YourFavEvangeli:


Why did the apostles baptise with water?

Good question. They were still growing in knowledge. It was Apostle Paul who later grasped the understanding of the doctrine of baptism. He said;

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM, (Ephesians 4:4-5).

After over 17 years of ministry, he said he said he only baptized a few people among thousands of converts he had probably won. He even said Christ did not send him to baptize. Read that narration below;

1Corinthians 1:14-17
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Our Lord Jesus cannot give the instruction to church to baptize with water and give a contrary instruction to Apostle Paul who wrote about half of the books in the New Testament.

There is one baptism. It was done with water during the ministry of John the Baptist but now it is been done by a more perfect means, the Holy Spirit.

John prophesied about it;

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: (Matthew 3:11)

John in the passage above said he does his baptism with water but Jesus will do his with the Holy Spirit.

Even our Lord Jesus said the same thing to his disciples before his ascension;

For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. (Acts 1:5) .

He said John baptized with water but his disciples will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. So, the church is not supposed to duplicate baptism. There is one baptism and it is now the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

YourFavEvangeli:


By water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

John 3:4-5 (KJV) Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jesus Christ never said anything of the Holy Spirit there in that passage which you quoted. So why do you assume water baptism to be of the Holy Spirit?

YourFavEvangeli:
1. Have you been baptised by water immersion in the name of Jesus? If yes, have you received the Holy Ghost?

2. If no, are you ready to be baptised now? Once you're baptised, I'll pray for you to receive the Holy Ghost and once it comes upon you, YOU ARE BORN AGAIN because you have become born of the water (baptism) and of the spirit (The filling of the Holy Ghost)

Now go and model Christ, be beautiful for Christ, be free, live a life of power and authority, heal the sick, cast out demons. These are the duties of a born again christian

Also, Jesus Christ never said baptism had to be of immersion either. In Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 33, where God spoke to us of what was to come, He, God, said He would sprinkle water on His own .. so why do you declare it is by immersion, suggesting that God is wrong?

2. Another thing, if you carefully examine what Jesus Christ did in fact say of how to become born again.. you would note that from John 3 vs 1 - 21 , one has to

■ Believe in Jesus Christ
▪︎ acquire eternal life through eating of the body and drinking of blood of Jesus Christ- John 6 vs 47 - 58
■ Be born of water
▪︎ Repent or change from following the Old way of living to following the New Covenant by submitting to and obeying the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. - Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11
▪︎ be baptized in water to show that one has made the change
■ be born from Spirit - God installs a new spirit inside of those who are born from spirit- Ezekiel 36 vs 25

YourFavEvangeli:
Matthew 3 and John 1 were talking about John the Baptist talking about how he knew Jesus was the Christ.

Matthew 2 vs 38: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 2 vs 41: Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls
Acts ch 8 vs 35 - 38: Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. 36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him
Acts 10 vs 45 - 48: The circumcised believers who had accompanied Peter were astounded that the gift of the holy Spirit should have been poured out on the Gentiles also, 46 for they could hear them speaking in tongues and glorifying God. Then Peter responded, 47 “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people, who have received the holy Spirit even as we have?” 48 He ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

There is baptism by water and baptism by the Holy Ghost, usually the baptism by the Holy Ghost always comes after the baptism by water but in Acts ch 8, baptism by the Holy Ghost came first to prove that the gentiles can receive the Holy Ghost as well.

If you choose to be a soldier of the cross without the promises of the new testament, you are OYO.
Grace can cover you in the event that you are in a circumstance where you cannot be baptised, but if you know and refuse to be baptised, goodluck!

Acts 1:4-5
4And while they were gathered together, He commanded them:
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift the Father promised, which you have heard Me discuss.
5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26
But the Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor—Counselor, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit,
whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf],
He will teach you all things. And He will help you remember everything that I have told you.

Acts 11:15-16
15As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, just as He had fallen upon us at the beginning.
16Then I remembered the word of the Lord, as He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Of course, there is baptism by water (i.e. operating under the law) and baptism by the Holy Ghost, just as there is physical circumcision (i.e. operating under the law) and spiritual circumcision. I know which ones are better, loll.

