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Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 10:03am On Oct 31, 2022 |
LordReed: The evidences are all around you. You're a wise man, isn't it? We don't need to argue it. You've made your choice, its okay. |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 11:27am On Oct 31, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: LoLz! How are the walls, floor and ceiling of my house evidence for spirit or a god? 2 Likes |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 12:37pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
LordReed: Who's talking about your house? I'm talking about your physical body. That's your house. You'll step out of it someday. At least you sleep and dream. What moves about when you dream? Your body? One day, you'll be in a dream, but you'll never wake up. Pray it wouldn't be a terrible dream. |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by sonmvayina(m): 1:33pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
Speaklove: This idea or concept you describe, how did it get a woman pregnant? What does it need a son for when we are all created in his image and likeness. How is jesus different from us if he existed at all,as I believe he is just a made up character by the Roman Catholic church.. 1 Like |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by sonmvayina(m): 1:34pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
You are just assuming you know what you are describing. I doubt you have any idea what God might be...you just kept God in a box.. You still have much to learn. |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 2:55pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: Again you have no evidence of this. You cannot step out of your body because you are your body or at least that is what the evidence suggests. There is no evidence for any sort of spirit inside the human body. If I ask you what spirit is, I doubt you can even give a cohesive answer, talk more of providing evidence for it. I don't have terrible dreams anymore since I know when I am dreaming and I know the dream is not real. There is nothing moving about in a dream, its just in your head. If dreams are what convince you spirits exist then you might be gaslighting yourself. 1 Like |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 7:58pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
LordReed: We've explored the spirit realm my brother. I just used dream to bring you some ideas. Now, take note of this. Assuming an argument ensues between you and someone who has never dreamt in his life (I've actually met several people like that) He is disputing with you that dreams don't exist. It's just a figment of the imagination. There's nothing called 'dream'. How would you prove to this person that dreams are possible? |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 8:25pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: You and who have explored the spirit realm? And where is this realm you were exploring? Why do i need to prove to him something that is literally in his head? A dream is a thought in the head does he not have thoughts? |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 9:54pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
LordReed: Tell me how thoughts and dreams are related. So, you mean someone who sits down to think, is already dreaming? |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 10:24pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: A dream is an imagination, an imagination is a thought, that's how they are related. When someone is lost in thought we usual say they are daydreaming because while they are in fact awake they so lost in their imaginations they are just as inattentive as someone asleep. 1 Like |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 10:39pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
LordReed: You mean someone can be sleeping and thinking at the same time? |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 11:13pm On Oct 31, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: LoLz! Your brain doesn't stop working because you are asleep so yes while you are asleep thoughts are still being processed in your head. 1 Like |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 6:38am On Nov 01, 2022 |
LordReed: I doubt this. However, this doesn't convince someone who has never dreamt that people do see themselves in places while asleep. |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 8:10am On Nov 01, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: LoLz! Go look up sleep studies that monitor brain activity while the subjects are asleep. Here lemme help get started: https://www.news-medical.net/health/Brain-Activity-During-Sleep.aspx https://www.google.com/search?q=sleep+study+monitoring+brain+activity&oq=sleep+study+monitoring+brain+activity&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160j33i22i29i30.25055j0j7&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 Like I said I don't need to convince him of anything, it is something he already experiences in a different form. 1 Like |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 1:40pm On Nov 04, 2022 |
LordReed: In those links you posted above, there's nothing that shows that people keep thinking while they sleep. Brain activities must definitely continue during sleep. 