wonderz:

@Violent,
I tried as much as possible not to compose a response. But I feel you need serious enlightenment. That you passed through the four corners of an ivory tower does not make you educated. For you to understand the mystery of kingdom wealth, it takes much more than that. I've seen comment on this thread which more than answer some of your questions but should you need further answers, leave me an email and I will get in touch with you.

Kobojunkie:

NOTE: Do not play the typical Nigerian card -- the "I AM HOLIER THAN THOU" card because no one is, in the sight of the Lord.

musKeeto:

David Mark goes to church. Obasanjo is still a Christian. You think going to church gives you morals, teaches you how to treat people right, how to lead a people in integrity,, please one doesn't need to attend a church to have morals or even to be 'saved'. Of what use is being saved if you can't treat people right?

Most of Oyedepo's church members can't pay his university's school fees? TRUE or FALSE
Most of Oyedepo's church members are still waiting on God for cars? TRUE or FALSE
Even if his money is legit, as one who preaches love and peace and fairness, is it MORAL for him to have four PRIVATE jets? YES or NO
Do you know the POPE doesn't have a private jet?
Do you realise that with the number of members that fill up pews across the country, the church can single-handedly change the story of NIGERIA if it can sponsor PEOPLE of integrity into relevant positions?

If you blame a member's poverty on 'his faith no strong', how does that correlate with Jesus saying 'if your faith is as small as a mustard seed'?

As Joyce Meyer said 'Staying in a church won't make me a Christian, just like sleeping in a garage won't make one a car',

Maybe we need to go back to the LOVE scriptures, that's what JESUS was all about.

I'm not saying Oyedepo should not flex  , or not be prosperous, but a little moderation on his part would help a lot,

@Violent,
I tried as much as possible not to compose a response. But I feel you need serious enlightenment. That you passed through the four corners of an ivory tower does not make you educated. For you to understand the mystery of kingdom wealth, it takes much more than that. I've seen comment on this thread which more than answer some of your questions but should you need further answers, leave me an email and I will get in touch with you

Meldrick:

Yes it's not about going to church. I agree and that's why the bible talks of not just been the hearer of the word but also been the doer but you must have forgotten the part of the bible that talks about not forsakeen the gathering of believers. You must have also forgotten that your going to church is not for any man but your own spiritual edification. You also must have forgotten that when you go to church, you do not go to seek the face of man but God. You must also have forgotten that your so-called Obasanjo and David Mark are not those you should look unto neither should they be your models but our Lord Jesus Christ.

violent:

I tire o, my sista!

I bet these same people would be crawling out like ants demanding Larry King's audacity to dare ask a "man of God" such a question!
geez!

Kobojunkie:

I notice you don't answer questions -- you simply attack views that do not sit well with your current level of reasoning.

What does it matter if the poster is a Christian or not? If this pastor were to sit in front of, say Larry King or Pierce Morgan and be asked this question, what answers would he give? How much does he write for himself as yearly salary from all that money collected?

Kobojunkie:


Well, the questions have been flowing but you have yet to answer a single one.
Note: You are likely aware that you are not arguing with uninformed im-beciles -- could be reason why you feel whatever answers you have will not do.

Brand_new:

These morons are too blinded to know they're been hoodwinked while the "PASTORS" All smile to the bank and solve their "spiritual needs" with the congregations money.

violent:

Charitable needs?  fcking Chraitable needs?

If Oyedepo could buy a 30million dollar jet, do you have an idea how many hungry Nigerians could be fed with that amount?

ask yourself What Would Jesus Do if he had 30 million dollars?  buy a Jet? 

Kobojunkie:

1a. At this point, it obvious from your posts that you do not have good answers and NO,you have not really provided answers, more like Attacks ( ) and rebuttals.

2a. Correction -- the man himself has given several interviews and in none has he insinuated that he made his wealth outside of the church, At least read the man's own profile to begin with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Oyedepo

Imagine the above in a pastor's profile? What does that say of people like Bill gates who worked hard for every single penny?

wonderz:

@Violent,
After I've spoken with you, you are free to share with the forum.
Thanks.

duno:

At first i thought - this is another pastor bashing thread and then thot maybe not. But the above has shown this is a pastor bashing thread!!! No amount of reasoning will change the pastor bashing crusaders on NL so no more comments!

violent:

Thanks!