Matthew 2 vs 38 is totally and theologically wrong because the cancellation of sin, is not done in the name of Jesus, but rather remission of sin happened on the basis of the shedding of Jesus' blood.

Now watch this, if Jesus clearly stated Holy Spirit baptism in Acts 1:5 seen up there, on whose authority is Apostle Peter gone to say water baptism in Acts 2:38 gives remission of sins, when I John 1:7 clearly says 'and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin [by erasing the stain of sin, keeping us cleansed from sin in all its forms and manifestations].' and Hebrews 9:22b supports that truth by saying 'without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness [neither release from sin and its guilt, nor cancellation of the merited punishment].'

Equally why would Philip, the Apostle, also slip on this theological banana skin of operating under the law, by carrying out water baptism for the Ethiopian eunuch? It simply is because of Acts 2:42, that is they continually and faithfully devoting themselves to the doctrine and instruction of the apostles, and not of the instruction of Jesus. They were operating under the law. Smh.

Jesus, in Acts 1:5, said Holy Spirit baptism but Apostle Peter, in Acts 2:38, drifts away from Jesus expressed instruction, about Holy Spirit baptism, to go prescribe to water baptism (i.e. Acts 10:47–48)

Apostle Philip too, succumbed to pressure to facilitate water baptism against Jesus' expressed order of Holy Spirit baptism. They were operating under the law. Smh.

It wasnt until Acts 11:16, that Apostle Peter came to himself, which is, at the point when John 14:26 got fulfilled. It's at Acts 11:16, that Apostle Peter remembered that, its actually Holy Spirit baptism what Jesus taught them and not water baptism (i.e. Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’)

Apostle Paul, because of the at Acts 19:4-5, made a u-turn departure from operating under the law, with at I Corinthians 1:14, literally saying:
'I thank God I didnt water baptized any of you'

TruthinAction:
I pray that the Lord will one day open the eyes of your understanding on this subject in Jesus name. Amen. I will not argue with someone who is not ready to learn.

Ephesians 4:5
There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

TruthinAction, the combination of your disgraceful attempt at butchering John 3:6 and YourFavEvangeli prooftexting verses of the bible against one and another under a self deception of having some sort of understanding that is false just shows you both belong to some bizarre cult

One baptism. The Holy Spirit baptism. Not, no poxy, water baptism, but just one baptism, the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We've done away with operating under the law, so go argue with some one that has ignorance to exchange with your on display bagful of ignorances. KMFT.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

AntiChristian:
Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.

Not to us.

The same Jesus Christ then sent His own disciples out into the world to teach the same Gospel He taught to them to every one out there - Mark 16 vs 15 - 19

Should we also consider one aspect of what Jesus Christ said ignoring the rest?

YourFavEvangeli:
Every one who believes and is baptised is joined into one body with Christ so we become Israelites through Christ, so Jesus was sent to us.

Thanks for pointing that out.

God forbid! God called the Israelites a "Stiff-necked" people, so why would He want to have us Gentiles become like them? God sent Jesus Christ to bring redemption from the curse, even to the Israelites, so why would God want us to become like the Israelites?

God never said we become israelites when we are joined to Jesus Christ. In fact, Jesus Christ never said we become Israelites when we abide in Him and He in us, so where do you get this annoying idea from?

Nackzy:
You must be baptised by those who have the Priesthood Authority, The Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saint.

Rubbish!

YourFavEvangeli:
Wrong, just be baptised by a Spirit filled christian

Also Rubbish!

When the disciples of Jesus Christ went around with Jesus Christ baptizing people, they hadn't obtained the Spirit of God aka the Holy Spirit at the time.

YourFavEvangeli:
To the ordinary eye, maybe but in the spirit ita a new birth

A new birth which God never said had to do with His Holy Spirit but instead a birth of the spirit kind.

For example, demons are born from spirit but be sure there spirit is not of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ explained right there in John 3 vs 5 - 8 that those you can't easily predict the spirit in those who are born from spirit.

