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Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by zstranger: 11:07pm On May 07, 2011 |
namfav: Nothing good enough for a Yoruba girl can ever come from the North. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by namfav(m): 11:09pm On May 07, 2011 |
zstranger: we have quality hijabs in the north |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by Nobody: 11:14pm On May 07, 2011 |
^^^ losers, she's 15. namfav is prolly 21, zstranger 40. sigh |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by zstranger: 11:16pm On May 07, 2011 |
namfav: Dont worry, we will get her the best of the best from the middleeast. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by whobemumu(m): 12:37am On May 08, 2011 |
you thieves !!!!!!!!!! you want to reap where u did not sow she is not nigerian ! she was not born in nigeria what input has nigeria had in her life ? if she had been in nigeria she for fit de hawk for one park somewhere she is eternally lost to naija because you failed to invest in her parents and her just my opinion |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by PhysicsMHD(m): 3:40am On May 08, 2011 |
Kilode?!: Interesting. I can see what you're saying. This is a sort of cultural-psychological theory of achievement differences. But something makes me suspect it's still not a valid excuse. IMO, Comparing western Europeans and the Greeks is like comparing Yorubas and Igbos or shall I say; Bantus and their different ethnic mix from South Africa to Guinea. The Culture and language might have some differences but they are still very much related. You're right. And the fact that they were already Romanized (and were thus conformable to Greek culture) at the point at which they started to thrive by exploiting Greek achievements, while those Europeans who were not Romanized (Norwegians for example) did not make contributions until much later, does lend some credence to your theory. Yes, like sex, adding and subtracting are universal skills(hopefully, lol) but culture and beliefs can influence their usage. You may be right here as well. Indian philosophy involves concepts of infinity and nothingness. Greek philosophy only involved concepts of infinity (the philosopher Zeno, for example). In fact, one Greek philosopher-scientist famously stated "Nature abhors a vacuum". The emphasis on concepts of infinity by the Greek philosophers may have influenced their mathematicians (such as Archimedes, who had ideas that foreshadowed calculus) and may explain why Western mathematicians were able to beat other mathematicians in discovering calculus. However, it was the Indians, not the Europeans or other groups, that were the ones to introduce the concept of zero as a legitimate number into mathematics. The Greeks never even conceived of the number zero, despite all their intellectual sophistication. I think this might support that cultural theory of yours applying even to mathematics. On the other hand, Indian mathematicians came close to discovering calculus in almost the same way that European mathematicians did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala_school_of_astronomy_and_mathematics#Infinite_Series_and_Calculus which suggests that, despite the influence on culture of one's perspective/approach to a science , there are still universal elements/perspectives in that science, regardless of which culture one is operating in. There are also numerous mathematicians or scientists of non-European origin (ethnically/racially) who have grown up in the Western world and made significant contributions to their fields while operating in a foreign culture. The best example (though there are others) is Terence Tao: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Tao http://www.college.ucla.edu/news/05/terencetaomath.html Tao is an ethnically Chinese mathematician who is 100% culturally Australian (and therefore Western). How would you account for that? The greatest recent Chinese mathematician is 100% removed from his culture and is completely a Westerner. This is the kind of phenomenon that supports SEFAGO's idea of certain cultures being beneficial to the exhibition of (latent) intelligence. If he (Tao) had been raised in the Middle East (some Chinese are Muslim, so I could imagine a few making a pilgrimage and then sticking around, lol) , we might never have heard of him. I don't think he had to be immersed in Chinese culture and think about mathematics in Chinese in order to make great contributions to his field. He just had to be around the right influences. Unfortunately, for that particular field (mathematics) most of the right influences have a European or Asian origin, so if you were an African . . . . Yes no one has the monopoly on creating ideas, but one can acquire the advantage to run competitive or different ideologies out of the marketplace of ideas. Once again, you may be right. If one is to produce uniquely creative ideas, it would almost certainly be harder to do it while starting from the foundation of another group's language or imitating another group's approach. If you have to follow the conventions of another group linguistically, you might even be limiting your thinking to their thinking alone. I see what you're saying. Quote Yeah, I get what you're saying. It's true that scientific education needs to be made conformable to and complementary to, rather than contradictory to, African cultures and languages. But I still think we should be doing better than we are in most fields even while having to follow the conventions/thinking of others. Yes, we need to try harder at adapting and assimilating. I guess we are still evolving. Yeah, we'll see how things turn out. If 40 years from now, things haven't changed and we're still several steps behind, it will all but prove your theory right and we (I) would need to take steps to change our education. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by chiogo(f): 4:05am On May 08, 2011 |
