[size=14pt]How BBC caused crisis in the North[/size]

Meanwhile, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) Hausa Service had been blamed for the riots and confusion in Adamawa State, following its alleged broadcast that the Congress for Progressive Change (CPC) presidential candidate, General Muhammadu Buhari, had won the election in Adamawa State, when the electoral commission in the state was still collating results.


The Special Adviser to the Adamawa State Governor, Aminu Iyawa, told journalists that the BBC broadcast was orchestrated to cause mischief and chaos. He said violence erupted after the electoral commission announced Goodluck Jonathan of the PDP as winner in the state.

http://odili.net/news/source/2011/apr/19/602.html

Perhaps BBC had people on the ground at the polling booths who then phoned the #s back to the main office, then added up to figure out who won.

If that is what they did, who can blame them for announcing a winner? In theory, doing that should tell you who won.

Not really their fault that adding up the # of votes at the polling booths is not a valid way of saying who won a LGA or state (at least in naija )

ekt_bear:

Perhaps BBC had people on the ground at the polling booths who then phoned the #s back to the main office, then added up to figure out who won.

If that is what they did, who can blame them for announcing a winner? In theory, doing that should tell you who won.

Not really their fault that adding up the # of votes at the polling booths is not a valid way of saying who won a LGA or state (at least in naija )

Daft.

Do you work for BBC?

What does working for the BBC have to do with this hypothesis? How is that relevant, at all?

I also do not work for Pizza Hut. . . that has about as much relevance to this discussion.

ekt_bear:

What does working for the BBC have to do with this hypothesis? How is that relevant, at all?

I also do not work for Pizza Hut. . . that has about as much relevance to this discussion.

Crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Nosy britts! Who made them collation officers? Am not surprised shebi they've made naija political power equation lopsided by handing over to northerners after independence so they 'l expect an extension of born to rule mentality.

Beaf:

Crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Hehe. OK, let me test you a bit, see if you are just randomly googling or actually understand what these terms mean.

So first of all, I'm assuming that you know what the terms "hypothesis" and "proposition" mean in philosophy, logic, and mathematics? And how their meanings are very precise and quite different from what it means when we speak English casually? If you do not understand what these terms mean, then there was no point in you accusing me of "begging the question". . . since you obviously won't understand what that term means either 

Alright, let us begin. I'll assume that again you understand what the above three terms in quotes mean, in the context of logic.

Now, kindly explain to me, what proposition did I assume without proving or justifying? 

Be very careful Beaf; don't make any mistakes in answering this question I have asked Think very carefully, lest you be exposed to the world as a person who throws around words and phrases without understanding their meaning.

ekt_bear:

Hehe. OK, let me test you a bit, see if you are just randomly googling or actually understand what these terms mean.

So first of all, I'm assuming that you know what the terms "hypothesis" and "proposition" mean in philosophy, logic, and mathematics? And how their meanings are very precise and quite different from what it means when we speak English casually? If you do not understand what these terms mean, then there was no point in you accusing me of "begging the question". . . since you obviously won't understand what that term means either 

Alright, let us begin. I'll assume that again you understand what the above three terms in quotes mean, in the context of logic.

Now, kindly explain to me, what proposition did I assume without proving or justifying? 

Be very careful Beaf; don't make any mistakes in answering this question I have asked Think very carefully, lest you be exposed to the world as a person who throws around words and phrases without understanding their meaning.

Shut up and stop trying to hide your shame at being caught at your dishonest game.
. . .Writing volumes of silliness.

same BBC that interviewed Yar'Adua??

o9999:

same BBC that interviewed Yar'Adua??

Yes o! The man in coma!

So rather than taking the exam, you decide to skip it?

"Begging the question", indeed

Arrogant stupidity was the term I used to describe you before. Imagine, a man who will accuse another of "begging the question". . . without first understanding what the phrase means!

ekt_bear:

So rather than taking the exam, you decide to skip it?

"Begging the question", indeed

Arrogant stupidity was the term I used to describe you before. Imagine, a man who will accuse another of "begging the question". . . without first understanding what the phrase means!

Using tonnes of smilies when there is absolutely nothing funny points at self esteem (or other disturbing psychological) issues. Anyone with a cure for the borderline insane?

@ekt_bear, stop embarassing Beaf by exposing his intellectual inadequacy. Frankly, I know Beaf enough to say that he is only pretending to be a intellectual midget this time around - i.e. unless I've been wrong all along. LWKMD

ndu_chucks:

@ekt_bear, stop embarassing Beaf by exposing his intellectual inadequacy. Frankly, I know Beaf enough to say that he is only pretending to be a intellectual midget this time around - i.e. unless I've been wrong all along. LWKMD

Aboki, are you on break from burning churches?