Kobojunkie:
The same Jesus Christ then sent His own disciples out into the world to teach the same Gospel He taught to them to every one out there - Mark 16 vs 15 - 19

Should we also consider one aspect of what Jesus Christ said ignoring the rest?

I am very sure Jesus does not have two mouths!

He sent his disciple out but "he" was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel!

AntiChristian:
I am very sure Jesus does not have two mouths!

He sent his disciple out but "he" was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel!

Again, God Himself decreed from the time or Abraham that the one He sent to the Descendants of Abraham, He would use to bless the nations with. So, yes, Jesus Christ was indeed promised and sent to the Lost sheep of Israel, just as He declared. And He was promised by God to bless the nations of the world as well.

Now the same Jesus Christ, who said He was sent to the Lost sheep of Israel, is also recorded to have taught several times of Gentiles gathering at the same table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob(Israel) in God's Kingdom - Matthew 8 vs 5 - 13 is one such place - the same Kingdom which He brought down to the Lost sheep of Israel.

So yes, the very same Jesus Christ also welcomed the Gentiles into the Kingdom of God by sending His very own disciples, God's workers,into the world , to teach the New Covenant agreement which He brought,to all who will accept Him.

It is OK if you chose to believ Jesus Christ was being double-mouthed by that.

Kobojunkie:
A new birth which God never said had to do with His Holy Spirit but instead a birth of the spirit kind.

For example, demons are born from spirit but be sure there spirit is not of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ explained right there in John 3 vs 5 - 8 that those you can't easily predict the spirit in those who are born from spirit.

Where exactly did Jesus say what you just said

YourFavEvangeli:
Where exactly did Jesus say what you just said

Did you read John 3 vs 5 - 8 at all?

Kobojunkie:
Also Rubbish!

When the disciples of Jesus Christ went around with Jesus Christ baptizing people, they hadn't obtained the Spirit of God aka the Holy Spirit at the time.

The new testament hadnt began then so the Holy Spirit wasnt promised to everyone. The new testament began when the blood of Jesus was shed on the cross.
However the apostles functioned under given authority. Think of it as an interim government/convenant that lasted between the old and the new testament

Kobojunkie:
God forbid! God called the Israelites a "Stiff-necked" people, so why would He want to have us Gentiles become like them? God sent Jesus Christ to bring redemption from the curse, even to the Israelites, so why would God want us to become like the Israelites?

God never said we become israelites when we are joined to Jesus Christ. In fact, Jesus Christ never said we become Israelites when we abide in Him and He in us, so where do you get this annoying idea from?

We become one with Christ, whatever Christ is, we are, case closed!

YourFavEvangeli:
The new testament hadnt began then so the Holy Spirit wasnt promised to everyone. The new testament began when the blood of Jesus was shed on the cross.
However the apostles functioned under given authority. Think of it as an interim government/convenant that lasted between the old and the new testament

Are you insinuating that every baptism that took place before the New Covenant was ratified, and even before the day of Pentecost, were of no meaning?

Interim government? For Pete's sake, what you insinuate was not as prescribed by God so what do you mean by this interim government idea you now choose to add to what is in fact written?

YourFavEvangeli:
We become one with Christ, whatever Christ is, we are, case closed!

Really? If you read John 15 vs 1 - 11, you would understand that even what you claim above isn't of His teaching.

NNTR:
Acts 1:4-5
4And while they were gathered together, He commanded them:
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift the Father promised, which you have heard Me discuss.
5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26
But the Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor—Counselor, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit,
whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf],
He will teach you all things. And He will help you remember everything that I have told you.

Acts 11:15-16
15As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, just as He had fallen upon us at the beginning.
16Then I remembered the word of the Lord, as He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Of course, there is baptism by water (i.e. operating under the law) and baptism by the Holy Ghost, just as there is physical circumcision (i.e. operating under the law) and spiritual circumcision. I know which ones are better, loll.

Matthew 2 vs 38 is totally and theologically wrong because the cancellation of sin, is not done in the name of Jesus, but rather remission of sin happened on the basis of the shedding of Jesus' blood.