LOL@ all the people saying they finished high school at 16. Don't most Nigerians finish at that age? Those born in Nigeria anyway. The American school system does not let kids start school that early or skip grades(most Nigerians skip Pry. 6 ) unless one is extra-ordinarily intelligent. So, this girl's case is unique since she was born here, I believe. Anyway, I don't fully understand the article, why is she going to miss prom and some other stuff? Isn't she graduating with her peers? I agree it might be a bit difficult for her being a 15-yr-old freshman in college but she'll be fine, she seems sociable too. College students are a bit more mature than high school kids. From high school till now in college, I've always been younger than all my friends. It has its perks like knowing you'd be getting your undergrad degree at a younger age than average and moving on to higher degrees. Besides being legal to get alcohol, there are no special advantages to being 'older' and besides on a college campus, getting alcohol is not that difficult, under-age or not. Alcohol is def. not a priority, not even important, I'm sure to this girl. Different can be good. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by Kilode1: 6:20am On May 08, 2011 |
PhysicsMHD: These are some very Interesting examples you presented here. . . I sometimes wonder about "outlier" geniuses like Tao too and why they seem to buck the trend, I'll offer an explanation below your quote. Just my opinion though: The best example (though there are others) is Terence Tao: Good question you asked: Now "How do we account for Geniuses like Tao"? Tao and Genius outliers like him always remind me of Herrnstein and Murray's Bell Curve. I just think that there are some folks who are just so gifted that Culture and environment has little effect on them, now, they may not blossom if the social and cultural conditions are very hostile to them, but when they get the opportunity, they will always rise to the top of the curve. In the humanities, Africa has examples like Soyinka, Achebe, Ngugi, Diop, Samir e.t.c. folks who of course mastered the usage and application of alien/foreign languages and philosophies more than some of the best the original owners can offer. We can also say that they fully assimilated, like the African American George Robert Carruthers, Meredith Gourdine e.t.c or PhysicsMHD? BUT I'm more worried about those in the Mid-to-lower levels of the intelligence curve, Not for no reason, But because I believe, they, more than the "outlier" geniuses, will have the greater effect on how far we will progress as a society, as long as they stay alienated, we will continue to stagnate. I'm concerned about how we can fashion out a way to make knowledge more accessible or more organic on a broader macro level. I realize that we need to nurture the geniuses(I'm not too worried about the geniuses) but the concomitant effect of having so many of our masses struggle with alien ideas due to the limiting effects of an alien language and culture is hurting us badly, at least it seems that way to me and it worries me a lot.
I totally agree, I really think we can do very much better, there are other obvious factors(which I totally blame us for) limiting our ability to even compete. I believe we can fix some of those on the short-term, to at least bridge the gap a bit faster.
That's very encouraging bro, especially the "I" |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by MMM2(m): 7:35am On May 08, 2011 |
dat good newz n d kind of girl we need in 9jia. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by webmining: 8:22am On May 08, 2011 |
I'm glad that she is showing us that there is hope. I think that there are a lot of us who could do the same thing she has done, given the opportunity. Congratulations! You made me proud! |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by JacobReamen(m): 8:35am On May 08, 2011 |
That's good |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by werepeLeri: 10:47am On May 08, 2011 |
I bet she has never been to NairaLand - a congregation of losers. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by justwise(m): 10:53am On May 08, 2011 |
werepeLeri: Including u? |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by juliebest(f): 12:20pm On May 08, 2011 |
ongratz girl |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by Tweety121(f): 4:09pm On May 08, 2011 |
Aww, I saw her name and got excited thinking she was Hausa. That would have been a rare treat. Anyway congratulations to her, she seems like a sweet, humble girl. And with qualifications from Harvard her future success is almost inevitable. I hope her three brothers are equally successful |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by Nobody: 4:58pm On May 08, 2011 |
A.D.M.: THAT'S RIGHT BRO! LMAO@ Somebody's lame attempt to offend me by dissing AAs and West Indians LOL. Both groups have pupils who are attending or are alumni of Harvard and other IVY league schools. I have a cousin who is a graduate of Harvard with DR. as a prefix and I am proud to share his last name! His only flaw is being stuck up as hell lol. There was a 17 year old Jamo in 2009 who was accepted into Harvard straight from the island. I can name plenty more. . . HOWEVER, This is the young and impressive Nigerian-American lady's moment to shine! Unlike Saheela, who put her 'shoulders to the wheel' and achieved without prejudice' some people like to talk ignorance and have absolutely nothing to offer humanity or themselves for that matter. Nothing to show but want to log on the internet and pick on people both dead and living with no shame, BUT i say laugh at them, dust your shoulders off and do you. Hard work and dedication is color, class, and race blind. BKBabe, neither. My first name is as Jewish-Irish as it gets. No 'hood-rat' names in my family hun. Nice try tho. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by Nobody: 5:44pm On May 08, 2011 |
Tweety121: Atleast 30% of Yorubas are Muslims bearing Muslim names (which might seem like an Hausa name). Bluetooth's name is yakubu. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by SEFAGO(m): 5:57pm On May 08, 2011 |
^ Also no Hausa has ever entered Harvard in the history of the school . Why break the status quo? There is like one at MIT though.
