YOUTH REPORT: CHELSEA 4 FULHAM 2

The Under 18s' improvement in results continued on Saturday at Cobham as they made it three wins in the last four games with some quality finishing in an entertaining and well-balanced encounter.
For the second weekend running, the side that had been sitting top of the league table was beaten by Adi Viveash's side. It was Chelsea with the upper hand in the first half, goals from John Swift and a Lewis Baker penalty giving the young Blues a 2-1 advantage at the break.

http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2514375,00.html

dayokanu:

Holland in Euro 2000 played Cocu and Davids as the 2 CM the 4&10

Bergkamp was the support striker the 8 beside Kluivert

cocu is the 4, davids is the 8(roles they often swap in euro 2000)
bergkamp is 10, kluivert is 9.

zonal marking said so that classic no 10s were used in the hole. as at that time, bergkamp was a classic 10 for arsenal between 95 and 2004 when he retired. dayokanu, stop making a mockery of yourself on a public forum.

ritchboy:

A 10 is a midfielder in the hole(CAM), Bergkamp played mainly as a forward in the hole(SS).

a 10 is not a midfielder in the hole, you homoerotic ninny.
that trend only changed in 2000 circa when most teams started playing the trequartista between the lines! it was because teams used men between the lines that even prompted real madrid to make makelele role a global issue. a tackler that will sit in front of the back four to murder the player in the hole!

that is the article from zonal marking -task your brain and use it.

Crouch is a playmaker?

an unorthodox playmaker!!!
what do you call those knockdowns to the path of his strike partners.
see this mumu. he's not [/b]a [b]classic playmaker like the zidanes, kakas, rui costas, etc.

Yorke/Cole, Shearer/Les are also "classical number 10 playmakers"

yes they were. they interchange the roles based on the state of play. this is why we now have hybrid of strikers (10 + 9) or messi's false 9!
players like van persie, rooney, messi,  berbatov, robbie keane, anelka, di natale, drogba, etc. players who can either play as a classic centre forward or a classic playmaker or both! depending on what tactics the manager decide to use, these players can play the lone striker or have a supporting striker. this is why we have 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-5-1 or 3-5-2.

AC Milan have played without wingers for a long time, your "there must be a playmaker" argument is simply absurd. It's amazing how you manage to say so much but evade the question. Unless you are telling me there are only 11 FIXED roles in football then your argument falls flat on it's face.

i am weeping my butt off at this useless goat. ac milan did not have right midfielders? in 2003, they had camoranesi and zambrotta on their flanks, they won the champions league then. how can you not have a playmaker in a team? it might not be the classic no 10 like the brilliant zidanes, totti or
whatever. blimey, rory delap's long-range throws alone make him a playmaker.
you are a tool!

                                    GK Valdes 1

RWB Alves 2       CB Pique 5   CB Puyol 6   LWB Adriano 3

                                  DM Busquets 4

                           CM Xavi ?        CM Iniesta ?

                                      SS Messi ?
                RF Pedro ?                           LF Villa ?

this is the easiest task i have been asked to do all my life.
because the formation is a 4-3-3 formation employing 2 wing forwards, messi becomes 9(false), villa is 11, pedro is 7.
xavi and iniesta rotate the 10/8 roles depending on the state of play.

anything else?

Why don't you try ascribing numbers to the rest of the team and see how silly you'd look.

piece of cake! i have solved your puzzle within 3 secs.

You've already been found out after making an absolute mockery of your brain, and yet somehow you are still talking.

According to Coogar:

That means there are two "leagues" in the fray - "English" and "Champions". Torres scored 27 goals in the "English League" and 6 in the Champions League, WHILE PLAYING IN THE ENGLISH LEAGUE, while his hair was blond, while you were(and still remain) a mor0n etc etc etc.

Only an idi0t of the highest caliber says Torres scored 33 goals in the English league and vigorously defends it.

if idiocy is a felony, you won't even get the death sentence, you would cop the death paragraph.
in which european league did torres score 33 goals in 2007/8? please answer this question in 2 words.
like i have always said, the use of english language is a huge limitation to you.

Beckham Keane Scholes Giggs

               Yorke   Cole

Who is the "number 10"? If we convert your intelligence to heat, the world would freeze over!!!

the state of play determines who the 10 would be. both are now partners.
just like the midfield. who between keane and scholes is the defensive midfielder? they take turns to fill that role depending on the state of play.
when scholes burst forward, keane must hold and vice versa. similar stuff applies in the attack, when cole holds the ball, yorke must dash forward to receive the pass and score + vice versa. this are intelligent footballers with no static roles. this is football intelligence.


like i said, you won't get a death sentence if stupidity is a felonious crime. you would get a whole page!

dayokanu:

Circa 1996, Del Piero played behind Ravanelli and Vialli So who was he supposrting there?

look at this moronic beast of burden. del piero did not play behind ravanelli and vialli.
he played with all of these strikers. go and check your facts before you disgrace yourself any further.

juventus played 4-1-2-3. ravanelli, vialli and del piero were all strikers or you can call vialli/del piero(wing forwards/support strikers).

Are you this clueless? How many times have we seen players change roles? E.g Maldini played as a Central defender and also as a Left back

this is not about interchanging roles. bergkamp was a classic 10 for arsenal. his strike partner was ian wright and later henry!

