nuclearboy:

Joagbaje:
Please are you Gombs? There is reason for my question & I speak to you only in this

I'm not Goms pls. If I will ever have to have a new I.D. I will still maintain my colors and style in scriptural quotations. But I pray I will not have a reason to.

nuclearboy:

@Joagbaje:

2 things!

1. NBC never said anybody show not show miracles. What they said was that they would verify any such claims. Since that day, your pastor chris disappeared from miracle shows in Nigeria and up till today, any miracles shown are not under NBC jurisdiction. Yet you say NBC verified his miracles. Why are you lying to yourself? Why did he run away if they verified his miracles?

2.You didn't answer my question. You just evaded it totally and answered what nobody asked you - read above again.

Just a poser - do you believe God is true and EVERYMAN is a liar? E V E R Y M A N ? ?

Initially they said there should be no miracles at all.That went on for years. But they could show native doctors and traditional medicines Whose cure can't be verified . But We prayed, and last year we heard that the law has been changed. Some stations are still afraid of NBC to showcase the miracle testimonies. We had to lay hold on the NBC code to show some of these stations that the Code has been changed. Many of them have started airing them. We didn't run. We have countless of them.

Initially they said there should be no miracles at all.That went on for years. But they could show native doctors and traditional medicines Whose cure can't be verified . But We prayed, and last year we heard that the law has been changed. Some stations are still afraid of NBC to showcase the miracle testimonies. We had to lay hold on the NBC code to show some of these stations that the Code has been changed. Many of them have started airing them. We didn't run. We have countless of them.

How important knowledge is,
How necessary for us as Christians to always be informed
There's no room for mediocrity anymore

^^^

@Jo:

Honesty is a PLUS - NBC NEVER said no miracles. What they said was unsubstantiated miracles.

Btw, I know you are not Gombs. I was teasing you using an unusual language construct (what I meant was "na your work be this question?) because the "Legion" comes out to defend you by scattering the issue to the point where everything is derailed. Unfortunately, the impression given is as if you are telling them to help you scatter everything so you don't have to answer "uncomfortable" questions. It has happened a few times recently and you should go back and read "when did the Apostles become born-again" - if it was a legal battle, una don win but being what it is, it only showed that it was a deliberate effort by a group of people to obfuscate matters and create white space. Poor theology cannot be hidden by noise. The pharisees found that out long ago.

They don't help you when they do it. Even if you are innocent (which I suspect many times), it looks like they are afraid you will be swamped and so come to scatter everything. What does that say about their trust in you? Knowing that people back home read many of these threads, I wonder if that impression pleases you. Sincerely though, it would be nice if you found intelligent people to help you. I can bet my nose what I will find anytime 4 of your people here post. Its as if you do an IQ test and choose the lowest. I was dazed when the two "rich" eddiots boasted about riding Okadas daily  - so revealing, wasn't that?   And then one boasted (they love boasting forgetting a man is not the sum of his stomach or lusts) about using an IPhone. Very plebian - na everything dey scatter poor persin head

Everyone is on their own . Ofcourse there's freedom of association. You have your friends , I do too. Nothing is wrong with that. Truth is not about how many people but in the content. The thread on the apostles had already enter abuses . I can't be embarrased by the bible , If I'm wrong I don't need to win argument. Prove to me by scripture . I will humble myself to admit . But these days it' hasn't been discussions but it's like political debate. Its an unhealthy enviroment for learning.

@Joagbaje:

The abuses, fighting and what you call "like political debate" comes ONLY because of deliberate falsehood. Stop spreading falsehood arrogantly! When someone tells a lie and wants to force it down other people's throats, they get insulted and retaliate. Consider the issue at hand. You have said something  - that ALL miracles were canceled. "Azibulua" quickly "stupidly" jumped in to snidely insult me by saying I was NOT informed and thus, am mediocre. YET THE TRUTH IS THAT YOU LIED!  Or maybe you just didn't know but trusted a friend or your pastor who lied to you and so you too kept on with that lie. Which would make you innocent but still a liar! So she too was wrong and a liar. Who is NOT informed now? Who is mediocre? Yet you insist ON FALSEHOOD!

