Bb is yet to give an answer to his nefarious butchering of some folks from south for drug related case without going through the legal means. Ibb was overtly feeding on drugs without bb pertubing him, so this goes a long way to apprise us the igbos of what bb harbours 4 us. I'm not even daunted with his candidacy cos I know that he's on the verge of breaking guinness record highest looser

Oil money

kasiem:

Bb is yet to give an answer to his nefarious butchering of some folks from south for drug related case without going through the legal means. Ibb was overtly feeding on drugs without bb pertubing him, so t[b]his goes a long way to apprise us the igbos of what bb harbours 4 us[/b]. I'm not even daunted with his candidacy cos I know that he's on the verge of breaking guinness record highest looser

@ You and all GEJ supporters

I have noticed that you all suppirt GEJ because of ethnic affiliation. I have also noticed that most of you say the highlighed(above) and do not talk  about Nigeria as a whole. Now, will a corrupt free, disciplined Nigeria not be good for everyone

If or when GEJ becomes the President and you all have satisfied your tribalistic and pro-regional conscience and leaves. What happens In 4years time, Nigeria will still be corrupt with people like OBJ and IBB still running things. All the partiality you are expecting from GEJ (if he is partial) will simply be reversed by another president, so what is the point of your short term gains

Wow, that is a clear bias. I dont think anyone can argue otherwise on those figures.

I would like to see the figures from the oil producing areas, and how much or little development they recieved under Buhari.

At the end of the day,the oil and all its money came from that area, so I don't see why we should be comparing what the yoruba states and northern states benefitted from recources coming from oil producing areas.

It is beginning to look like the north and west had their own "resource zoning arrangment".

I hope someone else can bring evidence that this was not the case under Buhari etc.

londoner:

Wow, that is a clear bias. I dont think anyone can argue otherwise on those figures.

I would like to see the figures from the oil producing areas, and how much or little development they recieved under Buhari.

At the end of the day,the oil and all its money came from that area, so I don't see why we should be comparing what the yoruba states and northern states benefitted from recources coming from oil producing areas.

[b]It is beginning to look like the north and west had their own "resource zoning arrangment".

I hope someone else can bring evidence that this was not the case under Buhari etc.

How did you come to that conclusion? We get it, the north and west conspired against the SS and the SE!!!!! The North and West ruined Nigeria etc! We totally get it. The East did everything to love the SS, abi?! Fine! The SE and SS should unite against Yoruba people, abi We totally get the drift!

I knew you were a tribalist. All that one you were doing yesterday was all a show. Now, your true colours are coming out!

@Jason 123, I totally agree with you, but consider if you will that we have been under years of tribalist, "regionalist" and religious politics which has shaped even where development and resoures are used in Nigeria ( no matter where they originated).

Those who have perpetrated and beneffited from that feature for the past fifty years can not turn around and preach to those who have been at the losing out end of the arrangment and request that they now spearhead the higher moral ground.

It is quite hypocritical. I do agree though that we need to steer away from this if we are to have a better future. There is also a space for admitting and redressing the discriminations or percieved discriminations of the past .

jason123:

How did you come to that conclusion? We get it, the north and west conspired against the SS and the SE!!!!! The North and West ruined Nigeria etc! We totally get it. The East did everything to love the SS, abi?! Fine! The SE and SS should unite against Yoruba people, abi We totally get the drift!

I knew you were a tribalist. All that one you were doing yesterday was all a show. Now, your true colours are coming out!

Calm down and read again. If you could address my former point it would be more constructive, rather than trying to create an argument in order to bypass the discussion.

I asked for the figures for the oil producing area (Niger Delta). if you have them please post them here.

Thanks

You forgot to highlight this last sentence from your quote,


I hope someone else can bring evidence that this was not the case under Buhari etc.

londoner:

@Jason 123, I totally agree with you, but consider if you will that we have been under years of tribalist, "regionalist" and religious politics which has shaped even where development and resoures are used in Nigeria ( no matter where they originated).

