SeriouslySense:
Can you even explain, what you believe in, that is a start.

But, no you keep rambling like you know perfectly, .

And that it will be known perfectly after reading those verse, which i read, and then you say its the spirit that will explain, since its too much for you to explain some details.

sunnybobonwa:
Why I stopped attending Catholic churches in Nigeria - Chimamanda Adichie



https://lifestyle.thecable.ng/chimamanda-why-i-stopped-attending-catholic-churches-in-nigeria/

Makavelli25:
How come I am following you. You sound dumb

LaEvilIMiss:
BTC has arrived in some churches guys how do you expect the mansions in heaven to be built

Charity85:
Chiamanda states she is a Catholic by nomenclature. I don't really think there is anything as such. She says she doesn't believe in the Sacrament of Penance (Confession). You see, if you are a Catholic, you are bound to believe in all the articles of the Catholic faith as summarized in the Nicene Creed or the Apostle's Creed. You don't decide which of the doctrines suit you to believe. Meanwhile as a Catholic, your role model should be on those who have ran the race to the finish and gained the prize of eternal life and not on those still on the way. This is the reason we believe in the communion of the Saints and there are many of them, in all nations of the world and even in our country Nigeria

leadzeal:
Religion in general, is a school you should graduate from as soon as you can so has to discover your very own spiritual path ordained for you from the beginning.

Religion can NEVER lead you to God, only spirituality can perceive God; for God is Spirit.

It is only one of the means and never the End. If you see it has the end, you will never understand your being and consequently God.

Glad Adichie is coming to that understanding.

sunnybobonwa:
Why I stopped attending Catholic churches in Nigeria - Chimamanda Adichie



https://lifestyle.thecable.ng/chimamanda-why-i-stopped-attending-catholic-churches-in-nigeria/

Sagaciousp:
I'm not a Catholic, but one church in Nigeria I admire most is the Catholic Church.
There is this Catholic Church close to my residence, they have a mini flat(Bungalow) close to the Church auditorium, this house has housed a non Catholic with his six children for more than three years now. Every Sunday mass will be ongoing and the man and his family would dress and pass right in front of the church auditorium to living faith church(Winners chapel) where they worship.

Which other denomination tolerates such?

2cribz:
I dropped out from catholic church in 2010.
Its a coven,withcraft,they are demonic,rev father sexing all the sisters,cumin in them,rev fsther smokes in pub shortly after mass u go dey perceive ciga,they drink beer openly during harvest and bazaar,yhere is nothing anu bastard catholic will tellme again. They turn the bible upside down and they dont use bible,its forbidden. All they do is to rewrie and modify bible verses inside one useless bulletin. Catholics worship mary and idolise her a lot,to them jesus christ is secondary. Mary is first. Dumb fools hell bound.. hail mary full of grace,tha lord is with u,i can recite all they stupid useless boring prayers. Idols and withches full catholic church

Frustrated007:
this woman digusts me on every level
Wasn't she the one who said she couldn't take her husband's last name?

give Nigerian woman small power and influence and watch her start trampling on everybody

imagine the insult! She no even respect the man.
If her husband was dangote or bill gates will she say the same thing?
Probably not
I pity the useless doctor that married her, the guy nah fooooooooool !!!!!!!
I go sacrifice my freedom marry woman she go dey tell me say she no fit take my last name
Kuku marry your father then!

Hassanmaye:

Lol that's the other gender for you I don't pity women

DiamondJude:


First and very importantly there is no where in the Catholic doctrine that says it's a most to pray through Mary or the saint's. Though the Church encourages devotion to Mary and the saints.

Agreed the saints and our mother Mary isn't omnipresent but I'm sure you will agree that Mary and all the saints are with God in heaven and there is nothing wrong in God sharing His nature and qualities with them and even when needed He can give them that ability to hear prayers of the people directed through them.

DiamondJude:



In revelation 8: 4 the Bible tells us that
And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

This is to show that our prayers are taken up to God, God is Holy and our prayers are often filled with selfishness and need's to be purified before getting to God, so angels do that work and I'm sure the saint's aren't idle in heaven sipping Champagne, they partake in the ministry of heaven too just like the angels, if the angels can offer our prayers to God so too can Mary and the saints.

The book of Revelation shows the saints worshipping God, singing hymns, playing instruments, making requests to Christ to avenge their martyrdom, and [b]offering prayers for the saints on earth (Rev. [/b]4:10, 5:8, 6:9-11).

DiamondJude:


ARTICLE
The Bible Supports Praying to the Saint
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Most “Bible-believing” Christians object to the Catholic practice of praying to the saints. These critics worry that Catholics will go to hell for offending God with a neo-pagan system of worship. They have four main criticisms of the custom, all of which they push forward vigorously.