The truth of the matter is -

Programmes showing miracles have disappeared from screens in compliance with an edict from the Nigeria's National Broadcasting Commission, which took effect from the beginning of May.

The NBC, the body which regulates broadcasting, says some of the miracles shown on television are false and [size=18pt]stations can broadcast miracles only when they are verifiable[/size].

The above is from the BBC website at  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3784659.stm

I would have searched for the NBC direct link (their website is http://www.nbc.gov.ng and you can write them there to clarify through - Awwalu Salihu,
Head, Public Affairs +234 9 7805730 Email : masalihu@nbc.gov.ng) but I doubt you will say the BBC is lying above. If you want the direct link, its a simple search or a short letter to the above address.

I once earlier defined this same thing on NL - if you tell a falsehood, you insult everyone you say it to because you are effectively saying they are not intelligent enough to know the truth and so must swallow your lie. But if I know/find out and then say "you're a liar", you see that as an insult! Does that make sense? We claim Christ - what would He do? Or say? Would He take anything Peter said and start arguing with it against everyone?

Don't assume you know always - that was what caused issues with the PARABLE of Lazarus and the Rich man. That is what caused this post about what NBC said! And it is why many so called MOGs don't like being questioned - cause they are false/ignorant yet claim special status

@nuclearboy

You always stand tall among all like an Iroko tree. Even when the wind blows, you never shake because your foundation is solid.

hmmm.

nuclearboy:



^^^

Yes, I am "SACRED" of you, I am usually "SACRED" of dolts, half-educated numbskulls and social misfits with chips on their shoulders and delusions of grandeur.

Why not return to high school for a refresher course in english rather than showing the emptiness between your ears online?

there's no point being crude and obnoxious for no cogent reason(s).i simply asked you to outline your problems with pastor chris or christ embassy as the case may be,(i was just being civilized), but your reply shows and sums up your mental capability, does the words 'sacred' or 'dumbfounded' mean anything insulting?, dumbfounded means to astonish greatly,while sacred means nervousness in,or fright. . .You need not act the way you did, . . Hey,we were discussing.that's civilization.insults is just the other way around.

Gombs:

. . . does the words 'sacred' or 'dumbfounded' mean anything insulting?, dumbfounded means to astonish greatly,while sacred means nervousness in,or fright. . .You need not act the way you did, . . Hey,we were discussing.that's civilization.insults is just the other way around.

You don't get it do you? it is spelt 'scared' not 'sacred'. . . now you can see how a little twisting of letters alter a message

Gombs:

there's no point being crude and obnoxious for no cogent reason(s).i simply asked you to outline your problems with pastor chris or christ embassy as the case may be,(i was just being civilized), but your reply shows and sums up your mental capability, does the words 'sacred' or 'dumbfounded'  mean anything insulting?, dumbfounded means to astonish greatly,[size=18pt]while sacred means nervousness in,or fright[/size]. . .You need not act the way you did, . . Hey,we were discussing.that's civilization.insults is just the other way around.

The high-lighted/bolded is especially brilliant and your post shows why it is particularly you that I should take serious. Dude, you are the LAST person to talk about mental capability - you are rude, half-literate, ignorant and proud! But I digress and waste time talking to "scenery".

@LoveKing:

please what is your email address? I hope you don't mind.

@SirJohn:

Chei! Why you tell am now? Methinks it is time to let all these people who come making noise of education, wealth, position etc show their true nature to the world. I was really enjoying the dudes grammar and pride

@Gombs:

"SACRED"means nervousness? Na im be say SALVATION means naira and kobo No wonder you're confused!

;d ;d ;d

the truth must be told no matter who is affected

Guys,you all knew i meant scared not sacred?why the fuss?. . .You are deviating from the point.nuclearboy,am still waiting for your outlined problem(s).i'd ignore your attitude,it doesnt get to me, It's part of the fun and the highlights of the topic or discussion.cheers

^^

You sincerely want to be taken seriously and not seen as a blind follower of a blind fake guide?