Those who have perpetrated and beneffited from that feature for the past fifty years can not turn around and preach to those who have been at the losing out end of the arrangment and request that they now spearhead the higher moral ground.

It is quite hypocritical. I do agree though that we need to steer away from this if we are to have a better future. There is also a space for admitting and redressing the discriminations or percieved discriminations of the past .

Which region has "perpetrated and benefited" for the past 5o yrs The answer is NONE! No region or ethnic group has benefited from anyone. Now, do you want to know the people that have benefited?? It is the elites and their children NOT a region or ethnic group. In fact, the son of a SE governor is in my UNI and we are quite close. If you see the car this guy drives What about the son of a Northern Governor The way the guy dresses to Uni alone . . . . trust me, these guys have MAD MONEY!!! Yet, the masses think it is a particular region that is the reason for their woos.
Politician have used ethnicity to blind -fold Nigerians while the truth is the North, SW, SE and SS politician have not been honest to their people especially the SE and SS. Take a look at Ibori, Alamesaghe*, Udughan*, Kalu, Ciroma, Akala etc. All these people just wipe up ethnic/regional sentiments to get what they want. Do you know that SS states receive the most revenue What have they done with their money All they tell you is, "Northerners have made us suffer" while their leaders are stashing money abroad. Its a shame!!!

If he did all this things in the past, he can still do it again( i mean being tribal)
or may be he is a changed person, I can I be sure. We don't know what is
on their mind untill they occupy the seat of the presidency.
choose wisely

londoner:

Calm down and read again. If you could address my former point it would be more constructive, rather than trying to create an argument in order to bypass the discussion.

I asked for the figures for the oil producing area (Niger Delta). if you have them please post them here.

Thanks

You forgot to highlight this last sentence from your quote,


I hope someone else can bring evidence that this was not the case under Buhari etc.

Under military rule
Thus in effect, we would have had a 79.3:11.3:9.4 percentage split between the three tiers of government.



Under the military dispensation, of the N35 billion special charges, N4.7 billion (1% of the N470 billion) would have been put in a Derivation pot, and 13% of that - N611 million – statutorily given to the oil-producing states.



Akwa Ibom would have received 22% of that N611 million – or N134 million. [In round numbers, from the oil derivation pot, Delta receives 30% monthly, Rivers and Bayelsa 18%; Ondo 7%; Imo 2.5%; Cross River 2.3%; Abia 1.4% and Edo the remainder !]

Under civilian rule

In absolute naira figures, how do the oil-producing states fare? In a trillion-naira budget, instead of getting from derivation ALONE:



(i) 30% of N700 billion (N210 billion), Delta would get N178.5 billion; a N22.5 billion shortfall.

(ii) 22% of N700 billion (N154 billion), Akwa-Ibom would get zero allocation ; a $154 billion shortfall.

(iii) 18% of N700 billion (N126 billion), Bayelsa and Rivers would each get N107 billion; a N19 billion shortfall.

(iv) 7% of N700 billion (N49 billion), Ondo would get N7.4 billion; a N41.6 billion shortfall.

(v) Cross-River, Abia and Imo, with onshore (or creek) oil, would lose no derivation money.

(vi) States with on-shore gas deposits would add those appropriate proportion of the gas revenues to their income.



48% of this shortfall is however RETURNED to ALL of the states and local governments – ie on average each of these states would recover only N0.5 billion from derivation alone!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Table 1: Allocations from Federation Account June 1999 to March 2002



Total Distributions (billion Naira)

June – Dec 2000 2001 Jan+Feb+March 2002

1999 [Derivation Only]



