lucky999:

Are you an atheist?

no I'm not.

budaatum:

Is it not your point that I don't have the freewill to paint my body if I want to, or are you just pained that my creators relationship to me is not the same as you have to "your car, phone or Tv"?

My point was Very VERY Clear, which is Your Creator Always Owns You and You can not (or rather should not) DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE, if you like yourself, just as a TV or Phone which does whatever it likes, shall be put in the incinerator!

Kobojunkie:
Again... If you do not have a meaningful rebuttal to post, go ahead. Just don't pretend we are forced to engage you when you do nothing but ramble on and on.

I have rebutted your presentation which is to the effect that "God is not against tattoos" by presenting The Law of God Prohibiting Tattoos.

Then, you sought to defend it by saying The Lord Jesus Christ cancelled The Commandments, which I Countered that The Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ, was and is About The Commandments.

So, now therefore, it is you who should Counter that not I.

Kobojunkie:

As I made it clear in my response, God has declared no rules against body inking as far as followers of Jesus Christ are concerned. If you have evidence that shows that Jesus Christ did indeed command against it, post exactly this as your evidence, or move on.

Let me look through His Teachings and show you where He Covered it!

And this of course it is in the view that you wish to hide under the Fact that The Lord Jesus, "appeared not to talk about every subject of The Law in His Teachings but, He still Covered Them All!

I"ll be back with the Answer!

Dtruthspeaker:

I have rebutted your presentation which is to the effect that "God is not against tattoos" by presenting The Law of God Prohibiting Tattoos.
Then, you sought to defend it by saying The Lord Jesus Christ cancelled The Commandments, which I Countered that The Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ, was and is About The Commandments.
So, now therefore, it is you who should Counter that not I.
Let me look through His Teachings and show you where He Covered it!
And this of course it is in the view that you wish to hide under the Fact that The Lord Jesus, "appeared not to talk about every subject of The Law in His Teachings but, He still Covered Them All!
I"ll be back with the Answer!

Jesus Cancelled the commandments? You countered that the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ was and is about the commandments? Are you alright at all?
Go back to that link I posted and read through it well to understand why and how none of what you have here would make sense to me. You drivelled on and on that thread too, as if you had a clue what you was being discussed but I see you remain just as clueless even here about these things.

Dtruthspeaker:


My point was Very VERY Clear, which is Your Creator Always Owns You and You can not (or rather should not) DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE, if you like yourself, just as a TV or Phone which does whatever it likes, shall be put in the incinerator!

"Or rather should not"?

Is that you recognising my freewill to choose unlike your "TV or phone"?

truespeak:

This here is not so, thus i cease from speaking!

Good to see you exercising your freewill.

Kobojunkie:

As I made it clear in my response, God has declared no rules against body inking as far as followers of Jesus Christ are concerned. If you have evidence that shows that Jesus Christ did indeed command against it, post exactly this as your evidence, or move on.

Thank God you Always State Mathew as your basis of Christ's Teachings to others, so here is Mathew's!

Mathew 5:33-38 particular 36: "Neither shalt thou swear by your head," (None of these things including you are thine own. They All Belong to God, including You, body and all!)

"... Offer the gift that MOSES COMMANDED..." Math. 8:4

"This is The Law and the Prophets Math. 7:12

"...The very hairs of your head are all numbered" Math 10:30 (You are Owned and you own not thyself)

"WHY DO YE ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD... FOR GOD COMMANDED .. " Math.15:3/4.

Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Math 20:15

Ye Do Err not knowing the Scriptures (The Commandments) Math 22:29.

Mathew 22:34-40[b] "THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD..."[/b]

John. 14.:15 "IF YE LOVE ME, keep my commandments"

I rest!

Dtruthspeaker:

Thank God you Always State Mathew as your basis of Christ's Teachings to others, so here is Mathew's!

Mathew 5:33-38 particular 36: "Neither shalt thou swear by your head," (None of these things including you are thine own. They All Belong to God, including You, body and all!)

"... Offer the gift that MOSES COMMANDED..." Math. 8:4

"This is The Law and the Prophets Math. 7:12

"...The very hairs of your head are all numbered" Math 10:30 (You are Owned and you own not thyself)

"WHY DO YE ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD... FOR GOD COMMANDED .. " Math.15:3/4.

Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Math 20:15

Ye Do Err not knowing the Scriptures (The Commandments) Math 22:29.

Mathew 22:34-40[b] "THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD..."[/b]

John. 14.:15 "IF YE LOVE ME, keep my commandments"

I rest!