First, they accuse Catholics of worshipping Mary and the other saints. This violates the first commandment: “You shall not have any other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3).

Additional proof that Catholics worship the saints is that they make statues of them, in violation of the next commandment: “You shall not make for yourself an idol or any image which is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters which are under the earth; you shall not bow down and serve them because I am the Lord your God” (Ex. 20:4-5). Catholics make statues of the saints whom they worship, thereby committing the double sin of polytheism and idolatry.

The second objection to praying to the saints is that, even if Catholics do not worship the saints, they are at least calling upon the spirits of the dead. Scripture explicitly forbids conjuring the dead in many passages:


“Do not turn to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek defilement among them” (Lev. 19:31). “The soul who turns to mediums and to familiar spirits to go whoring after them, I will set my face against that soul and cut him off from the midst of his people” (Lev. 20:6). “The man or the woman who becomes a medium or a familiar spirit will surely die; they will cast stones at them; their blood will be on themselves” (Lev. 20:27). “Let there not be found among you one who makes his son or his daughter pass through fire, a diviner of divinations, an occultist, a charmer, an enchanter, one who casts spells, or one who questions mediums or familiar spirits, or one who seeks the dead” (Deut. 18:10-11). Since the saints are all dead, no one is allowed to consult them without breaking these biblical laws.

A third objection is that there is only one mediator with the Father, Jesus Christ. “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, a man, Jesus Christ, who has given himself as a ransom for all, the testimony in its own time” (1 Tim. 2:5-6). Jesus Christ is fully satisfactory as the mediator between sinners and God. No one should ever ask the saints for intercession.

A fourth objection is that the Bible does not instruct Christians to honor the saints, seek their intercession, or keep their relics. Without any biblical injunction to perform these things, a Christian risks displeasing God.

The Catholic Church always has taught that a Christian can worship only God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. No creature, no matter how good or beautiful–no angel, no saint, not even the Virgin Mary–deserves adoration.

This is the teaching of the creeds (Apostles’ Creed: “I believe in one God”; Nicene Creed: “We believe in one God”) and the catechisms (Baltimore Catechism, question 199: “By the first commandment we are commanded to offer to God alone the supreme worship that is due him”) and the Church councils (Nicaea, in 325; Rome in 382; Toledo in 675; Lateran IV in 1215; Lyons in 1274; Florence in 1442; Trent from 1545-1563; Vatican I from 1869-1870).

The Catholic Church condemns polytheism and idolatry alike. Pope Dionysius condemned the division of the one God into three gods, for there can be only one God, not three (Letter to Dionysius of Alexandria, A.D. 260). Pope Damasus I condemned the worship of other gods, angels, or archangels, even when God gave them the name of “god” in the Bible (Tome of Damasus, approved at the Council of Rome, 382).

John Damascene’s Apologetic Sermons Against Those Who Reject Sacred Images gives an authentic presentation of the Catholic attitude towards statues and pictures of Mary and the saints: “If we were making images of men and thought them gods and adored them as gods, certainly we would be impious. But we do not do any of these things.”

The Baltimore Catechism, question 223, confirms this by teaching: “We do not pray to the crucifix or to the images and relics of the saints, but to the persons they represent.”

Catholic doctrine absolutely rejects the worship of anyone but God and rejects all worship of statues, whether of Christ or the saints. What the Church does allow is praying to the saints in order to ask for their intercession with the one true God. The Church also allows one to make statues to remind a person of Christ or the saint:

“Further, the images of Christ, of the Virgin Mother of God, and of the other saints are to be kept with honor in places of worship especially; and to them due honor and veneration is to be paid–not because it is believed that there is any divinity or power intrinsic to them for which they are reverenced, nor because it is from them that something is sought, nor that a blind trust is to be attached to images as it once was by the Gentiles who placed their hope in idols (Ps. 135:15ff); but because the honor which is shown to them is referred to the prototypes which they represent.

“Thus it follows that through these images, which we kiss and before which we kneel and uncover our heads, we are adoring Christ and venerating the saints whose likenesses these images bear” (Council of Trent, Session XXV, Decree 2).

This mirrors the Old Testament attitude. Soon after they received the commandment prohibiting the making of images for worship, the Israelites were told by the Lord to “make two cherubim of beaten gold; you will make them for the two ends of the covering [of the Ark of the Covenant]” (Ex. 25:18). After many Israelites suffered punishment in the form of snakebite, at the Lord’s instruction “Moses made the bronze serpent and he set it upon a pole, and it happened that if a serpent bit a man, and he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived” (Num. 21:9).

