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Unification of Religions

The Presidency of Islamic Research and Ifta - Riyadh
Under The General Supervision of the Grand Council of Scholars
Fatwa No: 19402, Dated 25 Muharram 1418H   
     







Praise be to Allah alone, and salaat and salaam be upon Muhammad, his family, companions, and those who righteously follow him until the Day of Judgment.

The Permanent Committee for Islamic Research and Ifta has reviewed the inquiries, opinions and essays propagated in the mass media concerning the "Call for the Unification of Religions" ie; Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, and studied what has originated from the call to:

· Build a Mosque, a Church, and a Jewish Temple in one area, especially in universities, airports, and public squares etc. · Print the Noble Qur'an, the Torah, and the Bible in one book. · Other consequences of such a call in the form of conferences, symposiums, and solicitations to be established both in the East and the West.

After comprehensive study the committee resolves the following:-

1. One of the fundamentals of Faith in Islam, which is known as an essential part of the religion and upon which all Muslims have agreed, is that there is no true religion on the earth except Islam, and that it is the Final religion which abrogated all previous religuions and creeds. Therefore, no other religion remains on earth by which Allah can be worshipped except Islam. Allah The Most High says, "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Al-Qur'an 3:85].

2. One of the fundamentals of faith in Islam is what Allah's Book (the Qur'an) is the last Book that was revealed by the Cherisher of the Worlds. It abrogated all the Books revealed by Allah before it, such as the Torah, the Psalms, and the Bible, and as such no other Book has been left by which Allah can be worshipped except the Qur'an. Allah, The Most High, says, "And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (the Qur'an) in truth, confirming the Scriptures that came before it, and trustworthy in highness and a witness over it (old scriptures). So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires." [Al-Qur'an] 5:48]

3. It is our belief that both the Torah and the Bible were abrogated by the Qur'an, and that they were changed by means of additions or deletions by their followers. This was indicated in some verses in Allah's Book - the Noble Qur'an. Allah, The Most High, says in His Qur'an, "So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them." [Al-Qur'an 5:13]

"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, 'This is from Allah.' To purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for thet they earn thereby." [Al-Qur'an 2:79]

"And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongue (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say, 'This is from Allah', but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it." [Al-Qur'an 3:78]

Accordingly, even whatever is considered as correct in these Books, has been abrogated by Islam. The remaining parts are altered. This is proved by the following incident. The Prophet (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) got angry when he saw 'Umar ibn Al-Khattab holding a sheet containing some verses from the Torah and he said to him, "O 'Umar! Are you in doubt? Have I not brought (the Message) as clear as white? If my brother Musa ('alaihi salam) had been alive, he would have followed me." Narrated by Ahmed, Ad-Daarimi and others.

4. Another fundamental of Faith in Islam is that our Prophet and Messenger Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) id the seal of all the prophets and messengers. Allah says, "Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the last (end) of the Prophets. And Allah is Ever All-Aware of everuthing." [Al-Qur'an 33:40] As such, no other messenger is left to be followed except Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam).

If any of Allah's Prophets and Messengers had been alive, they too along with their followers would have followed Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam). Allah, The Most High, says, "And (Remember) when Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets saying 'Take whatever I gave you from the Book and Hikmah (understanding of the Laws of Allah etc.) and afterwards there will come to you a messenger (Muhammad) confirming what is with you. You must then believe in him and help him.' Allah said: 'Do you agree (to it) and will you take up My covenant (which I conclude with you)?' They said, 'We agree'. He said, 'Then bear witness; and I am with you among the witnesses (for this)." [Al-Qur'an 3:81]

When Jesus ('alaihi salam), the Prophet of Allah, comes in a later time he will follow Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and rule according to Muhammad's (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) legislation. Allah, The Most High, says, "Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (Muhammad) whom they find written with them in the Taurah (Torah) [Deut. CVIII,15] and the Injeel [Gospel of John XIV,16]" [Al-Qur'an 7:157]

In addition, one of the basic pillars of faith in Islam is that Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) was ent to all human beings, and Allah says, "Say (O Muhammad) 'O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as a Messenger of Allah - to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, none has the right to be worshipped but He." [Al-Qur'an 7:158]

5. One of the fundamentals of Islam is that any Jew or Christian who does not embrace Islam should be considered and designated as an unbeliever (Kafir) as well as an enemy of Allah, of His Messengers and the Believers (Muminoon), and such people will be the people of the Fire in accordance to Allah's Saying, that, "Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) and among al-Mushrikun (Polytheists), were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence." [Al-Qur'an 98:1]

And Allah says, "Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur'an, and the Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam)) from among the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) and al-Mushrikun (Polytheists) will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures." [Al-Quran 98:6]

It was narrated in Sahih Muslim that the Prophet (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "Anyone of this Ummah, whether a Jew or a Christian who heard about me and died without believing in what was revealed to me, he will be among the people of the Hell-Fire."

Based on the above, anyone who does not charge Jews and Christians with Kufr will be a Kaafir himself according to the Shari'ah principle. (ie; Anyone who does not charge the Kaafir with Kufr will be Kaafir himself.)

6. Adulterating the fundamentals of Islamic Faith and the facts of Islamic Law (Shari'ah) to serve the call (for the unification of religions), by mixing them together and casting them to one mould is but a wicked call. It aims at mixing the Truth with Falsehood, destroying Islam, demolishing its foundations and bringing all Muslims to clear apostasy (Riddah). This can be seen in the saying of Allah, The Most High, "And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islamic Monotheism) if they can." [Al-Qur'an 2:217]. Allah Says, "They wish that you reject faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you will become equal (like one another)." [Al-Qur'an 4:89]

7. The inevitable consequence of such evil calls are:

· The cancellation of differences between Islam and Kufr, Truth and Falsehood, and complete negation of enjoining the right and forbidding the wrong.

· Breaking of barriers of alienation between Muslims and Kafiroon (unbelievers) so that no loyalty nor Jihad nor struggle for the sake of elevating Allah's Word on Allah's earth may take place. Allah, The Most High, commands "Fight against those who (1) do not believe in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, (4) those who acknowledge not the religion of Truth - ie Islam, among the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." [Al-Qur'an 9:29]

"And fight against the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolators, disbelievers in the oneness of Allah) collectively, as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with the pious." [Al-Qur'an 9:36]

Had this (unification) call emanated from a Muslim, it would be considered explicit Riddah (apostasy) from Islam, as it is in conflict with the principles of Islamic faith, and accepts disbelief in Allah - The Glorified. This call annuls what was proved by the Qur'an as true, and denies that the Qur'an has abrogated all the books that preceded it, and also negates that Islam had abrogated all the previous religions. Based on this, the call for unification is rejected according to Shari'ah and is strictly prohibited by all evidences of Islam in the Qur'an, the Sunnah, and Ijmaa' (consensus).

