation, try checking them out you'll understand.


And as for Tiananmen square massacre, I've never seen a very twisted and one sided story as what on happened on Tiananmen.
The only picture the west always shows us is a civilian standing in front of a tank, where are the other pictures?
They were international journalists there and they couldn't capture the soldiers that were burnt alive by the civilians.
You guys should be mindful of what you read from the western media, they're yet to show us the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein had.

Heathrow44:



Yes they've bullied and don't u think China would be anything different if not worse!

Nah I don't think so.
China doesn't interfere in another country's politics, except if you have any information to the contrary, they simply don't.

And alot of attacks they've been receiving from the west are based on unfounded lies.

Amongst the US and the west, China is still a saint, they didn't steal another country's wealth to become a superpower, can't say same for the west.

Slimpotter:



I still don't know why you think the Chinese are not innovative, they're leading in global innovation only second to US, does it mean they copied everything?
The US and the west had better economies before China and contributed in stealing from China too, remember the opium war. So to me I wonder why these countries after stealing as they like from China in the past are now complaining of intellectual property theft.

Our art works and sculptures are in the museums of the west and they're yet to return them but are busy accusing another country of stealing, I know who the real thieves are.

And don't think they can't place sanctions on us, try threatening their influence then see how they treat you. Just because of their interest in Africa they were plotting to remove Adeshina even after he has been cleared, how's that following due process, they just want to bully their way through everything.

And I don't know why you say the Chinese are not given freedom for innovation, try checking them out you'll understand.


And as for Tiananmen square massacre, I've never seen a very twisted and one sided story as what on happened on Tiananmen.
The only picture the west always shows us is a civilian standing in front of a tank, where are the other pictures?
They were international journalists there and they couldn't capture the soldiers that were burnt alive by the civilians.
You guys should be mindful of what you read from the western media, they're yet to show us the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein had.

Hello mate, you can choose where your heart lies but the delusions will come off when you taste their real intentions. Our people sold our art to them, probably a give away price and we are angry they are making millions from it. You probably are saying this out of anger, resentment or envy towards the west.

The internet you enjoy now, polio vaccination and current covid vaccine they made and are still making breakthrough. The west might be on decline due too much energy focused of sociopolitical problem rather than socioeconomic problem which can be solved through science without politics.

I wish I can say more on this public forum, but where I'm it's risky for me, however appreciate what the west has done for the world in less 100 yrs, computers, telephone, foods , u name it, they are not perfect. I still prefer the devil � I know than the � angel I know not. Don't be naive .

Make more research, what's Currently happening in Hongkong is example of how their behaviour is, relate it 1989 when there is no social media and ready internet as now. It will a be propaganda.

Cheers

MacPython:


Hello mate, you can choose where your heart lies but the delusions will come off when you taste their real intentions. Our people sold our art to them, probably a give away price and we are angry they are making millions from it. You probably are saying this out of anger, resentment or envy towards the west.

The internet you enjoy now, polio vaccination and current covid vaccine they made and are still making breakthrough. The west might be on decline due too much energy focused of sociopolitical problem rather than socioeconomic problem which can be solved through science without politics.

I wish I can say more on this public forum, but where I'm it's risky for me, however appreciate what the west has done for the world in less 100 yrs, computers, telephone, foods , u name it, they are not perfect. I still prefer the devil � I know than the � angel I know not. Don't be naive .

Make more research, what's Currently happening in Hongkong is example of how their behaviour is, relate it 1989 when there is no social media and ready internet as now. It will a be propaganda.

Cheers

What's happening in HongKong is the west trying to interfere in China's business. No matter how you try to put it or try to paint the west as good people and the Chinese as bad people, let them keep their hands off HongKong.

All through the protests, the Chinese government didn't lift a finger, compare that with Trump's reaction to the black lives matter protest.
There's no way you try to put it.
That HongKong protest was externally influenced.

MacPython:


Hello mate, you can choose where your heart lies but the delusions will come off when you taste their real intentions. Our people sold our art to them, probably a give away price and we are angry they are making millions from it. You probably are saying this out of anger, resentment or envy towards the west.

The internet you enjoy now, polio vaccination and current covid vaccine they made and are still making breakthrough. The west might be on decline due too much energy focused of sociopolitical problem rather than socioeconomic problem which can be solved through science without politics.

I wish I can say more on this public forum, but where I'm it's risky for me, however appreciate what the west has done for the world in less 100 yrs, computers, telephone, foods , u name it, they are not perfect. I still prefer the devil � I know than the � angel I know not. Don't be naive .