Alan Smith is a striker and then became a midfielder? Which of these is too difficult for this clueless w@nker to understand?

what a simpleton! what has this gotta do with this argument?
look at this bushman - trying to deflect the argument into something completely irrelevant.
what has alan smith gotta do with this argument?

Thank you for this link cos it just exposed your cluelessness
A quote from the link
The statement indicates that a 10 plays behind more than one forward.

yet again, comprehending english language is your problem.
the premise of the article is simple. until 2000, classic 10s were support strikers in  4-4-2 formations. but in euro 2000, some teams played the classic
"10" in the whole which led to the early exits of germany and england.

In Euro 2000, Zidane played behind Henry and Duggary/Anelka, Rui Costa played behind Nuno Gomez and Joao Pinto,

see this dork! what part of this article can you not understand.
classic 10s played behind their strikers in 2000, a trend that was unprecedented until then in a 4-4-2 formation. which means before euro 2000, classic 10s were supporting strikers. just like bergkamp did for arsenal!!!!!!!!

This blunt tool from the link see 10 as Rui Costa, Zidane, Which of these 2 were strikers? or played anything close?

you are a disgrace to the people whose hard-earned money you wasted in tertiary institution.
the article told you about the

You listed Rui Costa and Zidane as 10, and you claimed a 10 was a striker/Support striker can you enlighten us on which of Zidane or Rui Costa was a striker in their lifetime?

dayokanu, are you really sure you went to a university.
that article was talking about  the struggle of the classic 10s before 2000, during 2000 euros and after 2000 euros and even right now.
before 2000, classic 10s were support strikers.
during euro 2000, some teams played their classic 10s in the hole. those who did not were eliminated sharply e.g england n germany.
presently, teams have now stopped playing their classic 10s in the hole again.

zidane played as 10 when del piero isn't on the pitch. with del piero on the pitch, zidane played behind piero and inzaghi. you cannot have 2 players playing as "10" in a team. zonalmarking agrees zidane is a 10, and you are using your sketchsports village mentality to argue.
you dey craze?

Totti started as a 10(Midfielder) e.g in 2005 when he played behind Crespo and Sheva which was later drafted to 8 in 2007 (Support striker) playing behind a lone striker Sheva/Inzaghi

zonalmarking says totti is a "10", stop arguing.  in euro 2000, totti was a playmaker supporting delvecchio in the final.
in 2006, it's totti supporting luca toni as the playmaker in italy's 4-4-2.

zonal marking said so that classic no 10s were used in the hole. as at that time, beckham was a classic 10 for arsenal between 95 and 2004 when he retired.

Beckham played for Arsenal and retired in 2004? This is serious!

a 10 is not a midfielder in the hole, you homoerotic ninny.

So basically, Zidane isn't a 10?

Lemme guess, Zidane doesn't play in the hole. . . He plays in the pit!

an unorthodox playmaker!!!
what do you call those knockdowns to the path of his strike partners.

You must be an unorthodox phool, every single louse in your nether region knows knock-downs are affiliated to target-men not playmakers, but apparently you don't.

see this mumu. he's not a classic playmaker like the zidanes, kakas, rui costas, etc.

De Gea is also a playmaker because he can initiate attacks with his kicking, innit? 

yes they were. they interchange the roles based on the state of play. this is why we now have hybrid of strikers (10 + 9) or messi's false 9!
players like van persie, rooney, messi,  berbatov, robbie keane, anelka, di natale, drogba, etc. players who can either play as a classic centre forward or a classic playmaker or both!

Yorke and Shearer were classic playmakers?

Even Drogba is a CLASSIC PLAYMAKER!?!?!?

ac milan did not have right midfielders? in 2003, they had camoranesi and zambrotta on their flanks, they won the champions league then.

Blunders galore. . . Camoranesi played for AC Milan?

this is the easiest task i have been asked to do all my life.
because the formation is a 4-3-3 formation employing 2 wing forwards, messi becomes 9(false), villa is 11, pedro is 7.
xavi and iniesta rotate the 10/8 roles depending on the state of play.

Hehehe, Messi is a 9(false). Do you know anything at all or you just copy/paste everything from zonalmarking without grasping what they are even talking about?

in which european league did torres score 33 goals in 2007/8?

NONE! He scored 24 goals in the English league(top division), 3 in the League Cup, and 6 in the UCL. If this is beyond your comprehension your name should be written in gold on the brain-transplant list.

the state of play determines who the 10 would be. both are now partners.
just like the midfield. who between keane and scholes is the defensive midfielder? they take turns to fill that role depending on the state of play.
when scholes burst forward, keane must hold and vice versa. similar stuff applies in the attack, when cole holds the ball, yorke must dash forward to receive the pass and score + vice versa. this are intelligent footballers with no static roles. this is football intelligence.

the all conquering united team of 1999 had no big man, man in the hole. andy cole and dwight yorke were both target men - Coogar 4 days ago!

You have just proved beyond reasonable doubt you are by and far the phatest phool on Nairaland!!!

At this juncture i implore Nateevs to hand over the staff to you. Blimey, it should be surgically attached to you cos there's not a single life-form in the universe capable of making less sense!!

NEW PHRASE ALERT!!!

Unorthodox Phool

Definition - a cross dressing coogar called Sharon who thinks Peter Crouch is a playmaker, who demonstrates a quite unusual and uncommon form of deep seated, near-genetic phoolishness.

