Vintagepipes:

.....Politically? How? Don't overinflate your ego..

......All these groups are pandering because of the money and oil politics.

.....When they don't need you anymore and are done using the IYC for their aim, they will dump you like a bad habit.

JANK23H:

What wrong with you guys?
Do you have selective amnesia?

I posted works of Captain Pereira confirming the Jos as inhabitants of the Rio Real,which is situated in Bonny and New Calabar.You always pretend no to know about it

JANK23H:
I've downloaded Captain Crow's memoir and will study it within this period.The little I've read so far make me think the Igbos here are either lacking in comprehension,or just being mischievous.

Igboid:
Now there is something we must recognize.

This fight is not to claim Bonny or Opobo as Igbo. Ndiigbo are too big a people to be recruiting people into our fold.

This battle is to establish the fact that Ndiigbo existed in Bonny as Aboriginals and not just as Slaves.

Key to Ijaw de-Igbonization of Bonny and Opobo is their deliberate demonization of the Igbo tag in Opobo and Bonny as that of Slave-descendants. The Cunning Ijaws understand psychology very well, humans naturally will not like to be attached to a dehumanizing history. No one would happily embrace a history that says that his ancestors were slaves.
So Ijaws at every given chance have promoted the falsehood that Igbo presence in Bonny and Opobo is a result of slavery.

The implication of this, is that the average Opobo or Bonny Igbo speaking person cannot embrace his Igbo identity without accepting the dehumanizing Slave descendants tag. For this reason, many of them remain neutral, which, and consciously stay away from Igbo, which gives the Ijaws enough cover to work slowly on their cultural genocide agenda.

To break this, we need to unequivocally with well researched proof show to the world, including OPOBO and Bonny people, that their Igbo speaking ancestors were not present in those Islands as just slaves, but that they were there as Aboriginals and as kings, long before the slaves from Igboland joined.
They have to know that they can embrace their Igbo language and culture without being decendants of slaves as not all of them were slaves.

Once we do this and repeatedly so, we would have effectively put to stop the Ijaws psychological blackmail on Bonny and Opobo people.

Igboid:
Now there is something we must recognize.

This fight is not to claim Bonny or Opobo as Igbo. Ndiigbo are too big a people to be recruiting people into our fold.

This battle is to establish the fact that Ndiigbo existed in Bonny as Aboriginals and not just as Slaves.

Key to Ijaw de-Igbonization of Bonny and Opobo is their deliberate demonization of the Igbo tag in Opobo and Bonny as that of Slave-descendants. The Cunning Ijaws understand psychology very well, humans naturally will not like to be attached to a dehumanizing history. No one would happily embrace a history that says that his ancestors were slaves.
So Ijaws at every given chance have promoted the falsehood that Igbo presence in Bonny and Opobo is a result of slavery.

The implication of this, is that the average Opobo or Bonny Igbo speaking person cannot embrace his Igbo identity without accepting the dehumanizing Slave descendants tag. For this reason, many of them remain neutral, which, and consciously stay away from Igbo, which gives the Ijaws enough cover to work slowly on their cultural genocide agenda.

To break this, we need to unequivocally with well researched proof show to the world, including OPOBO and Bonny people, that their Igbo speaking ancestors were not present in those Islands as just slaves, but that they were there as Aboriginals and as kings, long before the slaves from Igboland joined.
They have to know that they can embrace their Igbo language and culture without being decendants of slaves as not all of them were slaves.

Once we do this and repeatedly so, we would have effectively put to stop the Ijaws psychological blackmail on Bonny and Opobo people.

Eastlink:
I bet you guys are still sleeping. The dude might have no fact to use historically but politically Ijaws seems to be way smarter than Ndigbo. Recent events since 1999 have proven them right.

Eastlink:
Academic exercise without political backing is simply noise making. I support your idea wholeheartedly, but you also need political will power to achieve this. The same way Ijaws are using funds from Ministry of Niger-Delta, Amnesty and the likes to finance INC and sponsor willing persons in Bonny/Opobo is advance the Ijaw agenda, is the same way Ndigbo must rise up to assert itself in Bonny.

Look at what Yoruba’s did in Warri to destroy the Bini-edict that was done in old Bendek state that only a Prince with Benin mother can become King in Itshekiri. Awolowo during the first republic forsaw the Ijaw/Itshekiri crisis and made move to forstal that ownership battle by changing Olu of Itshekiri to Olu of Warri. I have no reason to bring Yoruba’s into this discuss but as a major ethnic group just like Igbos we need to assert ourselves and understand the advantage we wield.