I think you should be more concerned about the number of universities in Jamaica. Its one thing to be jumping up about oyibo universities. I would love it when Oyibo people can post on whatever site they visit- Hey James Got into University of lagos , and get similar responses though |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by Nobody: 6:03pm On May 08, 2011 |
SEFAGO: ROTFLMAO Yes oh, University of Lagos; "Chemistry: There is no matter more important that the biological matter the body emits" |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by zstranger: 7:57pm On May 08, 2011 |
SEFAGO: There was one at OAU when I was in secondary school. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by namfav(m): 8:02pm On May 08, 2011 |
SEFAGO: who in your family is at harvard? or are you generating pride from other peoples children? |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by SEFAGO(m): 8:14pm On May 08, 2011 |
namfav: Sheesh, I come from a long line of farmers and Ogun priests. We dont go to school. F/u/ck that s/hit. But we are experts on cocoyam farming. Point still remains though that no full hausa has ever entered there. Jeez if you you remove federal quota from Nigerian universities there will be none at OAU or Unilag. Thank god for liberal thinking zstranger: Studying or an exchange/research student? Or maybe u saw oyibo and automatically assumed he was a student. Or maybe biracial? |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by dejiolowe: 9:36pm On May 08, 2011 |
Proud of her achievement and I'm happy for her parents. It has made their sacrifice worthwhile. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by Nobody: 9:45pm On May 08, 2011 |
SEFAGO: What does the 6 or 7 universities on my island have anything to do with the issue at hand? I am answering to a lame's accusation that Jamos and AAs are ALL not willing to get an education and therefore a 'distraction'. I am telling that imb3cile that there are some who have been attending schools abroad with excellent marks/grades. Like I said hard work and dedication will benefit anybody. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by skypopson(m): 11:25pm On May 08, 2011 |
she never called herself a nigerian,her folks are.whats the stress coz she gats american certificate.why obama no come kenya come develop?america will always be number one in their hearts |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by zstranger: 11:27pm On May 08, 2011 |
skypopson: trust me, Yorubas never forget home. Yoruba First, Nigerian second, Nigerian-American third, Akata? never |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by Nobody: 4:54am On May 09, 2011 |
skypopson: Good point. Well as I said bro, that may be her case but I highly doubt it. It's just (white) American media and culture as a whole likes to grab the 'best' until they get into trouble. You will hear about how 'Nigerian' she is when she does something wishy washy white Americans see as 'dishonorable'. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by Nobody: 4:57am On May 09, 2011 |
Any Nigerian, born of a Nigerian parent, in any land, is a Nigerian. Period. When Nigerian-Americans commit crimes or kill their wivves, they dont say Biafrans or Nigerian American o. Na Nigeria go be on the headline in 72 size font. Anywaz, more worried about my own success here. Hoping to put more men in jail in the future. Ase! |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by VALIDATOR: 8:47am On May 09, 2011 |
It pains my heart to see that almost every topic degrades to tribal "war" on NL. A Nigerian has achieved something good out there.We should be happy for her irrespective of where in Nigeria her parents come from. We need to love one another more OR just break up if it is impossible. |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by sandokaa: 12:50pm On May 09, 2011 |
Somebody just told me the girl is from Bauchi. So, why are the Yorubas rushing to claim her? This one na educated almajiri living in USA! Thank God, she doesn't belong to CPC! |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by dara22: 3:46pm On May 09, 2011 |
wish u luck |
Re: 15-year-old Naija Girl Is Harvard/ivy-bound by lagcity(m): 6:35pm On May 09, 2011 |
@ KILODE: stop grabbing for the straw. people from all continents have contributed science. nothing special about western culture or language gives westerners an edge in science even though they've contributed immensely to modern science as we know it. remember the west hasn't always led the world and i'm sure it won't continue to do so forever. |
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