'Thinking' is not the only activity of the brain. Yeah, the EEG shows people can have imagery during deep sleep which could be counted as dreams. There are people whose dreams predict future events. Their dreams accurately come to pass. How do you explain this phenomenon? The fact that some dreams do come to pass in real life is suggestive of the fact that dreams are more than mere brain activities. Science has really tried but science isn't perfect. There are some so called findings today that would be debunked, redefined and revised tomorrow just as many scientific findings of yesterday are being revised today. Absolutely relying on science's fallible findings is not the right way to live. And again, if the brain can have such complex functions as to be able to send brain waves during sleep, do you then really think that such a powerful tool was created by accident? |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 4:50pm On Nov 04, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: Don't confuse yourself , I didn't say a sleeping person was actively thinking I said the brain is still processing thoughts. Thoughts are constantly in your mind whether you are actively thinking them or not. That is the most likely origin of dreams. And what of the dreams that don't come to pass? You are indulging in confirmation bias, ignoring the data that doesn't fit into your narrative. Every sort of prediction always has a chance to come to pass. You are like someone saying Octopus Paul is a spirit because it could predict football outcomes or that throwing dice is spiritual becomes some of the outcomes favour you. If you use that type of method then you can use it it to prove anything. Where did I say the brain was created by accident? 2 Likes |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 6:49pm On Nov 04, 2022 |
LordReed: Your line is thought is still subject to more scrutiny. We can generally assume that dreams have no spiritual connections but for the fact that some dreams come to pass, we need to have a review of that assumption. Most dreams have interpretations. If the meaning of a dream isn't known you wouldn't be aware of what came to pass. The difference between Atheists and Theists is that, one set is not seeing anything spiritual at all. This happens to people who gave their time to religion that carries no substance. There's nothing in religion. Anybody practicing any form of religion can become an atheist some day. But, the second set of people are those who have consciously and deliberately explored the spirit realm. Having had spiritual experiences themselves, there's no way such persons can ever become an atheist. It's like the case of a blind man who says there's nothing called 'moon' simply because he neither sees it nor feels it. But, the man with sight would shake his head in pity for the blind man due to his sheer ignorance. That's how it feels when people who have explored the spiritual realm and are still exploring it hear atheists talk. You know how it feels when you claim you are a house owner, and someone is challenging you that you're lying. It's better in the days of mobile phones. When there were no phones, how would such a person prove that he has a house in some far away lands? You know how the house owner would feel. That's how I feel about you right now. I just keep wondering why on earth some set of people can deny obvious realities. Of course, it's not obvious to you. But it's so obvious to me and I keep wondering why you cannot see what I'm seeing. |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 8:11pm On Nov 04, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: What is spirit and spirit realm? Can you show me any proof of what you have explored? |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 8:59pm On Nov 04, 2022 |
LordReed: Man, let's assume you're arguing with a blind man, how would you prove to him that the moon exists? |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 10:26pm On Nov 04, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: Not interested in this rigamarole. Either you can provide the definitions and proof or you can't. |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 10:48pm On Nov 04, 2022 |
LordReed: You definitely couldn't prove the existence of the moon to a blind man, could you? |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by Maynnmaan: 7:32pm On Nov 05, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: How can you prove to a blind person that sight actually exists, that there are, in reality, people who see? 1 Like |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 12:46pm On Nov 08, 2022 |
Maynnmaan: By telling him to sit, walk or do whatever he feels like doing, and then tell him what he's doing as he does them. |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by Maynnmaan: 12:50pm On Nov 08, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: What if this blind man doesn’t know what “walk” and “sit” means, the same way he doesn’t know what “moon” means? |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 12:52pm On Nov 08, 2022 |
Maynnmaan: Then, tell him to do just anything, and then you'll tell him what he's doing. |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by Maynnmaan: 12:55pm On Nov 08, 2022 |
MFGCooperative:What if he is bed ridden? |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 9:27pm On Nov 08, 2022 |
Maynnmaan: Let him blink, wriggle his tongue, change his breathing pattern or move whatever he can. Then, while he does, tell him exactly what he's doing. |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by Maynnmaan: 10:33pm On Nov 08, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: He is bed ridden. |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by LordReed(m): 5:59am On Nov 09, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: So you can provide evidence to a blind man but when I ask you to provide evidence for spirit realm you start dribbling your own shadow. LoLz. 2 Likes |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 12:25pm On Nov 09, 2022 |
LordReed: Yes, because those things were in his realm. The moon for instance is not in the blind man's realm. Tell me how you would prove the existence of the noon or sky to a blind man. Of course you couldn't answer the question. The spirit realm is not your realm. You can only see it when you enter it. Since you couldn't provide evidence for the existence of the noon or the sky to a blind man, does that mean the moon and sky do not exist? |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by MFGCooperative: 12:30pm On Nov 09, 2022 |
Maynnmaan: Is he bedridden or completely paralysed? If he's complete paralysed, then, he's as good as dead. You can't prove anything to a dead man. |
Re: My Open Reply To "Lordreed" On His Argument Concerning The Existence Of God by Maynnmaan: 1:40pm On Nov 09, 2022 |
MFGCooperative: You mean paralyzed and dead are the same thing? |
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