@Beaf: Trying to change the subject and cover your shame after failing the exam, I guess

This is the problem with growing up in your life using "expo" to pass exams. It makes you mentally weak, food for the strong

Anyway, let me stop mocking you, that is a being a bit unkind. I should instead help, rather than mock.

Here is a list of logical fallacies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
And here is a top 20 list of the ones people usually screw up on: http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspx

Might be worth your time to read through some of them. In particular, read the article you linked to from Wikipedia on "beg the question" carefully. It won't take you too much time to understand the concept, it is pretty easy. If you still don't understand, here are some other references for you to master the concept:

1) http://skepdic.com/begging.html
2) http://www.fallacyfiles.org/begquest.html

There is a bunch of other stuff you can google too.

Then spend another three minutes reading what you quoted from me. Understand why you accusing me of "begging the question" makes zero sense here. For someone to "beg the question", at a minimum, there must be some sort of proposition being made.

It was impossible for me to "beg the question", since I made no proposition! 

(again, note that "proposition" in this context is different from the colloquial English usage! I mean "proposition" as used in logic or mathematics, not when ordinary people say the word "proposition." Again, to repeat, "proposition" in the context of accusing someone of "begging the question" is different from, "Oh gee, that is a pretty crappy proposal for why the BBC did XYZ, ekt_bear."

Anyway, Beaf as a general rule. . . make sure you understand what English phrases and expressions mean before you use them. Especially the ones related to logical fallacies. People use them all the time inappropriately without understand what they mean. You are not the first one who has made this mistake, and probably will not be the last.

ndu_chucks:

@ekt_bear, stop embarassing Beaf by exposing his intellectual inadequacy. Frankly, I know Beaf enough to say that he is only pretending to be a intellectual  midget this time around - i.e. unless I've been wrong all along.   LWKMD   

Hehe. I didn't really want to embarrass him. If I wanted to, I'd have dragged it out to 20 posts or so, so he could keep digging himself into a deeper and deeper pit

Read through my post. I gave him every chance to take back his accusation. I hinted strongly that he had made a huge mistake. My hope was that he'd actually google those three terms I quoted, try to deeply understand them, and then see his error. How more easily could I have let him off?

Anyway, if he calls you an "aboki", just remind him of "begging the question"

^
Poor thing, see how the embarrassment of being caught with your hands in the pot is making you use smilies like a mad fool. lol

ekt_bear:

@Beaf: Trying to change the subject and cover your shame after failing the exam, I guess

This is the problem with growing up in your life using "expo" to pass exams. It makes you mentally weak, food for the strong

Anyway, let me stop mocking you, that is a being a bit unkind. I should instead help, rather than mock.

Here is a list of logical fallacies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
And here is a top 20 list of the ones people usually screw up on: http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspx

Might be worth your time to read through some of them. In particular, read the article you linked to from Wikipedia on "beg the question" carefully. It won't take you too much time to understand the concept, it is pretty easy. If you still don't understand, here are some other references for you to master the concept:

1) http://skepdic.com/begging.html
2) http://www.fallacyfiles.org/begquest.html

There is a bunch of other stuff you can google too.

Then spend another three minutes reading what you quoted from me. Understand why you accusing me of "begging the question" makes zero sense here. For someone to "beg the question", at a minimum, there must be some sort of proposition being made.

It was impossible for me to "beg the question", since I made no proposition!  

(again, note that "proposition" in this context is different from the colloquial English usage! I mean "proposition" as used in logic or mathematics, not when ordinary people say the word "proposition." Again, to repeat, "proposition" in the context of accusing someone of "begging the question" is different from, "Oh gee, that is a pretty crappy proposal for why the BBC did XYZ, ekt_bear."

Anyway, Beaf as a general rule. . . make sure you understand what English phrases and expressions mean before you use them. Especially the ones related to logical fallacies. People use them all the time inappropriately without understand what they mean. You are not the first one who has made this mistake, and probably will not be the last.

Lol! What a sad sod!
Poor lil cassava muncher feels so ticked that he's done a hours of google research in a vain attempt to absolve himself from the sin of begging the question. Its less palatable name is dishonesty.
You committed a fools blunder by starting with "perhaps" and ending with the certainty of "not really their fault." You were caught attempting to bend the topic, now you are running helter skelter like a headless chicken. You were found out, live with it.

Dunce.

@Beaf
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-650410.32.html#bot
Thanks, it will be appreciated.

Beaf:

Yes o! The man in coma!

I hope you remember this was the same man your President Jonathan acclaimed he spoke with, while he was in coma.

You sometimes need to learn how to stop airing your rancid ignorance in public.

