tom28:

This is exactly what Hitler"s nazi Govt did in the 1940s under the Lebensraum policy when he attempted to create large living spaces for the aryan Germans in eastern europe at the expense of the Polish and Russians because Hitler believed they were inferior to the Germans.In this case the West is trying to displace africans from their own land and enslave them and we are proving to the West that we are really inferior.

Tom, I would not say that! That "Hitler'sche Idee" was a bleeped up idea from the onset. And besides, he was not subtle and cunny in archieving his aims. He chose to brutally impose his ARYAN great on the others by way of FORCE. These investors on the other hand are cleverly using MONEY and false promises to lure us into selling our future. Africans really have to meet up.

stmarc32:

I dunno why people r huffing n puffing about this , its been going on for years now only difference is that its going very public,

Above is about the only thing you have posted that makes sense to me

stmarc32:

I specifically stated one thing there and that was to nationalize everything, also Cuba has alot less to offer when it comes to natural resources , Nigeria on the other hand has the capability to export both Agricultural products and Crude oil and if america is not buying asia will, and if nationalization does happen it means better employment opportunities for Nigerians,

Nationalize ROFLMAO!!! and of all examples, like Cuba

okooyinbo:

Tom, I would not say that! That "Hitler'sche Idee" was a bleeped up idea from the onset. And besides, he was not subtle and cunny in archieving his aims. He chose to brutally impose his ARYAN great on the others by way of FORCE. These investors on the other hand are cleverly using MONEY and false promises to lure us into selling our future. Africans really have to meet up.

But then both are getting the same objectives are they not?.The Westerners are not using arms on us to get what they want because they know the average african would sell his own father for money the same way we sold our brothers for mirrors and dry gin during the slave trade.

cap28:

exactly - europeans unlike africans always think ahead. The long term objective is the total approriation of the most fertile land in africa - where have we heard this before? once they secure all the choice land, the next phase is to rehabilitate their growing populations - didnt this happen in south africa? Any nigerians who supports this are beyond help.

The europeans have always used their cunning behaviour to fool africans and they are still succeeding in the 21st century despite the fact that many who support this claim to be educated -
Zimbabwe is yet to extricate itself from the appropriation of large tracts of land by europeans, this situation is accelerating and before long africans will become aliens in their own land, if you think the europeans and other foreign investors will hand this land back to you willingly you need your head examined.

And that is why they are always smarter than us.They think of the long term effect while we africans think of the short term effect which is money and funny enough many of these african countries are selling off their land cheaply to the West.We africans are doomed and maybe Tony Blair was right when he said Africa is a like a scare to the rest of the World.

so funny. this europeans/americans in the next 30 years or less will own 60% of african land. already they own our oil and other natural resources , our brains now our leaders and busy selling and giving our lands away. why are africans so stupidly annoying, Thats why in my books Comrade Gabriel Mugabe is a leader to be proud of, and truthfully speaking, i see african been another zimbabwe or kenya where the colonial master own 80% of african land.

okooyinbo:

And you have the know hows? IF you must emulate, emulate intelligently. Cuba I am afraid is a no go in terms of economic development policies. Forget US sanctions, Cuba is a country where a few people dictate. China is free paradise compared to Cuba. BTW, Asia is on the lips of many including yourself for obvious reasons.

Cuba - a tiny nation of only 11 million people whose main export is sugar has STILL been able to provide free education up to university level to all of its citizens and free health care.  99% of its citizens are literate and the average life expectancy is 77 years - it acheived ALL this despite a 51 year commercial, financial and economic embargo imposed on it by the US - nigeria is an oil rich nation that has somehow failed to harness its vast manpower and natural resources and over a period of 51 years has nothing to show for the huge profits it has reaped from its vast oil reserves.  Life expectancy for men in nigeria is 49 years and education and health care provision is at a state of near collapse, so i think we need to get our facts right before we start criticising countries that are doing way better than us.

cap28:

Cuba - a tiny nation of only 11 million people whose main export is sugar has STILL been able to provide free education up to university level to all of its citizens and free health care. 99% of its citizens are literate and the average life expectancy is 77 years - it acheived ALL this despite a 51 year commercial, financial and economic embargo imposed on it by the US - nigeria is an oil rich nation that has somehow failed to harness its vast manpower and natural resources and over a period of 51 years has nothing to show for the huge profits it has reaped from its vast oil reserves. Life expectancy for men in nigeria is 49 years and education and health care provision is at a state of near collapse, so i think we need to get our facts right before we start criticising countries that are doing way better than us.