The gold cherubim and the bronze serpent were not objects of worship. The cherubim symbolized the presence of God’s angels at the Ark of the Covenant, and the bronze serpent was God’s means of healing the people of poisonous snakebite. So too do Catholics make statues to represent the presence of the saints and angels in churches, homes, and elsewhere.

The Bible teaches that the attempt to contact the dead through seances and mediums is a serious sin. The Catholic Church, being a Bible-believing Church (actually, of course, it’s more than that–the Catholic Church is the one and only Bible-writing Church), condemns all forms of superstition and conjuring the dead.

The Baltimore Catechism explains the seriousness of the sin of superstition: “Superstition is by its nature a mortal sin, but it may be venial either when the matter is slight or when there is a lack of full consent to the act” (question 212).

When the Catholic Church encourages devotion and prayer to the saints, in no way does it intend for its members to practice some form of superstition. Never does the Church instruct the faithful to conjure the spirits of the saints to carry on some two-way communication. There are no seances that try to make them appear, speak messages, tap tables, or anything of the sort.

The faith of the Church is that the saints are not really dead, but are fully alive in Jesus Christ, who is life itself (John 11:25; 14:6) and the bread of life who bestows life on all who eat his flesh and drink his blood (John 6:35, 48, 51, 53-56). The saints are alive in heaven because of the life they have received through their faith in Christ Jesus and through their eating of his body and blood.

The book of Revelation shows the saints worshipping God, singing hymns, playing instruments, making requests to Christ to avenge their martyrdom, and offering prayers for the saints on earth (Rev. 4:10, 5:8, 6:9-11).

Because they are alive, we believe that we can go to them to intercede for us with God. We do not need to see apparitions or hear their voices in order to believe they will pray for us in heaven. We trust that the saints will accept our requests for help and will present them to Christ for us.

The Catholic Church has always believed that Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. It is the death and resurrection of Jesus alone by which people are saved.

In 449 Pope Leo the Great wrote his Tome against Eutyches, who taught that Jesus Christ had only one nature, not two. (This was the heresy of monophysitism.) In the Tome, which the Council of Chalcedon accepted as the authentic Catholic teaching on Christ, he quotes 1 Timothy 2:5 as the authentic Catholic doctrine: “Hence, as was suitable for the alleviation of our distress, one and the same mediator between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus, was both mortal and immortal under different.aspects.”

The fifth session of the Council of Trent (1546) laid out the belief in Jesus the one true mediator as the norm of Catholic faith: “[Original sin cannot be] taken away through the powers of human nature or through a remedy other than the merit of the one mediator, our Lord Jesus Christ, who reconciled us to God in his blood, having become our justice, and sanctification, and redemption.”

The schema of the Dogmatic Constitution on the Principal Mysteries of the Faith, drafted for the First Vatican Council (1869-1870), includes the unique mediation of Jesus Christ as one of these principal mysteries: “Truly, therefore, Christ Jesus is mediator between God and man, one man dying for all; he made satisfaction to the divine justice for us, and he erased the handwriting that was against us. Despoiling principalities and powers, he brought us from our longstanding slavery into the freedom of sons.”

These quotations from official Catholic documents give unambiguous proof that the Church believes Jesus Christ and no other is the one mediator between sinful humanity and the righteous God. How does the Church integrate this essential doctrine of the faith with the belief that we can pray to the saints?

First, God expects us to pray for one another. We see this in both the Old and New Testaments.

In a dream, God commanded King Abimelech to ask Abraham to intercede for him: “For [Abraham] is a prophet and he will pray for you, so you shall live” (Gen. 20:7). When the Lord is angry with Job’s friends because they did not speak rightly about God, he tells them, “Let my servant Job pray for you because I will accept his [prayer], lest I make a terror on you” (Job 42:.

Paul wrote to the Romans: “I exhort you, brothers, through our Lord Jesus Christ and through the love of the Spirit, to strive with me in prayers to God on my behalf, that I may be delivered from the disobedient in Judaea and that my ministry may be acceptable to the saints in Jerusalem, so that in the joy coming to you through the will of God I may rest with you” (Rom. 15:30-32).

James says: “Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects” (James 5:16-17). Thus, according to Scripture, God wants us to pray for one another. This must mean that prayer for one another cannot detract from the role of Jesus Christ as our one mediator with God.

Second, the reason that Christians have the power to pray for one another is that each person who is baptized is made a member of the Body of Christ by virtue of the Holy Spirit’s action in baptism (1 Cor. 12:11-13). It is because the Christian belongs to Jesus Christ and is a member of his Body, the Church, that we can make effective prayer.

