FatherOfJesus:
Dinosaur went extinct they didn’t make Noah’s ark

That’s how Christians jokers reason

See how he flees from his own faeces!

Going, going, he's out of sight!

Dtruthspeaker:


See how he flees from his own faeces!

Going, going, he's out of sight!

Your Noah’s story is false, we laugh whenever a Christian tries to share his belief in my class here.

You guys are so funny with the gibberishes in your book.

FatherOfJesus:

1. It’s impossible for Noah’s ark to have contained two each of all terrestrial species of the world.

The bible speak of kinds of land living animals

Gen 7:14:
"They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort."

This could be a miracle just as two pieces of fish and five loaves of bread could feed 5000. Since the food they are to eat wasn't mentioned, it's safe to say no one knows exactly how all terrestrial kinds fitted into the ark.

It would be a mere speculation to argue on this because the bible wasn't specific on the mechanism of how this happened.

FatherOfJesus:

2. Civilizations existed during that time and didn’t record any flood.

Wrong.
There are actually scores of myths of the flood all round the world

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

I am sure that you don't know anything about the Epic of Gilgamesh or the account of Akkadian Atra-Hasis,

FatherOfJesus:

3. A global Flood would have left global archeological evidence.

Of course it did. How do you account for billions of tonnes of animal and plant buried underground resulting in the formation of crude oil and graphite and coal formation all over the world.

If the burial were gradual, then you will need to explain why no one in the last 2000 years have not found a forest buried underground with its animal species (scavengers even refused to eat them)

FatherOfJesus:

4. There are no fossilized evidence to the flood.

Your crude oil, graphite, coal, shale reservoirs are good examples

FatherOfJesus:

5. No evidence of mass migration of animals.

There are evidence of mass burials of dinosors!

Have you read about Cleveland-Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry. Scientists are still baffled why fossils of fishes and water based terrestrial animals like crocodiles are not found in such quarries (meaning that the water is not a long lasting water body) and why there is abundance of both carnivorous and herbivorous dinosaurs.

FatherOfJesus:

6. Noah’s flood story is inconsistent with water cycle

Two things happened
1. Rain for 40 days straight
2. Eruption of water from underground
Gen 6:17:
"And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters on the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die."

Gen 7:11:
"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

And note that at that point the geography of the earth was completely different from today in that the tectonic plates have not yet been broken to separate the earth into the respective continents.

The earth was divided well after the flood:

Gen 10:25:
"And to Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan."

1Chr 1:19:
"And to Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan."

Secondly, the climate of the earth was different from how it is now, because before the flood, there was most likely no rain as the earth was watered by mist from the ground

Gen 2:4-6:
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

All your questions answered!

Apart from your objection number 1, every other objection can be scientifically and logically explained.

shadeyinka2:

The bible speak of kinds of land living animals

Gen 7:14:
"They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort."

This could be a miracle just as two pieces of fish and five loaves of bread could feed 5000. Since the food they are to eat wasn't mentioned, it's safe to say no one knows exactly how all terrestrial kinds fitted into the ark.

It would be a mere speculation to argue on this because the bible wasn't specific on the mechanism of how this happened.




Wrong.
There are actually scores of myths of the flood all round the world

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

I am sure that you don't know anything about the Epic of Gilgamesh or the account of Akkadian Atra-Hasis,


Of course it did. How do you account for billions of tonnes of animal and plant buried underground resulting in the formation of crude oil and graphite and coal formation all over the world.

If the burial were gradual, then you will need to explain why no one in the last 2000 years have not found a forest buried underground with its animal species (scavengers even refused to eat them)



Your crude oil, graphite, coal, shale reservoirs are good examples


There are evidence of mass burials of dinosors!

Have you read about Cleveland-Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry. Scientists are still baffled why fossils of fishes and water based terrestrial animals like crocodiles are not found in such quarries (meaning that the water is not a long lasting water body) and why there is abundance of both carnivorous and herbivorous dinosaurs.



Two things happened
1. Rain for 40 days straight
2. Eruption of water from underground
Gen 6:17:
"And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters on the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die."

Gen 7:11:
"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

And note that at that point the geography of the earth was completely different from today in that the tectonic plates have not yet been broken to separate the earth into the respective continents.

The earth was divided well after the flood:

Gen 10:25:
"And to Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan."

1Chr 1:19:
"And to Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan."

Secondly, the climate of the earth was different from how it is now, because before the flood, there was most likely no rain as the earth was watered by mist from the ground

Gen 2:4-6:
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

All your questions answered!

Apart from your objection number 1, every other objection can be scientifically and logically explained.

Terrestrial means land.

