You're welcome Pharoh, I agree with you 100%. We need meaningful change  this time around. Not shallow activism. Save Nigeria, as you pointed out, looked promising but how useful is that group today?

cvibe:

Official debate is on 29th March

What makes it "official"? Tell me in all honesty that you're not interested in this debate geared towards youth affairs?

Debate! Debate! Debate!

If its by Debate,  the whole Nigeria should vote for Shekarau, because he beat those 2 other mallams hands down.

Shekarau looks like he has the solution to the problem in this country in his palms. But, unfortunately, he is not even in top 3

If its on channels then its viewable worldwide as long as there are internet connections. No fuss about that.The only people antagonising this great idea are those who support a candidate who wants a heads-up on questions to be asked.Frankly, no private or credible organisation will give in to that.It amounts to celebrating mediocrity and removes the beauty of spontaneity in answers.
Even those against this idea know there's something wrong with their stance, they are just too dishonest to admit that or are plainly against the progress of our dear country.
We will definitely be watching.

a vote 4 pdp=insanity.

lakeside4love:

a vote 4 pdp=insanity.

who do you want us to vote for?

Pharoh:

^^

We are talking about this debate.

I mean including the debate - - - I saw it live from my seat here, didn't I?

MeGaStReEt:

who do you want us to vote for?

I think he was straight in who you should not vote at all for. It is now up to you to decide from what you have left, which devil/angel to gamble on. But since PDP has failed you 12 years STRAIGHT-- NO PAUSE, like he said, it is INSANITY to cast a vote for them, yet again.

^^

People vote for individuals and not the party in the Nigerian context so there is no direct correlation between the failure of PDP and goodluck.

Kobojunkie:

I mean including the debate - - -  I saw it live from my seat here, didn't I?

There are some people who do not have internet or a reliable fast internet for watching the live debate.

Pharoh:

^^

People vote for individuals and not the party in the Nigerian context so there is no direct correlation between the failure of PDP and goodluck.

There are some people who do not have internet or a reliable fast internet for watching the live debate.

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That is the dumbest lie you have told so far. 

a) The man has been a card carrying member of the PDP Party

b) He surrounds himself daily with some of the most corrupt PDP members we have out there

c) He served 8 years at the state level under the PDP emblem, and 4 years at the national, again under PDP emblem.

d) He is currently running under the PDP umbrella

e) His rise to fame can only be credited to PDP -- Not even God gives people the sort of Luck without him at least requiring some measure of work put in by the receiver ( Look in the Bible to see that every single person who was blessed with promotion was actually required to WORK to make it happen).

f) In his 12 years as a politician in Nigeria, he cannot even lay claim to have contructed or even re-constructed to a great deal any highway both in his State and at the National level

yet, you have the audacity to insult yourself, thinking you insult my reasoning by offering that ridiculous and nonsensical lie to, of all people, me, as response? 
Please NEVER EVER try that again![/size]

This girl is fine. I'll love to marry her.

Kobojunkie:

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yet, you have the audacity to insult yourself, thinking you insult my reasoning by offering that ridiculous and nonsensical lie to, of all people, me, as response? 
Please NEVER EVER try that again![/size]

I said there is no direct correlation which does not remove the fact that belonging to pdp will affect him one way or the other.

People vote for individuals in the Nigerian context way beyond party affiliations and that is very evident.

Ribadu has most of his support because of his individual stewardship when he was still the EFCC chiarman and not based on the party which he belongs to now.

Buhari is riding based on his individual credibility and it definitely has nothing to do with the party he belongs to.

So in the Nigerian context people vote for individuals and not parties but i believe you are not getting my point.

Pharoh:

[size=14pt]I said there is no direct correlation which does not remove the fact that belonging to pdp will affect him one way or the other.

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Again, what part of do not lie do you not get? Even my 6 year-old niece would not dare make up such an illogical claim.

So by your argument, we can then absolve people like Obasanjo, Atiku, Ibori, Alamieshega, Bode George, Bankole etc. as well since according to your logic, there is no direct correlation there either? What sort of nonsense is this?