What exactly am I supposed to do with this cobbled up mess you have here? Are you so desperate that you would go as far as to twist the very Word of God Himself to justify your stance in this?

You know what? Goodluck!

harmargedon:
no I'm not.

Then who are you, what's your religion?

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes! Just as your car, phone or Tv can not paint themselves without your permission, so also can you not do anything which your creator has prohibited you from doing.

Your Creator Always Owns You and you commit an Offence Against Him when you Disobey Him!

It is not your fellow creation who you offend just as the painting of 1 Corolla is Independent from another Corrollas factory colour.

If tattoo is a sin what of those that draw tattoo on their skin and later realize it was a sin then they ask God to forgive them fully knowing that the ink of the tattoo is permanent on their skin. Will God forgive them?

And before you Quote me remember that Jesus said if you sin against the father you will be forgiven, if you sin against the son you will be forgiven but if you sin against the holy spirit you will not be forgiven.

Kobojunkie:
What exactly am I supposed to do with this cobbled up mess you have here? Are you so desperate that you would go as far as to twist the very Word of God Himself to justify your stance in this?

You know what? Goodluck!

If you do not know what to do with it, that is your problem but you asked "If you have evidence that shows that Jesus Christ did indeed command against it, post exactly this as your evidence, or move on."

I have posted and now I move on!

lucky999:


If tattoo is a sin what of those that draw tattoo on their skin and later realize it was a sin then they ask God to forgive them fully knowing that the ink of the tattoo is permanent on their skin. Will God forgive them?

And before you Quote me remember that Jesus said if you sin against the father you will be forgiven, if you sin against the son you will be forgiven but if you sin against the holy spirit you will not be forgiven.

I was going to supply that too but with the addition, that Forgiveness is at the Discretion and Pleaaure of the Offended, so I would not go into that territory. That is Exclusively God's Jurisdiction!

And besides, this thread is about if God Prohibited Tattoos, to which I say, YES, but kobojunkie says "No" even in spite of The Law!

budaatum:


"Or rather should not"?

Is that you recognising my freewill to choose unlike your "TV or phone"?

As I said, Freewill is Only Excercisable within Limits of the Power GIVEN to a creation.

Dtruthspeaker:


As I said, Freewill is Only Excercisable within Limits of the Power GIVEN to a creation.

Like the so called creation tattooing its body which it obviously can exercisably do.

budaatum:

Is it not your point that I don't have the freewill to paint my body ..

My Point and the Ops Question is About the Prohibition or Lack, of the Exercise of the ability given you by our Creator and not about ability to freely use and exercise the power given you, which you wish to Sneakily Change the Ops Question to.

This my Point is OUR CREATOR HAS PROHIBITED the Use of the power given you, in a certain way!

Dtruthspeaker:


My Point and the Ops Question is About the Prohibition or Lack, of the Exercise of the ability given you by our Creator and not about ability to freely use and exercise the power given you, which you wish to Sneakily Change the Ops Question to.

This my Point is OUR CREATOR HAS PROHIBITED the Use of the power given you, in a certain way!

The op's question has not disappeared

lucky999:


Now my question is, is God against tattoos?

And neither has your answer where you made it sound like humans are as freewilless as "your car, phone or Tv" which obviously "can not paint
themselves without your permission", but which a human can do without permission specifically because it has the freewill to do so if it wants to even if it is an offence to do so.

Dtruthspeaker:

Yes! Just as your car, phone or Tv can not paint themselves without your permission, so also can you not do anything which your creator has prohibited you from doing.

Your Creator Always Owns You and you commit an Offence Against Him when you Disobey Him!

It is not your fellow creation who you offend just as the painting of 1 Corolla is Independent from another Corrollas factory colour.

Below is my response to the op.

budaatum:

That God would need to be petty if painting the body matters more than painting the heart and the soul.

Kobojunkie:
What exactly am I supposed to do with this cobbled up mess you have here? Are you so desperate that you would go as far as to twist the very Word of God Himself to justify your stance in this?

You know what? Goodluck!

See your unstable soul?

When it suits your answer you say

Kobojunkie:
Gambling is not listed as a sin anywhere in the Bible... not even in the Teachings of Jesus Christ Himself, so it is not a sin to those of the New Covenant either.

And when it is against you, you say "Christ Never Taught that"

And when it is against you, you say

Kobojunkie:

And what has Leviticus to do with Christians?