How can you even understand anything if you don’t get that?

FatherOfJesus:
Terrestrial means land.

How can you even understand anything if you don’t get that?

Stupidity at its highest. Did you see me make a contrary claim?

You don't read

Na wah o!

shadeyinka2:

Stupidity at its highest. Did you see me make a contrary claim?

You don't read

so what do you do mean by “kinds of landed animals”?

Like not all landed animals entered the ark?

Don’t insult me if you want to debate else’s I will tear your generation apart

FatherOfJesus:
so what do you do mean by “kinds of landed animals”?

Like not all landed animals entered the ark?

Don’t insult me if you want to debate else’s I will tear your generation apart

Questions after displaying gross illiteracy and stupidity. The content of the pen doesn't mean anything for a brute mule who has made up his mind before hearing a second opinion.
I'm actually not pleased at myself for spending time to respond to your post. Notwithstanding, the wise will read it and be informed of every issue raised.

Meditate on what I've posted.
You are certainly a waste of time.
Bye!

shadeyinka2:

Questions after displaying gross illiteracy and stupidity. The content of the pen doesn't mean anything for a brute mule who has made up his mind before hearing a second opinion.
I'm actually not pleased at myself for spending time to respond to your post. Notwithstanding, the wise will read it and be informed of every issue raised.

Meditate on what I've posted.
You are certainly a waste of time.
Bye!

lol, running away because he cannot defend the fairytale. No sane person would take the story seriously anyways

The5DME:
even the adam and Eve story was plagrised. Majority of the Old testament was plagiarized. It's all fiction.

all the books written by Moses is questionable and there is a reason for this. it's because of his training. Moses was trained to be a pharaoh. And he passed the trainings excellently. But many don't know what the trainings involved.

Some other nonsense Moses said was that angels came down from above to have sex with humans and they started having children. Even Moses himself did not witness the so call Noah's ark.

FatherOfJesus:
lol, running away because he cannot defend the fairytale. No sane person would take the story seriously anyways

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qwertyboss:

Noah

Local flood, not global.

The Bible insists that Noah's flood was global and no one survived except the believers who boarded the Ark with Noah. However the Quran says that the flood was local and all nations other than Noah's survived.

Local floods are very common however there is no scientific evidence for a global flood. But stories of a global flood are found in many ancient cultures all-around the globe. If it were a global flood, as portrayed in the Bible, no one would have survived other than the believers who boarded the Ark with Noah. There would have been no disbelievers who didn't board the Ark and survived. However the Quran says something else, it says that there were disbelievers who didn't board the Ark and still survived:

Quran 11:48

It was said, "O Noah, disembark with peace from Us; and with blessings upon you, and upon communities from those with you. And other communities We will grant prosperity and later We will hand them painful torture."

٤٨ قِيلَ يَا نُوحُ اهْبِطْ بِسَلَامٍ مِنَّا وَبَرَكَاتٍ عَلَيْكَ وَعَلَىٰ أُمَمٍ مِمَّنْ مَعَكَ ۚ وَأُمَمٌ سَنُمَتِّعُهُمْ ثُمَّ يَمَسُّهُمْ مِنَّا عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ

Since God will punish them later then definitely they were disbelievers who were not onboard the Ark. If only believers boarded the Ark but still disbelievers survived then this means that it was just a local flood. Those who were not in the area survived.

The very next verse says that this story was not known before:

Quran 11:49

These are some stories from the past that we reveal to you. Neither you, nor your people knew them before this. So be patient. The future belongs to the pious.

٤٩ تِلْكَ مِنْ أَنْبَاءِ الْغَيْبِ نُوحِيهَا إِلَيْكَ ۖ مَا كُنْتَ تَعْلَمُهَا أَنْتَ وَلَا قَوْمُكَ مِنْ قَبْلِ هَٰذَا ۖ فَاصْبِرْ ۖ إِنَّ الْعَاقِبَةَ لِلْمُتَّقِينَ

The Bible insists on a global flood killing all disbelievers. The story in the Quran, that other disbelievers survived, was not known to previous cultures and the Quran was the first to proclaim it.

In the Quran the last prophet was sent to all nations however Noah was sent to just his own people:

Quran 21:107

We did not send you except as mercy to all nations.

١٠٧ وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِلْعَالَمِينَ

Al-alameen الْعَالَمِينَ in Arabic means "all nations". The last prophet was sent to all nations, however Noah was  sent to just his own people:

Quran 7:59

We sent Noah to his people. He said, "O my people! Worship Allah; you have no god other than Him. I fear for you the punishment of a tremendous Day."