True word.

For some of you, the concept of the world being a global village will never register in your pea sized brain, you wonder why China opens its doors wide enough for investors to conduct transactions, you never quite understand why London is referred to as the world's business capital, the concepts of wall street never sleeping is far too complex for you to grab, and with your mouths left ajar, you simply watched while the rest of the world advance, far ahead of you, when asked, your answer?-----"Let's prevent 21st century invasion, they are coming for our Lands, they are coming for our oil, the white man is planning to steal away our kids!!!-----how lame can you get?"

Have you done business in China? The land in China belongs to the GOVT. Even if you pay for it, it is not yours. There are rules stipulated by the chinese if you want to do business in their country. Their rules favour technological and know-how transfers, which is one of the reasons they have made tremendous industrial development in a space of 60 years.

The thing a lot of people who are against these kind of deals are saying is not that your Texas guy should not buy land. The onous is on the policy makers to avoid a situation whereby people that have been farming a land for centuries are displaced without any compensation or alternative means of livelihood. Or that the choicest of arable land be given to some few individuals wether foreign or local. It is just not right.

Btw, do you believe globalisation based on this kind of crooked up deals is on the long run sustainable? Dont forget Cuba and host of other revolutions. We should rather advocate for sustainable development.

There are indeed win win situations if we intend to follow that part. Cheating my friend is bad and this is a real big cheating. These land grabbers are exploiting our weakness, and a lot of studies are pointing to that fact. These studies were not commissioned by African government nor "manufactured" by some dubious institutions you know. It is the institutions in the countries of the Oyinbo and Asian land stealers you are defending that are pointing you to the blazing fire in your backyard.

The investors have done nothing wrong.

It's up to your governments to look after your interest and that of your posterity.

cap28:

Cuba - a tiny nation of only 11 million people whose main export is sugar has STILL been able to provide free education up to university level to all of its citizens and free health care.  99% of its citizens are literate and the average life expectancy is 77 years - it acheived ALL this despite a 51 year commercial, financial and economic embargo imposed on it by the US - nigeria is an oil rich nation that has somehow failed to harness its vast manpower and natural resources and over a period of 51 years has nothing to show for the huge profits it has reaped from its vast oil reserves.  Life expectancy for men in nigeria is 49 years and education and health care provision is at a state of near collapse, so i think we need to get our facts right before we start criticising countries that are doing way better than us.

The facts you just dugged up did not say anything about the economic situation in cuba. Have you been to that place? What is the average income of the people of Cuba? Can you freely travel in and out of Cuba as a Cuban citizen? Lets assume you can, how many can afford it? Can you form a free opinion in Cuba? Cuba while I acknowledge getting somethings right, is not the country to emulate when it comes to economic policies. Cuba society is also very corrupt if you dont know. The unemployment ratio despite their low population is as high as in Nigeria.

ola olabiy:

The investors have done nothing wrong.

It's up to your governments to look after your interest and that of your posterity.

Strictly speaking, ofcourse they have. We know how business is done in most of these places. BRIBE!

Thank God for this forum.
Its sad to see black people  celebrate end of slavery when in fact they are in an higher order one.
Gadaffi who was on a mission to liberate africans was brought down - and africans are celebrating.
These people have tasted africa's richness for decades and they have determined to stay and never leave.
The only solution for africans is to support and protect their intellectual breeds.
But the question is ; how does someone not intelligent (sadly majority) identify the intellects (few).

tom28:

But then both are getting the same objectives are they not?.The Westerners are not using arms on us to get what they want because they know the average african would sell his own father for money the same way we sold our brothers for mirrors and dry gin during the slave trade.

Hitler did not archieved his aims. He lived by the guns and died by the POISON. His country was TOTALLLY subdued. It was disastrous for Germany. A lot of its technological advancement and patents were carted away by the "SIEGERMÄCHTE". Anyway, thank God and the emergence of the Soviets, not everybody bought the idea of reducing Germany into an agrarian society as thought by some people after the war. Up till now, Germany is one of the most pacific countries in the world due to the enormous calamity brought upon it by that HATE influenced/controlled HITLER of a man.