Ndigbo keep running in circles which have allowed the Ijaw to use those loophole to land grab Igbo territories.

Igboid:


Very good submission.

Alagoa sat down and blatantly corrupted Igbo history in Bonny and Opobo, reducing our Aboriginal presence on those Islands to Slave status.
We have how many Universities in SE, each with history departments and tens of professors of history.
And between 1970 till today, a whopping 50years, non of them have beamed a searchlight on Alagoa blatant manipulation of facts and provided a counter rebuttal.

We are really failing as a people. I swear. It's embarrassing.

Eastlink:
Academic exercise without political backing is simply noise making. I support your idea wholeheartedly, but you also need political will power to achieve this. The same way Ijaws are using funds from Ministry of Niger-Delta, Amnesty and the likes to finance INC and sponsor willing persons in Bonny/Opobo is advance the Ijaw agenda, is the same way Ndigbo must rise up to assert itself in Bonny.

Look at what Yoruba’s did in Warri to destroy the Bini-edict that was done in old Bendek state that only a Prince with Benin mother can become King in Itshekiri. Awolowo during the first republic forsaw the Ijaw/Itshekiri crisis and made move to forstal that ownership battle by changing Olu of Itshekiri to Olu of Warri. I have no reason to bring Yoruba’s into this discuss but as a major ethnic group just like Igbos we need to assert ourselves and understand the advantage we wield.

Ndigbo keep running in circles which have allowed the Ijaw to use those loophole to land grab Igbo territories. If you are distancing yourselves from the centre, you are supporting a minority to the Presidency. Worst still, you foolishly support political lightweights like Ekwueme, Ojukwu, Nnamdi Kanu, Uwazurike, Rochas, Peter Obi, Abaribe to represent your interest.

BKayy:

I blame Ọhaneze Ndigbo for all this.

Igboid:


You are not good at this.
No where in that your snippet was Bonny mentioned.
The snippet only mentioned the Ijaw(Jos people) pirated lurking those Rivers .
Which I noted and even showed you a U tube video of Ijaw pirates still lurking in coasts and Rivers of Bonny today, causing mayhem to the Indigenes.

Post those snippets again and Mark out where Bonny was mentioned there if dem born you well.

9Pluto:


Another obvious blight on Nigerian education. I suggest all history departments in most of this schools should be shut down and their professors sacked for a start. They are not what a penny. To imagine that I was the one teaching my neighbor history, that is someone that has a B.Sc in History.

I am just wondering, in a world without internet what was Alagoa referencing.

I make bold to state that Professor Alagoa is an academic fraudster.

Igboid:
Now there is something we must recognize.

This fight is not to claim Bonny or Opobo as Igbo. Ndiigbo are too big a people to be recruiting people into our fold.

This battle is to establish the fact that Ndiigbo existed in Bonny as Aboriginals and not just as Slaves.

Key to Ijaw de-Igbonization of Bonny and Opobo is their deliberate demonization of the Igbo tag in Opobo and Bonny as that of Slave-descendants. The Cunning Ijaws understand psychology very well, humans naturally will not like to be attached to a dehumanizing history. No one would happily embrace a history that says that his ancestors were slaves.
So Ijaws at every given chance have promoted the falsehood that Igbo presence in Bonny and Opobo is a result of slavery.

The implication of this, is that the average Opobo or Bonny Igbo speaking person cannot embrace his Igbo identity without accepting the dehumanizing Slave descendants tag. For this reason, many of them remain neutral,and consciously stay away from Igbo tag, which gives the Ijaws enough cover to work slowly on their cultural genocide agenda.

To break this, we need to unequivocally with well researched proof show to the world, including OPOBO and Bonny people, that their Igbo speaking ancestors were not present in those Islands as just slaves, but that they were there as Aboriginals and as kings, long before the slaves from Igboland joined.
They have to know that they can embrace their Igbo language and culture without being decendants of slaves as not all of them were slaves.

Once we do this and repeatedly so, we would have effectively put to stop the Ijaws psychological blackmail on Bonny and Opobo people. Allowing them to voluntarily embrace their Igbo selves and come back to us on their own terms.

9Pluto:


Another obvious blight on the quality of Nigerian education. I suggest all history departments in most of this schools should be shut down and their professors sacked for a start. They are not what a penny. To imagine that I was the one teaching my neighbor history, that is someone that has a B.Sc in History.

I am just wondering, in a world without internet what was Alagoa referencing.

I make bold to state that Professor Alagoa is an academic fraudster.

Igboid:


True.
I have mentioned about the lack of strong and informed Political leadership that reasons beyond eating, drinking, sleeping with akwuna, and stockpiling funds in tax havens and buying properties in Europe and North America with public funds, in Igboland.

