Kobojunkie:

um .  . . you might want to calm down next time, read the message contained to gain a better understanding of what is being said. Your post does not change any of the message contained in what @Violent has there.  

sirjec:

What I was actually saying is God enjoins us to bring our gift to his house. If the I do my part and the pastor takes the gift as his, is it my problem? I just do my part and I tell God I've done my part. If I fulfil God's laws and alone the line someone eat it, am I going to fight the person?

sirjec:

Unlike elections where you are asked to vote and protect your votes, there is nothing like give and protect your gifts in the Bible, after all God knows he will not come down to eat the gifts and has instructed the gifts are for the Levites (Ministers).

sirjec:

God's judgement will start from his men and I know God is watching so why should I start judging men of God?

Bawss1:

What was he trying to do? Buy his way to heaven?

People have made enriching their pastors a basic tenet of Christianity so challenging this is next to impossible.

ode remo:

@GODSON2009. you are turning this into a joke now, are u able to put a simple cost to the above pls, i.e the books, the speeches, the audios and tapes etc.
and y should his congregation sow into oyedepos life and not theirs, shouldnt the pastors dissuade mmbers doing this.
anoda question that been wagging the tail is y is 2 of oyedepos son the head his international arm, i.e london and the U.S OR THAT IS PART OF sowing into the family ?

am a christian but there are some things that cant be defended,men of GOD do not need private jets to propagate the gospel,i was suprised the day i learnt warren buffet one of the richest men in the world who owns substancial shares in net jet manufacturers of airplanes,jets yet he doesnt have his own private jet, the money will go a long way in setting up soup kitchesns,subsidised healthcare for church members and as other sources of welfare

ode remo:

i@GODSON, that i lifted frm your earlier statement on the oda channel, are we into double standard here.?
altho the source of income is @ play not the use, but q. still relevant.

Kobojunkie:

@Violent did not say he/she is against bringing gifts to God.

Also, if you do your part and the pastor takes the gift as his, IT IS YOUR PROBLEM --- THE BIBLE says you are ACCOUNTABLE for what you do with that which the Lord has given you. You giving the money to a pastor that you know will likely take it as a gift will not make you LESS ACCOUNTABLE. The Bible does not say you should give with your eyes closed. . . it enjoins you to hold those who you have as your leaders ACCOUNTABLE because God himself will hold you to account. Or is that part of the Bible to be ignored?
Actually, you are wrong there. The bible tells you over and over that God will ask you to account for what he gave you, including the money he gave you. If you say you paid it in tithes, and offering, do you really believe that God will not ask you why you chose to pay it to a pastor who you know uses it for his personal benefit? A call to christianity is not a call to ignorance. Knowing what I know of How God judges in the Bible, He will probably ask you why you chose to continue pretending to pay him tithe by giving money to a swindler who masquerades as a pastor, even after He, God, revealed to you that the person was not his, and even opened your eyes to what is going on. Jesus might throw in the bit about how he warned you of this when he said many will call him "Master, Master" on that day but he will say to them, "get the hence for I know ye not".
You will be judged EQUALLY as those who YOU pretend are God's men. You are EQUALLY accountable as those who you take as leaders over you.

sirjec:

My dear you know little about tithing

mail me your number @ asirjec@yahoo.com for us to discuss this offline. I believe we have a lot to learn from each other.

I'll asure you that you'll start paying your tithe henceforth

Brand_new:

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I once stepped into Christ embassies white house. The building is just behind the Church complex. I was astonished by the share wealth and extravagant furnishing in the building. I couldn't believe that was what my little contributions as tithes and donations go to.
It was way beyond an average wealthy man's taste.
I simply can't describe how astonished i was.
I walked right past the lobby up until the 3rd floor. I guess it was miracle on my part. God simply revealed to me the stupendous wealth and lavish living of most of these pastors. I hardly go to church now cuz to me , they are nothing more than money making ventures.
Then i heard this story which was true. About Bishop Oyedepo trying to evade Ghanaian Tax laws by stuffing vehicles tires with hard currencies and drove then all the way to Nigeria. I was hugely disappointed.

omo9ja1:

@Violent and all your follower

PLEASE READ

1.GO AND START YOUR CHURCH AND GATHERED AS MUCH PEOPLE
2.I BELIEVE YOU WERE BORN A CHRISTIAN WHY ARE YOU PROSECUTING THE BODY OF CHRIST
3.COME BACK IN A YEARS TIME AND TELL US HOW MUCH YOU MADE IN YOUR CHURCH BUSINESS
4.THIS MEN OF GOD E.G OYEDEPO,ADEBOYE,KUMUYI THEY ARE ALL GRADUATE WITH EITHER FIRST CLASS IF THEY WERE IN PUBLIC BUSINESS I GUESS YOU KNOW WHERE THEY WILL BELONG NOW.
5. YOU ARE SIMPLY JEALOUS OF THEIR RICHIES

luckynzo:

Who says Bishop Oyedepo has no tangible products or services? Do you guys think it's easy to cater for the spiritual needs of thousands of people. Do you know how many months of prayers and fasting he embarks on before any successful Shiloh event? This man has invested his entire life into God's work and deserves his reward. Give him a break.

Meldrick:

@ poster
you seem really jobless.
Instead of you to think of how to better your life and look for a job to enable you put food on your table, you are researching on another man who is doing his own job.

Keep researching on irrelevant subjects. We are looking for researchers for the cure of various life threatning ailments, you are researching rubbish. One day you will reasearch about some hot slaps on that have landed your face

cinzo:

Am so disappointed that you could stoop this low to bash a man of God. How much money will you stash in the tires of a car and how many cars will you send?
Think about it now!

Brand_new:

[size=20pt]My personal story.[/size]

I once stepped into Christ embassies white house. The building is just behind the Church complex. I was astonished by the share wealth and extravagant furnishing in the building. I couldn't believe that was what my little contributions as tithes and donations go to.
It was way beyond an average wealthy man's taste.
I simply can't describe how astonished i was.
I walked right past the lobby up until the 3rd floor. I guess it was miracle on my part. God simply revealed to me the stupendous wealth and lavish living of most of these pastors. I hardly go to church now cuz to me , they are nothing more than money making ventures.
Then i heard this story which was true. About Bishop Oyedepo trying to evade Ghanaian Tax laws by stuffing vehicles tires with hard currencies and drove then all the way to Nigeria. I was hugely disappointed.

Ask yourself What Would Jesus Do? Give 10% of his salary to a Pastor who already has two luxurious Jets parked in his hanger along with a fleet of cars. . . . . or give the money to his neighbour who could barely survive on 2 meals a day?. . . .Let's say in this instance, Jesus could only part with 10% of his salary?

If Jesus Christ gave several parables about helping the poor, needy, sick and imprisoned and NONE on tithe paying or 'sowing seed', if the Apostles in the New Testament greatly encouraged helping the poor, charitable acts and ministering to the sick, why are you Nigerians far more interested in paying Tithes and 'sowing seeds' than charity and actual acts of love?