Cut and Paste Bible User!. "Unstable as Water, You shall not prosper"!

budaatum:

And neither has your answer where you made it sound like humans are as freewilless as "your car, phone or Tv" which obviously "can not paint
themselves without your permission", but which a human can do without permission specifically because it has the freewill to do so if it wants to even if it is an offence to do so.

Freewill is Not the issue of this thread, if you are interested in this area, raise a thread of your own about it!

Dtruthspeaker:


Freewill is Not the issue of this thread, if you are interested in this area, raise a thread of your own about it!

And you are who exactly, telling buda what buda should or should not do after making freewill precisely an issue in this thread?

lucky999:


Then who are you, what's your religion?

I asked you a simple question earlier, but instead of answering you've chosen to ask me series of questions. WHO IS GOD TO YOU. Tell me, then I'll answer your question.

Dtruthspeaker:

See your unstable soul?
When it suits your answer you say
And when it is against you, you say "Christ Never Taught that"
And when it is against you, you say
Cut and Paste Bible User!. "Unstable as Water, You shall not prosper"!

How old are you?

Kobojunkie:
How old are you?

Older than you!

Dtruthspeaker:

Older than you!

Again...

Kobojunkie:
How old are you?

Kobojunkie:
Again...

Let me bite! I'm an Hannah Barberra Baby!

Surely you did not expect that I would blurt out my age in a public?

Kobojunkie:
How old are you?

Nickelodeon baby, where are you? Have you abandoned your course of action? I saw you at 2:58 on another thread therefore you must have seen the mention!

What you say and do shows who you are and
who you are, you are, forever!

lucky999:
If tattoo is a sin what of those that draw tattoo on their skin and later realize it was a sin then they ask God to forgive them fully knowing that the ink of the tattoo is permanent on their skin. Will God forgive them?

If tattooing were a sin, then we would also have to consider the consequence(s), if any, attached to said sin before we can declare whether or not it is forgivable sin, by God, or not. For instance, the sin of Blasphemy as defined in the New Covenant decrees that those who commit such a sin will not be forgiven.

Matthew 12 vs 30- 32(ERV)
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30. Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
31. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

So, if it is a sin declared by God, then it becomes very important to know and examine the details of such a sin before reaching any conclusions regarding it.

lucky999:
And before you Quote me remember that Jesus said if you sin against the father you will be forgiven, if you sin against the son you will be forgiven but if you sin against the holy spirit you will not be forgiven.

Yep! Excellent!

Jesus Christ never declared tattooing of one's sin a sin, to begin with, leaving it to individuals to decide for themselves what they will do in that case.

Dtruthspeaker:


Let me bite! I'm an Hannah Barberra Baby!

This William Debney "Bill" Hanna and Joseph Roland "Joe" Barbera, baby?

Figures. Lol!

budaatum:

When I was like really young, these mates of mine who grew up in Obanikoro Village told me rats talk. Well, even at barely 7, I was atheistic in nature, so I argued that rats don't talk. Now there were like 5 of them, so they ganged up on me calling me all sorts of names and that I know nothing, "rats talk jo!"

One day, about two years later, we were in the home of one of them and NTA was showing Tom and Jerry. "There," they said, pointing to the telly. "I thought you said rats don't talk?"

Turns out oyinbo rats do talk, silly me!

harmargedon:
I asked you a simple question earlier, but instead of answering you've chosen to ask me series of questions. WHO IS GOD TO YOU. Tell me, then I'll answer your question.

God is the creator of the universe

lucky999:


God is the creator of the universe

A great answer. But sadly not too many people know this. To answer your question, I'll start by saying; The universe works with something I call self recreation. What I mean by this is "a thing creating series of things from itself". If a tree bends southwards in it's search for sunlight, this doesn't stop it from bearing good fruits. so also if a man draws tattoos on his skin, just for beauty sake, this doesn't stop him from living a holy life. Whatever gives a man joy, he's obliged to do, as long as it doesn't hurt his neighbours. we fix into a suitable lifestyle those things we feel are necessary for one's social life. Like cutting out finger nails, cutting out hair, shaving our pubic and armpit hairs, braiding our hairs, if it were wrong for us to tamper with what the creator has created, then we wouldn't be doing the things I mentioned earlier.

I see you've mentioned drawing, so I also would like to make my own contribution and tell you about one site where you will also be able to find something useful for yourself. Accordingly, just check out this recourse where you will certainly be able to look at the blue colours' combinations that you might use for yourself. This is such a cool information, so use it as soon as possible too!