Fine, that is great - then handle post #101 above. Let us see what you feel about people lying and claiming right/injury when called liars.

You will prove or disprove yourself with that.

Then we will speak about why such lies are fruit of CE and why such fruit are not of Christ! We will also then explain that crowds (Michael Jackson had greater) are not a sign of right. And Reverend King also said he was right so claims too mean nothing!

Good luck

PS: Evasion is an insult. Pretending not to see or understand only makes you look the same as pointed out above.

@nuclearboy

lovemission21@yahoo.com

am sorry,i cant make a head nor tail of post 101, just write the question here,we'd start our new page from here.thanks

If you guys are christians, you better be careful what you say. Even the resurection of Christ was disproved by some men how much more pastors miracles. Am not ignorant of false prophet but just let God be the judge or we anger the holy Spirit without knowing it.

martisyno:

If you guys are christians, you better be careful what you say. Even the resurection of Christ was disproved by some men how much more pastors miracles. Am not ignorant of false prophet but just let God be the judge or we anger the holy Spirit without knowing it.

Hello there. . .the Resurrection of Christ was disputed by some men not disproved. Be careful what you say. You see how one word changes the meaning and import of a sentence?

The Lord said by their fruit we shall know them. When savage wolves attack the flock, what are we to do? Wring our hands? No. Here is an example from a man after God's own heart:

And David said unto Saul, Thy servant kept his father's sheep, and there came a lion, and a bear, and took a lamb out of the flock: And I went out after him, and smote him, and delivered it out of his mouth: and when he arose against me, I caught him by his beard, and smote him, and slew him. (1 Samuel 17:3)

In this war. . .the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

And in obedience to this command:

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. (Ephesians 5:11-14)

The scriptures are what we use for reproving: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2 Timothy 3:16)