Kobojunkie:

I think he was straight in who you should not vote at all for. It is now up to you to decide from what you have left, which devil/angel to gamble on. But since PDP has failed you 12 years STRAIGHT-- NO PAUSE, like he said, it is INSANITY to cast a vote for them, yet again.

I will prefer to vote for Goodluck than vote for Ribadu or Buhari, Shekarau is my second choice after Goodluck, because to me, Rabadu and his brother Buhari are clueless and they dont know the problem in this country, so it will be diffcult for them to find solution if they dont know what the problem is.

Kobojunkie:

I think he was straight in who you should not vote at all for. It is now up to you to decide from what you have left, which devil/angel to gamble on. But since PDP has failed you 12 years STRAIGHT-- NO PAUSE, like he said, it is INSANITY to cast a vote for them, yet again.

I will prefer to vote for Goodluck than vote for Ribadu or Buhari, Shekarau is my second choice after Goodluck, because to me, Rabadu and his brother Buhari are clueless and they dont know the problem in this country, so it will be diffcult for them to find solution if they dont know what the problem is.

MeGaStReEt:

I will prefer to vote for Goodluck than vote for Ribadu or Buhari,  Shekarau is my second choice after Goodluck, because to me, Rabadu and his brother Buhari are clueless and they dont know the problem in this country, so it will be diffcult for them to find solution if they dont know what the problem is.

Again, let me help you cause I am beginning to think English might be the problem here . . . .

Mr A. has FAILED for 12 years straight  . . . . He failed even on his own for that long already -- therefore, Mr. A is definitely not what we need. His record  which is 12 years long( no pause) establishes that. Essentially expecting success out of Mr. A at this point is not a good idea since we know for a fact that he is highly incapable of anything different from/better than what he has delivered for the past 12 years. Now, voting again to have Mr. A continue, like the other guy said, is INSANITY!

So will Ebele be attending the D'banj concert? If I catch any youth at the D'banj concert I will give that youth a dirty slap. The Kokomaster should perform to an empty audience.

Kobojunkie:

Again, let me help you cause I am beginning to think English might be the problem here . . . .

Mr A. has FAILED for 12 years straight  . . . . He failed even on his own for that long already -- therefore, Mr. A is definitely not what we need. His record  which is 12 years long( no pause) establishes that. Essentially expecting success out of Mr. A at this point is not a good idea since we know for a fact that he is highly incapable of anything different from/better than what he has delivered for the past 12 years. Now, voting again to have Mr. A continue, like the other guy said, is INSANITY!

I guess you broke it down for him. If he does not understand this then he needs to go back to nursery or primary school to learn the alphabets.

The saying goes: how can you do the same thing and expect a different result? Put simply, how can you keep voting for PDP and expect a different result.

Kobojunkie:

Again, let me help you cause I am beginning to think English might be the problem here . . . .

Mr A. has FAILED for 12 years straight  . . . . He failed even on his own for that long already -- therefore, Mr. A is definitely not what we need. His record  which is 12 years long( no pause) establishes that. Essentially expecting success out of Mr. A at this point is not a good idea since we know for a fact that he is highly incapable of anything different from/better than what he has delivered for the past 12 years. Now, voting again to have Mr. A continue, like the other guy said, is INSANITY!

Failure is subject and goodluck has not failed in the eyes of his supporters coupled with other factors.

So can you good luck haters live in peace with the choice people has made and stick to yours?.

Kobojunkie:

Again, what part of do not lie do you not get? Even my 6 year-old niece would not dare make up such an illogical claim.

So by your argument, we can then absolve people like Obasanjo, Atiku, Ibori, Alamieshega, Bode George, Bankole etc. as well since according to your logic, there is no direct correlation there either? What sort of nonsense is this? 

Nobody is absolving anyone here because if you do not get the foundation of my argument then ask instead of making baseless conclusions.

There is no perfect party in Nigeria because they all contain bad elements but that does not negates the possibility of finding electable candidates from such parties which good luck happen to be in the eyes of his supporters.