(c) ritchboy 2011

ritchboy:

Beckham played for Arsenal and retired in 2004? This is serious!

idiotic pedantry!
when i see stuff like this, it tells me you are defeated and you are clutching straws to pick holes in irrelevant stuffs.
for the sake of others, i meant bergkamp!

So basically, Zidane isn't a 10?

zidane is a 10. 10 was a support striker until euro 2000(4-4-2) formation.
during the tournament, tactical improvement then placed zidane in the hole - which means classic 10 now played in the hole!!!

Lemme guess, Zidane doesn't play in the hole. . . He plays in the pit!

in the pits of hell where you suck satan's scrotum.

You must be an unorthodox phool, every single louse in your nether region knows knock-downs are affiliated to target-men not playmakers, but apparently you don't.

you are a born tool!
crouch is too slow to even be a centre forward. he plays as a withdrawn striker for his ability to hold the ball against defenders and spread the play to his wingers and main striker.

De Gea is also a playmaker because he can initiate attacks with his kicking, innit?  

yes, no wonder de gea has 30 assists alone this season.
what a reprobate?

Yorke and Shearer were classic playmakers?
Even Drogba is a CLASSIC PLAYMAKER!?!?!?

what a reprobate!
you just want to argue for the sake of it. even a termite knows you are just clutching at straws here.
go and google les ferdinand and alan shearer. after then, google cole/yorke partnership. see how they work in tandem and got goals.

Blunders galore. . . Camoranesi played for AC Milan?

yet again, pedantry that had nothing to do with the argument.
if a team plays 4-3-1-2, they have sacrificed bits of width from their forwards for the creativity in the middle but they would still maintain width by letting the full backs overlap and contribute. this is why you see dani alves, evra, leighton baines, etc bomb forward and produce crosses. so you want to argue those teams don't have wingers when alves, evra, rafael, ashley cole, etc virtually sit in the opposition's half and stretch the play?

ritchboy, go and serve your death paragraph!

Hehehe, Messi is a 9(false). Do you know anything at all or you just copy/paste everything from zonalmarking without grasping what they are even talking about?

so what is messi if he's not a false 9. who were vidic and rio marking in the champions league? eduardo?
messi is a classic false 9 now ever since guardiola pushed etoo and henry wide in 2009 to allow messi initiate play from deep and score.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/08/18/mourinho-messi-false-nine/

i will continue to educate tools of nairaland even though i am not paid to do so.
it's the humanitarianism in me to teach you the rudiments of soccer, you epileptic beast of burden. you are arguing messi isn't a false 9 in 2011?

NONE! He scored 24 goals in the English league(top division), 3 in the League Cup, and 6 in the UCL. If this is beyond your comprehension your name should be written in gold on the brain-transplant list.

this boy is a tool!
fernando torres scored 33 goals in the english league in 2007/8 so stop yapping.
dayokanu who initiated the argument has since recognised his error and has moved on. you are still debating the technical difference between the league of england and the premier league. shame on you.

the all conquering united team of 1999 had no big man, man in the hole. andy cole and dwight yorke were both target men - Coogar 4 days ago!

You have just proved beyond reasonable doubt you are by and far the phatest phool on Nairaland!!!

of course, there was no man in the hole - united played 4-4-2. there was no man between the lines(between defence & midfield)
must a supporting striker play in the hole? cole/yorke were both target men and were both supporting strikers for each other depending on the state of play. keane/scholes were both attacking midfielders and were both defensive midfielders depending on the state of play. this does not mean they perform the roles together at the same instance. when one holds, one bombs forward and vice versa.

cheiiiiiiiii, ritchboy is a dork!

At this juncture i implore Nateevs to hand over the staff to you. Blimey, it should be surgically attached to you cos there's not a single life-form in the universe capable of making less sense!!

i am sure it's still possible to get you aborted legally.
how can a heap of stupidity platelets decides to reside in one human?

just arguing for the sake of it after being exposed as a tool that you are!!!

Annals of the Unorthodox Phool November 2011

Shearer was a classic playmaker

debosky:

NEW PHRASE ALERT!!!
Unorthodox Phool
Definition - a cross dressing coogar called Sharon who thinks Peter Crouch is a playmaker, who demonstrates a quite unusual and uncommon form of deep seated, near-genetic phoolishness.

(c) ritchboy 2011

awwwww, how cute!
a senior gaynner blowing the arse of a junior gaynner - the association of tools!

nairaland gaynners - the tools already responsible for every single moronic nairaland comment, forum troll, spam e-mail, fraudulent advert and thousands of bestiality websites to have ever existed in the blogosphere.