Nuclearboy,hope this answers post 101,dont hesistate to forward your doubt(s).
The ban on telecast of
gospel miracles by the Nigeria
broadcasting Commission
(NBC) is the focus of this
writ.
This is intended to explain broadly.
Section 39 of the subsisting
constitution of the federal republic
of Nigeria states as follows:
1. Every person shall be entitled to
freedom of expression, including
freedom to hold opinions and to
receive and impart ideas and
information without interference.
2. Without prejudice to the generality
of subsection (1) of this section,
every person shall be entitled to
own, establish and operate any
medium for the dissemination of
information, ideas and opinions:
Provided that no person, other than
the Government of the Federation
or of a State or any other person or
body authorized by the President
on the fulfillment of conditions laid
down by an Act of the National
Assembly, shall own, establish or
operate a television or wireless
broadcasting station for, any
purpose whatsoever.
3. Nothing in this section shall
invalidate any law that is
reasonably justifiable in a
democratic society -
a. for the purpose of preventing the
disclosure of information received
in confidence, maintaining the
authority and independence of
courts or regulating telephony,
wireless broadcasting, television or
the exhibition of cinematograph
films; or
b. Imposing restrictions upon persons
holding office under the
Government of the Federation or of
a State, members of the armed
forces of the Federation or
members of the Nigeria Police
Force or other Government security
services or agencies established by
law.
The emphasis contained therein is
mine. This section provides for
freedom of expression of opinion,
impartation and reception of ideas
and information without
interference. It does not require
general acceptance of such
information or ideas. The NBC is
empowered to regulate operation
of television and radio broadcast in
Nigeria, and must have relied on
this power to make this ban. Yet
such ban is only acceptable if it is
"reasonably justifiable in a
democratic society" as stated in
subsection 3 above.
How justifiable is the ban?
Indeed, how reasonably justifiable
is it? Moreover, how reasonably
justifiable in a democratic setting is
this ban? I set out to explore this
here.
Religious matters are very
sensitive especially in a country like
Nigeria, notorious for religious
intolerance. The NBC's insistence on
evidential proof before broadcast
of miracles on television in Nigeria
without provision for guidelines for
establishing genuineness of such
miracles leaves room to much
speculation. Is this ban out of a
pure motive or meant to get at
private broadcasting media? In Acts
19:24-29, we
have the account of the incitement
by a certain man named Demetrius
of fellow Silversmiths whose trade
was endangered by the powerful
ministry of Apostle Paul. People
deserted the shrines of the goddess
Diana (whose shrines were
made by Demetrius and his
colleagues in trade)for the true God
whom Paul preached with signs,
miracles, and wonders. The
incitement against Paul was purely
for economic reasons as Demetrius
himself testified. Now,Is the NBC truly
concerned that "unproven
miracles" are broadcast on
television or are they acting some
hidden script?then,former Senate
President Wabara compared
broadcast of miracles with display
of pornography. What a horrific and
incongruous comparison! It is public
knowledge that human beings are
diverse in beliefs; so, we should not
expect uniformity of opinion on
matters. What is disturbing is for
NBC to assume the role of religious
arbiter and with bravado,tread the
path that devils fear to.
The NBC should know the following:
1. A miracle is an act or event that
does not follow the laws of nature
and is believed to be caused by
God (Oxford Adv. Learner's
dictionary 6th edition). It is not
subject to human comprehension. It
is beyond NBC(including some folks here).
2. A miracle is usually activated by
faith. As an acronym, FAITH could
be explained thus: F for Facts of
the bible; A for Acceptance of the
facts; I for Internalization of these
facts-not only for person A or B was
this written in the bible, but for me;
T for Trust-A firm certainty that
relief will come your way, and
damnation is past; H for Hope-Now
you hope for glory and not death.
The greatest of all miracles is
Salvation,which comes by faith in
Jesus Christ; that is to be born
again. The NBC does not understand
that it is attacking the very basis of
our Christian faith, maybe
unwittingly-and it is dangerous.
How can NBC (or some folks here) verify scientifically
the miracle of the new birth? I
remember, while teaching
in a secondary school in a Muslim
area in Northern Nigeria (during my IT period), I was
summoned to the principal's office
for preaching Jesus Christ in the
school. The principal asked me to
explain in his hearing and others
what it meant to be born again. I
joyfully gave the comparison
between a pig and a cat. If by
some miraculous operation, the
heart and nature of a cat is
transferred into a pig, though it
maintains its physical body, it will
display sanitary qualities of a cat
instead of its filthy lifestyle. Now,How
can the NBC explain scientifically
the spiritual transformation of a
sinner?
3. Miracles are a command by our
savior Jesus Christ to be part of the
ministry of the church (the body of
believers in Jesus). In the gospel
according to Mathew chapter 10,
after Jesus had appointed the
twelve apostles (who formed the
foundation of a great spiritual body
on earth called the "Church", He
gave them certain
commandments, among which
were-Verse 8a "Heal the sick,
cleanse the lepers, raise the dead,
cast out demons …" These are
active verbs! And should the work
of God be hidden? Should we not
declare "on the house tops" what
Jesus shows us in the secret? Ours is
not secret society. Jesus Christ
Himself led by example as we
have in Mathew chapter 9 verse 35
"Then Jesus went about all the
cities and villages, teaching in their
synagogues, preaching the gospel
of the kingdom, and healing every
sickness and every disease among
the people." The three-fold ministry
of teaching, preaching, and healing
is what Jesus Christ left with the
church. He said to us His church that
"As the Father has sent me so send
I you; If you believe, you can do
greater works than I do because I
go to the Father"-John 20:21,
14:12.
It should be noted that in the days
of Jesus the religious people of the
day-Pharisees and Sadducees- did
not believe Him. In fact, they
claimed he used demonic powers
(read Mathew 9:34; Mark3:22; Luke
11:14). They were jealous of Him.
The fame of Jesus Christ spread so
much through His miraculous works
so that sometimes (not always) He
would request people not to speak
of the miracles, not that it was bad,
but so that He could have time to
attend to some gospel matters in
other places also, "for this reason
had the Son of man come into the
world". He told the demoniac who
was delivered by Him to "go tell
what the Lord has done for you,
and how He has been gracious to
you". This man went out and began
to publicize this. If there were
broadcast media in Jesus' time, how
much do you think they would
broadcast those miracles?
When people say that Jesus was
against broadcasting His miracles,
they err. If Jesus Christ were
against it, how is it that we read of
these accounts in the gospels
today? Why has the record been
preserved? In fact, these gospels
(Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John) are
a chronicle of His miraculous deeds
on earth. John ended his gospel
account by saying that Jesus did so
many miracles that if they were all
written the whole world could not
contain the books. Then he made
this significant statement, and I
quote, "but these are written that
you may believe that Jesus is the
Christ, the Son of God, and that
believing you may have life in His
name." John 20:31. There are
many people who don't go to
church services but watch on
television. The NBC is hindering their
belief by this ban. Miracles are
meant to encourage/stir faith in Jesus.
What harm do they do to faith?
When John the Baptist had some
momentary doubts about Jesus
(Maybe because Jesus did not go to
deliver him from prison. Some
people in our country say that if
Miracle preachers were genuine,
they could have gone round
hospitals in Nigeria and healed
patients of their ailments. They lack
the knowledge and wisdom of God)
and sent messengers to Him to
confirm, Jesus sent this message,
"Go and tell John the things which
you hear and see: The blind see
and the lame walk; the lepers are
cleansed and the deaf hear; the
dead are raised up and the poor
have the gospel preached to them"
Mathew 11:5.
If someone testifies they have
been healed by prayer of faith (as
the bible says in James 5:15), who
is NBC to assert otherwise? Like I
said, the foundation of the Christian
life is FAITH. We r saved by faith;
we live by faith; we are healed by
faith; we receive the promise of
the Spirit by faith; we are justified
by faith; we even walk by faith
and not by sight; we please God by
faith. NBC's action is injurious to the
glory of Jesus and hinders the faith
of some. This is a serious claim
which I firmly stand by. The import
of the ban is that any preacher
who wants to reach multitudes of
people via the broadcast media will
be constrained in what he says
from the bible on the pulpit (and
we have the command to heal in
the bible) simply because NBC has
become the "Holy Spirit". This is a
dangerous situation and the
beginning of an insidious trend.

