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Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by JUO(m): 3:50pm On May 20, 2011
9ja i hail thee
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by duno: 3:55pm On May 20, 2011
AjanleKoko:

I'm no fan of GEJ . . . but how is this his fault? He's just telling it like it is.
We have functioned like this since 1999. Why do you all expect him to jettison the constitution just like that?

It would have been better if he had said - this cannot be achieved without constitutional amendment as such we will be sending a bill to the NASS for the amendment of the constitu,
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by md4real(m): 3:58pm On May 20, 2011
im not surprised, large cabinet makes it easier to share the spoil, it status qu(business as usual). fresh air indeed.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by Gbawe: 4:00pm On May 20, 2011
mbulela:

is that a joke??
pls see my earlier comment.
David Mark and his band of travellers ammended a portion of the rules of the senate to close the door on Saraki et al from seeking positions in the senate in less than 10 days.
If GEJ has an interest whatsoever in reverting this status quo of buz as usual that is ruining this country he could get that silly clause in the constitution ammended in less than a month in the NASS and all state house of assembly.
Yet he has been in power for over a year.
Let him make an attempt and let us see those who will attempt to frustrate it and we will know who to direct our ire at.
He just throws up his hands at the first opportunity and tells us that it is in the constitution.
Who told him we are too dumb not to know it is in the constitution?
36 ministers!!!
for what?this democracy is becoming too expensive (after you factor in the allowances of Mark and his fellow clowns).
Fresh Air needs balls not just mouthing it on FB and stickers.

I wonder OOO. If a President comes in and bows/surrenders to the status quo , especially in important fundamental areas keeping us underdeveloped, why did we then pick them him , out of many , as the person with the solutions to our problems?  

England does not have constitution ? Look at the drastic reforms and cuts one of the richest Countries in the world is making to assist the drive for increased prosperity yet some find it expedient to defend a President of one of the poorest nation on earth who states that he cannot address a fundamental issues analysts home and abroad have agreed is a very serious problem for Nigeria requiring urgent and immediate attention?

Some forget that this is the same leader of one of the poorest nation on Earth ordering airplanes at a time when a leader of one of the richest Nation on Earth (David Cameron) chose to fly on public airlines !!!! While cuts and austere considerations informed the priorities of Government worldwide GEJ was spending money like it was going out of fashion !!!! Running bloated, wasteful and unnecessarily profligate Government has been the hallmark of GEJ's Presidency . Indeed he has been much criticised for it universally . We can all just not suddenly develop amnesia today and forget the past because GEJ has gained 4 years. He is the same leader spending frivolously plus creating wasteful and unneeded positions to accomodate the likes of Bianca Ojukwu.

In case some do not know , [b]the ludicrously unacceptable and much criticised cost of sustaining the FG is directly part of the problem of Nigeria as it means reccurrent expenditure is needlessly high thus making less money available for capital spending!!! [/b]Capital spending is by far more important . Releasing more money for it should be where a serious President , especially one claiming he will only do a term, should begin. With talks like this , it is obvious Jonathan is planning to fail.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by queensmith: 4:27pm On May 20, 2011
We dont need 36 ministers- thats why we have governors. We need to stop 'politically appointing' key regulators of Nigerias economy! We need to start employing them permanantly on merit and have a completely independant body made of of specialists of each field (economists, foreign policy, mineral resource, commerce) voting and decidinf key changes in each ministry. That way we have a community of people collectively choosing in the best interests of the country rather than the rich 30%.
Politicians shouldnt be able to appoint anybody except for direct members of thier party ,that will be paid and regulated by an independant inec (to avoid party members exploiting public funds)
The system needs a complete makeover- but the law and constitution still needs to be respected. At least lest us solidify the legal system so we can bring all the past cheif robbers of Nigeria (obasanjo) to justice!
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by Akosbaba(m): 4:38pm On May 20, 2011
respect for the constitution,sounds democratic
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by duno: 4:53pm On May 20, 2011
^^^^ yeah right. And convenient grin grin grin grin
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by enyojo(f): 5:11pm On May 20, 2011
He can 'employ' 500 ministers for all I care so long as they are not paid more than N100,000 only
And do not enjoy juicy allowances.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by ojubi(m): 5:20pm On May 20, 2011
Not just GEJ carbinet that need to be reduced. We need 36 senators, 36 house of reps members, 10 state house of assembly members for all the states. Salary and allowances of cabinets members and that of national assembly members should be cut to that of level 16 civil servants. Insted creating states the existing parasitic states should be merged.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by OAM4J: 5:49pm On May 20, 2011
Last time I checked, they always have more than 36 ministers and countless Special advisers. if GEJ is serious about a leaner cabinet, let him first stick to 36 ministers and reduce the number of his special advisers to three at most. He doesn't need any constitution amendment to do that.