^^ By that definition, DK, Ibime, Nateevs and Sharon/Cooger (the unorthodox phool) are all gaynners - if everyone is a gaynner, then no one is a gaynner you twit!

coogar : coming from someone who supports arsenal. was dennis bergkamp not a "10" for arsenal in his prime?

ritchboy: A 10 is a midfielder in the hole(CAM), Bergkamp played mainly as a forward in the hole(SS).

analysis: simple question, was dennis bergkamp a 10 for arsenal in his prime? ritchboy answered bergkamp played mainly as a forward i[b]n the hole[/b].
it's a known fact arsenal played 4-4-2 when bergkamp was in his prime. there was no hole. throughout england, all english clubs played 4-4-2. there was no 4-3-1-2 or 4-3-2-1 or 4-2-3-1, 4-4-1-1, etc so who was in the hole? the "hole" is the space between the midfield line and the defence line
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inference: ritchboy is clueless!
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coogar: in defoe/crouch partnership, crouch becomes the playmaker.
the balls floated to him are headed in defoe's path for defoe to finish with aplomb. and the traditional english 4-4-2 does not have to play 2 forwards of big target and small target. yorke/cole - who is big and who is small? henry/bergkamp? who is big and who is small? shearer/les ferdinand? who is big and who is small?

ritchboy: Crouch is a playmaker?      
Yorke/Cole, Shearer/Les are also "classical number 10 playmakers"

analysis: here, coogar was asking ritchboy to explain his small man/big man target men theory he argued earlier. coogar asked ritchboy to answer which of henry or bergkamp would be considered small or big. which of shearer would be considered big or small, etc. ritchboy's intelligence failed to synchronise with the pace of the discussion and his final deduction was lying coogar said yorke/cole + shearer/less were classic playmakers.

where in coogar's diatribe did coogar say they were classic playmakers?

as if the brain-infecting disease isn't enough in the gaynner kingdom, debosky(without any clue of the topic discussed) dropped this lie-bomb: Shearer was a classic playmaker!!! a statement coogar never made in his comments. it can be concluded that gaynners lie and are dishonest in everything they do and they make their own arguments and try to win them by themselves.


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inference:
ritchboy and to a far extent, debosky possess the intelligence of an unborn foetus. their existence is a disgrace to humankind.
it'd be a mercy killing to have ritchboy/debosky executed. showing mercy to everyone else in the world before his stupidity spreads to mankind.
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Debosky and HellBoy will you guys please stop taking the piss. . .sorry. . . .peace. . . .sorry piss.

[size=20pt]CROUCH IS A PLAYMAKER [/size] . I go vex o!!! Seriously you guys dont know football . Rory Delap is also a player maker . Do you know how many goal scoring chances he creates from those throws? Do you, DO YOU, DO YOOOUUUU!!!! You dont , so shut up and learn football.

What nitwits, reprobrobate homo-pholic sapiens from the pits of hell. You guys dont know football.

My goodness, it's still talking!!!

for the sake of others, i meant bergkamp!

Bergkamp retired in 2004?

zidane is a 10. 10 was a support striker until euro 2000(4-4-2) formation.
during the tournament, tactical improvement then placed zidane in the hole - which means classic 10 now played in the hole!!!

You mean after Euro 2000, the God of Soccer spontaneously declared "10 is no longer a support striker"?

Oh wait, you read an article on zonalmarking about 10s circa 2000 and arrived at the unfortunate conclusion.

crouch is too slow to even be a centre forward. he plays as a withdrawn striker for his ability to hold the ball against defenders and spread the play to his wingers and main striker.

Crouch is a withdrawn striker/playmaker who "spreads play to his wingers and main striker". Ladies and gentlemen, you heard it here first!

go and google les ferdinand and alan shearer. after then, google cole/yorke partnership. see how they work in tandem and got goals.

Because they work in tandem you figure one of them is a playmaker?

yet again, pedantry that had nothing to do with the argument.

Hehehe, i ask you who the wingers were in AC Milan, you drop a massive "Camoranesi" bombshell(initially Gattuso, yea i saw that before you modified it) and you call it pedantry?

So if i say Messi won the CAF Champions League with Enyimba, you will write it off as "pedantry"?

if a team plays 4-3-1-2, they have sacrificed bits of width from their forwards for the creativity in the middle but they would still maintain width by letting the full backs overlap and contribute. this is why you see dani alves, evra, leighton baines, etc bomb forward and produce crosses. so you want to argue those teams don't have wingers when alves, evra, rafael, ashley cole, etc virtually sit in the opposition's half and stretch the play?

The question isn't whether or not AC Milan have width, it's whether or not they have wingers. Full backs are now wingers?

so what is messi if he's not a false 9. who were vidic and rio marking in the champions league? eduardo?
messi is a classic false 9 now ever since guardiola pushed etoo and henry wide in 2009 to allow messi initiate play from deep and score.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/08/18/mourinho-messi-false-nine/

"False 9" is a NAME given to a role, what we are debating here is the NUMBER(i.e Name = DM. Number = 4). What number is ascribed to a "false 9" in Coogar's metric system? Please don't say 9.

From your "holy book" aka zonalmarking:

Real tried to play high up the pitch, but Messi played so deep that Jose Mourinho didn’t know how to deal with him – the two centre-backs stayed in position, but holding a high line. Therefore, Messi could receive the ball in space, turn, then send a ball through to one of the wide forwards coming inside.

Real played high up the pitch, but Messi was STILL TOO DEEP for the CBs to mark. He even had the luxury of picking up the ball between the lines and playing in the wide-forwards COMING INSIDE(i.e to temporarily fill the CF/"9" slot)

Does this sound like a "true" number 9(Shearer) to you?

fernando torres scored 33 goals in the english league in 2007/8 so stop yapping.