Pataki:

I hope you remember this was the same man your President Jonathan acclaimed he spoke with, while he was in coma.

You sometimes need to learn how to stop airing your rancid ignorance in public.

So what if GEJ claimed to have spoken with him? Dude, stop ranting OP.
GEJ spoke in the national interest, in whose interest did BBC make the fake phone call?

Lord! Its raining dunces today!

OMG!

This thread is so hilarious.

Ekt_Bear took Beaf to school, free of charge, without making noise about it.


Beaf don fall my Nyansh

^
It will be more hilarious when smarter people wonder at your abysmal comprehension. lol

Beaf. I'm about to head to dinner right now. We shall continue this when I return. . . about 2 hrs time. It will be a lot of fun.

Beaf:

So what if GEJ claimed to have spoken with him? Dude, stop ranting OP.
GEJ spoke in the national interest, in whose interest did BBC make the fake phone call?

Lord! Its raining dunces today!

''Still begging the question''? Olodo oshi.

National interest indeed. Keep drumming out lame excuses.

My point is this (since you are too thick to understand at first comprehension): In as much as you want to vilify and malign the BBC, your Goodluck is equally responsible for the same thing!

And if you are now calling the interest of BBC to question; should I ask you, in whose interest did BBC write the report about Nigeria improving economically just before the election? Which, if I remember quite clearly, your Goodluck equally used it as a campaign advert on his facebook page.

You really do have a way of exhibiting fanciful daftness!

[Quote author=ekt_bear]Beaf. I'm about to head to dinner right now. We shall continue this when I return. . . about 2 hrs time. It will be a lot of fun.[/quote]

Be my guest. I really love toying with fools and watching them dig themselves deeper into their own shyte. I accused you of begging the question when you posted the crap below:

[Quote author=ekt_bear]
Perhaps BBC had people on the ground at the polling booths who then phoned the #s back to the main office, then added up to figure out who won.

If that is what they did, who can blame them for announcing a winner? In theory, doing that should tell you who won.

Not really their fault that adding up the # of votes at the polling booths is not a valid way of saying who won a LGA or state (at least in naija ) [/quote]

Your defense has been to post lists of all sorts of logical fallacies to tell me I didn't actually get the right logical fallacy you were guilty of.
That reminds me of a joke I saw earlier today, you will find an unflattering similarity to your arguments here:

You are like the fool below:

A man was withdrawing money from d ATM.

The man behind him laffed out loud and said :"Ha! Ha! Haaa! walai u i be pool, me I don see am por ya fassword na pour stars(****).

1st man: nansense na u i be pool, na 1258 be my fassword, Lơ̴̴̴̴̴̴͡l


Thats you sir.

Dunce.

''Still begging the question''? Olodo oshi.

National interest indeed. Keep drumming out lame excuses.

My point is this (since you are too thick to understand at first comprehension): In as much as you want to vilify and malign the BBC, your Goodluck is equally responsible for the same thing!

And if you are now calling the interest of BBC to question; should I ask you, in whose interest did BBC write the report about Nigeria improving economically just before the election? Which, if I remember quite clearly, your Goodluck equally used it as a campaign advert on his facebook page.

You really do have a way of exhibiting fanciful daftness!

If you cannot understand the simple words I wrote, then. . .
Kneel down and repeat, "Pataki is inexpicably dim" 1000 times.

Fool.



www.nairaland.com/attachments/180447_ROTFLMAO_gif3d0c775232c7f27cf80592785b9635b6

I doubt the BBC was really responsible for the entire crisis, but if this story is true, then that was extremely irresponsible and unprofessional.

Then again, how do we know the people responsible for the slip up were not Hausa speaking British Nigerians with a pro-Buhari bias? It's a possibility.

Beaf:



If you cannot understand the simple words I wrote, then. . .
Kneel down and repeat, "Pataki is inexpicably dim" 1000 times.

Fool.

Keep modifying this your post just because you want to impress Pataki.

Dunderhead.

Interesting to note your utterly pathetic way of responding to post. Once it get beyond what you can defend with words, you lace your post with graphics and idiotic emoticons.

You truly need help with your personality disorder.

Lesson learnt for you tonight: Before you castigate others about lying, ask yourself, has your President Goodluck committed such offence? It is totally hypocritical, efficiently stewpeed and morally bankrupt of you to look for the speck in other people's eye, when there is a whole amazon forest in your Goodluck!

Disgusting sod.

^
See as pesin pikin don crase!
Dude, you are entertaining, why don't you clown for a living?

Hatred for GEJ and jealousy will kill you.

bbc didnt cos anything, the north would have still behaved like the animals they are, even without the news from bbc.