٥٩ لَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَىٰ قَوْمِهِ فَقَالَ يَا قَوْمِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ مَا لَكُمْ مِنْ إِلَٰهٍ غَيْرُهُ إِنِّي أَخَافُ عَلَيْكُمْ عَذَابَ يَوْمٍ عَظِيمٍ

In the Quran Noah was sent to just his own people, not to all nations. And those who were drowned by the flood were disbelievers from his own people, not from all nations. The Quran never said that God drowned all nations Alameen الْعَالَمِينَ. However the Quran consistently said that God drowned only the people of Noah:

Quran 25:37

And the people of Noah: when they rejected the messengers, We drowned them, and made them a lesson for mankind. We have prepared for the wrongdoers a painful retribution.

٣٧ وَقَوْمَ نُوحٍ لَمَّا كَذَّبُوا الرُّسُلَ أَغْرَقْنَاهُمْ وَجَعَلْنَاهُمْ لِلنَّاسِ آيَةً ۖ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ عَذَابًا أَلِيمًا

God drowned disbelievers from Noah's own people قَوْمَ نُوحٍ and made them a lesson for mankind. The Quran never said that God drowned mankind.

Noah was sent to just his own people, not to all nations. And Noah presented God's message to just his own people, not to all nations. And those who rejected the message were from Noah's own people, not from all nations. So God drowned disbelievers from Noah's own people, not all nations. In the Quran all other nations had nothing to do with the flood. This means that it was just a local flood.

The Quran referred to the stuff Noah owned only:

Quran 11:40

Until, when Our command came, and the earth oven boiled, We said, "Board into it a pair of every kind, and your family-except those against whom the sentence has already been passed-and those who have believed." But those who believed with him were only a few.

٤٠ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا جَاءَ أَمْرُنَا وَفَارَ التَّنُّورُ قُلْنَا احْمِلْ فِيهَا مِنْ كُلٍّ زَوْجَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ وَأَهْلَكَ إِلَّا مَنْ سَبَقَ عَلَيْهِ الْقَوْلُ وَمَنْ آمَنَ ۚ وَمَا آمَنَ مَعَهُ إِلَّا قَلِيلٌ

"Tannur التَّنُّورُ"is a whole in the ground for baking known as earth oven. When the "Tannur" boiled is in the singular mode, not plural. If it were a global flood then every Tannur on Earth should have boiled; but this wasn't the case, only the Tannur that he owned. From the "Tannur" we know that this verse is referring to what he owned only. Similarly in the same verse the animals that boarded the ark are also animals that he owned only, not every animal on Earth.

There is no scientific evidence for a global flood, however local floods are very common.

Unfortunately, the Qur'an is a snippet of a summary of the details of the bible. The most detailed epic in your Qur'an is Surat Yusuf. Others are snippets of uncoordinated narrations.

If there was no evidence of a global flood, can you explain the formation of crude oil deposits, coal and graphite deposits, shale deposits?

Did the quran speak about when the earth was divided into contienents?


According to the Qur'an,
1. God commanded Noah to build a ship, the Ark as stated in the bible?
2. Was Noah not a righteous man as stated in the bible?
3. Was the ship not loaded with pairs of animals as stated in the bible?
4. How untrue is it that the people who denied the message of Noah drowned in the flood according to the Qur'an (the Qur'an even said that amongst those who drowned included one of his own sons)
5. Islam says the place of landing was Al-Jūdiyy, the bible says it was mount Ararat!


Now, an atheist who doesn't believe at all in God came to say the bible story is a LIE and you can't say that it isn't but their are variations between the Qur'an and the Bible accounts. If the bible story is a lie, then the Qur'an is a falsehood that copied a lie as part of Allah's words.

If your problem is whether if the folks was global or local, then you can ask questions and just not speak without reasoning to Atheists. Do you think the OP's objection is answered by the Qur'an?

If the flood is local, does it make sense to pick every terrestrial living thing or just animals that could be useful for food?

The bible explains how the tribes of the earth evolved from the three sons of Noah: did the Qur'an speak about that?

The bible was detailed enough to show that the earth at the time of Noah was one single continent and not five as we have now?

Did the Qur'an speak about the source of the water other than rain: for a continuous rain for 40 days cannot produce a flood that can lift a ship of that size?

STORY STORY FROM GUTTER BRAIN SCIENTISTS WHO CHAMPIONED THE EVOLUTIONARY IDIOCY WILL ALWAYS TRY TO KNOCK THEMSELVES AROUND THINKING THEY ARE GETTING AT SOMEWHERE BY BASHING CHRISTIAN BELIEFS!
THIS I HAVE SEEN!