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Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:51pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: Funny enough, to billions of people around the world CHRISTIANITY is the traditional dogmas passed on from generation to generation of religious sects contradicting themselves in the name of Jesus! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 12:53pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
Are you telling me God wasn't aware of these facts before giving the law? The procedure is simple, drain the blood of the animals before eating, avoid eating strangled one. God is okay with that since most of the blood has been drained. Leviticus 17:10-14 [10]“And if any native Israelite or foreigner living among you eats or drinks blood in any form, I will turn against that person and cut him off from the community of your people, [11]for the life of the body is in its blood. I have given you the blood on the altar to purify you, making you right with the lord. It is the blood, given in exchange for a life, that makes purification possible. [12]That is why I have said to the people of Israel, ‘You must never eat or drink blood—neither you nor the foreigners living among you.’ [13]“And if any native Israelite or foreigner living among you goes hunting and kills an animal or bird that is approved for eating, he must drain its blood and cover it with earth. [14]The life of every creature is in its blood. That is why I have said to the people of Israel, ‘You must never eat or drink blood, for the life of any creature is in its blood.’ So whoever consumes blood will be cut off from the community. Leviticus 19:26 [26]“Do not eat meat that has not been drained of its blood.“ Acts of the Apostles 15:20 [20]Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from eating food offered to idols, from sexual immorality, from eating the meat of strangled animals, and from consuming blood. I'm not forcing it on you bro, if you fail to see the reasons JWs abstain from blood, it's okay. Thank you. tctrills: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 12:58pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
Thank you. Hope you don't masturbate? If you do na hell fire straight. Na mummy G.O talk am. Dtruthspeaker: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Workch: 1:05pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:let me rephrase this then probably you can get how ridiculous your statement sound. "Flying spaghetti monster is spirit, no matter what you do you can't get the evidence. Leave evidence of Flying spaghetti monster for people wey believe in Flying spaghetti monster. How would you get evidence for something you don't believe exists at all? Definitely your looking for nothing. If any scientist can perform a BigBang experiment in a laboratory and produce a living creature, I'll believe you." |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 1:07pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
What's in their bible that's different from other bible? Between their doctrines and christians doctrines which one is aligned with Bible's pure doctrine? The JWs believe and teach that Jesus is God's son and he's the messiah sent by his Father to give the ultimate gift to mankind, eternal life. Does the bible teach that Jesus is equal to his Father or Jesus is the God of New testament like some christians would say? Rosement: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:07pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: The reason why God warned us to ABSTAIN from blood is there in all versions of the Bible but if someone doesn't read carefully, study diligently, meditate thoroughly and pray fervently over each instructional verse found in the Bible it will be difficult to decipher what God wants us to know there! Let's read together the Bible book of Genesis 9:4 Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat. Here God is telling us why we must not take in the blood of another creature: because each creature has all it's body formation imprinted in it's blood. So when transfusing from one body to another certain organisms not related to your body comes in and it will surely affect such a person later. Today series of ailments curable and incurable keep emerging. Do scientists know how this is happening? The answer is NO! All they try to do is experimenting with what they can see. But when God says something He has seen the result far away before we can see it. It's until we are effected that we will understand but as a loving father He doesn't want us to learn the hard way! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK482202/ ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 1:12pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
Jehovah God is my own God. If your own na flying jetli talk make we know now. Workch: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by tctrills: 1:25pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:you are making my point for me. God gave a very strict law about draining blood so let's stop there why add blood transfusion? If God was against us taking up blood, he would have banned the eating of meat. Clearly, God was not against us taking blood he was only against us eating it as a meal. The only commandment we have against blood is in relationship to eating no transfusion. We don't know more than god so dont add to his words |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by tctrills: 1:43pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:In your words, God is okay with that since most of the blood has been drained. Its a bit funny to me. You seem to be saying that it's no longer about taking in blood but the amount you take in. So if I may ask, what is the specified amount of blood that we can consume? Let's get serious here, the only thing God spoke about is eating blood. Neither of us has a right to add. When we add, it gets confusing and we end up making a fool of ourselves with our facts got wrong. Before I educated you about the quantity of blood in meat, I am sure you had no idea. The laws of God are firm, clear, and direct. The cant be proved wrong by facts. |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Workch: 1:46pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:Nope, your God is as real as thr flying spaghetti monster |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:25pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: I intend to avoid all sins. |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 2:39pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
Don't let it stop at your intention, rather you should act it out ![]() ![]() And when you pray, you pray to Jehovah God the Father directly through Jesus Christ. Don't pray to Jesus o. Dtruthspeaker: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:42pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: You would not know if I have already overcome all those stupidities. 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by tctrills: 2:53pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:Jehovah's witnesses do not believe in blood transfusion but they accept unfractionated plasma which is the largest component of blood. How do you reconcile the two? Like all humans, they also have to stay alive even if they have to twist their laws |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 3:15pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