But we know this is impossible because such appointments are used as payback to their many loyal party members and campaign sponsors.

How much progress can a country that spend much more on on recurrent expenditure than capital expenditure make? smh!
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by ava2: 5:50pm On May 20, 2011
chei!!! Constitutional "one chance"
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by Nobody: 6:03pm On May 20, 2011
mbulela:

is that a joke??
pls see my earlier comment.
David Mark and his band of travellers ammended a portion of the rules of the senate to close the door on Saraki et al from seeking positions in the senate in less than 10 days.
If GEJ has an interest whatsoever in reverting this status quo of buz as usual that is ruining this country he could get that silly clause in the constitution ammended in less than a month in the NASS and all state house of assembly.
Yet he has been in power for over a year.
Let him make an attempt and let us see those who will attempt to frustrate it and we will know who to direct our ire at.
He just throws up his hands at the first opportunity and tells us that it is in the constitution.
Who told him we are too dumb not to know it is in the constitution?
36 ministers!!!
for what?this democracy is becoming too expensive (after you factor in the allowances of Mark and his fellow clowns).
Fresh Air needs balls not just mouthing it on FB and stickers.
You're being unfair to the man. Who told you he has no intentions of amending the clause? You wouldn't expect him to take that action earlier because it could have been harmful to his presidential ambitions. Give him some time to act, he has not been sworn in as president.
Besides, you don't know how much his ministers and assistants are being paid. Even if its high, do they earn more than the federal reps who undoubtedly are the most unproductive politicians in Nigeria?
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by Nobody: 6:12pm On May 20, 2011
ojubi:

Not just GEJ carbinet that need to be reduced. We need 36 senators, 36 house of reps members, 10 state house of assembly members for all the states. Salary and allowances of cabinets members and that of national assembly members should be cut to that of level 16 civil servants. Insted creating states the existing parasitic states should be merged.
Exactly. Nigeria has too many federal and state legislators. We even have more senators than the united states and the nigerian legislators earn more than their American counterparts. This is nothing but an effective way to water your financial resources. Those at the state level are even worse, you can hardly see a productive state house of assembly in nigeria, except in cases of impeachment and karate sessions.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by MMM2(m): 6:17pm On May 20, 2011
any how
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by ghostmaile: 6:25pm On May 20, 2011
This is ridiculous. the constitution of the federal trepublic as regards to cabinet position and size needs to be amended. Do we necesarily need the 36 states represented in the cabinet? No! ,
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by md4real(m): 6:52pm On May 20, 2011
J12:

You're being unfair to the man. Who told you he has no intentions of amending the clause? You wouldn't expect him to take that action earlier because it could have been harmful to his presidential ambitions. Give him some time to act, he has not been sworn in as president.
Besides, you don't know how much his ministers and assistants are being paid. Even if its high, do they earn more than the federal reps who undoubtedly are the most unproductive politicians in Nigeria?
another advocate of give him time, change is something that is constamt and no matter how little, it cant be hidden. this dude was advised by his own PAC and he said it cant be done. i beg, if the bank accounts can swell over night, why cant we see or smell the changes?
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by blacklion(m): 7:04pm On May 20, 2011
The constitution says there must be 36 ministers - one for each state - but it does not specify that they must be of cabinet rank or ministers of state. Its silent on that point. GEJ can appoint 18 ministers of full cabinet rank to supervise 18 ministries i.e. 3 each from the 6 geo-political zones. The remaining 18 constitutionally mandated ministerial slots can be appointed as Ministers of State in the Presidency i.e. they are basically Special Advisers but with 'honorary' ministerial rank. They will not actually supervise any ministry or attend federal cabinet meetings. That will satisfy the constitutional requirement while reducing the federal bureaucracy to just 18 ministries with 18 ministers.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by Nobody: 7:20pm On May 20, 2011
See Enemies! They want GEJ to use his remaining four years fighting for the amendment of the constitution .Is constitutional amendment a child play? or Is it like going to return a bad good to the market where it was bought?Do we know it would not involve just the national assembly,but also the state legislatures to effect an amendment to the constitution? The fact is GEJ should make the reduction comes from the Special advisers and ensure the provision of the constitution that says each state must contribute at least a minister to the federal cabinet is upheld!!!
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by ibrutex(m): 7:59pm On May 20, 2011
go ahead and make d Amendment we nid action please,
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by blacklion(m): 8:49pm On May 20, 2011
FYI, the constitution was amended within 6 months in order to allow certain provisions of the Electoral Act to be enacted as recommended by the Uwais panel; without it, the 2011 elections would not have held.

So the same means and speed that GEJ applied to secure amendment of the constitution when he needed to pass the Electoral Act can equally be applied to amending the constitutional requirement for 36 ministers.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by ibedun: 9:14pm On May 20, 2011
Seriously!!

Do you expect this guy to just simply violate the constitution even if for a good intention?

Are we losing our sense of reasoning, in a democracy!!.

GEJ should obey the constitution first, carry out consultations and then propose an amendment during his elected term if indeed there is a merit to this (more than just money/cost)

The provision was inserted into the constitution for a reason.

Many of you people in Nairaland cannot run a shop or local council meeting let alone a country.

Babangida to his credit (he has very few) said Nigeria is a very difficult country to rule because as a people talk/act first and reason later.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by yommys01(m): 9:43pm On May 20, 2011
Where are all the GEJ fans? I have always known nothing good can come from PDP ( no one should tell us it is too early to judge after all those who said the morning determines are the rest of the day will be are not totally wrong ).  I like him like a person but being a PDP member, he will have so many obligations which is exactly what we are seeing.

He is claiming the constitution does not allow it but the constitution says 1 minister from each state, do we have 42 states in Nigeria? Where did the constitution mention the extra large of other add ons such as the PAs and the SA e.t.c?

We can lament all we care, that will change nothing. The only thing we can do is to pray and hope for a change. I just hope those GEJ ( those who claim to be voting for GEJ and not PDP ) will finally wake up or pray for GEJ to disappoint us who are anti PDP and that believe nothing Good can come from them.

ibedun:

Seriously!!

Do you expect this guy to just simply violate the constitution even if for a good intention?

Are we losing our sense of reasoning, in a democracy!!.

GEJ should obey the constitution first, carry out consultations and then propose an amendment during his elected term if indeed there is a merit to this (more than just money/cost)

The provision was inserted into the constitution for a reason.

Many of you people in Nairaland cannot run a shop or local council meeting let alone a country.

Babangida to his credit (he has very few) said Nigeria is a very difficult country to rule because as a people talk/act first and reason later.
Seriously, no one is losing his or her sense of reasoning here. It is just that you GEJ fans do not want to think. How long did it take the houses to amend the constitution to stop courts from annulling an election and installing the real authentic winner?

Let's be sincere to ourselves, if it ( the amendment ) favors PDP, they would have done something by now.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by EPOMA(m): 10:29pm On May 20, 2011
ak47mann:

[b]MARK MY WORD [/b]gej Govt. will tell if Nigeria will still be one or not undecided undecided undecided
Seconded
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by EPOMA(m): 10:34pm On May 20, 2011
ibedun:

Seriously!!

Do you expect this guy to just simply violate the constitution even if for a good intention?