Make more research, what's Currently happening in Hongkong is example of how their behaviour is, relate it 1989 when there is no social media and ready internet as now. It will a be propaganda.

Cheers

And again, I'm sorry that I can't join you in siding with people who used wars and theft to grow their economy and become superpowers, except you want to justify stealing, let them return all they stole.
I'm sure the Congolese people who were punished for not meeting up to the demands of a Belgian king would love to hear from you on how the west has helped them too.

Slimpotter:


And again, I'm sorry that I can't join you in siding with people who used wars and theft to grow their economy and become superpowers, except you want to justify stealing, let them return all they stole.
I'm sure the Congolese people who were punished for not meeting up to the demands of a Belgian king would love to hear from you on how the west has helped them too.

You like to deflect, and keep moving goal post, very funny. You claimed they used theft to grow their economies really? Where is facts- our government had been stealing form us have they grown ours? Chinese steals IP from the west, if they were innocent why did they agreed to the US trade deal? Your logic is flawed, all is riden by emotions and it won't get you anywhere.

I have lived in East, keep you self loathing and righteousness to yourself.

On the killings, how kids, especially girls died during the Chinese one child policy? Do you know most of families and children are still excluded till date due to having extra kid or they where the extra kid.

I still choose freedom over � anything, if you hate the west, stop using Google, Facebook, uninstall your windows or Mac, funny enough the Chinese are using these products and wants more.

Slimpotter:


What's happening in HongKong is the west trying to interfere in China's business. No matter how you try to put it or try to paint the west as good people and the Chinese as bad people, let them keep their hands off HongKong.

All through the protests, the Chinese government didn't lift a finger, compare that with Trump's reaction to the black lives matter protest.
There's no way you try to put it.
That HongKong protest was externally influenced.

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Hongkong protest isn't influenced by the west, it's you are catching the news now, they have been protesting since 2014; do more research on Hongkong avoid using mainstream narrative or Chinese stations you see go clear. YouTube (West) can educate you.

Abeg let me hear word about BLM, the police didn't do anything to the looters and rioters, so watch your television proper, so safe guarding a property from destruction is bad right?

You have actually brought up your disdain for West, becos of Trump.

I think you have been indoctrinated.

Cheers mate �, it was fun

MacPython:
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Hongkong protest isn't influenced by the west, it's you are catching the news now, they have been protesting since 2014; do more research on Hongkong avoid using mainstream narrative or Chinese stations you see go clear. YouTube (West) can educate you.

Abeg let me hear word about BLM, the police didn't do anything to the looters and rioters, so watch your television proper, so safe guarding a property from destruction is bad right?

You have actually brought up your disdain for West, becos of Trump.

I think you have been indoctrinated.

Cheers mate �, it was fun

What indoctrination, please, if anyone has been indoctrinated it's you.
I actually prefer Trump to his former predecessors, he's yet to start a war against any country unlike his predecessors.
I used his actions as an example, if you can't look at the instances I give and you prefer asserting your ideas on emotions, then no need pushing forward my narrative.

What I simply said is, they can't be busy accusing Beijing of trying to exert control on HongKong when during the months of protest, Beijing never took any action even though they have an army garrison in HongKong.
But it didn't take Trump days before he sent the national guard to quell the protests and rioting.

So I don't understand, if both protests involved destruction of infrastructure and rioting, why is one labelled a riot by Trump and the other one labelled freedom fighting?

If you don't see the double standards then you're clearly the one that's indoctrinated.

MacPython:


You like to deflect, and keep moving goal post, very funny. You claimed they used theft to grow their economies really? Where is facts- our government had been stealing form us have they grown ours? Chinese steals IP from the west, if they were innocent why did they agreed to the US trade deal? Your logic is flawed, all is riden by emotions and it won't get you anywhere.

I have lived in East, keep you self loathing and righteousness to yourself.

On the killings, how kids, especially girls died during the Chinese one child policy? Do you know most of families and children are still excluded till date due to having extra kid or they where the extra kid.

I still choose freedom over � anything, if you hate the west, stop using Google, Facebook, uninstall your windows or Mac, funny enough the Chinese are using these products and wants more.

So because of you I should now disable my social media?

What's the difference between those people deflecting corruption in the Niger delta and what you just said.
Because some people feel the north is taking more from their oil resources that's why they'll shift the nddc corruption aside
It's the same thing as saying because our government is stealing from us, we should now keep quiet when we talk about the theft of our natural resources from the west?