Can you quote anyone from anywhere saying Torres scored 33 goals in the "English league" that season? If you cannot find a single quote from the millions of soccer websites/communities online to back up your next rant then you obviously need to shut up.

you are still debating the technical difference between the league of england and the premier league. shame on you.

Champions League/Carling Cup, olodo!

analysis: here, coogar was asking ritchboy to explain his small man/big man target men theory he argued earlier. coogar asked ritchboy to answer which of henry or bergkamp would be considered small or big. which of shearer would be considered big or small

This is what i said:

In a traditional English 4-4-2 the two forwards are usually a big target man(Crouch) and a smaller pacey runner(Defoe). So who is the 10 in that formation? The ball-boy?

Usually being the key word. Are you dyslexic?

where in coogar's diatribe did coogar say they were classic playmakers?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-673205.2336.html#msg9555171

Read your response to the quote "Yorke/Cole, Shearer/Les are also "classical number 10 playmakers"("yes they were"). Dyslexia's a bytch!

of course, there was no man in the hole - united played 4-4-2. there was no man between the lines(between defence & midfield)
must a supporting striker play in the hole? cole/yorke were both target men and were both supporting strikers for each other depending on the state of play.

Coogar: There must be a 10 in a flat 4-4-2.

Coogar: In a flat 4-4-2, the 10 is a support striker in the hole: i.e Bergkamp.

Coogar: In the Yorke/Cole partnership, there was no man in the hole.

LOLOL

According to Coogar, an out-n-out center forward/"target man" like Andy Cole is a 10 But wait for it, he actually isn't! Or is he? LMAO

analysis: simple question, was dennis bergkamp a 10 for arsenal in his prime? ritchboy answered bergkamp played mainly as a forward in the hole.
it's a known fact arsenal played 4-4-2 when bergkamp was in his prime. there was no hole. throughout england

Coogar earlier today: zonal marking said so that[b] classic no 10s were used in the hole.[/b] as at that time, bergkamp was a classic 10 for arsenal between 95 and 2004 when he retired.

"There was no hole throughout England" - - - "zonal marking said so that classic no 10s were used in the hole as at that time, bergkamp was a classic 10 for arsenal"

Arsenal must be a Japanese club then. Talk about a scatterbrain, this boy takes it to unprecedented heights!

This is the last 25 minutes i'm going to spend analyzing your [404: word not found in dictionary]

slimshay:

Debosky and HellBoy will you guys please stop taking the piss. . .sorry. . . .peace. . . .sorry piss.

Hehehe, the problem with Coogar is once you stop entertaining his lunacy, he's actually deluded enough to believe he has "won"

Ergo the wise man's most famous line.

Watch him celebrate his "victory" soon

ritchboy:

Hehehe, the problem with Coogar is once you stop entertaining his lunacy, he's actually deluded enough to believe he has "won"
Ergo the wise man's most famous line.
Watch him celebrate his "victory" soon

there's no win/loss here, is there? i have been using your face to mop the toilet bowl since years ago. who claims victory over a gaynner?
every gaynner is someone's b[/i]itch, if you don't believe me - ask debosky!
just spreading knowledge to the areas of the world where football civilization has failed to reach.
learn the band systems. it's very important before you start telling us arsenal now play 0-5-5.

ritchboy:

My goodness, it's still talking!!!

Bergkamp retired in 2004?

more pedantry from the homoerotic peasant.
whether bergkamp retired in 3000 has nothing to do with where he played.

You mean after Euro 2000, the God of Soccer spontaneously declared "10 is no longer a support striker"?
Oh wait, you read an article on zonalmarking about 10s circa 2000 and arrived at the unfortunate conclusion.

you are a tool!
arguing with you is tedious cos you reason upside down.

Crouch is a withdrawn striker/playmaker who "spreads play to his wingers and main striker". Ladies and gentlemen, you heard it here first!
Because they work in tandem you figure one of them is a playmaker?

no, one isn't. . . . .they just managed to beat everything put in front of them without a playmaker. . .
what a schlepper.

Hehehe, i ask you who the wingers were in AC Milan, you drop a massive "Camoranesi" bombshell(initially Gattuso, yea i saw that before you modified it) and you call it pedantry?

ac milan did not play 4-4-2 so there would be no wingers, you homoerotic peasant.
the premise of this debate is traditional 4-4-2 formation before you started calling teams who never played 4-4-2.
ac milan ain't a 4-4-2 team. they sacrifice width for creativity in the middle.

So if i say Messi won the CAF Champions League with Enyimba, you will write it off as "pedantry"?

what a daft analogy!!!!
camorenesi play in serie a. . . .milan play in seria a.
does messi play in africa? i have told you repeatedly - you never got the life you ordered at the counter.

The question isn't whether or not AC Milan have width, it's whether or not they have wingers. Full backs are now wingers?

wingers provide width, wing-backs provide width, wing forwards provide width.
leighton baines makes more crosses than nani + walcott put together. he is the width at everton. everton don't need to put a winger ahead of him anymore. football is fluid. not your playstation. brazil(98/2002) played with no traditional wingers - width was provided by cafu and roberto carlos!
however, they wouldn't have survived without  a playmaker. comparing a playmaker whose role cannot be filled by any other position to wingers(whose roles can be filled by virtually anyone on the pitch) is daft!