Based on the aforesaid:

· It is not permissible for any Muslim who believes in Allah as the Rabb (Creator/Provider/Owner), in Islam as the religion, and Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) as a Prophet and Messenger, to call for this abominable belief, or encourage others to join it, or spread it among other Muslims, let alone accepting it, attending its conferences or symposiums and affiliating with its assemblies.

· It is prohibited for any Muslim to print the Torah and the Bible even independently. So how could it be permissible to print them with the Qur'an in one book? Accordingly, whoever does that, or calls for it, has strayed far away (from the Right Path), as this is but a combination of the Truth (the Noble Qur'an) with the altered or abrogated books of the Torah and the Bible.

· It is prohibited for any Muslim to respond to that call for building (a mosque, a church, and a temple) in one complex, as this would imply a confession that there are religions by which Allah can be worshipped, besides Islam. This would also involve a denial that Islam is the purest of all the other religions. It would also imply a serious admission that religions are three and that people on earth may adopt whatever they wish of them, equally, and that Islam has not superseded the religions that preceded it.

· Undoubtedly, approving, believing, or accepting this call is considered Kufr (disbelief) and explicit error as it plainly contradicts the Noble Qur'an, the Purified Sunnah, and the Muslim Ijmaa' (consensus). It would also imply an agreement that the alterations done by the Jews and Christians are from Allah - Glory Be to Him. Moreover, it is not permissible to call churches, Allah's houses', as the Christians do not perform a correct worship that is accepted by Allah, and it is a kind of worship not based on Islam. Allah, The Most High, Says, "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Al-Qur'an 3:85]

Rather they - (churches) are houses where Kufr in Allah is practiced. We seek refuge with Allah from Kufr and those who belong to it. Shaykh Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah rest his soul in peace) stated in "Majmoo` Al-Fatawa" (collection of Islamic Rulings) 162/22, as follows:-

"Churches and Synagogues are not Allah's houses, but Allah's Houses are the Mosques. Rather, they (churches and synagogues) are houses of Kufr even though Allah's name is mentioned in them. Houses are regarded acording to the creed of the people. These people rejected Allah's last Prophet (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and as such they are Kuffaar (disbelievers), hence theirs are but houses designated for the worship practiced by the Kuffaar."

It is noteworthy that calling the Kuffaar in general and the People of the Book in particular to Islam is incumbent upon all Muslims as per the explicit texts of our Noble Book, the Qur'an, and the Sunnah. However, a response may not be achieved except through kind words and sound arguments. It should, nonetheless, be done on condition not to drop any of the rules of Islam, so that they might either be convinced of Islam and embrace it, or reject it and die after a clear warning (had been given) to them. Allah, The Most High, Says, "Say (O Muhammad) 'O People of the Scripture! (Jews and Christians) Come to a word that is Just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords, besides Allah. Then if they turn away, say, 'I bear witness that we are Muslims.'" [Al-Quran 3:64]

However, debates, meetings, and dialogue held with them in order to enable them in achieving their desires, fulfilling their aims, breaking the bonds of Islam, and bending the Fundamentals of Islamic Faith are all considered as invalid, which is rejected by Allah, His Messenger (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam), and all believers. Allah, The Most High, Says, "And follow not their vain desires, but beware of them lest they turn you (O Muhammad) far away from some of that which Allah has sent down to you." [Al-Qur'an 5:49]

The committee, in resolving and issuing this verdict for all people also seeks all Muslims in general and scholars in particular, to fear Allah and protect Islam and preserve the Muslim Creed from error, and its callers to error and from Kufr and its people.

It also urges them to take precautions against this obvious Call for Unbelief (for the Unification of Religions) and against falling into its traps. We seek refuge with Allah for every Muslim from becoming a reason for bringing such an error to the Muslim nations and dpreading it among them. We ask Allah by His Supreme Names and Attributes to protect us from these devious afflictions and make us guides and be guided to The Right Path, and majke us protectors of Islam deriving light and guidance from our Rabb till we meet Him and he is pleased with us. He is the Grantor of success, and may His salaam be upon our Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) his family and all his companions.

The Permanent Committee for Academic Research and Ifta
(Verdict)
Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baz, President
Abdul-Aziz Ibn Abdullah Al-Shaykh Abdullah, Vice President
Salih Ibn Fawzan Al-Fawzan, Member
Bakr Ibn Abdullah Abu Zaid, Member


Our final call is indeed, all praises are for Allaah, Lord of all the Worlds. His prayers and peace upon His Messenger Muhammad, his family and Companions and on all those who strive to follow them in goodness. Was-salaam alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatahu
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by Araboy(m): 6:53am On Mar 02, 2011
blah blah I Hate those saudi clerics the Muslim world would 've been better if Saudi Arabia were invaded instead of Irak
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by Sweetnecta: 12:40am On Mar 03, 2011
^^^^^^^ araboy. I am beginning to think that you are not a muslim. However, many muslims would have love to see Surah Fil" play out in our time on whichever country that shall invade "MAKKA".
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by Jenwitemi(m): 3:09am On Mar 03, 2011
@ OP(if you are a muslim)
Why don't you take this arabian mind poison and go bury it deep below the hot desert sands in a very remote part of the arabian desert where it belong? The greater part of civilized humanity does not need it.
divinereal:

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=273


Unification of Religions

The Presidency of Islamic Research and Ifta - Riyadh
Under The General Supervision of the Grand Council of Scholars
Fatwa No: 19402, Dated 25 Muharram 1418H   
     







Praise be to Allah alone, and salaat and salaam be upon Muhammad, his family, companions, and those who righteously follow him until the Day of Judgment.

The Permanent Committee for Islamic Research and Ifta has reviewed the inquiries, opinions and essays propagated in the mass media concerning the "Call for the Unification of Religions" ie; Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, and studied what has originated from the call to:

· Build a Mosque, a Church, and a Jewish Temple in one area, especially in universities, airports, and public squares etc. · Print the Noble Qur'an, the Torah, and the Bible in one book. · Other consequences of such a call in the form of conferences, symposiums, and solicitations to be established both in the East and the West.

After comprehensive study the committee resolves the following:-

1. One of the fundamentals of Faith in Islam, which is known as an essential part of the religion and upon which all Muslims have agreed, is that there is no true religion on the earth except Islam, and that it is the Final religion which abrogated all previous religuions and creeds. Therefore, no other religion remains on earth by which Allah can be worshipped except Islam. Allah The Most High says, "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Al-Qur'an 3:85].