tomorrow, they may ban preaching
without "license".
Those so-called Christians and
Christian leaders who are playing
along and falling in with NBC should
be careful of betraying the cause of
Christ. In Philipians1:15-18, Paul
said: "Some preach Christ even
from envy and strife, and some
also from goodwill: The former
preach Christ from selfish ambition,
not sincerely, supposing to add
affliction to my chains; but the
latter out of love, knowing that I
am appointed for the defense of
the gospel. What then? Only that in
every way, whether in pretense or
in truth, Christ is preached; and in
this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice."
4. Paul had the attitude of rejoicing
that Christ was preached, whether
by false preachers or genuine. In
Mark 9:38-40 we have this account
"Now John answered Him, saying,
'Teacher, we saw someone who
does not follow us casting out
demons in Your name, and we
forbade him because he does not
follow us.' But Jesus said, 'Do not
forbid him, for no one who works a
miracle in My name can soon
afterward speak evil of me. For he
who is not against us is on our
side.'" (emphasis mine) Can NBC
learn from this? Jesus Christ would
never approve of their ban.
5. Gamaliel gave this restraining
counsel when the religious people
in the days of the early Apostles
sought to stifle the gospel of Jesus
Christ which was attracting
multitudes through signs and
wonders: "And now I say to you,
keep away from these men and let
them alone; for if this plan or this
work is of men, it will come to
nothing; but if it is of God, you
cannot overthrow it-lest you even
be found to fight against
God." (emphasis mine)-Acts of the
Apostles 4:38, 39. Can NBC fight God
and survive?
6. Testimony is part of our Christian
faith, and any attempt by anyone-
whether a churchgoer or not- to
stop or frustrate it will be
tantamount to persecution. In
Revelations 12:11 we have the
following words "And they
(Christians) overcame him (the
devil) by the blood of the Lamb
(Jesus Christ) and by the word of
their testimony, and they did not
love their lives to the death."
The NBC does not seem to fully
appreciate what they are stepping
into, and the earlier they retrace
their steps the better for all of us.
No one ever fought God and won.
All of us have the right to choose
what religious programs to watch.
The NBC should not deprive some
Christians who obtain spiritual
edification from watching telecast
of gospel miracles of such benefit,
more so when it is in agreement
with their faith. Those who claim
the miracles are fakes should
demonstrate the genuine for all to
see, nuclearboy hope you got something?