The reason we pray to the saints is that they are still members of the Body of Christ. Remember, the life which Christ gives is eternal life; therefore, every Christian who has died in Christ is forever a member of the Body of Christ. This is the doctrine which we call the Communion of the Saints. Everyone in Christ, whether living or dead, belongs to the Body of Christ.

From this it follows that a saint in heaven may intercede for other people because he still is a member of the Body of Christ. Because of this membership in Christ, under his headship, the intercession of the saints cannot be a rival to Christ’s mediation; it is one with the mediation of Christ, to whom and in whom the saints form one body.


Regarding the documents about Mary your claim is not accurate before in the Mass which is the highest form of Catholic prayers, Mary is not mentioned not more than thrice and She is mentioned together with the apostle's, Mary is the first Apostle. And moreover any honour given to Mary is honour given to her son Jesus. When Elizabeth praised Mary, what did Mary did? She sang the magnificant (My souls glorifies the Lord).

Bros the Catholic church gave us the Bible, there is no teaching in the Catholic church that the Bible contradicts. It may not be written explicitly but if you dig well you will discovery the bible doesn't condemn any Catholic teaching.

I will love for us to examine all of your doctrinal issues in more details if you will permit

majamajic:
If u want marry urgently this new year , just attend Catholic morning service in your village tomorrow , u go see fin fin homely girls to pick from , pay her bride price next day . Very simple !

musicwriter:


Very correct my brother!. Very correct.

Religions and their so called holy books are all like the nursery school about God. It stunts the spirituality of the believer and keeps him/her like a kid forever in nursery school and won't allow the adherent grow up in spirit. I was watching TB Joshua and Adeboye the other day and I just pitied them. They're like adult-children. They neither understand what they're doing nor would they allow others understand it.

I was thinking about it the other day and it appears religion was deliberately designed to mislead humanity away from God because in ancient times, people all over the world actually already believed in the Christ principle when it wasn't called Jesus. Different cultures across the world already called it Horus in Africa, Krishna and Buddha in India, Dionysus in Greece, even Mithra in Rome itself. All cultures already believed in the Christ principle but it wasn't called Jesus. Christianity is actually the reason people don't believe in Jesus all over the world today anymore!!. This's the irony of all irony.

No wonder the moment someone becomes spiritual even inside the church or mosque, the first thing they do is quit religion........ and that's actually when the real quest for God begins.

sunnybobonwa:
Why I stopped attending Catholic churches in Nigeria - Chimamanda Adichie



https://lifestyle.thecable.ng/chimamanda-why-i-stopped-attending-catholic-churches-in-nigeria/

SeriouslySense:
it becomes dangerous when you dwell in mysticism, because this is where it becomes vague, and people inject anything into it, when you are talking about the spirit, don't make it sound mystic, it based on understanding the bible, it based on principles, that it should be fulfilled, because you are walking closely with our creator.

silibaba:
is the last super not ritual?

silibaba:
through Jesus right?

then read Hebrew 9 and 10 very deeply

BluntTheApostle:


Sorry for the late response.

The Last Supper was meant to be commemorated. It is at best a commemorative ritual.

But I am not against rituals in Christianity, especially when they are more of commemoration than man's doctrines which have taken over many of today's churches, especially the Catholic Church.

They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules (Mark 7:7)

BluntTheApostle:


Yes, through Jesus, and Jesus alone.

What contrary subject was discussed in Hebrew 9 and 10?

If there is another Way aside through Jesus Christ, then the death of Christ would be meaningless.

If there are other ways except through Christ, then it means Christ died in vain.

Nodogragra4me:



Because it has been there doesn't make it right.

As a former Catholic I can declare that the church puts financial pressures on membership and panders to the men and family with the financial muscle .

silibaba:


remember, he said do it in memory of me?

that mean continuous eating and drinking of his blood is paramount

BluntTheApostle:


Yes, He did say that. But He didn't say "do this to get saved".

As long as there are sufficient enough materials to remember Jesus by, breaking the bread is not paramount to our faith.



Not necessarily.

The Last Supper is more symbolic than ritualistic.

The grace we enjoy is enough to make us always remember the death of Christ.

For the fact that we no longer need to burn cattle to atone for our sins, is enough commemoration of the death of Christ on its own.

Do you really need everyday communion to remember the suffering and death of Christ?

dont be deceived by grace.

you will pay heavily for any sin you comit

silibaba:
you can only make heaven if you die as a catholic. aside catholic, no church can take you to heaven

sunnybobonwa:
Why I stopped attending Catholic churches in Nigeria - Chimamanda Adichie



https://lifestyle.thecable.ng/chimamanda-why-i-stopped-attending-catholic-churches-in-nigeria/