If you don't know how the west became so powerful and rich I expect you to read instead of coming to unnecessarily argue about it.

Slimpotter:



So because of you I should now disable my social media?

What's the difference between those people deflecting corruption in the Niger delta and what you just said.
Because some people feel the north is taking more from their oil resources that's why they'll shift the nddc corruption aside
It's the same thing as saying because our government is stealing from us, we should now keep quiet when we talk about the theft of our natural resources from the west?

If you don't know how the west became so powerful and rich I expect you to read instead of coming to unnecessarily argue about it.

Mate �, you can argue all you want, I never said the west was a saint but I acknowledged that their good is better than their evil. Hope you saw recent clause on China backed infrastructure.
https://www.nairaland.com/6022276/finally-nigeria-been-sold-china

At least the west is transparent than them.
Nigerians are full of Hypocriste, the old cure to that is rise above mediocrity.

I hope you still remember where our argument started, you keep deflecting from one topic to another.

You don't need to stop using the social media, I just wanted to recognise that the people you have contempt for, are same that are giving you the voice or platform to fight our government. You can't do same on a Chinese social platform.

Just put facts into context and have perspective . It helps

Cheers

Slimpotter:


What indoctrination, please, if anyone has been indoctrinated it's you.
I actually prefer Trump to his former predecessors, he's yet to start a war against any country unlike his predecessors.
I used his actions as an example, if you can't look at the instances I give and you prefer asserting your ideas on emotions, then no need pushing forward my narrative.

What I simply said is, they can't be busy accusing Beijing of trying to exert control on HongKong when during the months of protest, Beijing never took any action even though they have an army garrison in HongKong.
But it didn't take Trump days before he sent the national guard to quell the protests and rioting.

So I don't understand, if both protests involved destruction of infrastructure and rioting, why is one labelled a riot by Trump and the other one labelled freedom fighting?

If you don't see the double standards then you're clearly the one that's indoctrinated.

I hope you watched Ag. Barr testimony with the Congress, the police was sent to protect the federal building and arrest will be made for a violation. So law shouldn't be enforced again?

I'm on the side of law, no double standard here, clearly it's you who has one.

Kindly read what you wrote and my responses.

Cheers

MacPython:


Mate �, you can argue all you want, I never said the west was a saint but I acknowledged that their good is better than their evil. Hope you saw recent clause on China backed infrastructure.
https://www.nairaland.com/6022276/finally-nigeria-been-sold-china

At least the west is transparent than them.
Nigerians are full of Hypocriste, the old cure to that is rise above mediocrity.

I hope you still remember where our argument started, you keep deflecting from one topic to another.

You don't need to stop using the social media, I just wanted to recognise that the people you have contempt for, are same that are giving you the voice or platform to fight our government. You can't do same on a Chinese social platform.

And again I've read the clause on the default in loan repayment, and I've read alot of clauses on defaulting on Chinese loans within Africa, while I have no comment on this, I feel some are over exaggerated.
The Chinese has constantly waved away loans being owed by African countries, we should face our government and question why they would collect loans and won't pay up.
Just put facts into context and have perspective . It helps

Cheers

I bet you know alot of electronics and household appliances you use come from China, I'm sure you have atleast some Chinese products in your home, you can as well stop using them, since we're going by your logic.

Besides a Chinese owns tiktok which is widely used in the west, but tiktok have consistently denied being a tool of the Chinese government but western powers will never agree.

So there alot of apps we use that are Chinese made too, the west doesn't have monopoly have knowledge as they always claim to show

MacPython:


I hope you watched Ag. Barr testimony with the Congress, the police was sent to protect the federal building and arrest will be made for a violation. So law shouldn't be enforced again?

I'm on the side of law, no double standard here, clearly it's you who has one.

Kindly read what you wrote and my responses.

Cheers

OK o, if you don't agree, it's fine.
While the Chinese too are not so perfect in their ways atleast they're less evil minded than the west, you agree or not, it's fine.

Slimpotter:


OK o, if you don't agree, it's fine.
While the Chinese too are not so perfect in their ways atleast they're less evil minded than the west, you agree or not, it's fine.

I'm laughing �� in Greek for you. I actually live in China now as I type with, just keep your ignorance to yourself. He who no go, no go no how far.

Cheers

Slimpotter:



I bet you know alot of electronics and household appliances you use come from China, I'm sure you have atleast some Chinese products in your home, you can as well stop using them, since we're going by your logic.

Besides a Chinese owns tiktok which is widely used in the west, but tiktok have consistently denied being a tool of the Chinese government but western powers will never agree.