Now watch this, if Jesus clearly stated Holy Spirit baptism in Acts 1:5 seen up there, on whose authority is Apostle Peter gone to say water baptism in Acts 2:38 gives remission of sins, when I John 1:7 clearly says 'and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin [by erasing the stain of sin, keeping us cleansed from sin in all its forms and manifestations].' and Hebrews 9:22b supports that truth by saying 'without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness [neither release from sin and its guilt, nor cancellation of the merited punishment].'

Equally why would Philip, the Apostle, also slip on this theological banana skin of operating under the law, by carrying out water baptism for the Ethiopian eunuch? It simply is because of Acts 2:42, that is they continually and faithfully devoting themselves to the doctrine and instruction of the apostles, and not of the instruction of Jesus. They were operating under the law. Smh.

Jesus, in Acts 1:5, said Holy Spirit baptism but Apostle Peter, in Acts 2:38, drifts away from Jesus expressed instruction, about Holy Spirit baptism, to go prescribe to water baptism (i.e. Acts 10:47–48)

Apostle Philip too, succumbed to pressure to facilitate water baptism against Jesus' expressed order of Holy Spirit baptism. They were operating under the law. Smh.

It wasnt until Acts 11:16, that Apostle Peter came to himself, which is, at the point when John 14:26 got fulfilled. It's at Acts 11:16, that Apostle Peter remembered that, its actually Holy Spirit baptism what Jesus taught them and not water baptism (i.e. Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’)

Apostle Paul, because of the at Acts 19:4-5, made a u-turn departure from operating under the law, with at I Corinthians 1:14, literally saying:
'I thank God I didnt water baptized any of you'

Ephesians 4:5
There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

TruthinAction, the combination of your disgraceful attempt at butchering John 3:6 and YourFavEvangeli prooftexting verses of the bible against one and another under a self deception of having some sort of understanding that is false just shows you both belong to some bizarre cult

One baptism. The Holy Spirit baptism. Not, no poxy, water baptism, but just one baptism, the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We've done away with operating under the law, so go argue with some one that has ignorance to exchange with your on display bagful of ignorances. KMFT.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Lol, so the apostles were wrong by baptising with water and you are the right one...

Where in the old testament was water baptism carried out?
Water baptism started with John the baptist which was a fore-runner of Christ so where is the law in that? Moses was the law giver, where did Moses baptise with water?

In the time of the apostles, some people still baptised unto John's baptism and needed to be re-baptised in Jesus's name. After the apostles baptised with water, the baptism of the Holy Ghost follows.

Its our job to baptise with water, its the job of Jesus to baptise us with the Holy Ghose and fire.

U should know better than name calling.

Kobojunkie:
Also, Jesus Christ never said baptism had to be of immersion either. In Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 33, where God spoke to us of what was to come, He, God, said He would sprinkle water on His own .. so why do you declare it is by immersion, suggesting that God is wrong?

2. Another thing, if you carefully examine what Jesus Christ did in fact say of how to become born again.. you would note that from John 3 vs 1 - 21 , one has to

■ Believe in Jesus Christ
▪︎ acquire eternal life through eating of the body and drinking of blood of Jesus Christ- John 6 vs 47 - 58
■ Be born of water
▪︎ Repent or change from following the Old way of living to following the New Covenant by submitting to and obeying the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. - Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11
▪︎ be baptized in water to show that one has made the change
■ be born from Spirit - God installs a new spirit inside of those who are born from spirit- Ezekiel 36 vs 25

For your baptism to represent a burial in Christ, you should be immersed fully under. You dont bury a corpse by sprinkling water on it.

The most important thing in the Christian race is to believe in Jesus, be baptised in Jesus name and receive the Holy Spirit.

The Holy spirit will help you to do the rest .

Kobojunkie:
Really? If you read John 15 vs 1 - 11, you would understand that even what you claim above isn't of His teaching.

In John 15, Jesus said He is the true vine and asked us to abide in Him and He in us

How is that different from what I said?

Kobojunkie:
Are you insinuating that every baptism that took place before the New Covenant was ratified, and even before the day of Pentecost, were of no meaning?