Hope you can comprehend it now and i wonder why you have not been rolling on the floor today.

MeGaStReEt:

Debate! Debate! Debate!

If its by Debate,  the whole Nigeria should vote for Shekarau, because he beat those 2 other mallams hands down.

Shekarau looks like he has the solution to the problem in this country in his palms. But, unfortunately, he is not even in top 3

It's not all about debate, and unfortunately Shekarau does not have a worthy track record to match his oratorial skills. As kobojunkie has pointed out, we would effectively be choosing the lesser evil in whoever we decide to vote for, judging from a look at the calibre (or lack of it) of the aspirants. In my opinion, i think character and track record, coupled with the ability to demonstrate a feasible, realistic, monitorable well-thought out plan of action for the next 4 years should be some of the important attributes we should be looking at. Also charisma and international credibility. The days of empty promises that are not tied down to any timeline should be done with. We want to watch their promises unfold this time around, and to have a say in how these policies are shaped right from campaign days like now. Haba we're not cows now!

Princek12:

So will Ebele be attending the D'banj concert? If I catch any youth at the D'banj concert I will give that youth a dirty slap. The Kokomaster should perform to an empty audience.

You're my hero lol

Kobojunkie:

Again, let me help you cause I am beginning to think English might be the problem here . . . .

Mr A. has FAILED for 12 years straight  . . . . He failed even on his own for that long already -- therefore, Mr. A is definitely not what we need. His record  which is 12 years long( no pause) establishes that. Essentially expecting success out of Mr. A at this point is not a good idea since we know for a fact that he is highly incapable of anything different from/better than what he has delivered for the past 12 years. Now, voting again to have Mr. A continue, like the other guy said, is INSANITY!

Since you are beginning to think that English is the problem, why didn't you write in Yoruba? or Ibo, Urhobo or pidgin

naijangel7:

It's not all about debate, and unfortunately Shekarau does not have a worthy track record to match his oratorial skills. As kobojunkie has pointed out, we would effectively be choosing the lesser evil in whoever we decide to vote for, judging from a look at the calibre (or lack of it) of the aspirants. In my opinion, i think character and track record, coupled with the ability to demonstrate a feasible, realistic, monitorable well-thought out plan of action for the next 4 years should be some of the important attributes we should be looking at. Also charisma and international credibility. The days of empty promises that are not tied down to any timeline should be done with. We want to watch their promises unfold this time around, and to have a say in how these policies are shaped right from campaign days like now. Haba we're not cows now!

Just wondering what a girl who grew up above the poverty line in Nigeria------ Had the opportunity to school outside the shores of Nigeria--- spends most of her time outside the country would really want to ask the president---- No hard feelings please lets bring someone who knows what the average youth goes through to moderate abeg----

Ha. U want them to use me as moderator?
I'll leave my duty post and make a move for someone's neck in one fell swoop.
All my frustration go end that day o, same with most folks in the category of 'masses'.
Her selection to handle that couldn't be more apt abeg.

As an aside, there'll be an after-party, so instead of going to the 'kokolet concert', you can participate in the 'what about us' event and still have time to groove afterward. We're 'young' after all.

Pharoh:

Failure is subject and goodluck has not failed in the eyes of his supporters coupled with other factors. So can you good luck haters live in peace with the choice people has made and stick to yours?.

I am sorry! Failure is subjective? Please tell me you did not just vomit that nonsense!!!
First you said PDP has definitely failed, now you say Failure is subjective?
I am sorry, unlike you, I don’t need to engage my feelings in evaluating this man’s record as governor. Even in Nigeria, we do have standards we set for our leaders (Governors/ Deputies, VPs etc.). In any democracy, a successful governor is one who is able to produce output comparable to input(resources, time, funds etc).
I don’t need to look at the man, or even know his name to evaluate him or his record – all I need to look at is his record to show if he has failed or not, and any rational being would submit that his record SPEAKS VOLUMES OF his capability – NO FEELINGS NECESSARY. So for you to think that those who speak of his record are HATERS is confirmation that you are not looking at this LOGICALLY but are driven by SENTIMENTS like so many millions who will vote come April 9th, and the millions who also voted in the past to maintain the status quo.