Delta (85/15) 2.0 24.7 41.7 1.996+1.633+2.447* = 6.076

A-Ibom (10/90) 2.6 19.7 31.0 1.466+1.200+1.794* = 4.460

Bayelsa (85/15) 2.0 15.9 26.5 1.210+0.990+1.485* = 3.685

Rivers (85/15) 2.6 17.7 30.2 1.210+0.990+1.485* = 3.685

Ondo (10/90) 2.0 10.2 17.2 0.469+0.384+0.576* = 2.429

Imo (100/0) 1.9 7.5 n/a 0.168+0.137+0.205* = 0.510

Abia (100/0) 1.7 6.2 11.2 0.093+0.076+0.114* = 0.283

Edo (100/0) 2.0 6.7 10.9 0.038+0.032+0.051* = 0.121



Total 15.8 108.6 168.7 6.651+5.442+8.157 = 20.250



Total Distributed 109.070+70.197+120.381 = 299.648

Total FGN 51.260+32.705+53.927= 137.892

Total State + FCT 33.077+22.303+39.047= 94.427

Total LG 21.141+13.489+24.347= 58.977

Total Special Funds 3.592+ 1.700+ 3.060= 8.352



Table 2: A Comparison of Total Federal, State and Local Government Revenue Allocation Ratios





Federal State LG

Military Era 79.3 11.3 9.4

[Oil-producing states derivation] (0.06%)

Civilian Pre-Supreme Court Ruling 74.3 18.1 7.6

[Oil producing states derivation] (13%)

Civilian Post-Supreme Court, No-Dichotomy 47.3 32.7 20.0

[Oil-producing states derivation] (13%)

Civilian Post-Supreme Court, Dichotomy 49.1 30.0 20.8

[Oil-producing states] (7.7%)









TABLE 3: Estimated Debt Table for States in Nigeria



1988 Debt 1988 Debt @

Dollar million Naira % total 2002 Billion Naira

(million) (at $1 : N7.00) (at $1 : N113)





SOUTH-EAST

Imo {+Abia+Ebonyi} 305.1 2,135.7 1.23 34.48

Anambra {+Enugu+Eb.} 296.5 2,075.5 1.19 33.50

Subtotal 601.6 4,211.2 2.42 67.98



SOUTH-WEST

Ondo {+ Ekiti} 219.6 1,537.2 0.88 24.81

Oyo {+Osun} 214.9 1,504.3 0.86 24.28

Lagos 104.1 728.7 0.42 11.76

Ogun 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Subtotal 538.6 3,770.2 2.16 60.85



SOUTH-SOUTH

Bendel {+Edo} 301.2 2,108.4 1.21 34.04

Rivers {+ Bayelsa} 148.8 1,041.6 0.60 16.81

Cross-River 65.8 460.6 0.26 7.44

Akwa-Ibom 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Subtotal 515.8 3,610.6 2.07 58.29



NORTH-CENTRAL

Benue } {+Nassarawa} 568.9 3,982.3 2.28 64.29

Plateau } 512.3 3,586.1 2.06 57.89

Kwara } {+ Kogi} 347.7 2,433.9 1.40 39.29

Niger 141.1 987.7 0.57 15.94

Subtotal 1,570.0 10,990.0 6.11 177.41



NORTH-WEST

Sokoto {+Zamfara+Kebbi}280.0 1,960.0 1.12 31.64

Kano {+Jigawa} 62.1 434.7 0.25 7.02

Kaduna 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Katsina 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Subtotal 342.1 2,394.7 1.37 38.66



NORTH-EAST

Gongola {=Adam.+Taraba}284.5 1,991.5 1.14 32.15

Borno {+Yobe} 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Bauchi {+Gombe} 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Subtotal 284.5 1,991.5 1.14 32.15



Total South 1,656.0 11,592.0 6.65 187.12

Total North 2,196.6 15,376.2 8.62 248.22



Grand Total States 3,852.6 26,968.2 15.27 435.34

[$3.8526 billion] [N26.9682 billion]



Federal Government (round figures):

ICM 14,200.0

Bilateral loans 1,800.0

World Bank 3,500.0

Total Federal 19,500.0



Rescheduled Principal 1,526.0

Capitalized Interest 29.1

SubTotal 1,555.1



Grand Total Federal $21.055 billion N147.385 billion 84.73 2,379



Grand Total Debt $24.9 billion N174.3 billion 100.00 2,813

@jason, since naija is hellbent on playing politics along ethnic lines i'll ever support the person who has the best intention for my marginalized area. Ok, why is beriberi limiting his campaign to the north without even pasting a single poster in the east? Why is it that all his jungle justice was carried out mostly on the southerners? Otu obuna esi kpoo egwu a ka anyi ga esi gbaa ya

Jason I do agree with you, that it seems to be the political elite that have benefitted no matter the tribe.