Are we losing our sense of reasoning,   in a democracy!!.

GEJ should obey the constitution first, carry out consultations and then propose an amendment during his elected term if indeed there is a merit to this (more than just money/cost)

The provision was inserted into the constitution for a reason.

Many of you people in Nairaland cannot run a shop or local council meeting let alone a country. 

Babangida to his credit (he has very few) said Nigeria is a very difficult country to rule because as a people talk/act first and reason later.

You all shouting constitution, someone mentioned here earlier that David Mark rushed and changed some laws in the senate  in 10 days to favour him becoming the next senate leader and please can someone tell me how it was possible for OBJ  to be control the petroleum ministry in his time in office, was that constitutional
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by dayokanu(m): 10:36pm On May 20, 2011
FRESH AIR

I dey laff
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by EvilBrain1(m): 12:44am On May 21, 2011
If memory serves, they ammended the constitution twice last year because of the election. The legislators amended the constitution to make it harder to reduce their allowances. If GEJ really wanted a leaner government, he can force another amendment in a matter of weeks. He obviously wants to preserve the current bloated, corrupt system and he can't even cook up a decent excuse to do so.

This shouldn't surprise anyone sha. You vote for PDP, you get PDP. I hope you guys are happy.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by epalava(f): 3:35am On May 21, 2011
Na wao. These people are trying hard to control this guy its impossible let him be
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by qmd24(m): 6:53am On May 21, 2011
i dey laugh oo
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by Gbawe: 7:20am On May 21, 2011
qmd24:

i dey laugh oo

Me sef .

Those defending GEJ here are just showing that they have fallen victim to 419 political opportunism and deceit 101.

The PAC (Presidential advice committee) GEJ himself set up told him , last year, that he must curb waste and reduce the size of Government. If Jonathan is a sincere politician why did he not give them this same reply last year? Of course he could not . Our opportunistic President knows that the electorate would not like to hear him declare impotence against tackling one of our biggest headache !!!

Instead GEJ said nothing last year knowing fully well that once he has 4 more years he can begin his "voltron" act for the "owners of Nigeria" without having to pretend anymore. In other words , Mr. President knows that with 4 years he can show his true colours Nigerians will not like but are powerless to do anything about because he is top dog for 4 years.  Nigerians supported him unanimously and some of us said their support will be very costly for our Nation given the undoubted 'deals' he would have done to get all the deleterious AGIPs behind him. Those who voted this man in should just accept anything he does rather than try to blindly defend what cannot be defended.

My only consolation is that the SW , somewhat independent, can have some insulation from the gross misrule of the PDP-led profligate centre.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by moderattor: 8:16am On May 21, 2011
morons have forgotten that it was GEj who raised the issue of constitutional ammendment. they have also forgotten that he has not even been sworn in. we are praying that GEJ should slash education cost within 30 days so that morons can go to school.
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by Nobody: 8:42am On May 21, 2011
I predict thus: GEJ is the last PDP President. We will vote out PDP in 2015. ACN President will hold the flag from 2015 -2023
Re: Jonathan: Leaner Cabinet Impossible For Now by Gbawe: 8:52am On May 21, 2011
moderattor:

morons have forgotten that it was  GEj who raised the issue of constitutional ammendment. they have also forgotten that he has not even been sworn in. we are praying that GEJ should slash education cost within 30 days so that morons can go to school.

Perhaps it is you who needs the education you think others require. Is GEJ not currently the President? Has he not been substantive President for a Year now? Why did GEJ not give this same response when PAC and the entire world adviced him to trim down the size and cost of Governance earlier? Was he not "sworn in" then as well?

Furthermore, why did GEJ not wait to be "sworn in" before he disbanded the Presidential advice committee , while giving their advice short shrift , and coming out to state that a leaner cabinet is not possible for now? Is any Presidential directive from GEJ today less potent than one he will give after being sworn in? Abeg find something else to do. One would expect at least semi-intelligent argument from you after You come in here calling folks "morons" repeatedly, ungraciously and uncouthly .

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