2. One of the fundamentals of faith in Islam is what Allah's Book (the Qur'an) is the last Book that was revealed by the Cherisher of the Worlds. It abrogated all the Books revealed by Allah before it, such as the Torah, the Psalms, and the Bible, and as such no other Book has been left by which Allah can be worshipped except the Qur'an. Allah, The Most High, says, "And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (the Qur'an) in truth, confirming the Scriptures that came before it, and trustworthy in highness and a witness over it (old scriptures). So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires." [Al-Qur'an] 5:48]

3. It is our belief that both the Torah and the Bible were abrogated by the Qur'an, and that they were changed by means of additions or deletions by their followers. This was indicated in some verses in Allah's Book - the Noble Qur'an. Allah, The Most High, says in His Qur'an, "So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them." [Al-Qur'an 5:13]

"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, 'This is from Allah.' To purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for thet they earn thereby." [Al-Qur'an 2:79]

"And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongue (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say, 'This is from Allah', but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it." [Al-Qur'an 3:78]

Accordingly, even whatever is considered as correct in these Books, has been abrogated by Islam. The remaining parts are altered. This is proved by the following incident. The Prophet (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) got angry when he saw 'Umar ibn Al-Khattab holding a sheet containing some verses from the Torah and he said to him, "O 'Umar! Are you in doubt? Have I not brought (the Message) as clear as white? If my brother Musa ('alaihi salam) had been alive, he would have followed me." Narrated by Ahmed, Ad-Daarimi and others.

4. Another fundamental of Faith in Islam is that our Prophet and Messenger Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) id the seal of all the prophets and messengers. Allah says, "Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the last (end) of the Prophets. And Allah is Ever All-Aware of everuthing." [Al-Qur'an 33:40] As such, no other messenger is left to be followed except Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam).

If any of Allah's Prophets and Messengers had been alive, they too along with their followers would have followed Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam). Allah, The Most High, says, "And (Remember) when Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets saying 'Take whatever I gave you from the Book and Hikmah (understanding of the Laws of Allah etc.) and afterwards there will come to you a messenger (Muhammad) confirming what is with you. You must then believe in him and help him.' Allah said: 'Do you agree (to it) and will you take up My covenant (which I conclude with you)?' They said, 'We agree'. He said, 'Then bear witness; and I am with you among the witnesses (for this)." [Al-Qur'an 3:81]

When Jesus ('alaihi salam), the Prophet of Allah, comes in a later time he will follow Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and rule according to Muhammad's (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) legislation. Allah, The Most High, says, "Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (Muhammad) whom they find written with them in the Taurah (Torah) [Deut. CVIII,15] and the Injeel [Gospel of John XIV,16]" [Al-Qur'an 7:157]

In addition, one of the basic pillars of faith in Islam is that Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) was ent to all human beings, and Allah says, "Say (O Muhammad) 'O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as a Messenger of Allah - to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, none has the right to be worshipped but He." [Al-Qur'an 7:158]

5. One of the fundamentals of Islam is that any Jew or Christian who does not embrace Islam should be considered and designated as an unbeliever (Kafir) as well as an enemy of Allah, of His Messengers and the Believers (Muminoon), and such people will be the people of the Fire in accordance to Allah's Saying, that, "Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) and among al-Mushrikun (Polytheists), were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence." [Al-Qur'an 98:1]

And Allah says, "Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur'an, and the Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam)) from among the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) and al-Mushrikun (Polytheists) will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures." [Al-Quran 98:6]

It was narrated in Sahih Muslim that the Prophet (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "Anyone of this Ummah, whether a Jew or a Christian who heard about me and died without believing in what was revealed to me, he will be among the people of the Hell-Fire."

Based on the above, anyone who does not charge Jews and Christians with Kufr will be a Kaafir himself according to the Shari'ah principle. (ie; Anyone who does not charge the Kaafir with Kufr will be Kaafir himself.)

6. Adulterating the fundamentals of Islamic Faith and the facts of Islamic Law (Shari'ah) to serve the call (for the unification of religions), by mixing them together and casting them to one mould is but a wicked call. It aims at mixing the Truth with Falsehood, destroying Islam, demolishing its foundations and bringing all Muslims to clear apostasy (Riddah). This can be seen in the saying of Allah, The Most High, "And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islamic Monotheism) if they can." [Al-Qur'an 2:217]. Allah Says, "They wish that you reject faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you will become equal (like one another)." [Al-Qur'an 4:89]

7. The inevitable consequence of such evil calls are:

· The cancellation of differences between Islam and Kufr, Truth and Falsehood, and complete negation of enjoining the right and forbidding the wrong.

· Breaking of barriers of alienation between Muslims and Kafiroon (unbelievers) so that no loyalty nor Jihad nor struggle for the sake of elevating Allah's Word on Allah's earth may take place. Allah, The Most High, commands "Fight against those who (1) do not believe in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, (4) those who acknowledge not the religion of Truth - ie Islam, among the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." [Al-Qur'an 9:29]

"And fight against the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolators, disbelievers in the oneness of Allah) collectively, as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with the pious." [Al-Qur'an 9:36]

Had this (unification) call emanated from a Muslim, it would be considered explicit Riddah (apostasy) from Islam, as it is in conflict with the principles of Islamic faith, and accepts disbelief in Allah - The Glorified. This call annuls what was proved by the Qur'an as true, and denies that the Qur'an has abrogated all the books that preceded it, and also negates that Islam had abrogated all the previous religions. Based on this, the call for unification is rejected according to Shari'ah and is strictly prohibited by all evidences of Islam in the Qur'an, the Sunnah, and Ijmaa' (consensus).

Based on the aforesaid:

· It is not permissible for any Muslim who believes in Allah as the Rabb (Creator/Provider/Owner), in Islam as the religion, and Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) as a Prophet and Messenger, to call for this abominable belief, or encourage others to join it, or spread it among other Muslims, let alone accepting it, attending its conferences or symposiums and affiliating with its assemblies.

· It is prohibited for any Muslim to print the Torah and the Bible even independently. So how could it be permissible to print them with the Qur'an in one book? Accordingly, whoever does that, or calls for it, has strayed far away (from the Right Path), as this is but a combination of the Truth (the Noble Qur'an) with the altered or abrogated books of the Torah and the Bible.

· It is prohibited for any Muslim to respond to that call for building (a mosque, a church, and a temple) in one complex, as this would imply a confession that there are religions by which Allah can be worshipped, besides Islam. This would also involve a denial that Islam is the purest of all the other religions. It would also imply a serious admission that religions are three and that people on earth may adopt whatever they wish of them, equally, and that Islam has not superseded the religions that preceded it.

· Undoubtedly, approving, believing, or accepting this call is considered Kufr (disbelief) and explicit error as it plainly contradicts the Noble Qur'an, the Purified Sunnah, and the Muslim Ijmaa' (consensus). It would also imply an agreement that the alterations done by the Jews and Christians are from Allah - Glory Be to Him. Moreover, it is not permissible to call churches, Allah's houses', as the Christians do not perform a correct worship that is accepted by Allah, and it is a kind of worship not based on Islam. Allah, The Most High, Says, "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Al-Qur'an 3:85]

Rather they - (churches) are houses where Kufr in Allah is practiced. We seek refuge with Allah from Kufr and those who belong to it. Shaykh Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah rest his soul in peace) stated in "Majmoo` Al-Fatawa" (collection of Islamic Rulings) 162/22, as follows:-

"Churches and Synagogues are not Allah's houses, but Allah's Houses are the Mosques. Rather, they (churches and synagogues) are houses of Kufr even though Allah's name is mentioned in them. Houses are regarded acording to the creed of the people. These people rejected Allah's last Prophet (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and as such they are Kuffaar (disbelievers), hence theirs are but houses designated for the worship practiced by the Kuffaar."