Have you done business in China? The land in China belongs to the GOVT. Even if you pay for it, it is not yours. There are rules stipulated by the chinese if you want to do business in their country. Their rules favour technological and know-how transfers, which is one of the reasons they have made tremendous industrial development in a space of 60 years.

It's usually a common law that land is explicitly owned by the federal government and can be recalled at any time, we have such in our constitution too.  For the upteenth time, Investors are under no obligation to look out for what is best for your country, that's the job of your federal government.

The thing a lot of people who are against these kind of deals are saying is not that your Texas guy should not buy land. The onous is on the policy makers to avoid a situation whereby people that have been farming a land for centuries are displaced without any compensation or alternative means of livelihood. Or that the choicest of arable land be given to some few individuals wether foreign or local. It is just not right.

Do you suppose it's cool if a random guy from Imo State buys a large expanse of country estate in the US to start a wine manufacturing business?. . .
Some Nigerian guy buys Gatwick Airport and it's plain smart business, but when an Oyinbo pays for a plot of land, it becomes invasion of the 21st century, modern slavery and shyt?

Owners can't find much use for their lands and their are buyers that are stand by to pay for it, the only thing that is wrong in this case is that those buyers are Oyinbo and they ve come to export African lands to their countries?  ridiculous!!!

matt_4will:

Thank God for this forum.
Its sad to see black people  celebrate end of slavery when in fact they are in an higher order one.
Gadaffi who was on a mission to liberate africans was brought down - and africans are celebrating.
These people have tasted africa's richness for decades and they have determined to stay and never leave.
The only solution for africans is to support and protect their intellectual breeds.
But the question is ; how does someone not intelligent (sadly majority) identify the intellects (few).

My friend, Gadaffi is liberating no one. Where did you get that from? Infact, he is part of the problem. I dont know why a lot of you Africans believe ARABS are your friends. No, they are not. Get used to them, live with them, watch them closely, and you will know that. While the "white people" would not mind taking the bulk of your assets, the Arab on the other hand would not only take your property, he would not mind to kill you too, especially if you are regarded as infidel. FYI, the Arabs actually started the slave trade.

okooyinbo:

Hitler did not archieved his aims. He lived by the guns and died by the POISON. His country was TOTALLLY subdued. It was disastrous for Germany. A lot of its technological advancement and patents were carted away by the "SIEGERMÄCHTE". Anyway, thank God and the emergence of the Soviets, not everybody bought the idea of reducing Germany into an agrarian society as thought by some people after the war. Up till now, Germany is one of the most pacific countries in the world due to the enormous calamity brought upon it by that HATE influenced/controlled HITLER of a man.

He would have achieved his aims if not for the allied intervention and what Hitler did is the same thing the West is doing today except this time they are using money not arms.Hitler wanted to take over the large grain fields of eastern europe and give it to the aryan Germans while on the other hand the West today wants to take over the huge agarian tropical african lands and make it habitable for them at the expense of the inhabitants of such lands.This is what caused the Mau Mau insurection in Kenya in the 1950s if you are well familiar with their history.The kikuyus of kenya were displaced while the British farmers took over the best lands.

gadaffi is not all Arabs,
I am not saying arabs aren't what you say they are. But only gadaffi in this case.
Just as you see white ppl with bad intentions; will you see some too with good intentions , infact against the bad ones.
This is what I say about intelligence. Intellects wont generalise but rather analyse individual tactics to see if intentions are good or not.

okooyinbo:

My friend, Gadaffi is liberating no one. Where did you get that from? Infact, he is part of the problem. I dont know why a lot of you Africans believe ARABS are your friends. No, they are not. Get used to them, live with them, watch them closely, and you will know that. While the "white people" would not mind taking the bulk of your assets, the Arab on the other hand would not only take your property, he would not mind to kill you too, especially if you are regarded as infidel. FYI, the Arabs actually started the slave trade.

okooyinbo:

My friend, Gadaffi is liberating no one. Where did you get that from? Infact, he is part of the problem. I dont know why a lot of you Africans believe ARABS are your friends. No, they are not. Get used to them, live with them, watch them closely, and you will know that. While the "white people" would not mind taking the bulk of your assets, the Arab on the other hand would not only take your property, he would not mind to kill you too, especially if you are regarded as infidel. FYI, the Arabs actually started the slave trade.