So there alot of apps we use that are Chinese made too, the west doesn't have monopoly have knowledge as they always claim to show

At least you have acknowledged the west, I didn't say the Chinese are not trying. So why is Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, twitter banned in China? Mr Tiktok advocate.

Mr. Logic man go an rest, learn and research. You don't have a stand or core values for your principles, you sprouting talking point as facts.

Cheers

MacPython:


At least you have acknowledged the west, I didn't say the Chinese are not trying. So why is Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, twitter banned in China? Mr Tiktok advocate.

Mr. Logic man go an rest, learn and research. You don't have a stand or core values for your principles, you sprouting talking point as facts.

Cheers

OK I'll tell you why, since you never asked.

Twitter was used by western powers to whip up protests against the Chinese leadership, and for a party who's busy looking for ways to lift it's people out of poverty, political instability as seen in Libya and Iraq is not a welcome idea.
So yes it's good they banned it if it will preserve their political climate.
So if you're angry that the Chinese government value the welfare of their people than freedom, then sorry o, no apologies.
It is that freedom that we have in Nigeria, how has it helped us.
Meanwhile I see you bringing tiktok into this, what's my own, you can hold unto your beliefs without trying to downgrade mine.

And you too should go and learn and research, atleast I've countered your points.
I'm yet to see you accuse the Chinese government of anything the western hypocrites have not done, just call one thing China has done and let me point you to where your western powers have done worse.

MacPython:


I'm laughing �� in Greek for you. I actually live in China now as I type with, just keep your ignorance to yourself. He who no go, no go no how far.

Cheers

So you're the only Nigerian living in China?
How come I don't hear all these complaints from my friends who stay there or who schooled there, or their opinions doesn't count?

Slimpotter:


So you're the only Nigerian living in China?
How come I don't hear all these complaints from my friends who stay there or who schooled there, or their opinions doesn't count?

Your friends values and mine aren't the same, and we don't have same background and experience, so keep to your comfort zone.

Cheers

Slimpotter:



OK I'll tell you why, since you never asked.

Twitter was used by western powers to whip up protests against the Chinese leadership, and for a party who's busy looking for ways to lift it's people out of poverty, political instability as seen in Libya and Iraq is not a welcome idea.
So yes it's good they banned it if it will preserve their political climate.
So if you're angry that the Chinese government value the welfare of their people than freedom, then sorry o, no apologies.
It is that freedom that we have in Nigeria, how has it helped us.
Meanwhile I see you bringing tiktok into this, what's my own, you can hold unto your beliefs without trying to downgrade mine.

And you too should go and learn and research, atleast I've countered your points.
I'm yet to see you accuse the Chinese government of anything the western hypocrites have not done, just call one thing China has done and let me point you to where your western powers have done worse.

You brought up Tiktok not me, you argument isn't sounds or valid. You never countered my point you have proven my point that you value system is centred on power and a bit delusional.

I still bet you don't remember where your argument started, we talked about technology innovation, but you continue to influx political issues into the matter. Time reveals all truth. Hope you know about Sir Lanka? Who is wicked? Giving a loan for infrastructure, where the local community won't be main contractor, still they will pay for the project, when they default their sovereignty is gone and they will still pay?

How is Nigeria, African dealing with the Corona gift? Remove mediocrity from your life it will help you.



Save your data. Mate

MacPython:


You brought up Tiktok not me, you argument isn't sounds or valid. You never countered my point you have proven my point that you value system is centred on power and a bit delusional.

I still bet you don't remember where your argument started, we talked about technology innovation, but you continue to influx political issues into the matter. Time reveals all truth. Hope you know about Sir Lanka? Who is wicked? Giving a loan for infrastructure, where the local community won't be main contractor, still they will pay for the project, when they default their sovereignty is gone and they will still pay?

How is Nigeria, African dealing with the Corona gift? Remove mediocrity from your life it will help you.



Save your data. Mate

I can see you like going round circles to defend your friends in the west.
Well if you're so sure of yourself, point to one thing the Chinese has done to any country and I'll show you where your precious west has done worse.

Don't stress it.

Slimpotter:


I can see you like going round circles to defend your friends in the west.
Well if you're so sure of yourself, point to one thing the Chinese has done to any country and I'll show you where your precious west has done worse.

Don't stress it.

Hail your new master

https://www.nairaland.com/6060741/us-chinese-believe-africans-mentally

I don't think you ever read what I wrote, have already mentioned the country, make Google (west) your acquaintance.

Cheers mate �