I would still like the figures for the oil producing areas and how they fared under Buhari.

That is what i would like to see. Sorry, but I'm not going to let you get me off my original point, just because you are annoyed at something I suggested in my opinion. I leave room for my assertion to have been incorrect.

How did the Niger Delta benefit or not under Buhari's PTF projects, ?

I would like to know, they may well have benefited alot. That is why I am asking for the info.

By the way I noticed, that when quoting my when I mentioned redressing discriminations and percieved discriminations of the past, you left the issue alone and replied asking me who benefitted or perpetrated?

You are on the defensive and in doing so are you suggesting that at no point in Nigeria history the oil producing areas have been discriminated against?

Is that what you are suggesting?

If I know that under the PTF the oil producing areas benefitted as much as the North, then I will be satisfied.

Because the PTF as I understand it was so closely linked to Nigeria's oil/oil producing region it is a relevant issue to discuss, especially as Buhari may well become president in less than a months time.

londoner:

Jason I do agree with you, that it seems to be the political elite that have benefitted no matter the tribe.

I would still like the figures for the oil producing areas and how they fared under Buhari.

That is what i would like to see. Sorry, but I'm not going to let you get me off my original point, just because you are annoyed at something I suggested in my opinion. I leave room for my assertion to have been incorrect.

How did the Niger Delta benefit or not under Buhari's PTF projects, ?

I would like to know, they may well have benefited alot. That is why I am asking for the info.

I posted it earlier but the spam bot banned me. I will repost them in just a sec.

jason54321:


I posted it earlier but the spam bot banned me. I will repost them in just a sec.

Thanks.

http://www.dawodu.com/aluko16.htm
For some reasons, I could not find my previous links but this should give you some insight it what is actually happening. We cannot continue to blame eachother while our leaders are enjoying and benefiting from the tribal resentments we have about eachother.

Under military rule
Thus in effect, we would have had a 79.3:11.3:9.4 percentage split between the three tiers of government.



Under the military dispensation, of the N35 billion special charges, N4.7 billion (1% of the N470 billion) would have been put in a Derivation pot, and 13% of that - N611 million – statutorily given to the oil-producing states.



Akwa Ibom would have received 22% of that N611 million – or N134 million. [In round numbers, from the oil derivation pot, Delta receives 30% monthly, Rivers and Bayelsa 18%; Ondo 7%; Imo 2.5%; Cross River 2.3%; Abia 1.4% and Edo the remainder !]

Under civilian rule

In absolute naira figures, how do the oil-producing states fare? In a trillion-naira budget, instead of getting from derivation ALONE:



(i) 30% of N700 billion (N210 billion), Delta would get N178.5 billion; a N22.5 billion shortfall.

(ii) 22% of N700 billion (N154 billion), Akwa-Ibom would get zero allocation ; a $154 billion shortfall.

(iii) 18% of N700 billion (N126 billion), Bayelsa and Rivers would each get N107 billion; a N19 billion shortfall.

(iv) 7% of N700 billion (N49 billion), Ondo would get N7.4 billion; a N41.6 billion shortfall.

(v) Cross-River, Abia and Imo, with onshore (or creek) oil, would lose no derivation money.

(vi) States with on-shore gas deposits would add those appropriate proportion of the gas revenues to their income.