"False 9" is a NAME given to a role, what we are debating here is the NUMBER(i.e Name = DM. Number = 4). What number is ascribed to a "false 9" in Coogar's metric system? Please don't say 9.

messi would still be a 9. but a 9 who does not wait for the ball.
he goes to the midfield to collect it making his markers redundant! football has evolved!

From your "holy book" aka zonalmarking:

[i]Real tried to play high up the pitch, but Messi played so deep that Jose Mourinho didn’t know how to deal with him – the two centre-backs stayed in position, but holding a high line. Therefore, Messi could receive the ball in space, turn, then send a ball through to one of the wide forwards coming inside.

Real played high up the pitch, but Messi was STILL TOO DEEP for the CBs to mark. He even had the luxury of picking up the ball between the lines and playing in the wide-forwards COMING INSIDE(i.e to temporarily fill the CF/"9" slot)

Does this sound like a "true" number 9(Shearer) to you?

when did i call messi a true 9? are you such a tool?
i called messi a false 9 - you are asking me whether he sounds like a true 9?
what kind of a stark illiterate is this.

coogar: the sun rises in the east
ritchboy: are you saying the sun rises in the west?

Can you quote anyone from anywhere saying Torres scored 33 goals in the "English league" that season? If you cannot find a single quote from the millions of soccer websites/communities online to back up your next rant then you obviously need to shut up.

Champions League/Carling Cup, olodo!

plenty of quotes!

This is what i said:

Usually being the key word. Are you dyslexic?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-673205.2336.html#msg9555171

Read your response to the quote "Yorke/Cole, Shearer/Les are also "classical number 10 playmakers"("yes they were"). Dyslexia's a bytch!

Coogar: There must be a 10 in a flat 4-4-2.

Coogar: In a flat 4-4-2, the 10 is a support striker in the hole: i.e Bergkamp.

Coogar: In the Yorke/Cole partnership, there was no man in the hole.

LOLOL

According to Coogar, an out-n-out center forward/"target man" like Andy Cole is a 10   But wait for it, he actually isn't! Or is he? LMAO

see this mumu!
how many times has rooney played as an out n out centre forward and still played in the hole when there's a sub?
some strikers(hybrid) can actually combine the 2 roles and flourish. rooney has even played as a false 9 before against arsenal in the emirates.
dropping deep to lure vermaelen out of the defence and letting nani and js park run into the space vermaelen has left. so because of that, rooney can't play as a "10"?

ritchboy, donate your brain to a giraffe, abeg.

Coogar earlier today: zonal marking said so that[b] classic no 10s were used in the hole.[/b] as at that time, bergkamp was a classic 10 for arsenal between 95 and 2004 when he retired.

"There was no hole throughout England" - - - "zonal marking said so that classic no 10s were used in the hole as at that time, bergkamp was a classic 10 for arsenal"

Arsenal must be a Japanese club then. Talk about a scatterbrain, this boy takes it to unprecedented heights!

This is the last 25 minutes i'm going to spend analyzing your [404: word not found in dictionary]

now i know where your problem lies: you don't know the meaning of "the hole"

the football pitch is occupied by defence(line 1), midfield(line 2), attack(line 3).

so when you see 3 band formations like 4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-3-3, 4-5-1, 1-6-3, etc there's no man in the hole.
for a man to be in the hole, it has to be a 4-band formation. exampls, 4-2-3-1, 4-2-1-3, 4-4-1-1, 4-3-1-2, 3-3-1-3, etc.

arsenal played 4-4-2 in those years. hell, all the english clubs stuck to their 4-4-2 even when majority of the european teams changed to take advantage of the vulnerable 4-4-2. so i ask again: how did dennis bergkamp play in the hole when his club(arsenal) played strictly 4-4-2 just before euro 2000? if he did not, how come he was referred to as "a classic no. 10" without playing in the hole for arsenal?

ritchboy, it's that simple.
your comprehension stopped because you cannot discern the 3-band formation system and the 4-band formation system.
go and read the book "inverting the pyramid" - i used to be as clueless as you many years ago until that book unveiled the same black mist you have in your vision now.

Words are lost on Coogar. . . I can only point out your own contradictions to show you how brilliant you are.

comparing a playmaker whose role cannot be filled by any other position to wingers(whose roles can be filled by virtually anyone on the pitch) is daft!

in defoe/crouch partnership, crouch becomes the playmaker.

rory delap's long-range throws ALONE make him a playmaker.

players like van persie, rooney, messi, berbatov, robbie keane, anelka, di natale, drogba, etc. players who can either play as a classic centre forward or a classic playmaker or both!

That's at least three different positions(CM - Delap, Striker - Drogba, Support Striker - Rooney) you've listed as playmakers. But according to you: a playmaker's role "cannot be filled by any other position".

By now it's obvious to all and sundry you are a nutcase and not worth my time.


Quick recap of your legendary lines from the last 48hrs:

"Torres scored 33 goals in the English league"

"There must be a '10'(playmaker role) in a football game because it's played by 11 players"

"Crouch is a playmaker"

"Shearer, Yorke and Delap are also playmakers"

"Drogba is a CLASSIC playmaker"

"Classic number 10s are used in the hole, Bergkamp at Arsenal is a prime example, but THERE WAS NO HOLE THROUGHOUT ENGLAND"

"Zidane is a 10. 10 was a support striker until euro 2000(4-4-2) formation."