Both the arabs and the Westerners are not our friends.They both hate us with a passion and its about time we africans know this.

violent:

It's usually a common law that land is explicitly owned by the federal government and can be recalled at any time, we have such in our constitution too.  For the upteenth time, Investors are under no obligation to look out for what is best for your country, that's the job of your federal government.

Do you suppose it's cool if a random guy from Imo State buys a large expanse of country estate in the US to start a wine manufacturing business?. . .
Some Nigerian guy buys Gatwick Airport and it's plain smart business, but when an Oyinbo pays for a plot of land, it becomes invasion of the 21st century, modern slavery and shyt?

Owners can't find much use for their lands and their are buyers that are stand by to pay for it, the only thing that is wrong in this case is that those buyers are Oyinbo and they ve come to export African lands to their countries?  ridiculous!!!

Violent, dont bring in that bolded part when you are discussing with me, because I do not belong in the category of such conspiracy theorists. I am a proud German citizen, so I am not against Oyinbo buying up land in Africa.

Now to the main discussion: Our "African" governments have got responsibilities to protect our interest quite right. However, that does not absolve any company from also behaving responsibly. As a matter of fact, a lot of companies in the WEST are very conscious of not generating bad publicity. If these companies and universities endowment fond have been behaving responsibly, why are they maintaining closed lips on their investments. Ofcourse they would because they got the deal in an ethically not approvable ways. And dont tell me there is no ETHICS in business.

And to the arguement about the IMO guy

what is the problem with the black skin? why are we always been cheated.

tom28:

Both the arabs and the Westerners are not our friends.They both hate us with a passion and its about time we africans know this.

Tom, sincerely, who are the friends of we "poor" Africans in this world? There is no place you go in this world where you are not looked than upon as an African. The only difference is, some are brutal than some at putting it to your face. Go Saudi Arabia now to go become CEO of an Arab company. Go China, go to the US, to Europe, Australia etc. The difference would scare you. Even Africans hate Africans more than any other race. The Oyinbo people know that, and thats why "divide n rule" was and is still a great policy to curtail the Africans. Sad thing is, the Chinese and all other "fake" Oyinbos (including Indians, Philipinas) have become good at it too.

okooyinbo:


Violent, dont bring in that bolded part when you are discussing with me, because I do not belong in the category of such conspiracy theorists. I am a proud German citizen, so I am not against Oyinbo buying up land in Africa.

Now to the main discussion: Our "African" governments have got responsibilities to protect our interest quite right. However, that does not absolve any company from also behaving responsibly. As a matter of fact, a lot of companies in the WEST are very conscious of not generating bad publicity. If these companies and universities endowment fond have been behaving responsibly, why are they maintaining closed lips on their investments. Ofcourse they would because they got the deal in an ethically not approvable ways. And dont tell me there is no ETHICS in business.

And to the arguement about the IMO guy

Companies are established to make only one thing!---Profit, pure and simple!. . . Ethics are the reasons we have churches, mosques and our mums.


The definition of Ethics and responsibility is that of the government!. . .Goldman Sachs is one of the biggest Investment Banks in the world, and if there's anything GS is known for, it is that their unethical ways of conducting business!

A business man gives no shyt about ethics, as a matter of facts, ethics on several cases only come in the way of business and where crude profits could be made.  The government ought to recognize this fact and enforce business rules to ensure that business don't operate out of ethical codes.  In cases where the government fails in his responsibility to do this, you can hardly apportion blames to businesses.

It's simple, if you don't tell me not to do it, I will simply assume that it isn't wrong and i'd go ahead to do it anyway, as long as it brings in cold cash for me!---that's business my friend, nothing personal!

Africans- sort out your history & story bank
Its sad how most africans and their children learn more about africa in foreign countries than their own.
fix your fake lifes- everyone shouting man u & chealsea with jerseys etc with fake american accents
And sort out your priorities; this especially go to the government- putting money on buildings in abuja over starving masses( when your citizens are fed they will build even bigger towers) instead of paying foreigners more for less.