@Gombs:

Wonderful - you copied this thesis just for me?

Follow this sequence

PART ONE
1. Pastor chris shows miracles on tv
2. Nigeria says All aired miracles will now be verified
3. Pastor chris stops showing miracles.
4. WHY?

PART TWO

1. I ask Why on "NairaLand"
2. CEC members say any and all miracles were banned
3. I say no, government only said they will verify ANY SHOWN ONES
4. Jo says I am wrong (because he heard so from someone, I guess)
5. Azibulua jumps in to say I am not informed and mediocre
6. I showthat I am informed and right and that they were the wrong ones i.e. they LIED to support their pastor
7. I now say they exhibit wrong fruit and that the said fruit shows what kind of tree pastor chris is
8. I ask you to comment on Pastor Jo lying and Azibulua talking without knowledge because the Bible says be slow to speak

PART THREE

1. You say you could make no sense of what I wrote. Truth made NO sense to you
2. Then you copy a portion of the case 2 CE members brought against the NBC
3. But your essay has no bearing on what I asked and thus MAKES NO SENSE. IT IS ACTUALLY DAFT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING OF WHETHER NBC WAS RIGHT OR NOT. Rather, we are asking why the miracles suddenly disappeared when government said they will verify them.

Or would you say this essay you copied was a reply to my question about why baba chris ran away and why JO & Azibulua lied and if that is Christian behavior?

Joagbaje and Azibulua LIED openly. Is that Christian fruit? But see where you went to - you're trying to weigh a ton of fire, to smell the color of a shirt. I ask what is your name and instead of saying "Gombs", you start singing "We are the World". Am I sensible to spend time debating with such a person?

Dude, keep enjoying your ignorance - it offers you bliss

Gombs
your long post did nothing to address the issue.
Thanks for that section of constitution u put up there.
I must let u understand the issue on ground - verifiable healing or miracle
when a well known cripple or a blind man goes to ur CEC and receives his healing and this healing is certified by a doctor or people that know this man to be true then we have a clear case of verified and certified healing. But when the miracle CANNOT be verified in the case of a criple or a blind with no known address is claimed to be healed then it is termed unverified and uncertified healing that NBC is against.
NBC is never against preaching the genuine word of God and performing authentic miracles as u claime above

I dont know if i'm the only one reading nuclearboys post. I said this man says the truth, Azibalua was now contending with me asking what is the truth. Hey shift away from the doctrine for a moment and look at the material world with your eyes wide open Azibalua, you'l know truth.

@LoveKing:

You have mail.

Nuclearboy.
part one, asked why the miracles disappeared, refer to my post,. . .Pastor chris need not verify anything to you or any government,and meanwhile,t.b joshua too,they need not answer to anybody.like my post says,why didnt NBC give criterions for verifications or geniuity of a miracle.and since you know true miracles,well,i rest my case.
Part 2, why jo and azibulua 'lied'?cant say about them,didnt know what transpired btw you guys,but i wouldnt say they lied,i'd better say they didnt know better in your own way or you knew better in your own way
part 3. . . Miracles are act of faith,how can you explain faith scientifically?pastor chris need not prove anything,need he?i dont get your point,are you saying the miracles are fake due to his withdrawal from airing the miracle services,or that he's fraudulent due to his 'inability' to prove the miracles or that jo et al 'lied' to you?. . . And if i copied the post or not is not relevant,and i suggest you in study what NBC said was the reason for the ban.and you are making it sound like NBC did the right thing,are you?would you say jesus wouldnt have aired his miracles if such technology was available?i'd strongly recommend you read through my post,this time slowly, and pls,answer my question marked questions.cheers

LoveKing:


@nuclearboy

You always stand tall among all like an Iroko tree. Even when the wind blows, you never shake because your foundation is solid.

