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Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 3:08pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
OfoIgbo:If truth is indeed what you seek, then the following should quench your thirst: (1) Quoting word-for-word from D.M. Bondarenko — the world's leading authority on precolonial Benin history: "Another important ethnohistorical piece of evidence is that during a new Oba' s coronation, Yoruba tribal marks were drawn with chalk on his cheeks and then erased when the ceremony was over*." Crowder 1978:41 cited in Dmitri M. Bondarenko; "Advent of the Second (Oba) Dynasty: Assessment of a Benin History Key Point", History in Africa, Vol. 30 (2003), pp.71-72. (2) ”Oduduwa” is venerated in Benin kingdom as a deity, in honour of the “oba’s paternal ancestors”. Refer to the attached screenshot below for the details on this. Please note that it says: "Oduduwa" and not some evidently fictional and made-up “Izoduwa”, “Imadoduwa“, etc. You may also read this directly from this web publication of The Art Institute of Chicago. Important Note: When scholars talk of the Ife-Benin connection, they do not refer to the popular but false idea that the people of Benin are originally Yorubas. No! The discussion, in fact, is that the people of Benin (and Edos more generally) are a different ethno-linguistic stock from the Yorubas. The only point of connection being that Benin's second monarchy (which reigns supreme over the Edo nation) is a foreign one — a Yoruba dynasty whose kings trace their paternal genealogy to Yorubaland; Ife to be precise. Cheers! cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980 5 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by BabaRamota1980: 4:33pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
TAO11: It has been stressed, infact overstressed and over empasized, that there are two classes of backgrounds in Benin, a Yoruba ruling class, different and distinct from the Edo slave class. Edos want to erase that distinction line. They started using Benin and Edo interchangeably. Benin is Yoruba, Edo, which was thr name given by Ogiso dynasty to the original forest dwellers they met. Both names, Benin and Edo were given to the uncivilized natives. The original identity of the natives is lost. I believe either mayor of lagos or macof, somebody mentioned it one time. I wish i had saved it but they were not originally known as Edo. Edo was given by Ife chiefs, the Ogisos that ruled igodomigodo. Edos lexicon must contain h, v, gh, z, kp, letters. Their language is consistent with Urhobo and different from Yoruba. Hence all the terms of office and titular positions and name places of Yoruba influence in Benin are devoid of the Edo lexicon. Cc Tao11 Metaphysical Legendhero Minorityopinion 3 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 4:40pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
[s] TAO11:[/s] More like fraud recognise fraud 2 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 4:49pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
@OfoIgbo In case you still care further for truth (as I noticed you’ve lately began sharing my posts), then the following is a British Museum documentary which affirms the same information. It is affirmed positively and emphatically from time-stamps 48:22 — 48:38 that the kings of Benin kingdom pay homage to the Oonis of Ife. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 5:18pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Hellraiser77:If this helps you sleep at night. No problems. Intellectually however, we clearly have little or nothing in common. This is obvious to all and sundry. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Nobody: 5:32pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
TAO11: Thank you sir! Now you shut him up! 2 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by BabaRamota1980: 5:32pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
TAO11: Are you asking ofoigbo to read and watch video? The bloody cannibal is busy setting ambush for one of the clan members in next autonomous village. Pot go full today! I will use Edo witch broomstick to flog any yanminri that dare reply this post. 3 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 5:35pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
BabaRamota1980:Lol . I think he became quite reasonable lately as he began sharing my comments — including those addressed to refute him. 4 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 5:40pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
MinorityOpinion:True! But I kind of feel bad that I killed the fun too early. The “most power monarch” of our region of Africa (according to the European accounts) is none other than the Ooni of Ife to whom the kings of Benin paid homage. QED! 6 Likes 1 Share
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Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Nobody: 5:42pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
BabaRamota1980: Fantastic! putting the guy in his place 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by BabaRamota1980: 5:51pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
TAO11: Oh ok i go give him slack. 3 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by BabaRamota1980: 5:57pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
TAO11: Ooni was known as far away as Mauritania amongst the Moors who called him the Imperial King of Nyffe. 2 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by SaintBeehot(m): 5:58pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
