Kobojunkie:
Interesting! But God's Word has never in fact been dependent on your Bible to begin with.

1. So, what does the phrase "pass away" mean in there in Matthew 24 vs 35 and Matthew 5 vs 18? Also exactly is His Word meant to fulfill?

2. God never decreed this canonization of is word you refer to in the first place, so how can He be made responsible for this supposed outsourcing you claim?

cornelboy:
Okay but don't you have a church? At least their doctrines would have influenced your opinion here.

cornelboy:
Okay but don't you have a church? At least their doctrines would have influenced your opinion here.

tctrills:
1. simple English, to be fulfilled means to come to pass, to happen. for example, If Jesus said he would return again to earth, whether it is written in a bible or not, it would be fulfilled.

2. You are just making my point more and more. If the canonization isn't from God, it's then Obviously from the devil. That's why I spoke about devil worship. You claim the canonization isn't of God and yet you somehow trust the works of satan?

cornelboy:
What's in their bible that's different from other bible?
Between their doctrines and christians doctrines which one is aligned with Bible's pure doctrine?

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The JWs believe and teach that Jesus is God's son and he's the messiah sent by his Father to give the ultimate gift to mankind, eternal life.
Does the bible teach that Jesus is equal to his Father or Jesus is the God of New testament like some christians would say?

cornelboy:
(Titus 3:9) But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
My dear can i ask wise questions?
°The bible, does it teach different beliefs or just one Truth?
°Why is there so many different beliefs today?
°Which of the christian organization beliefs aligns with the Bible?
°Should there be different beliefs among churches?

Incase you don't know, Jehovah witnesses are christians.

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't think you answered the questions. My question again is, in the context of God's Law, what does it mean to indicate that a law will not "pass away"?

And exactly what purpose is His Word meant to fulfill?

2. The canonization of your Bible refers to the process by which the church of men concluded on the authority of the books included, is it not? God didn't command men to do such in His name and so the decision to do so was solely of men and not of God. Now if you wish to believe that all decisions not decreed by God but made by men are of the devil, then you are free to do so.

tctrills:
1Its simple God is never going to change his Law. Men could change the content of the bible but God wouldn't change his law.

2. Beautiful, you now accept that it was the Decision of men in the not God to basically reduce the scripture to 66 books. Let me also add that those me were from the church of satan as you guys claim. So you are basically worshiping men from the church of the devil. You trust them and you live by their works, Good of you

Kobojunkie:
1. So how is this different from what I stated earlier?

2. I stated that it was not of God from the onset..

tctrills:

First Jesus did not teach the doctrine of the Torah so if the Pharisees and scribes changed it, still wouldn't have changed Christianity the true way of God. We both know that the Torah would not lead us to God so why would they have changed it. It's a waste of time.
ITs not written anywhere that God must do everything to protect the bible. I gave you evidence of many books quoted in the bible that are lost, God did not protect them. Even if all the bibles in the world are lost God would always reach his people. He didn't need a bible to call Moses or Abraham. Saul did not read a bible on the way to Damascus.

tctrills:

Now we are beginning to agree.
Jeremiah 17:5
Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord. You cant trust the canonized bible if it wasn't commanded by God.
Again if it was carried out by the church of satan, more reasons to doubt it. You shouldn't receive a gift from satan

Kobojunkie:
Maybe what you keep saying makes sense to you and that is fine. I believe I have more than explained by stance clear as far as scripture is concerned, don't you think?

cornelboy:
If the Torah had been completely lost, there's no way i would have believed in Jesus as the messiah or God Himself.

I would be atheist now. I could only believe if i had that supernatural encounter from Jesus like Paul.

It's obvious that the Catholics of this generation are not following God's will and commandments.
If not for the OT how would we know what sins against God are?

The word of God endured...

tctrills:

God for you. The Torah Led you to Christ. I know a Muslim that the Quran led to Christ. And [s]Paul did not need a book to come to God. Obviously, God moves in mysterious ways[/s].

MaxInDHouse:

Thanks to JEHOVAH my brother!

These people don't believe in God and they're out to discourage anyone from putting trust in God. Matthew 23:13

A diligent study of God's word has taught us that God often forgive and forget the past errors of imperfect humans {Numbers 14:18; Micah 7:18} surely God is talking about those that committed grievous blunders in pure worship but later made a U-turn not wicked and unrepentant evildoers who will like to silence God's servants sent to correct them!
So if the Catholic Church has practiced paganism in the past what now happens to those living in our time who wouldn't make any effort to change the old tradition?
That's why God said such ones will answer for all the errors of their past leaders! Exodus 34:7

If Russell and his team celebrates Christmas in their time and through the intensive study of those that continue as International Bible Students Association discovered that Christmas is of pagan origin and stopped it are they not different from those who have kept it for centuries and continue telling people it's Jesus' birthday?

tctrills:
Not really but I cant Kill you for believing what you believe.
I actually enjoyed doing this with you.

cornelboy:

God’s View of Blood
Blood is vital. Without it, none of us could live. As the Creator, God has the right to say how blood may be used. What has he said about blood? Can it be eaten or transfused? And how can you make good decisions on this matter?
1. What is Jehovah’s view of blood?Jehovah told his worshippers in Bible times: “The life of every sort of flesh is its blood.” (Leviticus 17:14) To Jehovah, blood represents life. Since life is a sacred, or holy, gift from God, blood is also sacred.
2. What use of blood does God forbid?Jehovah commanded his pre-Christian worshippers not to eat blood. (Read Genesis 9:4 and Leviticus 17:10.) He confirmed this command when the governing body instructed Christians to “keep abstaining . . . from blood.”​—Read Acts 15:28, 29.What does it mean to abstain from blood? If a doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, you would not drink it. But would you eat foods that contained it or have alcohol injected into your veins? Obviously not. Likewise, God’s command to abstain from blood means that we should not drink blood or eat meat that has not been bled. Nor should we eat any food to which blood has been added.
What about the medical use of blood? Some procedures clearly violate God’s law. These include the transfusion of whole blood or any of its main components​—red cells, white cells, platelets, and plasma. Other medical procedures may not be a clear-cut violation of God’s law. For example, some procedures involve the use of fractions of one of the main components of blood. Other procedures involve the use of a person’s own blood. When weighing these options, each of us must make a personal decision.​—Galatians 6:5.

Rosement bepost=109571720:

This thread is so disgusting. After, I have answered your questions, I don't expect you to still be criticising Christianity or arguing with others about the Christian doctrine. Christianity is different from jw. Christians worship Jesus, jws don't.

Trinity- The Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit are equal but they have different roles to perform, just like husbands and wives have different roles to perform in the family.

This is the verse where Jesus referred to Trinity.
(Matthew 28:18-19)
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Jesus is the Messiah, He is God but He made Himself a full human being and came into the world.
This is the prophesy about the Messiah.
(Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This is where Jesus claimed that He is the Messiah.
(John 4:25-26)
25. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

Jesus rebuked the devil when the devil tempted Him. He said "Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve." Why did Jesus not rebuke people when they were worshipping Him, why did He permit them to worship Him instead if He (the only begotten Son of God) is not equal with God? Will He have permitted people to worship Him if He is an angel of God and not God Himself?

This is the verse where Jesus made someone worship Him.
(John 9:33-38)
33. If this man were not of God, he could do nothing.
34.They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.
35. Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36. He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

This is the verse that proves that Jesus was worshipped even when He was a baby.
(Matthew 2:11) And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Rosement:

What right do you have to criticize the Christian doctrine? Your jw group is man-made, jws don't worship Jesus as God..

Nelidee:


Be there deceiving yourself.
If you like, allow your loved one to die as a result of a silly policy from 7 men in Warwick.

Just have it at the back of your mind that while you are there forming obedience to your 7 god's in Warwick, your fellow brothers and sisters in Bulgaria are allowed to transfuse blood and save the lives of their loved ones and be happy.

Kobojunkie:
Ok

tctrills:

God for you. The Torah Led you to Christ. I know a Muslim that the Quran led to Christ. And Paul did not need a book to come to God. Obviously, God moves in mysterious ways.

cornelboy:
Thanks bro. Would you kill someone because you needed to save your live or rather trust Jehovah God?

cornelboy:
Both the Torah and injeel made me believe.
Your not wrong. There are some verses in the Koran that can make you believe in Christ than Mohammed.

The fact is the bible is what we have today. God words endured....

Nelidee:


No need to ask me all these subliminal brainwashing questions that they've thought you people to ask in your week meetings. Save it. It doesn't work on me.

God forbid, but if your loved one needs blood... please stand there and watch the person die. But while you do that, have it at the back of your mind that your fellow brothers and sisters in Bulgaria are free to transfuse blood and save the life of their loved ones and go home happy and there is no penalty or conscience pep talk given to them by your 7 god's in Warwick.

They are aware and they support it.

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus did not say by their claims but he said "by their FRUITS" Matthew 7:16-18
So can you present the WORKS of your faith? James 2:18-26
Thanks as you reply with scriptures!

Nelidee:

Be there deceiving yourself.
If you like, allow your loved one to die as a result of a silly policy from 7 men in Warwick.
Just have it at the back of your mind that while you are there forming obedience to your 7 god's in Warwick, your fellow brothers and sisters in Bulgaria are allowed to transfuse blood and save the lives of their loved ones and be happy.

tctrills:

That's the chance you are taking and not a fact you know. Your beliefs are contradictory. Less than an hour ago, one of your brothers Kobojunkie finally confessed that he doesn't believe the canonization of the bible was of God. Did you read it?
You cant accept the catholic to be the church of the devil and then accept a gift from the devil.

cornelboy:
I don't believe in 7 gods but Jehovah God.
They did not practice blood transfusion to intentionally kill their loved ones but rather obey God's commandments bout blood.
Blood transfusion is a science invention and it's clearly against God's commands about blood.
You could contract diseases like hepatitis through the process.
Even it's been proved that bloodless surgery are better.
There are cases where mass transfusion if blood killed the patients.
Your opinion is respected bro.

JWs put their trust in God.
You don't have to condemn them for the practice.

Rosement:

You don't even understand that verse you quoted. Are you expecting physical fruits to start growing on the head of Christians? The fruit Jesus was referring to is those fruits will gain by reading the word of God and practicing them like Love, honesty, modesty and kindness and the fruit of Holy Spirit. Or what fruits do your jw brothers and sisters have?

cornelboy:
Kobojunkie is not one of my brothers abeg na. I believe in Jehovah God if you don't na your problem. I'm not taking chance

I never said the devil created the Catholic church or they are devils. If i did quote me.