It is noteworthy that calling the Kuffaar in general and the People of the Book in particular to Islam is incumbent upon all Muslims as per the explicit texts of our Noble Book, the Qur'an, and the Sunnah. However, a response may not be achieved except through kind words and sound arguments. It should, nonetheless, be done on condition not to drop any of the rules of Islam, so that they might either be convinced of Islam and embrace it, or reject it and die after a clear warning (had been given) to them. Allah, The Most High, Says, "Say (O Muhammad) 'O People of the Scripture! (Jews and Christians) Come to a word that is Just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords, besides Allah. Then if they turn away, say, 'I bear witness that we are Muslims.'" [Al-Quran 3:64]

However, debates, meetings, and dialogue held with them in order to enable them in achieving their desires, fulfilling their aims, breaking the bonds of Islam, and bending the Fundamentals of Islamic Faith are all considered as invalid, which is rejected by Allah, His Messenger (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam), and all believers. Allah, The Most High, Says, "And follow not their vain desires, but beware of them lest they turn you (O Muhammad) far away from some of that which Allah has sent down to you." [Al-Qur'an 5:49]

The committee, in resolving and issuing this verdict for all people also seeks all Muslims in general and scholars in particular, to fear Allah and protect Islam and preserve the Muslim Creed from error, and its callers to error and from Kufr and its people.

It also urges them to take precautions against this obvious Call for Unbelief (for the Unification of Religions) and against falling into its traps. We seek refuge with Allah for every Muslim from becoming a reason for bringing such an error to the Muslim nations and dpreading it among them. We ask Allah by His Supreme Names and Attributes to protect us from these devious afflictions and make us guides and be guided to The Right Path, and majke us protectors of Islam deriving light and guidance from our Rabb till we meet Him and he is pleased with us. He is the Grantor of success, and may His salaam be upon our Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam) his family and all his companions.

The Permanent Committee for Academic Research and Ifta
(Verdict)
Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baz, President
Abdul-Aziz Ibn Abdullah Al-Shaykh Abdullah, Vice President
Salih Ibn Fawzan Al-Fawzan, Member
Bakr Ibn Abdullah Abu Zaid, Member


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Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by vedaxcool(m): 11:12am On Mar 03, 2011
divinereal:

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=273


Unification of Religions

The Presidency of Islamic Research and Ifta - Riyadh
Under The General Supervision of the Grand Council of Scholars
Fatwa No: 19402, Dated 25 Muharram 1418H   
     

Praise be to Allah alone, and salaat and salaam be upon Muhammad, his family, companions, and those who righteously follow him until the Day of Judgment.

The Permanent Committee for Islamic Research and Ifta has reviewed the inquiries, opinions and essays propagated in the mass media concerning the "Call for the Unification of Religions" ie; Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, and studied what has originated from the call to:

· Build a Mosque, a Church, and a Jewish Temple in one area, especially in universities, airports, and public squares etc. · Print the Noble Qur'an, the Torah, and the Bible in one book. · Other consequences of such a call in the form of conferences, symposiums, and solicitations to be established both in the East and the West.


I didn't know Unification is synonymous to Equal Respect to other faiths, this write up seems more concerned about the issue of Unifying/mixing Islamic belief with other religions beliefs rather than propagating disrespect to other faith, hence your topic name is very much self serving and decietful and I wonderwhether Jenwitemi took time out to go throught the material, funny thing divinereal, just like the your attempt in the other thread to propagate lies , ALLAH's words remains true; FASLEHOOD BY ITS NATURE IS BOUND TO FADE AND REMEMBER YOU FLED AND FADE.
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by Jenwitemi(m): 1:07pm On Mar 03, 2011
I read only the first few lines before i concluded the whole write-up to be the usual islamic religious claptrap. I don't need to read the entire post tp know that it is just another islamic attempt at forcing their barbaric bronze age religion on others by stealth.
vedaxcool:

I didn't know Unification is synonymous to Equal Respect to other faiths, this write up seems more concerned about the issue of Unifying/mixing Islamic belief with other religions beliefs rather than propagating disrespect to other faith, hence your topic name is very much self serving and decietful and I wonderwhether Jenwitemi took time out to go throught the material, funny thing divinereal, just like the your attempt in the other thread to propagate lies , ALLAH's words remains true; FASLEHOOD BY ITS NATURE IS BOUND TO FADE AND REMEMBER YOU FLED AND FADE.
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by LagosShia: 10:27am On Mar 04, 2011
this is just an attempt to tarnish the image of islam.but for your information,the way fatwas are issued in saudi arabia is like children practicing to talk.

(one of) the saudi Wahhabi muftis who issued the fatwa is both physically and spiritually blind.this man even has the guts to declare that Imam Hussain,the grandson of the Prophet,was religiously wrong in rising against the tyrant and dictator of his time,Yazeed.this same man,a government employee and therefore puppet in the hands of the dictatorial saudi royals,issued a fatwa that denounced the recent revolutions in egypt and tunisia.

this is what the blind mufti said regarding Imam Hussain,and he was swiftly refuted and shamed by one of the  Ayatollahs in the holy city of Karbala (youtube video with english subtitles):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98bK3V7JNfY
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by jmaine: 2:02pm On Mar 04, 2011
Gone through the whole article and one thing was clear . The scholars were merely trying to signify the danger of diluting the Islamic faith by accepting other religion as authentic ( One of the core fundamentals of Islamism and were adequately pointed out) or even trying to unify all religious doctrine. As such, the topic is on track but with a little harsh undertone.
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by vedaxcool(m): 2:33pm On Mar 04, 2011
jmaine:

Gone through the whole article and one thing was clear . The scholars were merely trying to signify the danger of diluting the Islamic faith by accepting other religion as authentic ( One of the core fundamentals of Islamism and were adequately pointed out) or even trying to unify all religious doctrine. As such, the topic is on track but with  a little harsh undertone.