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Good that you have hit the points yourself, we vote in Nigeria based on sentiments until the country is fixed before we can start voting logically. Just like some people are voting for ribadu and buhari logically so also some people are voting for them based on sentiments. Some are voting for goodluck logically and also through sentiments but in the present nigeria context sentiments is the order of the day.

Majority of those that will vote for buhari will do that on sentiments and same goes for goodluck but it doesn't apply so much for ribadu or maybe a fashola if he decides to run. We are all capable of voting logically and we do not even need debate to decide that as you said which i agree. But it is time you understand that majority of the votes for this coming election will be based on sentiments and it is those little minority that is crying on logic on the internet. Even some of the elites will vote based on sentiments and even logically for those that will protect their interest. We are not yet a developed society and this is not the time to fix it in my opinion because even the opposition are riding on a multitude of votes based on sentiments.

Pharoh:

^^ [size=14pt]Some are voting for goodluck logically[/size] and also through sentiments but in the present nigeria context sentiments is the order of the day.

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Highly improbable because, again . .  . his 12 YEAR RECORD shows he is NOT CAPABLE[/size]. So, there is next to no chance anyone is voting LOGICALLY for him, unless you are being PAID HIGHLY FOR IT . . ,  in that case, you are logically voting for your pocket sake!

See, all this back and forth is only to get you to OWN Jonathan's record as is. If you keep trying to DENY his record, then you show yourself one of those who were described in that quote, that is now known not belong to Prof Soyinka.

Kobojunkie:

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[b] you are logically voting for your pocket sake!

See, all this back and forth is only to get you to OWN Jonathan's record as is. If you keep trying to DENY his record, then you show yourself one of those who were described in that quote, that is now known not belong to Prof Soyinka.

Satisfying the pockets of some is the logical definition of their own dividends of democracy while solving the fuel scarcity is logical enough for people to vote for him again as the president. So that's why i told you that the failure you see in him is not the same failure other people sees in him. At this point in time records is irrelevant because the votes is about sentiments and individual definition of what is logically right. We will start voting based on logic when we get there as a nation but not in this situation where the opposition are those who came from a part of the country that was pushing for zoning and which is the primary basis for the support they have in that part of the country.

You can stay in the united states and keep on shouting logic and records while Nigerians do what they have been used to over the years until we get there as a nation before there will be a change. And to correct you on some wrong notion, please have i ever told you that i am supporting goodluck or that i am going to vote for him?.

Pharoh:

Satisfying the pockets of some is the logical definition of their own dividends of democracy while solving the fuel scarcity is logical enough for people to vote for him again as the president. So that's why i told you that the failure you see in him is not the same failure other people sees in him. At this point in time records is irrelevant because the votes is about sentiments and individual definition of what is logically right. We will start voting based on logic when we get there as a nation [size=14pt]but not in this situation where the opposition are those who came from a part of the country that was pushing for zoning[/size] and which is the primary basis for the support they have in that part of the country.

You can stay in the united states and keep on shouting logic and records while Nigerians do what they have been used to over the years until we get there as a nation before there will be a change. And to correct you on some wrong notion, please have i ever told you that i am supporting goodluck or that i am going to vote for him?.

Liar!!!! You are a Tribalist!!!!! Pharo or whatever you are called, top beating about the bush. You already confessed you are a Tribalist from the bolded.

Pharoh:

We are not yet a developed society and this is not the time to fix it in my opinion because even the opposition are riding on a multitude of votes based on sentiments.

MUMU!!! FOOL!!!!, so when do you want to fix the country?

After Jonathan the bowler hat wearing mumu candidate leaves? then another fool in babanriga will shout; it's my tribal turn!!! then after a rascally  will scream for his turn, then another singlet and wrapper wearing Olodo will scream na my time. So what will you say??