48% of this shortfall is however RETURNED to ALL of the states and local governments – ie on average each of these states would recover only N0.5 billion from derivation alone!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Table 1: Allocations from Federation Account June 1999 to March 2002



Total Distributions (billion Naira)

June – Dec 2000 2001 Jan+Feb+March 2002

1999 [Derivation Only]



Delta (85/15) 2.0 24.7 41.7 1.996+1.633+2.447* = 6.076

A-Ibom (10/90) 2.6 19.7 31.0 1.466+1.200+1.794* = 4.460

Bayelsa (85/15) 2.0 15.9 26.5 1.210+0.990+1.485* = 3.685

Rivers (85/15) 2.6 17.7 30.2 1.210+0.990+1.485* = 3.685

Ondo (10/90) 2.0 10.2 17.2 0.469+0.384+0.576* = 2.429

Imo (100/0) 1.9 7.5 n/a 0.168+0.137+0.205* = 0.510

Abia (100/0) 1.7 6.2 11.2 0.093+0.076+0.114* = 0.283

Edo (100/0) 2.0 6.7 10.9 0.038+0.032+0.051* = 0.121



Total 15.8 108.6 168.7 6.651+5.442+8.157 = 20.250



Total Distributed 109.070+70.197+120.381 = 299.648

Total FGN 51.260+32.705+53.927= 137.892

Total State + FCT 33.077+22.303+39.047= 94.427

Total LG 21.141+13.489+24.347= 58.977

Total Special Funds 3.592+ 1.700+ 3.060= 8.352



Table 2: A Comparison of Total Federal, State and Local Government Revenue Allocation Ratios





Federal State LG

Military Era 79.3 11.3 9.4

[Oil-producing states derivation] (0.06%)

Civilian Pre-Supreme Court Ruling 74.3 18.1 7.6

[Oil producing states derivation] (13%)

Civilian Post-Supreme Court, No-Dichotomy 47.3 32.7 20.0

[Oil-producing states derivation] (13%)

Civilian Post-Supreme Court, Dichotomy 49.1 30.0 20.8

[Oil-producing states] (7.7%)









TABLE 3: Estimated Debt Table for States in Nigeria



1988 Debt 1988 Debt @

Dollar million Naira % total 2002 Billion Naira

(million) (at $1 : N7.00) (at $1 : N113)





SOUTH-EAST

Imo {+Abia+Ebonyi} 305.1 2,135.7 1.23 34.48

Anambra {+Enugu+Eb.} 296.5 2,075.5 1.19 33.50

Subtotal 601.6 4,211.2 2.42 67.98



SOUTH-WEST

Ondo {+ Ekiti} 219.6 1,537.2 0.88 24.81

Oyo {+Osun} 214.9 1,504.3 0.86 24.28

Lagos 104.1 728.7 0.42 11.76

Ogun 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Subtotal 538.6 3,770.2 2.16 60.85



SOUTH-SOUTH

Bendel {+Edo} 301.2 2,108.4 1.21 34.04

Rivers {+ Bayelsa} 148.8 1,041.6 0.60 16.81

Cross-River 65.8 460.6 0.26 7.44

Akwa-Ibom 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Subtotal 515.8 3,610.6 2.07 58.29



NORTH-CENTRAL

Benue } {+Nassarawa} 568.9 3,982.3 2.28 64.29

Plateau } 512.3 3,586.1 2.06 57.89

Kwara } {+ Kogi} 347.7 2,433.9 1.40 39.29

Niger 141.1 987.7 0.57 15.94

Subtotal 1,570.0 10,990.0 6.11 177.41



NORTH-WEST

Sokoto {+Zamfara+Kebbi}280.0 1,960.0 1.12 31.64

Kano {+Jigawa} 62.1 434.7 0.25 7.02

Kaduna 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Katsina 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Subtotal 342.1 2,394.7 1.37 38.66



NORTH-EAST

Gongola {=Adam.+Taraba}284.5 1,991.5 1.14 32.15

Borno {+Yobe} 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Bauchi {+Gombe} 0.0* 0.0 0.00 0.00