That is what Ihave been saying oh! the OP is in a habit of making false claims, he should have simply stated the topic as "Islamic Scholars reject unifying Islam with other religion" rather he preffered giving a fasle name to the thread, yet some people were already becoming froggy over the issue especially Mr. Holy Karbala city, a city which neither the Qur'an nor the prophet reffered to as being Holy, May ALLAH guide us. Rather than see above myopic divides and clearly expose the OP as being a Humainst Liar, Mr. Kabala city prefered showing off his dividophilia. One might criticise certain views they(the Saudi scholars) hold but the truth remains Islam has no business mixing its' beliefs with other religion, Islam cannot reject say Trinity only for we muslim to stitch it with our doctrines, Islam cannot say there is non like ALLAH only for we muslims to start anthromorphorcising ALLAH, Islamic Doctrines are very clear, ALLAH did not free us from unbelief only for us to return to it, Islam remains a farvour upon mankind. Mr. Karbala learn one thing you do not do Islam any farvour by celebrating Karfir attacks on it when some of what the article wrote clearly has wonderful support for our religion and ascertain the truth that is Islam 'ALLAH is one' this truth transcends the rambling of shiasm or the any Saudi cleric, this truth is what the clerics seek to maintain, it reminds one of an ancient Islamic sect which was definately deviant and fell from the numerous branches of Shiasm, the misguided individuals when ever they saw the crusades gave active support to them in other to destroy Muslims and build their own territory, I only hope your path has not fussed with theirs cause at the end of the day ALLAH gave the Muslims victory over the Munafiqs and over the Crusaders. ALLAH's mercy will always grant us victory.
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by LagosShia: 3:30pm On Mar 04, 2011
vedaxcool:

That is what Ihave been saying oh! the OP is in a habit of making false claims, he should have simply stated the topic as "Islamic Scholars reject unifying Islam with other religion" rather he preffered giving a fasle name to the thread, yet some people were already becoming froggy over the issue especially Mr. Holy Karbala city, a city which neither the Qur'an nor the prophet reffered to as being Holy, May ALLAH guide us. Rather than see above myopic divides and clearly expose the OP as being a Humainst Liar, Mr. Kabala city prefered showing off his dividophilia. One might criticise certain views they(the Saudi scholars) hold but the truth remains Islam has no business mixing its' beliefs with other religion, Islam cannot reject say Trinity only for we muslim to stitch it with our doctrines, Islam cannot say there is non like ALLAH only for we muslims to start anthromorphorcising ALLAH, Islamic Doctrines are very clear, ALLAH did not free us from unbelief only for us to return to it, Islam remains a farvour upon mankind. Mr. Karbala learn one thing you do not do Islam any farvour by celebrating Karfir attacks on it when some of what the article wrote clearly has wonderful support for our religion and ascertain the truth that is Islam 'ALLAH is one' this truth transcends the rambling of shiasm or the any Saudi cleric, this truth is what the clerics seek to maintain, it reminds one of an ancient Islamic sect which was definately deviant and fell from the numerous branches of Shiasm, the misguided individuals when ever they saw the crusades gave active support to them in other to destroy Muslims and build their own territory, I only hope your path has not fussed with theirs cause at the end of the day ALLAH gave the Muslims victory over the Munafiqs and over the Crusaders. ALLAH's mercy will always grant us victory.

mr. big-mouth-small-brain,first of all i am not supporting what the OP posted.nontheless i have to point out the menace of saudi wahhabism and their takfirism,which you accuse me of and everyone knows shias are not takfiris.you mentioned a so called ancient deviant sect that sprang out from shia islam.let me tell you that i am not from any offshoot.there is mainstream shia islam and mainstream sunnism.i belong to the mainstream of shia islam.wahhabism/salafism/takfirism is an offshoot of sunnism and so also is the deviant ahmadiyya sect.

you really made a nasty claim pretending that you got some knowledge but you failed.you said Karbala,an islamic holy city like it or not, was neither mentioned in the Quran nor by the Prophet.let me tell you that if you claim to be sunni,you are either too dumb and do not know anything about your own hadiths or you have being a victim of concealment and the truth have being concealed from your face.check below for through evidence of how many times the importance of Karbala is mentioned in sunni "sahih" hadiths and yet you people decide to ignore the very ones and words of Muhammad (sa) who you too believe he is your prophet.why is hate for anything "shia" blinding you:

part 1:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gs9mENDS80

part 2:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MUaVKpOS9o&feature=related

part 3:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glE1tcn1HGM&feature=related

part 4:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocNSeQ4R-q0&feature=related

part 5:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhyLWYTgsM4&feature=related

part 6:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvwmFieyO_k&feature=related
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by vedaxcool(m): 4:02pm On Mar 04, 2011
^^
Oga Karbala you dey Vex? Abi na so truth them hurt una shias? I am not a sunni, I am a Muslim, keep Shiaing yourself, as the Qur'an only made mention of Muslims not shias/Sunnis, do you know the literal meaning of shia? Ignoramus who rather than refute trachery against his religion came here and started shiaing every body with your worthless beliefs that have no benefit on its adherants and at best glorified Polytheism. The Holy Prophet Muhammad S.A.W drove polytheism away 1480 years ago, it remains banished in my books and the right thinking. Your pathetic name Shia(division) has no place in Islam, Unless you claim Hussain is braver than his father ALI , whom despite being cheated according to you guys, bore the cheating and after having the chance to rectify the cheating did nothing about I am talking of the Oasis of fadak, Again it is your Cowardly Shia ancesors who betray Hussain (man ALLAH be Pleased with him), after they promissed him they will fight for him, the Cowards left him to fight for himself, imagine the implication of that, the people that he was suppose to lead did not believe in his cause, Hussian fell due to trachery from guess who - Shias-, Again ALI (may ALLAH be pleased with him) showed the three caliphs great respect, but cowardly shias like yourself insult them, talk of a follower claiming to be wiser than his master. This same trachery your shia ancestor showed hussain -may ALLAH be pleased with him- is the same Trachery you came to show in this thread against Islam. Oga Karbala, keep washing your linens in the public, But i insist ALLAH never made mention of Karbala as being a holy city in the qur'an neither did the holy prophet of Islam made mention of Karbala as being a Holy city. It is the invention of you people. Nobody was taking about wahabism but Oga Karbala lose his way immediately
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by LagosShia: 4:36pm On Mar 04, 2011
vedaxcool:

^^
Oga Karbala you dey Vex? Abi na so truth them hurt una shias? I am not a sunni, I am a Muslim, keep Shiaing yourself, as the Qur'an only made mention of Muslims not shias/Sunnis, do you know the literal meaning of shia? Ignoramus who rather than refute trachery against his religion came here and started shiaing every body with your worthless beliefs that have no benefit on its adherants and at best glorified Polytheism. The Holy Prophet Muhammad S.A.W drove polytheism away 1480 years ago, it remains banished in my books and the right thinking. Your pathetic name Shia(division) has no place in Islam, Unless you claim Hussain is braver than his father ALI , whom despite being cheated according to you guys, bore the cheating and after having the chance to rectify the cheating did nothing about I am talking of the Oasis of fadak, Again it is your Cowardly Shia ancesors who betray Hussain (man ALLAH be Pleased with him), after they promissed him they will fight for him, the Cowards left him to fight for himself, imagine the implication of that, the people that he was suppose to lead did not believe in his cause, Hussian fell due to trachery from guess who - Shias-, Again ALI (may ALLAH be pleased with him) showed the three caliphs great respect, but cowardly shias like yourself insult them, talk of a follower claiming to be wiser than his master. This same trachery your shia ancestor showed hussain -may ALLAH be pleased with him- is the same Trachery you came to show in this thread against Islam. Oga Karbala, keep washing your linens in the public, But i insist ALLAH never made mention of Karbala as being a holy city in the qur'an neither did the holy prophet of Islam made mention of Karbala as being a Holy city. It is the invention of you people. Nobody was taking about wahabism but Oga Karbala lose his way immediately



i will take this as a pleasurable opportunity to enlighten you so that you may see the light by the will of Allah.