"Camoranesi played for, and won the Champions League with AC Milan"

"A wingers role can be filled by virtually anyone on the pitch"


If Jesus knew you'd be born in the future, he would have lived a very long, crucifixion-free life!

mukina2:

its what nateevs and ibime do on other team threads na

na arsenal 5 - 3 cause am

Mukina2 still dey?

Liverpool is around the corner.
Bookmakers say we will take a beating.

BlueDiva:

Mukina2 still dey?

Liverpool is around the corner.
Bookmakers say we will take a beating.

I wonder which Liverpool player y'all will buy next. . . .it seems any 'pool player that scores against Chelski must be bought - first Torres, then Mereiles. . . .who next?

But seriously though, Chelski will hammer Liverpool badly. . . .with Mata, Mereiles, Ramires and Torres. . . .Reina go hear am!!

this chap is not capable of changing.

just look at him blunder and bluster his way foolishly through irrelevant and indefensible arguments. im starting to believe he always argued witg fellow dunces whilst growing up and always won by using daft, high faluting grammer and insults. thats prolly why he adopts the same model here.


una get time sha, ur wasting your efforts. the mufu will never admit his errors, nor retract his stoopidity.

I wonder which Liverpool player y'all will buy next. . . .it seems any 'pool player that scores against Chelski must be bought - first Torres, then Mereiles. . . .who next?

Perhaps Suarez.

4llerbuntu:

this chap is not capable of changing.

just look at him blunder and bluster his way foolishly through irrelevant and indefensible arguments.  im starting to believe he always argued witg fellow dunces whilst growing up and always won by using daft, high faluting grammer and insults.  thats prolly why he adopts the same model here.

una get time sha, your wasting your efforts. the mufu will never admit his errors, nor retract his stoopidity.

this graduate of university of stupidity is here again to show us some of the moronic skills he copped in his masters degree!
why are you so foolish? do you get paid to be or it's an innate talent?

4llerbuntu? the name itself shows nothing intelligent can come out of your being!!!!
why don't you murder yourself and spare us this misery of having to stand your unique foolishness.

ritchboy:

Words are lost on Coogar. . . I can only point out your own contradictions to show you how brilliant you are.

that is because you have the attention span of a slug.

That's at least three different positions(CM - Delap, Striker - Drogba, Support Striker - Rooney) you've listed as playmakers. But according to you: a playmaker's role "cannot be filled by any other position".

football is now fluid, you homoerotic nuisance.
depending on the formation a team plays, a playmaker can be anywhere. but in a 4-4-2 formation(the main premise of this argument), a playmaker would only be a supporting striker. now you are listing drogba(4-2-3-1 + 4-3-3) and delap(an unorthodox playmaker) who is a big exception. the way stoke play is even different to be an example. ritchie, you are a buffoon. use examples of teams who strictly play 4-4-2.

By now it's obvious to all and sundry you are a nutcase and not worth my time.

no, by now it's obvious to the populace you don't argue in a straight line.
you are too dumb not to stagger.

Quick recap of your legendary lines from the last 48hrs:
"Torres scored 33 goals in the English league"

to bitchieboy;

ronaldo scored 53 goals in the spanish league last season(correct)
torres scored 33 goals in the english league in 2007/8(wrong)

what is the difference between the 2?
ritchboy, as you can see - your folly has been magnified by a coogar's telescope.

"There must be a '10'(playmaker role) in a football game because it's played by 11 players"

there's always a playmaker in a football team. someone has to take up that role.
in a strictly 4-4-2 formation. . . .the support striker is the number 10. but your moronic senses started lumping teams who don't play the 4-4-2 formation into the argument to have yourself confused. barca don't play 4-4-2 and so is it for so many teams.

"Crouch is a playmaker"

unorthodox playmaker, i stand by that.

"Shearer, Yorke and Delap are also playmakers"

very correct! shearer held for les ferdinand.
unfortunately, you were not opportuned to watch the premiership back then.

"Drogba is a CLASSIC playmaker"

when he had shevchenko or crespo ahead of him.
2004-6.

"Classic number 10s are used in the hole, Bergkamp at Arsenal is a prime example, but THERE WAS NO HOLE THROUGHOUT ENGLAND"

see this mumu - when did i say this?
when did i say classic number 10s are used in the hole - what a tool!

"Zidane is a 10. 10 was a support striker until euro 2000(4-4-2) formation."

your own arguments. zidane never played in a 4-4-2.
misunderstanding of english language is a big problem and if you mis-interprete  what's been said then you are a tool.

"Camoranesi played for, and won the Champions League with AC Milan"

moronic pedantry!

"A wingers role can be filled by virtually anyone on the pitch"

more misinterpretation from the homoerotic peasant.
a team without natural wingers would use wing forwards or wing-backs.
the winger's role is not unique. a playmaker's role is!

If Jesus knew you'd be born in the future, he would have lived a very long, crucifixion-free life!

if christ knew you'd be born in the future, he would have let the cup pass over his head before you infect 6 billion people of the world with your stupidity. like i said in the definition of a gaynner: the tools already responsible for every single moronic nairaland comment, forum troll, spam e-mail, fraudulent advert and thousands of bestiality websites to have ever existed in the blogosphere.

Annals of the Unorthodox Phool November 2011

Drogba was a playmaker

Wow! Thanks for the numbers guys!
Only Torres and Lampard could generate this much arguement on here.