But as it is obvious that I am not the only one that needs serious enlightenment here, @Kobojunkie, @jaybee, @jakumo, @bk.babe, @ekt_bear are among the several others who might need elightenment. . . .Do you suppose you could share this knowledge on the mystery of kingdom wealth here, so that I wouldn't be the only one to benefit from it?

Kobojunkie:


Imagine the above in a pastor's profile? What does that say of people like Bill gates who worked hard for every single penny?

Meldrick:

So because he is a man of God, he should live from hand to mouth. You will feel celebrated seeing men of God begging you for food to eat. Only Bill gates is working, they are not working. shhhh

Meldrick:

So because he is a man of God, he should live from hand to mouth. You will feel celebrated seeing men of God begging you for food to eat. Only Bill gates is working, they are not working. shhhh

Meldrick:

Yes it's not about going to church. I agree and that's why the bible talks of not just been the hearer of the word but also been the doer but you must have forgotten the part of the bible that talks about not forsakeen the gathering of believers. You must have also forgotten that your going to church is not for any man but your own spiritual edification. You also must have forgotten that when you go to church, you do not go to seek the face of man but God. You must also have forgotten that your so-called Obasanjo and David Mark are not those you should look unto neither should they be your models but our Lord Jesus Christ.
You must have also forgotten of the children that mocked Prophet Elijah in the bible and he cursed them, the consequence was fatal. You must also have forgotten David's wife who mocked him for dancing to the Lord, she became barren for life. Don't be too forward and quick to judge men of God because you have never been appointed a judge over them neither are you worthy of judging them. A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE

Seun:

I think Bishop Oyedepo is better than most.  He takes money from unproductive people and invests it in productive things like Covenant University and Landmark University, which are badly needed in our country.  So he's the last pastor we should criticize.  He's a net asset to the country.

Seun:

I think Bishop Oyedepo is better than most.  He takes money from unproductive people and invests it in productive things like Covenant University and Landmark University, which are badly needed in our country.  So he's the last pastor we should criticize. He's a net asset to the country.

wonderz:

@Kobojunkie,
I will speak with @Violent if he's willing and then he can took the 'pain' to type out what enlightenment he's received.
This is not the first time, men of God will be criticized. It won't stop today. And infact, it shouldn't stop!
But it's better to be enlightened that joining bandwagons,
You only come to fora like this and rant based on the level of your knowledge. When you know more, your eyes will clear!

violent:

But they all do that, don't they?  it seems almost an unwritten obligation--owning a Univeristy that is!

Kobojunkie:

Bill Gates worked to produce products since he was 13, struggled to sell that product to people for years, to get where he is today.  What similar accomplishment, if any does this pastor and others who are considered richest in the world boast of?

Kobojunkie:


Here are more direct questions for you.

a) How much does the pastor give himself as salary each year?

b) How much are his expenses and how does he justify them?

c) What fraction of monthly take ins go to actually tending to the poor in the immediate communities around the many churches?

d) What service do these churches offer and how often?

wonderz:

@Kobojunkie,
I am not here to exchange heated words or argue unneccessarily with you. However, if you need such details, visit the church and gather those information they are there. If you care to know, the church keeps records of every single inflow and outflow to the minutest details. It's not hidden,

wonderz:

Have you given it a thought for once?
Are you saying a church that has over 150,000 members in attendance every Sunday, all of them are morons?? Please, let's talk as enlightened people (if you are).

Olaisrich:

@ poster, i understand that there are some issues you dont argue with unlike minds,
but if that bothers you, you may need to read some of his books,understand and beleive it. for example, BREAKING FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, and come back and tell us what you would have understood about
this man!

wonderz:

@Violent,
After I've spoken with you, you are free to share with the forum.
Thanks.

Kobojunkie:

Please stop rambling already!!  I told you I am probably more enlightened than you are because I KNOW the numbers from my church --- Telling me the information exists is NOT the same as YOU KNOWING THE CONTENT, you know that right? So, before you go around telling people you know more than they do, you probably should do your homework. You need to try to learn to read a bit more. Go back to pages one and two of this thread to read from there. Then when you come back, you will actually be more caught up with what is going on here.