the phrase "i am not sunni,i am not shia,i am muslim" is expressed by fools or those intended to deceive.one of the two has to be right.and if shia is right,then it is muslim.if sunni is right then that is muslim.if shia is wrong,then that is not muslim and vice versa.there is no escape from history and division.you must belong to one of the two branches knowingly or not and whether you admit it or not.that can be seen in your mode of practicing islam even if we are to forget about theories and doctrines which ofcourse determine practice nontheless.

i know you want to promote here the idea that the word "shia" carries a negative meaning as the wahhabism and their wannabees have being programmed.unfortunately for them,the Quran is a shining light against them.in the Quran the word "shia" is used positively and negatively.the word itself is neutral and it takes a positive or negative position based on how it is used.for example,we are told that we should not divide and be "shia" in the Quran.that is expressed negatively because division is bad.yet we read also in the Quran that Ibrahim was a "shia" of Noah!the word "shia" means "partisan,supporter of".in our case,we are the "shia of Ali" those the Prophet himself described as the "successful ones".he did made mention that the lovers and supporters "shia of Ali" are the "successful ones".we are not ashamed nor will we stop refering to ourselves as "shia of Ali" because being a "shia of Ali" is success and islamic.it is a way of complementing islamic and fulfilling its objectives.we are not the ones dividing islam.it is you who have refused to be a "shia of Ali" but rather you have clinged to his enemies and keep bugging us shia on why we hate some sahabas who had enemity to Ali.

you again raised a normal wahhabi blabbing that it is the shia "treachery" that led Hussain (as) to be killed.first of all there is contradiction in this statement.it is like saying:"you muslims started worshipping idols instead of Allah,so you muslim are the ones spreading polytheism and idolatry".is that possible? being shia means you must be a "partisan of Ali" the father of Hussain.so how can anyone turn against Hussain and still be called shia or even muslim?impossible!how can anyone worship an idol and still be viewed as a muslim?impossible too!!!but the question remains mr.big mouth,if the shia who you accuse of betraying Hussain,did what they did,then where were the majority of sunnis?why did the sunnis or others (if at all) NOT help him?you were busy sleeping?!!!well,the shia of Ali and of Hussain,were those who stood by Hussain till the last minute and got matyred alongside him and they refused to abandon him.those were true "shia" and those proved themselves of how a shia and indeed a muslim must act towards Hussain and the Ahlul-Bayt.

i am telling you that you should not follow the wahhabi footsteps in trying to degrade karbala or anything related to the matyrdom of Imam Hussain.this is an ummayad tradition followed by the wahhabis and the haters of Hussain.

below is another video,and i hope you're watching them because you will save me from wasting time replying on nonsense and teaching you the basics of islam.below is a sunni sheikh (who i must commend no matter what) talking about the importance of Karbala and Imam Hussain based on sunni hadiths and the words of the Prophet himself which you have maintained to reject:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC00FAO-e1A
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by seyibrown(f): 11:54am On Mar 05, 2011
Doesn't the Quran say Allah's gonna judge the Jews by the Torah and Christians by the 'Book'? How come then that Allah will not accept any religion other than Islam from those who are not muslims? Or do Muslims now live by the Bible or the Torah? LOL! Islam is very peaceful and 'tolerant'! grin
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by Sweetnecta: 2:36pm On Mar 05, 2011
^^^^^ The jews dont stick to the Torah, alone. never mind that they dont have the Torah revealed to Moses [as], for the longest time now. You must have heard of jewish talmud? you know it is not torah, right? the jews refers to it than the ot. and dont forget that your ot in your bible is different from the Torah and the tamud of the jew.

the christian have different OT from the jews. the christian does not have the Injil of Isa bin Maryam. instead, it is injil according to matthew, which is not exactly the same injil of john, or mark or luke. these are 4 injil where there is no 2 exactly alike.


now, judging the jews and the christians by what is revealed to them may be looked in two ways; when those original books were here with the prophet each was given, where you have sincere followers among the community. obviously, there were disbelievers in Moses from among his community when he was alive. remember they made a graven image to worship? some of them did not repent and perished because of it.

obviously, just as well while jesus [as] was peaching the Gospel from his Lord to his people, there were many who disbelieved.

Now if we take a look at from the time of the messenger [as] to this time, we have today so many 'torah' among the Askenazi, sephadic jews and from them at least we have the orthodox, the reform, the liberal, etc jewish sects. each has its own rituals and customs, different "torah' and of course talmud. you have some jews prostrating and bowing in prayers, while some dont, while others bopping at the wall, etc.

at the same time we have christians who are prostrating and bowing; you find them among the coptic monks in egypt and talebela christians in ethiopia. of course, we know so many other chrsitians like greek orthodox, russian orthodox, etc, roman catholics, protestants, anglicans, methodists, baptists, american southern baptists, african baptists, seventh day adventists, jehovah witness, the mormon, and in africa, specifically in nigeria, the cac, the aladura, the cele, etc, etc, and there are others i dont know, still.

tell me which one of these; jews and their specific torah is the Torah that is from Moses 100% without adding or deleting anything from it? tell me which one of the gospels is the right and correct gospel of jesus; gospel of john or that of matthew, or that of mark, or that of luke? i am not even going to bother you with the many versions, edition, etc that we have today or to give you a throw back to the very time versions and or edition and or revisions began, considering that there are no two 'manuscripts' exactly alike?


which version, edition, revision shall God Almighty judge you with; the one available now or the one that was written by "according to mark" in the first century? What about the gospel according to matthew, then or now? what about that of john or luke, then or now or inbetween or what may be written in the future, in your lifetime?


Come to Islam. Come to Success, Seyi. And bring your man and the whole family along. Your man will enter with you, if you are a good wife to him.
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by Nobody: 2:39pm On Mar 05, 2011
Islam is one of the numerous counterfeit religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism etc etc.

Islam is a religion of dead works and 'self-righteousness'.

Islam cannot save you, come out of this Satanic Cult.

Only JESUS can SAVE !!!!
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by seyibrown(f): 5:09pm On Mar 05, 2011
@ sweetnecta

I am surprised you are still inviting me to Islam. You wey be say your 'plan b' na to get 'saved' through your wife's christianity! LOL! If Islam is truly the only way, why your 'PLAN B'? grin Come out of Egypt, Man! CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY!