Subtotal 284.5 1,991.5 1.14 32.15



Total South 1,656.0 11,592.0 6.65 187.12

Total North 2,196.6 15,376.2 8.62 248.22



Grand Total States 3,852.6 26,968.2 15.27 435.34

[$3.8526 billion] [N26.9682 billion]



Federal Government (round figures):

ICM 14,200.0

Bilateral loans 1,800.0

World Bank 3,500.0

Total Federal 19,500.0



Rescheduled Principal 1,526.0

Capitalized Interest 29.1

SubTotal 1,555.1



Grand Total Federal $21.055 billion N147.385 billion 84.73 2,379



Grand Total Debt $24.9 billion N174.3 billion 100.00 2,813

Jason, thanks for the link, but it doesn't seem to include a breakdown of the works in the oil producing areas under the PTF projects under Buhari.

What I would like to see is the same information provided in the beginning of this thread for the south west and the north, but for other areas. I would like to know the figures under those same projects for the niger delta/oil producing areas.

Really happy to read he actually made impact with his office at PTF. The
north is still enjoying his projects till date. After all if the project funds had
found its way into his personal account like an average PDP loyalist, nothing
would have happened and he'll be highly celebrated in this age like GEJ's partners- Akala, George and so on!

Like Buhari like El Rufai like Nuhu Ribadu like all Northern/Hausa/Fulani overlords. They hardly see beyond their clans.

@ ptdf, buhari was an appointee of d govt as such we don't know wat his mandate was but asumin he was brought in to dev d north then he did wat was asked of him splendidly wit accountability.
But now d conditions are different, he is askin d whole country to select him to dev d country as such going by his honest and sincere nature, that's wat he'l do.
Besides wat did OBJ do about benin ore rd after eight yrs in power? And he was a southerner fa!

londoner:

Jason, thanks for the link, but it doesn't seem to include a breakdown of the works in the oil producing areas under the PTF projects under Buhari.

What I would like to see is the same information provided in the beginning of this thread for the south west and the north, but for other areas. I would like to know the figures under those same projects for the niger delta/oil producing areas.

I'm posting an excerpt from an article by yet another Yoruba man. Its usually best to get an inkling of the truth from an honest 3rd party:

The restiveness in the Niger Delta region would have been contained a bit if the funds under your supervision as PTF Chairman were used effectively to put in place good infrastructure in the oil producing areas, where you got the money from. Instead, between 80 – 90% of PTF’s activities were concentrated in the North-West sub-region, which is your home area. And in the South-East, the deplorable state of the federal roads there is more than enough proof that the PTF under your watch was more interested in other places. You did nothing there.

-Wale Adedayo,
Okeliwo, Oke Ife,
Ijebu Ife,

http://indepthafrica.com/news/westafrica/open-letter-to-general-muhammadu-buhari/

Any surprise why Buhari isn't even bothering to campaign in the South?

Methinks some partisan politicians hv invaded Nairaland - does any1 else perceive same?

@beaf, just be equable after we must've gotten the centre, we'll make our leader here 4 ur commendable contributions

why is buhari not campaigning in the south?

BB would fail the 3rd time

Pharoh:

why is buhari not campaigning in the south?

Are Ibadan, Port-Harcourt, Oweri, Abeokuta, Lagos he campaigned last week located in the North?


[size=24pt]Vote Buhari-Bakare 2011[/size] for the future of our children

Solomon227:

Are Ibadan, Port-Harcourt, Oweri, Abeokuta, Lagos he campaigned last week located in the North?

So there are only five places in the whole south right?

Was umaru dikko too an Igbo man?

Pharoh:

So there are only five places in the whole south right?

Sorry we are not public thieves like PDP/GEJ. We rely solely on our good name and donations from individuals so we optimise our resources based on exigencies and strategy and still strive to reach all the corners of the nation.

GOODLUCK EBERE JONATHAN GEJ FOR MY VOTE, by God's Grace He shall come the clear winner, haters keep hating

BB my assss.
I'm sorry for Jarus that has created
about 30 ID's to support Buhari.

Sorry, Buhari will lose again.