Interim government? For Pete's sake, what you insinuate was not as prescribed by God so what do you mean by this interim government idea you now choose to add to what is in fact written?

Show me one water baptism in the old testament

Kobojunkie:
Did you read John 3 vs 5 - 8 at all?

Your initial post:
A new birth which God never said had to do with His Holy Spirit but instead a birth of the spirit kind. 

For example, demons are born from spirit but be sure there spirit is not of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ explained right there in John 3 vs 5 - 8 that those you can't easily predict the spirit in those who are born from spirit. 


John 3:5-8 (KJV)
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
***********

What in this verse indicates that Jesus wasnt talking about His Holy spirit?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never said anything of the Holy Spirit there in that passage which you quoted. So why do you assume water baptism to be of the Holy Spirit?

Being born of tbe water there is: Water baptism, Being born of the Spirit there is: Baptism of the Holy Ghost

The 2 work together.

YourFavEvangeli:
1. For your baptism to represent a burial in Christ, you should be immersed fully under. You dont bury a corpse by sprinkling water on it.

2. The most important thing in the Christian race is to believe in Jesus, be baptised in Jesus name and receive the Holy Spirit.

The Holy spirit will help you to do the rest .

1. Baptism has absolutely nothing to do with a burial in Jesus Christ. John the Baptist never taught any such idea and neither did Jesus Christ. So let's be careful how we add these foreign ideas that delude us away from the Truth of God Himself.

2. If the very foundation of the belief is faulty - against God's own declaration as proclaimed in Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - and against God's Truth, how can the belief be said to be of Jesus Christ , the one who is God's Truth?

YourFavEvangeli:
in John 15, Jesus said He is the true vine and asked us to abide in Him and He in us

How is that different from what I said?

Jesus Christ also said that only those who stay joined in Him in order to remain His.

6 If you don’t stay joined to me, you will be like a branch that has been thrown out and has dried up. All the dead branches like that are gathered up, thrown into the fire and burned.
7 Stay joined together with me, and follow my teachings. If you do this, you can ask for anything you want, and it will be given to you. - John 15 vs 6 - 7

In essence, continuous effort is required on the part of each follower in order to remain a branch on the vine.

YourFavEvangeli:
Show me one water baptism in the old testament

John the Baptist was an Old Covenant prophet - He was the one given the original mission to baptize the children of Israel in preparation for the Kingdom of God. John's disciples later became disciples of Jesus Christ and they continued the work that John was doing even as they went around with Jesus Christ as their new teacher.

YourFavEvangeli:


Your initial post:
A new birth which God never said had to do with His Holy Spirit but instead a birth of the spirit kind. 

For example, demons are born from spirit but be sure there spirit is not of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ explained right there in John 3 vs 5 - 8 that those you can't easily predict the spirit in those who are born from spirit. 


John 3:5-8 (KJV)
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
***********

What in this verse indicates that Jesus wasnt talking about His Holy spirit?

Right there in the last verse.

5 Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.
6 The only life people get from their human parents is physical. But the new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual.
7 Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.” - John 3 vs 5 - 8

TruthinAction:


Good question. They were still growing in knowledge. It was Apostle Paul who later grasped the understanding of the doctrine of baptism. He said;

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM, (Ephesians 4:4-5).

After over 17 years of ministry, he said he said he only baptized a few people among thousands of converts he had probably won. He even said Christ did not send him to baptize. Read that narration below;

1Corinthians 1:14-17
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Our Lord Jesus cannot give the instruction to church to baptize with water and give a contrary instruction to Apostle Paul who wrote about half of the books in the New Testament.

There is one baptism. It was done with water during the ministry of John the Baptist but now it is been done by a more perfect means, the Holy Spirit.

John prophesied about it;

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: (Matthew 3:11)

John in the passage above said he does his baptism with water but Jesus will do his with the Holy Spirit.

Even our Lord Jesus said the same thing to his disciples before his ascension;

For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. (Acts 1:5) .