Make una stop this pedantry jor!

No 10 ko, no 8 ni. Even goalkeeper fit wear no 10 sef.

Ibime:

Make una stop this pedantry jor!

No 10 ko, no 8 ni. Even goalkeeper fit wear no 10 sef.

i have moved on. . . . .

meanwhile, when is chelsea selling lampard, drogba and terry.
it's the era of the young'uns. more matas, romeuls, ramirezs, luizs, please!!!

coogar:

i have moved on. . . . .

meanwhile, when is chelsea selling lampard, drogba and terry.
it's the era of the young'uns. more matas, romeuls, ramirezs, luizs, please!!!

JT is the best product of Chelsea Youth team.
JT is the most successful captain in Chelsea history
JT will never be sold.

If you expect me to keep pointing out your stoopidity for eternity, it won't happen. But please don't put your Coogary words in my mouth.

ronaldo scored 53 goals in the spanish league last season(correct)
torres scored 33 goals in the english league in 2007/8(wrong)

Ronaldo did not score 53 goals in the Spanish League last season, and i never said, or concurred he did.


And don't try to take Coogary words out of yours:

when did i say classic number 10s are used in the hole - what a tool!

in euro 2000, holland played dennis bergkamp(a classic "10" in a role in the hole.

zonal marking said so that classic no 10s were used in the hole. as at that time, bergkamp was a classic 10 for arsenal between 95 and 2004 when he retired.

First dyslexia, now amnesia. . . Gregory House won't be able to cure you.

ritchboy:

If you expect me to keep pointing out your stoopidity for eternity, it won't happen. But please don't put your Coogary words in my mouth.
Ronaldo did not score 53 goals in the Spanish League last season, and i never said, or concurred he did.

but he did. . . . .i am just exposing your idiocy.
the media would tell you ronaldo scored more than 50 goals in the spanish league last season.
it's the same as saying torres scored 33 in the season he did in the english league.

you are a tool of epic proportions.

And don't try to take Coogary words out of yours:

in euro 2000, holland played dennis bergkamp(a classic "10" in a role in the hole.

zonal marking said so that classic no 10s were used in the hole. as at that time, bergkamp was a classic 10 for arsenal between 95 and 2004 when he retired.

First dyslexia, now amnesia. . . Gregory House won't be able to cure you.

you are a tool. . . .

my question was when did i say dennis bergkamp was used in a hole(when playing for arsenal)? stop lifting my comments out of context to support your wetdreams.

dennis bergkamp never played in the hole in england. he only did play there in euro 2000 for holland.

now let's examine your idiocy once more since english is your problem.
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ritchboy claimed coogar said :"Classic number 10s are used in the hole, Bergkamp at Arsenal is a prime example, but THERE WAS NO HOLE THROUGHOUT ENGLAND" 

coogar replied: see this mumu - when did i say this?
when did i say classic number 10s are used in the hole - what a tool!
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ritchboy is a liar or has comprehension problems.

all i said was classic number 10s in england until euro 2000 were supporting strikers. during euro 2000, they were used in the hole.
bergkamp at arsenal is not a prime example cos he never played in the hole for arsenal. how ritchboy claimed i said beckham was used in a hole is a mystery or a testament to his lying abilities.

my reply is simple. . . . .when did i say classic numbers are used in the hole in england(dennis bergkamp at arsenal)?
ritchboy, if you cannot provide this proof, then you are a palm-oil licking roach forward slash charlatan who would make up obscene lies.
chaiiii, you are a disgrace!

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/284915/Heat-s-on-Andre-Villas-Boas


HEAT'S ON ANDRE VILLAS-BOAS


THE first cracks in Andre Villas-Boas's relationship with Chelsea have appeared following a frosty conversation with owner Roman Abramovich.

It comes at a time when former Chelsea boss Guus Hiddink – still a close confidant of the Russian oligarch – is back on the market.

Sunday Express Sport can reveal that Abramovich has not been overly impressed with Chelsea’s start to the season, especially the 5-3 home defeat against Arsenal. It’s believed the Russian has been perplexed by his young manager’s treatment of some of the experienced players, especially Frank Lampard and has made his feelings known.

Lampard has been left out on occasions as the 34-year-old former Porto boss attempts to develop a younger side in his image.

But the results and some performances haven’t reached the heights expected at Chelsea.

It’s all putting pressure on Villas-Boas, who faces a critical test against Liverpool at Stamford Bridge this afternoon.

It hasn’t reached crisis stage yet but there are differences of opinion over certain aspects of play.

The spectre of Hiddink taking a high-profile role at Chelsea after ending his tenure as Turkey boss haunts Villas-Boas, who is determined to do things his way.

It is believed the Portuguese would be against Hiddink coming in as a director of football.

However, such an appointment appeals to both Abramovich and the Dutchman, who led Chelsea to FA Cup glory in 2009.

I really want Hindick to come, So the myth of Hindick the superman can be broken once and for all

Chelsea a goal down to Liverpool.
Sadly, there's no Torres to blame.

Chelsea level

Maybe this would be the first time they wont lose to a big team (All the other losses Torres started)

Ohhh Drogba is out lets see if Torres can maintain the unlosing run

Lol Chelsea oo ni duro wo tan Villas Boas oo ni duro wo tan