How family now? E ku miliki! smiley
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by LagosShia: 7:54pm On Mar 05, 2011
seyibrown:

Doesn't the Quran say Allah's gonna judge the Jews by the Torah and Christians by the 'Book'? How come then that Allah will not accept any religion other than Islam from those who are not muslims? Or do Muslims now live by the Bible or the Torah? LOL! Islam is very peaceful and 'tolerant'! grin

because both the torah and the injeel are revelations from Allah and Allah's religion is Islam.torah does not belong to jews and the injeel doesnt belong to christians.what is recorded are distorted forms of both revelations.with Allah is all knowledge.
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by Nobody: 8:23pm On Mar 05, 2011
^^^

I am sorry but you are worshiping a false god that cannot earn you salvation talk less of paradise.


Let me tell you why :

1. All false religions require that you face a particular direction to pray. i.e Mecca or Jerusalem

2. False religions are also heavily works based belief systems, e.g, washing hands and feet, fasting, giving alms etc

3. In the case of Islam , Violence is an allowed means of forcefully converting men

4. Leaving Islam could incur the death penalty

5. Most Muslims are still bound by diverse lusts such as pride, sexual illegitimate desire, anger, hatred etc etc

Summarily, Islam cannot SAVE from SIN, or Lusts, or Worldliness and ultimately HELL.

All Muslims need JESUS , Muhammad died and is buried, he also will face the judgment of Jesus Christ on the last day.

Jesus is alive and reigns from Heaven , seated on the right hand of God, until ALL his enemies ( e.g Islam. Hinduism , unbelievers, sinners etc ) are made his footstool.

"The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." Pslam 110:1
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by LagosShia: 10:07pm On Mar 05, 2011
frosbel:

^^^

I am sorry but you are worshiping a false god that cannot earn you salvation talk less of paradise.


Let me tell you why :

1. All false religions require that you face a particular direction to pray. i.e Mecca or Jerusalem

2. False religions are also heavily works based belief systems, e.g, washing hands and feet, fasting, giving alms etc

3. In the case of Islam , Violence is an allowed means of forcefully converting men

4. Leaving Islam could incur the death penalty

5. Most Muslims are still bound by diverse lusts such as pride, sexual illegitimate desire, anger, hatred etc etc

Summarily, Islam cannot SAVE from SIN, or Lusts, or Worldliness and ultimately HELL.

All Muslims need JESUS , Muhammad died and is buried, he also will face the judgment of Jesus Christ on the last day.

Jesus is alive and reigns from Heaven , seated on the right hand of God, until ALL his enemies ( e.g Islam. Hinduism , unbelievers, sinners etc ) are made his footstool.

"The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." Pslam 110:1


i really got no time for you and i wouldnt feel regret if you burn in hell for not helping you out by replying your trash.

my advice to you if you got a computer at home,is for you to spend more time on youtube watching videos of "Ahmad Deedat".when you're done you'd know who Jesus himself said is the Only ONE that saves.
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by Sweetnecta: 10:15pm On Mar 05, 2011
@Seyi; « #15 on: Today at 05:09:13 PM »
[Quote]@ sweetnecta

I am surprised you are still inviting me to Islam. You wey be say your 'plan b' na to get 'saved' through your wife's christianity! LOL! If Islam is truly the only way, why your 'PLAN B'? Grin Come out of Egypt, Man! CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY!

How family now? E ku miliki! Smiley[/Quote]Alhamdulillah. Family is fine. i am not married to a christian. muslim woman has right over me to become her husband than any other woman on earth. i leave the rest of your statement, because Noah [AS] was the only way to his community. that was long time before Jesus [AS]. Was Moses [AS] not the only way to the children of israel for many centuries, long before Jesus?
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by seyibrown(f): 11:46pm On Mar 05, 2011
Sweetnecta:

@Seyi; « #15 on: Today at 05:09:13 PM »Alhamdulillah. Family is fine. i am not married to a christian. muslim woman has right over me to become her husband than any other woman on earth. i leave the rest of your statement, because Noah [AS] was the only way to his community. that was long time before Jesus [AS]. Was Moses [AS] not the only way to the children of israel for many centuries, long before Jesus?

What was all that you being married to a 'Susan' whose family has now converted to Islam because you showed them the way? grin Al-taqiya -ing? grin grin
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by jmaine: 12:00am On Mar 08, 2011
seyibrown:

What was all that you being married to a 'Susan' whose family [b]has now converted to Islam because you showed them the way? grin Al-taqiya -ing?[/b] grin grin

Yes i can vividly remember, Sweetnecta wassup with the change in status. were you bragging then.
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by vedaxcool(m): 5:15pm On Mar 09, 2011
@frosbel, you misguided Ex Zionist you have not learn a lesson from you evil Past (Unconditionally supporting Isreal because they are Jews), instead of educating yourself on things you prefer blindly making statements that are hardly near common sense or the truth.


seyibrown:

Doesn't the Quran say Allah's gonna judge the Jews by the Torah and Christians by the 'Book'? How come then that Allah will not accept any religion other than Islam from those who are not muslims? Or do Muslims now live by the Bible or the Torah? LOL! Islam is very peaceful and 'tolerant'! grin

You are yet to learn despite repeating the same class numerous times, Let us ask this misguided re-interpreter if her religion will admit people of other faiths such as Polytheist, athesit etc in order to be labelled tolerant, I am sure the Jesus you falely worship will not like persons such as Mudley313, or Mazaje, or etc but yet you want Islam to be tolerant in accepting you, when you go as low as mocking the Holy prophet Muhammad pbuh. I laugh at your thinking which shows the deapth of your shallowness. As I read in the OT, you are not suppose to eat poke yet You Christians still eat Poke despite the fact that Jesus proclaimed I have not come to abolish the Prophets and the Laws. Madam if ALLAH were to judge you by the bible of which the OT is part of, then your guess is as good as mine = Hell will hardly be far from . . .
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by Nobody: 5:23pm On Mar 09, 2011
@frosbel, you misguided Ex Zionist you have not learn a lesson from you evil Past (Unconditionally supporting Isreal because they are Jews), instead of educating yourself on things you prefer blindly making statements that are hardly near common sense or the truth.



Dear Bro. you are unfortunately misguided. I say this out of love.

Islam is a dead religion with dead works and a lifeless form of godliness.

Jesus called the Pharisees white washed tombs because on the outward they appeared neat, tidy, clean ( you know what I mean, they washed their hands, feet, did not eat pork etc ) but inwardly he said they were full of dead mens bones.

Islam is very similar to DEAD Judaism, both religions of external works that cannot save any one.

"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs--beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people's bones and all sorts of impurity." Matthew 23:27


"In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness." Matt 23:28



Islam is so heavily works based that it baffles me how you think that you can ever please god with your pitiable righteousness.

"After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him ‘unclean’?For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods “clean.”)
He went on: “What comes out of a man is what makes him ‘unclean.’For from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man ‘unclean.’” " Mark 7:17-23
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by divinereal: 8:48pm On Mar 09, 2011
Islam: Cocooned in Lies
by Ali Sina

20 Nov, 2005

"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible." Bertrand Russell

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In every religion there is something good, something bad and something terribly ugly. The good is what is being preached, the bad is what is being practiced and the ugly is the outcome.