Nuclearboy. Okunrin meta fun ara ee. Nuclearboy holds no prisoners. He has them for breakfast

nuclearboy:

@Gombs:

[size=2pt]Wonderful - you copied this thesis just for me?  

Follow this sequence

PART ONE
1. Pastor chris shows miracles on tv
2. Nigeria says All aired miracles will now be verified
3. Pastor chris stops showing miracles.
4. WHY?

PART TWO

1. I ask Why on "NairaLand"
2. CEC members say any and all miracles were banned
3. I say no, government only said they will verify ANY SHOWN ONES
4. Jo says I am wrong (because he heard so from someone, I guess)
5. Azibulua jumps in to say I am not informed and mediocre
6. I showthat I am informed and right and that they were the wrong ones i.e. they LIED to support their pastor
7. I now say they exhibit wrong fruit and that the said fruit shows what kind of tree pastor chris is
8. I ask you to comment on Pastor Jo lying and Azibulua talking without knowledge because the Bible says be slow to speak

PART THREE

1. You say you could make no sense of what I wrote. Truth made NO sense to you
2. Then you copy a portion of the case 2 CE members brought against the NBC
3. But your essay has no bearing on what I asked and thus MAKES NO SENSE. IT IS ACTUALLY DAFT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING OF WHETHER NBC WAS RIGHT OR NOT. Rather, we are asking why the miracles suddenly disappeared when government said they will verify them.

Or would you say this essay you copied was a reply to my question about why baba chris ran away and why JO & Azibulua lied and if that is Christian behavior?

Joagbaje and Azibulua LIED openly. Is that Christian fruit? But see where you went to - you're trying to weigh a ton of fire, to smell the color of a shirt. I ask what is your name and instead of saying "Gombs", you start singing "We are the World". Am I sensible to spend time debating with such a person?[/size]

Dude, keep enjoying your ignorance - it offers you bliss

@e36991:

MASTER!!!!!!    You are back on NL? ?

nuclearboy:

@e36991:

MASTER!!!!!!    You are back on NL? ?

@nuclearboy

It takes one to know one, my fellow lord

Took a cue from InesQor but was in the neighbourhood so decided to do a pit stop

^^^ Abeg O

Nuclearboy is "boy" to those who tell the truth & NOT a Fellow to them OR Lord like them

Even Jo knows that truth & has said as much. Why are you and Inesqor (and Aletheia) joining the Archangel Viaro in avoiding NL? When truth is quiet, error screams

nuclearboy:

@Gombs:

"SACRED"means nervousness? Na im be say SALVATION means naira and kobo No wonder you're confused!

@Gombs,
Your wanting to take up the duty of an advocate for CE came rather too late, so many have tried it and failed.

Yes, miracles are supernatural acts of God, whilst we may not be able to explain how it happened, we cannot deny that it happened because just like a mature pregnancy in a woman, you cannot hide it.

In your long epistle, you ask if NBC can explain the miracle of the new birth but hey come on dude, we're talking about miracle healings and not miracles in the general sense. If a man was born blind and claims to have been healed, is it anything supernatural for us to know who this man is, who knew him as a blind man, who can confirm that he indeed can see. This was the case in the time of Jesus, people could relate to his miracles and no one time was Jesus accused of being fake because his works were evident for all to see; instead they said he was a sorcerer and that he exorcised demons by the power of Beelzebub. At one time when he healed some lepers, he asked them to go show themselves to the priests, this was a form of verification.
In the CE Healing School (that is if you've been there at all), miracle recipients are immediately whisked away from the general public and only released after the show is over.

Again, if you argue that the action by NBC is negatively impacting the faith of people, what about the several thousands or maybe millions that believe in this sham and end up worse off or maybe even die as a result. . . The evidence abound and you cannot deny it. The lives of innocent people is at stake here and the move by NBC is very much welcome.

Just in case your finger still itches and you want to talk more, why not address this long standing issue:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-193649.0.html