He said John baptized with water but his disciples will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. So, the church is not supposed to duplicate baptism. There is one baptism and it is now the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

There is one body: The body of Christ is one, we are all heirs of the father, the bride not brides.

and one Spirit:: The only Spirit God gives us is the Holy Spirit, that one Spirit can manifest any gift or change in the life of an individual. There cant be 2 HolySpirit in an individual, only demons do that.

even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord: Our God is one, we dont worship anyone not even the highest angels or creatures

one faith: Our faith and doctrine is one, anything that deviates from that is false

ONE BAPTISM, (Ephesians 4:4-5):
Acts 19:3-5 (KJV) [/b]And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
[b]Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Interestingly, there's another baptism mentioned in this same chapter by the same Apostle Paul

Acts 19:6-7 (KJV) And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve.

What does this chapter mean by saying that they were baptised in the name of Jesus?

In 1Chor Apostle Paul was settling a quarrel in the church where the church split into 4 factions ( Paul, Apollos, Cephas and Christ)

1 Corinthians 1:11-17 (KJV) For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.


Paul himself admitted to baptising Crispus, Gaius and the household of Stephanas. So if God told Paul not to baptise, by the higjlighted here and the text in Acts 19 vs 6 - 7 does it not show that Paul practised water baptism in the name of Jesus?

YourFavEvangeli:
Being born of tbe water there is: Water baptism, Being born of the Spirit there is: Baptism of the Holy Ghost

The 2 work together.

But this isn't what Jesus Christ said..

5 Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.
6 The only life people get from their human parents is physical. But the new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual.
7 Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit. - John 3 vs 5 - 8

There is no indication that the Holy Spirit is involved in that at all. And if you read closely Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27, you wil see that God made clear what would take place When one is born of Spirit, same thing Jesus Christ teaches here in the above passage...a new birth of the Spirit kind.

Recall, the reason Jesus Christ gave as far as being born-again, it is in order that one gain access, through a door/gate, into the Kingdom of God.

There are two doors into the Kingdom of God - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14
● the broad Gate which leads to destruction
● the narrow Gate which leaders to true life.

And Jesus Christ admonished us to ensure we enter in through the narrow Gate - Luke 13 vs 22 - 30.

Kobojunkie:
Right there in the last verse.

That spirit Jesus was talking about is the[b] Holy [/b]Spirit

1 John 5:4-8 (KJV) For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

On earth here, the water, the blood and the spirit bear witness. The water spoken of is not the water of the word but water baptism.
The blood of Jesus was shed on this earth 2022 years ago on the cross so that also speaks.
The Spirit (The Holy Spirit) in a Christian speaks too .

When you as a Christian has been baptised in the name of Jesus, the water has borne witness of you
The blood of Jesus in who you were baptised bears witness as well.
When you step out of the water, you are prayed for and the Holy Spirit comes upon you, this Spirit also bears witness to heaven of you.

Let me give examples of how these can bear witness.
When the devil comes to strike u maybe through ancestral curses or evil inheritances, the water testifies that you have been buried and that old lineage is dead.
When the devil tries to strike you through your sin, the blood of Jesus bears witness that Jesus has paid for that sin.
When you are binding the devil and the devil tries to challenge your authority to command him, the Holy spirit bears witness that He is inside you and its by His authority that you are comanding.

Kobojunkie:
But this isn't what Jesus Christ said..
There is no indication that the Holy Spirit is involved in that at all. And if you read closely Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27, you wil see that God made clear what would take place When one is born of Spirit, same thing Jesus Christ teaches here in the above passage...a new birth of the Spirit kind.

Recall, the reason Jesus Christ gave as far as being born-again, it is in order that one gain access, through a door/gate, into the Kingdom of God.

There are two doors into the Kingdom of God - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14
● the broad Gate which leads to destruction
● the narrow Gate which leaders to true life.

And Jesus Christ admonished us to ensure we enter in through the narrow Gate - Luke 13 vs 22 - 30.

Jesus commanded His disciples to baptise whoever believes and the disciples baptised with water so which other water was Jesus talking about?

There is no indication that the Holy Spirit is involved in that at all.

Which Spirit was Jesus talking about

Kobojunkie:
Right there in the last verse.

That verse you quoted is talking about the Holy Spirit 100%