We need a strong Political leadership fully invested in strategic issues affecting Ndiigbo as a people in all five SE states and beyond as governors of five SE states!

Any push for Igbo independence that doesn't start with first and foremost hijacking through the ballots the Political leadership of Igboland from councillors to Senate and Governors, is a waste of time and scam.

I have told IPOB people this severally.

I had once had the privilege of being with a state house of assembly member in one of Igbo states, and I raised some of these issues.
To my surprise, not only was these man totally unaware of these issues, he had zero interest in them.
All he wants is money, women, drink! That's all that tickles his fantasy.
You can't have such people representing your Political interests, and you are talking about Buhari and NIGERIA, when you haven't done your home work and cleanup your home mess.

JANK23H:

Let Igbo present an academic who has achieved anything close to his in history.You hate him because his works do not suit you,but they are quoted by most modern writers of NigerDelta history

Eastlink:
The bolded is what I’m hampering about. Igbo independence is a pipe dream. Anybody who keep alienating Igbos from the centre under the guise of fighting for an independent country is not in tube with reality in Africa.

9Pluto:


Another obvious blight on the quality of Nigerian education. I suggest all history departments in most of this schools should be shut down and their professors sacked for a start. They are not what a penny. To imagine that I was the one teaching my neighbor history, that is someone that has a B.Sc in History.

I am just wondering, in a world without internet what was Alagoa referencing.

I make bold to state that Professor Alagoa is an academic fraudster.

Vintagepipes:


....Well summarised.

.....The Bini did the same thing in Delta state.

.....They told the story and put it in Ika and Ukwuani psyche that Igbo means slave. For the Biniphilic, people from these places, this is what they were told.

.......I now ask this intelligent question, why would Eboe mean slave, when the greatest kingdom in your domain, Aboh when your ancestors arrived was Igbo.


They have the same blueprint...

understand that the Ejors learnt from the Binis, until Algoa erased it, this was their belief.

9Pluto:
Before, you blame them ask if they have the information.

9Pluto:


My claim is a challenge to an acclaimed Professor of History. My thinking is that you would be irked, report to him and have him come and explain himself while he is still alive.

P.S: I have never met him in person, so I cannot hate him like you claimed.

9Pluto:


My claim is a challenge to an acclaimed Professor of History. My thinking is that you would be irked, report to him and have him come and explain himself while he is still alive.

P.S: I have never met him in person, so I cannot hate him like you claimed.

JANK23H:

Actually,from the book Igboid was so eager to quote on Igbo metal smiths among the Southern Edo showed Igbos were migrants to Aboh.

Putindbutt:

Lol. Britannica is an academic fraudster, Cambridge University is an academic fraudster?

Keep Cherry picking the narratives that suits you. Exactly what you guys have been doing from page 1 till page 53.

JANK23H:

Actually,from the book Igboid was so eager to quote on Igbo metal smiths among the Southern Edo showed Igbos were migrants to Aboh.

Eastlink:
Lol, funny. And you’ll call him out on Nairaland .What do you take an erudite Professor as Alagoa for? Even though his history is fraudulent doesn't mean you can call him out as a child, unless you simply want to inflate your ego. You’ve done the best you can do with this thread, now allow others take up the battle and quite the chestbeating.

Igboid:


Lol! What's this?
Were Isokos not migrants to Isoko from Bini?

You are going mad o!

Didn't everyone migrate from somewhere?

BKayy:

What then is their job?

Anyway we put it, they still have a portion in the blame but the lions share goes to any Igbo professors, PhD holders in History or senior lecturer, Dean or any resident in the department of History in any Igbo University across Nigeria.

If they couldn't discover this thing that we did here, I wonder what they teach the students and the principle they judge them with?

Let me tell you why I insist that a reasonable portion of the blame should be reserved for Ọhaneze Ndigbo is because it is their job to push for investigation into Alagoa's lies. How can they call themselves a pan Igbo association but see a particular group having Igbo culture, language etc and can't ascertain why they stopped being Igbo after the war. That will lead them to Alagoa's book of lies which will in turn make them to set a panel that will investigate it. When that is done, the result will be used to shame Alagoa and if possible sue him for cultural appropriation.

I am ashamed of all of them.

Eastlink:
A book written in 1970 that quoted sources like Alagoa and the Benin myth.

Igboid:


No cap!
All Departments of History in SE Universities are a crying disgrace.
They are not worth a kobo spent on them.
They should probably all be shut down in sane climes and if we had a strong Political will.