TAO11:you see that second picture, if I don't save it Modakeke people ( my ancestors) will not let me be 1 Like |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Karanka: 6:07pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
ThatFairGuy:You're too old for this rubbish na. haba! 1 Like |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 6:08pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
BabaRamota1980:True! S. P. Blier touched on those information. J.E.G. Sutton also did at great length. The 1331 and 1352 accounts of the Arab travelled Ibn Battuta touched on Ife. The latter touches specifically on its trade links with the Mali empire. His 1352 account on Ife, collected from Mali, states that Ife was one of the “most considerable countries of the Soudan” which ”No white man can enter ... because the negros will kill him before he arrives”. For the fun, the following are some of the word-for-quotations from Professor Suzanne P. Blier’s “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity c. 1300”, Cambridge University Press, 2015. (1) “During the era of Ife’s greatest historic power, the twelfth to fifteenth centuries C.E., its influence spanned eastward to the Niger River and westward to what is today southern Togo ... Evidence of Ife’s commercial power extended far beyond, however, and examples of Ife’s famous translucent blue-green [dichroic] glass segi have been found as far away as Ghana, Mali, and Mauritania.” — p.2. (2) “This suggests that Ife’s current monarch is the leader of one of the three earliest founded surviving dynasties in the world (along with Japan (c.660 B.C.E.) and Rajasthan (c.734 C.E.).” — p.36. PS: The above, among several others, seem to me to quite fairly corroborate the ancient Yoruba traditional belief which holds strongly that all monarchies in the world trace back (directly or indirectly) to Ile-Ife. Will someone explain to me why a 2005 exhibition of Ife was (1)entitled as “When God Lived in Ife” and (2)held at the Strazzi Palace in Florence ?? Cheers! cc: cc: BabaRamota1980, LegendHero, MinorityOpinion. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Karanka: 6:19pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Etinosa1234:I can see that you want to learn more,but you're allowing ego and unnecessary superiority tussle to becloud you. OfoIgbo never said anything that could diminish the glory of your tribe,yet you charged in with blazing guns. Some few years ago on this forum, Benin folks never did agree that there was Igbo influence on Benin. But here you are now admitting that there was,howbeit spiritual. My advice is for you to first of all listen to all sides of the narratives before vehemently disagreeing. 2 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by BabaRamota1980: 6:40pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
TAO11: Thanks for this info. Now, where is Rajasthan, was this old Persia? I once met an Iranian who shared history of his country. He said India was formerly known as Hindustan and that all the territories formated in xxxxxxstan were once domain of the Persian king. 3 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 6:43pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
BabaRamota1980:Yes, it’s a state in India. But I don’t know if it’s Old Persia or not. 2 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Karanka: 7:01pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
TAO11:So what does 'Ogane' mean in Yoruba? 1 Like |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by BabaRamota1980: 7:31pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Karanka: Ancient Ife was capital of the indigeneous terracotta civilization which spanned the Niger-Benue basin. Their priest kings dressed in red and the citizenry had both clay and iron crafts. The iron smiths worshipped Ogun, the Yoruba deity. Ogun is the divinity and his representation or deputy that oversees affairs of mankind on his behalf is the priest- king and his title is Ogane. Ogiso were the custodians that Ogane dispatches to carry out state duties and continuation of Ogun's work. This is how Ogun got to Edos. Im copying meta he knows these things much more. Cc Tao11 Metaphysical 2 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 7:49pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
BabaRamota1980:Bini royalty clearly Stated that Ogane ruled from the East, while your so called Ife is to the west The only Kingdom east of Bini is The NRI, why do yeroba history rely so much on distorting facts and twisting meaning? 3 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 8:01pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Karanka:Good question! First of all, nobody said “Ogane”, by itself, is precisely a Yoruba word. This particular word — according to João de Barros’ account — is Ogané. In order words, it is a Portuguese rendition of an indigenous Bini word by which the Binis described this “most powerful monarch” to Joao Afonso d’Aveiros in circa 1480. In the account of Duarte Pacheco Pereira on the other hand, the Dutch rendition of the indigenous Bini word describing this “most powerful monarch” is Houguanee. The above Portuguese and Dutch renditions (i.e. “Ogané” and “Houguanee” respectively) thus beg the question of what the actual indigenous Bini word itself was. The only Bini word which not only corresponds closely to these foreign renditions, but which is also used in Benin traditional accounts to refer to the monarch of Ife is the indigenous word “Oghene” — which in Edo language means: the great-lord. The Binis till date in their traditional/cultural setting still refer to the “Ooni of Ife” as “Oghene n’Uhe”. See: [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fRBqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT200&lpg=PT200&dq=Oghene+n%27Uhe&source=bl&ots=2PQ5iBUUfN&sig=ACfU3U3v7VSlqF07YMELUTv6R95W7_MqHA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY5Jen6p3rAhXAhHIEHQFvBz8Q6AEwB3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Oghene%20n&f=false]R. E. Bradbury’s “Benin Studies”[/url] for example. So far, my discussion has been from the Benin side, and that is due obviously to the fact that the actual actual accounts about this “most powerful monarch” (the Portuguese’s and the Dutch’s) were collected from there. But to make things even more interesting and detailed, I will share something on the Yoruba side of things. From the Yoruba side, the distinctive royal title of the monarch of Ife is “Ooni”. This word literally means “the one who owns [everything]”. From a linguistic perspective moreover, it is easy to see that the Yoruba “Ooni” and the Bini ”Oghene” (used in this context obviously to address the same individual — the monarch of Ife) are actually cognate terms. In fact, even a cursory familiarity with elision and elongation in Yoruba language makes it obvious that the elongation of the syllable “oo” in “Ooni” (by doubling the letter “o”) indicates that this word derives from an etymon common to both itself and the Bini “Oghene”. This idea is more obvious in the elongation of the “o” in “Ooduwa” — an indication of the fact that “Ooduwa” (or “Oodua” ) involves some syllabic elisions from the longer variant “Oduduwa”. Cheers. cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 8:06pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
TAO11:Not only is yoruba History based on myth and fairy tales it also lacked any form of Originality. NRI is way out of IFEs league, while Nri kingdom peaked much earlier, your European accounts are from a time NRI was already deep in decline with its influence waning giving rise to the independence of its former areas of influence......Bini, Igala and IFE. Nri is from a time without any form of records or accounts, this doesn't erase it's footprint and legacy, Nri and it's influences are way too old to compare with At any attempt to read IFE History I'm always met with elaborate fables and tales that make a mockery of History That Europeans or anybody picked interest in IFE fables doesn't lend any credence to it. IFE is not as old as Bini not to talk of Nri, Nobody will swallow your crap because it was told by Europeans or anybody for that matter 3 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 8:13pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
I’m glad reasonable and true Igbos like OfoIgbo and Karanka have began to learn by putting aside sheer ego and bitterness. Lately they’ve sought to answer some fairly genuine questions. They could clearly tell the obvious difference between imagining history and citing historical sources and scholarship. Kudos to you guys for being progressive rather than stuck in bitterness. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Etinosa1234: 8:15pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Karanka: Go to sleep....what TAO11 and the rest Yorubas have written here should convinced u that ur history is only post 1900 Prior to that...it was nothing to write home abt... Have u even check the meaning of Igbo... That should educate u the more 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 8:15pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
TAO11:This is laughably dubious 1-The Bini never refered to the Ooni as oghene anywhere. 2-Oghene was clearly stated to rule from an eastern Direction, Nri is east from Bini not as far as IFE which is no anywhere near the east of Bini 3: Oghene has nothing to do with IFE otherwise Bini would have said so 1 Like |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by TAO11(f): 8:17pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Hellraiser77: You may have missed it. Lol. https://books.google.com/books?id=fRBqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT200&lpg=PT200&dq=Oghene+n%27Uhe&source=bl&ots=2PQ5iBUUfN&sig=ACfU3U3v7VSlqF07YMELUTv6R95W7_MqHA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY5Jen6p3rAhXAhHIEHQFvBz8Q6AEwB3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Oghene%20n'Uhe&f=false 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 8:21pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Etinosa1234:Igbo history is too ancient and complicated to compare with kingdoms that only peaked in 1400bc, Bini and Ife are way too young The Europeans arrived at a time when Igbo influence has declined so much giving rise to the Igala and Bini, Hence their focus on Bini and IFE which had more influence at the time. Of all the Niger-Congo cultures of Southern Nigeria, Igbo remains the oldest The current Ooni of IFE affirms this fact 3 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Hellraiser77: 8:25pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
TAO11:There is nothing in your link to support the fact that the Bini refered to Ooni as Oghene I've come to the conclusion that you are utterly closed minded and hell bent on Dressing fables as truth 2 Likes |
Re: How To Unveil And Promote Ancient Igbo Civilisation by Etinosa1234: 8:30pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Hellraiser77: 1400 Lol...when did oguola build the most... .when did uwaifioku die ...when did oba ewuare start building the Empire Read more abt the nri...they were militarily and politically useless..... When the Europeans came to ur place, they found out that y'all reside in the bush and it was "every man be ruler" over there... Why was warrant chiefs installed there if there were traditional rulers 2 Likes 1 Share |
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