All religions preach honesty, modesty, detachment, kindness, justice and other virtues. These are of course our own spiritual heritage. We humans aspire to evolve spiritually and are attracted towards these qualities. Even those societies that have had no religion at all (in Americas and the Far East) have upheld these qualities. The societies that did not have the tradition of receiving messengers from an invisible god were not worse than those who had them.

But what religions practice is not what they preach. Unfortunately, even the very founders of some of the religions often fail to live an ethical life. The Bible is full of stories of atrocities of Moses, his killings of innocent people all sanctioned by his unfair god. We know very little of Jesus. The Gospels were written 30 to 60 years after his death and cannot be relied as authentic. Yet there are indications in the New Testament that show if he had power, he would probably be as unfair as his predecessor (see `Luk 10:12-13, 19:27 and Rev 2:22-23 ) However we do have a lot of stories recorded from Muhammad. Many of them are considered authentic (Sahih) that can give us a good glimpse into the mind of the man who claimed to be the prophet and the mercy of God to mankind. Yet the picture we get from this last prophet is anything but holy.

He massacred and exterminated all the Jews from Arabia and instigated hatred between his followers and the Jews that has lasted for over 1400 years and has cost millions of lives. Prior to him Arabs and Jews lived in harmony and were allies.

He sent assassins to kill his critics in the middle of the night, who committed no other crime than composing poetries ridiculing his holiness, even if they where old or mothers of several infants. (*)

He raped Jewish girls 40 years younger than him whom he captured in his raids in the same day that he killed their loved ones and their relatives.

He enriched himself by looting caravans, killing the men, usurping their properties and SELLING their wives and daughters as slaves.

After his affluent wife Khadija died and after he enriched himself with spoils of his wars on defenseless people, he invaded the boundaries of decency and performed sex with twenty women, some only 9 years old, some he married, some he captured in wars, some were his slaves and maid servants and some just 'offered' themselves to him. He did even lust after the beautiful wife of his own adopted son.

Muhammad founded a religion that has brought nothing but hatred and discord between his followers (among themselves) and his followers and the rest of mankind. So much war, so many killings that took place in the name of Islam and are taking place still in various corners of the world.

He heralded a misogynistic religion that has undermined the rights of women and subjected them to mistreatment and abuse. Contrary to the claims of the Islamic apologists Islam has actually took away the rights of women and women in Arabia were better off before Islam than after Islam. This is of course much more true in the case of other today's Islamic countries like Iran where in the life time of Muhammad a Queen reigned.

As I write these notes, a couple of Muslims are being prosecuted for blowing the Pan Am flight killing 280 innocent people and ruining the lives of 280 families. While the accused deny the charges and blame the Palestinians for this cowardice attack, we have to question ourselves, where these Islamic terrorist, that are now burgeoning from Philippines to Timor, from Indonesia to Afghanistan, from Iran to Libya, from Canada to US, got their inspiration to kill? Do you think that Islam has nothing to do with that? There are many verses of Quran that encourage the believers to kill the non-believers. In Islam the end justifies the means.

Modernist Muslims prefer to live in denial than come to terms with the fact that Quran is responsible for all these atrocities perpetrated by Muslims. They call for peace, tolerance and freedom of speech. They condemn the extremists and the fundamentalists for misinterpreting Quran. Yet they are the ones who are misinterpreting it, and are not willing to let go the book that promotes war, hatred and suffocation of thoughts.

It is time that we questioned ourselves, when we accept Islam as a legitimate religion, aren't we promoting a doctrine that rears terrorists? What we THINK Islam is, is irrelevant, what we WANT Islam to be is inconsequential. What Islam REALLY is matters.

Islam is not a religion that promotes peace. It orders its believers to kill all those who do not accept its dogma, without mercy. It instructs its followers to subdue the Christians and the Jews and make them pay Jizyah (penalty tax).

Islam is not a religion that promotes equality of genders. Muhammad said women are 'deficient in intelligence', that majority of them go to hell because they are disobedient to their husbands, that they should be beaten if they fail to please their husbands.

Islam is not a religion that promotes equality for all humanity. It clearly regards the non-Muslims as second-class citizens and for those who are not either Jews or Christians it prescribes death. It also allows slavery.

Islam is not a religion that promotes freedom of thought and speech. It curtails the right of all the non-Muslims to teach their religion, to congregate and to celebrate their belief. It instructs killing all those who decide to break rank and think freely and independently.

If what I write offends you, it is not because there is anything offensive in my writings. It is because we Muslims have been cocooned in lies for so long that now the light of truth is blinding us. Religion is compared to opium and we are so much intoxicated by it that any attempt to wean us from it will be faced with hostility and anger.

I am not attacking or insulting my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters. They are in my blood and I am in theirs. I am trying to wake them up, to shake them up, to bring them to their senses and show them the hidden and dark side of Islam. I don't do that because I want to hurt them, I do that because I love them. Because our peace and security, our prosperity and happiness, our unity and integration with the rest of our brothers and sisters in humanity cannot be achieved as long as we are cocooned in the lies of Islam and shackled in hate towards those who do not agree with us,

My writings are my gift of love to my fellow human beings. I do not profit from them nor I seek fame thereof. On the contrary I am being hated by the majority of my Muslim readers and if found I will be put to death. I am not a sadist and tormenting others does not give me pleasure. I feel the pain of every suffering person. I cry like a child when I see the atrocities that some of us inflict on the rest of us. I am at lost when I see the apathy and indifference of some for the misfortunes of others. I am a human, part of humanity, feeling the pain of humanity. It is our responsibility to make each other see the truth. No one will do that for us; no one can do that for us; and no one should do that for us.

I earnestly invite you to study the Quran and question it. Read this book and think with open mind. If you think I am mistaken, show me; I am open to change. Otherwise please join me in this spiritual undertaking. Let us wake up our brothers and sisters. Let us not look down at the unbelievers with disdain. Let us quench this hate that is burning in our hearts. Let us embrace all humanity as our kin. Let us demolish the walls that have separated us from the rest of mankind. Let us descend from this pedestal of self-righteousness. Let us regard women as equal, Let us forget what Muhammad said and listen to the voice of reason. And let us love humanity above any doctrine or deity.
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by Shanshani: 9:22pm On Mar 09, 2011
Mixing religious books is out of the question our beloved prophet (SAW) has said it through divine revelation below

Say, "O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

Christians,Hindus and any other should stick to their religious books period.
Re: Islamic Scholars Case Against Equal Respect For Other Faiths (islaam) by Nobody: 11:46am On Mar 10, 2011
^^^


I agree with you, we cannot and should not mix Islam and Christianity.


Do Not Be Yoked With Unbelievers

"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belialb? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”c

“Therefore come out from them

and be separate,

says the Lord.

Touch no unclean thing,

and I will receive you.”

“I will be a Father to you,

and you will be my sons and daughters,

says the Lord Almighty.” 2 Corinthians 6:14 -17

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