Africans support and protect your clever breeds ( stop punishing them for been clever) - they are your remedy and solution!!!
Its not all over yet- In 10 - 20yrs maybe

matt_4will:

Africans- sort out your history & story bank
Its sad how most africans and their children learn more about africa in foreign countries than their own.
fix your fake lifes- everyone shouting man u & chealsea with jerseys etc with fake american accents
And sort out your priorities; this especially go to the government- putting money on buildings in abuja over starving masses( when your citizens are fed they will build even bigger towers) instead of paying foreigners more for less.

Africans support and protect your clever breeds ( stop punishing them for been clever) - they are your remedy and solution!!!
Its not all over yet- In 10 - 20yrs maybe

Those africans with fake american accents even make me laugh the hardest.You see them moving about the street with hoods over their heads and wearing trousers they sag below their backsides with big gold chains on their neck using such words like," yo muh n1ggar!" when you come across them.They claim to be black americans and when u bring them out as africans they get mad.

tom28:

Those africans with fake american accents even make me laugh the hardest.You see them moving about the street with hoods over their heads and wearing trousers they sag below their backsides with big gold chains on their neck using such words like," yo muh n1ggar!" when you come across them.They claim to be black americans and when u bring them out as africans they get mad.

I sometimes dont blame them; they are a consequence of the environment. Fed by foreign programmes from childhood; they are chasing after an illusional identity. On your TV you see eye pleasing stuffs; when you step outside your door you opposite. It can be quite scary psychological.
This generation has a lot to do !!

okooyinbo:

Tom, sincerely, who are the friends of we "poor" Africans in this world? There is no place you go in this world where you are not looked than upon as an African. The only difference is, some are brutal than some at putting it to your face. Go Saudi Arabia now to go become CEO of an Arab company. Go China, go to the US, to Europe, Australia etc. The difference would scare you. Even Africans hate Africans more than any other race. The Oyinbo people know that, and thats why "divide n rule" was and is still a great policy to curtail the Africans. Sad thing is, the Chinese and all other "fake" Oyinbos (including Indians, Philipinas) have become good at it too.

It doesnt matter whether white ppl or arabs hate us but what really matter is that we africans should stop being the begging bowl of the world.Africa is the only continent that depends on aid while the rest of the world is fast developing.Anyway on your issue about the indians being racist to us one thing i can assure you is that i will really panel beat any garl1c smelly indian who dares to call me by the N word to my face and after i am through with him im papa no go recorgnise am!

matt_4will:

gadaffi is not all Arabs,
I am not saying arabs aren't what you say they are. But only gadaffi in this case.
Just as you see white ppl with bad intentions; will you see some too with good intentions , infact against the bad ones.
This is what I say about intelligence. Intellects wont generalise but rather analyse individual tactics to see if intentions are good or not.

I nevertheless still maintain that he meant no good for Africans. Why do you think he is/was generous to the African leaders like himself and lashes out at the ones that dare critisize him? That guy was dreaming to be "Imperator maxima Africanum". That was his dream!

And yes, its quite not "intelligent" to generalize. I give you that, but the Arabs did not stop the slave trade. North Africa was also inhabited by "dark" Africans before the Arab's conquest, what happened to the coloured population in those places? Like the Romans long ago found out, humans are humans wolf. Some wolves however are like sheep, whereas some are bloody devourous. Now, the difference is, some people collectively exhibit a trait of one of the two - wolf wolf and wolf sheep - than some other people. Got my point?

BTW, Gadaffi has also been "grabbing"  some of the juicest land in the SUDAN and elsewhere. Not that I think that is bad. It's just that he is not more innocent than the "real" Oyinbos,

This is the same message America's Secretary of State, Hilary Clinton just passed across yesterday. "Africans should be wary of Colonialism creeping in again in a disguised manner from developed nations. Africans desperately needs Education. I am afraid to say that we can't afford to be further exploited and colonized by the whites. Sad, Sad, Sad.

okooyinbo:

My friend, Gadaffi is liberating no one. Where did you get that from? Infact, he is part of the problem. I dont know why a lot of you Africans believe ARABS are your friends. No, they are not. Get used to them, live with them, watch them closely, and you will know that. While the "white people" would not mind taking the bulk of your assets, the Arab on the other hand would not only take your property, he would not mind to kill you too, especially if you are regarded as infidel. FYI, the Arabs actually started the slave trade.