Confess, You are a blind mumu tribalist. Nobody will beat you on the internet. Blind tribalist! Anuofia!

Do the youths really know what they want?

Pharoh:

Satisfying the pockets of some is the logical definition of their own dividends of democracy while solving the fuel scarcity is logical enough for people to vote for him again as the president.

Sorry but fuel Scarcity has not been solved and was never really solved by Jonathan

a) If you look closely, you will see that increase in production was witnessed as far back as January 2009, now yes in November 2009, we hit a record of over 2 million barrels a day and have averaged that since then.

b) Increase in production capacity translates to increase in local supply – it is not rocket science really.

c) It is true that he probably had a hand in getting the prices more uniform across the country (no solid proof of that so far)BUT ending fuel scarcity, unless you can show that for a fact, I suggest you stay away from even attempting to give him that

Saying that is as silly as saying that Obama helping to ease the price of fuel today means Obama has helped end high gas prices, because the minute the price of oil shoots up and our supplies go low, we will back to the old prices in no time(unless Government chooses to subsidize the price forever).

Pharoh:

So that's why i told you that the failure you see in him is not the same failure other people sees in him.

Sorry, you are making nothing but a sentimental and baseless argument here. SENTIMENTS NEVER EQUATE TO LOGIC.

Pharoh:

At this point in time records is irrelevant because the votes is about sentiments and individual definition of what is logically right.

Individual definition? Nah!!! You can’t pick or chose for yourself what the definition of the rational is in this. Even if Jonathan Goodluck wins tomorrow, that will not negate the fact that many of those who voted for him did so out of sentiment and not some logical reason. If the majority of votes are cast out of sentiment and ethnic bigotry, then we will always state that for sure. It will never suddenly become LOGICAL.

It is like reading a report from Zimbabwe telling you that 98% of the people voted Mugabe in for another term. Now, you likely NEVER EVER SEE the words “IN A FREE AND FAIR” election in that same report, even though Mugabe is sworn in and no one even attempts to protest the results. ROFLMAO! You just cannot make it what it is obviously not!!!

Pharoh:

We will start voting based on logic when we get there as a nation but not in this situation where the opposition are those who came from a part of the country that was pushing for zoning and which is the primary basis for the support they have in that part of the country.

Keep thinking that way for yourself!

Pharoh:

And to correct you on some wrong notion, please have i ever told you that i am supporting goodluck or that i am going to vote for him?.

There are only two sides to this kind of debate – FOR Jonathan’s re-election OR AGAINST Jonathan’s re-election– you have clearly been FOR his re-election and have done your part to offer up sadly no logical apologies for his re-election. So, I hate to break it to you but that means you are a SUPPORTER. If you are trying to somehow weasel out of this, I say you are too late. Go back and read your own posts to understand why your last statement there may be seen as a DENIAL on your part.

Some people just love to deceive themselves, the Amaechi PDP loves to boast about was rigged out at the primaries by the same PDP, he had to fight his case in court to win and was never even voted in by the people.

I guess Amaechi decided to be different in that part of the country just to prove a point that it was wrong for PDP to rig him out of the primaries, if he had come in traditionally just like his PDP counterparts, he might have ended up the way of the rest PDP governor acting lord over their people.


If you're not for the oppositions, you're AUTOMATICALLY for the incumbent, no story!

@naijangel7
Thanks for replying my post. However, note that each aspirant has platform and their various program/agenda is visible to all. If all spoken words will be implemented is a question for another time. Even the debate cannot determine that ok.
A debate has never worked in this country let alone one that is organized by a youth. “the fear of youthful exuberance and inexperience  is a de facto that will scare them to come” quoting a political friend which is a youth like us. I do not doubt this guy’s capability and as a matter of fact I like their courage and vision.
Debate in niaja use to turn out confrontational, no decorum, shying away from the questions, attack and counter attack the worst is personal attacks.
I wish you guys well, but to me democratically and politically we are not there yet for such

And one thing, why the choice of channel tv? Average Nigeria doesn’t have access to that tv. Why don’t we look at a station where people at the remote can view the debate?