Gadaffi stumped up $300 million dollars to pay for a satellite system which has enabled africans to have access to cheap telecommunications throughout the continent.
Prior to that period Africa was leasing a european owned satellite for $500 million dollars  A YEAR, when african nations  tried to negotiate an outright sale which would break this cycle of exploitation europe merely made vague promises. it was Gadaffi who BROKE THAT CYCLE OF ENSLAVEMENT AND DEPENDENCY ON EUROPE FOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS,  something that rogue MKO Abiola couldnt acheive with his fraudulent ITT so please i dont know where you are getting this idea that Gadaffi is the enemy of africa.

I havent even laid out all the other financial donations he made to other african nations like Sierra Leone to help them with the economic rebuilding of their country after the war.

Also what about the fact that he wanted to introduce the gold dinar as africa's currency which would enable african nations to trade only in gold rather than in dollars or euros and which would give africa greater financial leverage over how much they sold their commodities?  are these the acts of a person who does not have the interest of the entire african continent at heart?

Please explain how he is part of the problem?  Is it the IMF and world bank that would prefer to keep africa submerged in debt that are our  friends?

You are quick to demonise and tar Gadaffi with unsubstantiated claims when his actions indicate that he is the complete opposite of what you are claiming.

violent:


Companies are established to make only one thing!---Profit, pure and simple!. . . Ethics are the reasons we have churches, mosques and our mums.


The definition of Ethics and responsibility is that of the government!. . .Goldman Sachs is one of the biggest Investment Banks in the world, and if there's anything GS is known for, it is that their unethical ways of conducting business!

A business man gives no shyt about ethics, as a matter of facts, ethics on several cases only come in the way of business and where crude profits could be made.  The government ought to recognize this fact and enforce business rules to ensure that business don't operate out of ethical codes.  In cases where the government fails in his responsibility to do this, you can hardly apportion blames to businesses.

It's simple, if you don't tell me not to do it, I will simply assume that it isn't wrong and i'd go ahead to do it anyway, as long as it brings in cold cash for me!---that's business my friend, nothing personal!

Well, because nobody is telling you that what you are doing is bad or because the government is colluding with you to deprive it people does not mean what you are doing is good.

And, if you think ethics has no place in business, then I wonder why you are blaming the government for not enacting enabling laws. Ethic and responsible behaviour are no domains/monopoly of only the clergy. We know from history that the clergy people are the worst when it comes to ethical conduct. Ethics actually, has nothing to do with religion. Ethics is above every religion. Everybody should be subjected to it - be it lay or clergy people.

tom28:

It doesnt matter whether white ppl or arabs hate us but what really matter is that we africans should stop being the begging bowl of the world.Africa is the only continent that depends on aid while the rest of the world is fast developing.Anyway on your issue about the indians being racist to us one thing i can assure you is that i will really panel beat any garl1c smelly indian who dares to call me by the N word to my face and after i am through with him im papa no go recorgnise am!

Tom, dont try that o. LOL! If you try it, that Yindian fella wont even get his smelly garlic hand on you. He will simply call MOPOL for you. And I suppose you know how our Nigerian MOPOLs behave.

okooyinbo:

Tom, dont try that o. LOL! If you try it, that Yindian fella wont even get his smelly garlic hand on you. He will simply call MOPOL for you. And I suppose you know how our Nigerian MOPOLs behave.

Na money Mopol want and if he give them money i go pay twice of wetin he pay them and tell the mopol to slap am for me.Anyway on a more serious note i remember this incident that happened about two years ago and this lebanese guy was driving roughly on the road and when i challenged him he was trying to act tough and then i really insulted the hell out of him and told him to carry his nasty arab ass back to his country.Of course the fool was ranting at me in arabic and broken english but then i had said my piece and moved on.Sometimes if these stupid oyibo ppl talk rough u talk rough back at them.They are not god.