You talk as if you don't believe in God. God commanded them to avoid eating or drinking or consuming blood in any form. Likewise he said they shouldn't eat meat without draining so as to avoid consuming of blood. So if they drained the blood out they are free to eat. My question is; wasn't God aware then that if they drained the meat, there would still be some blood left in some internal organs? Perhaps you don't know that your proving God as not all knowing and senseless cos of your indefinite ranting about the amount of blood left in the meat and claiming that despite draining we still eat blood. Na you go give us standard abi God? God was clear bout it. Eat meat after draining, that's the standard. Whether blood remain in the vein or not, it doesn't matter. But intentionally taking another person's blood into your body by transfusion is not different from eating or drinking or consuming it. The law is mainly bout blood. So to avoid consuming blood from meat, it's to be drained. Naso the bible put am no be me. Why would God say he hates planting different crops in a row or joining linen and wool together? There are some things God sees as abominable that we take as normal. You have your view and JWs have theirs but you don't need to condemn their view. Judge yourself between JWs and other christians, which of their belief on blood transfusion obeys God's law of abstaining from blood? tctrills: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 3:17pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
They don't accept any of the four primary fractions tctrills: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 3:22pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by tctrills: 3:22pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:I know that too but what they accept is clearly a product of blood. I mean did God tell them what part of the blood to accept and what to reject? |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by tctrills: 3:25pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:You are the one talking like you know more than God. He said to drain blood from the meat. He never spoke about transfusion. The reason you gave for refusing transfusion is equally found in eating meat. It's that simple. you act as you know more than God. I never condemn anyone I just challenged their opinion. You cant be eating meat, liver, and receiving fractionated plasma then claiming blood transfusion is any different. Pure hypocrisy. I also don't think we have to interpret for God. All his commandments are 100%. If its not clearly stated, then its not God's commandment. |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:28pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: To BELIEVE connotes TRUST and when we talk about GOD we mean the Supreme Being, the only way to prove we believe in a supreme being is when we all agree on terms and conditions. But unbelievers deceiving themselves will continue telling you they believe yet they can't present any organized group with whom they share the same line of thought. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God after saying he believes in God he presented an organized people with whom he shared the same line of thought {Matthew 12:46-50} and he prayed to his father to help his followers continue the legacy! John 17:20-23 The problem is not about blood transfusion but a plot against the one and only organized people having the same line of thought globally! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by tctrills: 3:33pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:I believe in God but I dont believe in men's poorly thought out laws. You say, But intentionally taking another person's blood into your body by transfusion is not different from eating or drinking or consuming it. How about intentionally consuming meat when you know it contains at least 5% blood. |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by tctrills: 3:38pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:Blood plasma fractionation refers to the general process of separating the various components of blood plasma, which in turn is a component of blood obtained through blood fractionation. If you don't know, now you know. 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by achorladey: 4:47pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: Interesting Lol you don't believe abstaining blood transfusion so why would that be your concern? You should know this is nairaland forum where people come to join in discussion or topics that suit their interest. You are educated enough to know that. Joining a discussion is not based on what you believe or not. Such therapies are not transfusions of those primary components; they usually involve parts or fractions thereof. Should Christians accept these fractions in medical treatment? We cannot say. The Bible does not give details, so a Christian must make his own conscientious decision before God." Make sure you keep in your diary all the words in bold. I will rephrase the following captured in your reference material this way............... Should Christians accept blood transfusion as medical treatment? We cannot say. The Bible does not give details, so a Christian must make his own conscientious decision before God. The question is who gave this people setting this policy details about accepting components of the primary fractions of blood. Who? The moment they start to decide what is allowed or acceptable to be transfused into the body is the moment they lost the plot regarding abstaining from blood transfusion and blood itself. Transfusing these major components allows a single unit of blood to be divided among more patients. Jehovah’s Witnesses hold that accepting whole blood or any of those four primary components violates God’s law. Did you see "Jehovah's witnesses hold not the Bible holds. That's a man made policy right there. Now when they say Jehovah's witnesses hold, reality says it is not the whole 8.7 million members that VETOED that policy. Majority accepted it as what it is without even knowing the length and breadth of what they signed into. When you carry your copy and paste come, we will dissect it on your behalf so you get to understand what they convey. |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by achorladey: 4:53pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
tctrills: Na la cram la pour. For now he is only reading, copying and pasting. I don't think he is digesting it at all. They said ABSTAIN from POTATOES they decided collect the POTATOES, extract the Starch to cook soup, eat the soup then clean mouth and say, look our hands are clean we are still abstaining from POTATOES ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 5:02pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:1a. In Matthew 16 vs 24 -28, Jesus Christ carefully explained how anyone who does not stop thinking about self and what self desires/wants is not worthy of Him. Surely you see from that how a one who choses a life as a fraudster cannot be a follower of Jesus Christ. ![]() 1b. In Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28, Jesus Christ explained that what is in fact sin is the lust in one's heart after a woman, and not the sexual acts themselves. So, as Jesus Christ clearly taught, masturbation in itself isn't sin. And since the act of masturbation is driven almost solely by lust, I hope you can see how though masturbation isn't sin, the one who masturbatws commits sin since he lusts in his heart in disobedience of Jesus Christ's commandment. ![]() 2. Keep telling yourself that convenient lie. ![]() 3. Remember Jesus Christ's teaching you by way of a parable that a little leaven leavens the whole lump - Matthew 13 vs 33 ? What that is saying to you is that it does not matter what the brand of the leaven or lie, so long as you add that lie to your life in His name, it will leaven - make a lie - of your entire belief and experience of Him. It does not matter whether you reject a set or brand of lies while you cling to another brand of lies. So long as what you cling to are lies, you continue to live in sin which is direct violation of God’s very own teachings and commandments to you, Jesus Christ. ![]() |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by tctrills: 5:07pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
achorladey:You really are confused. Just like you are told not to eat meat but you cook with meat stock, how smart are you. Your point is that if you break down blood into its constituent parts, you are free to use it. That makes zero sense. And that is very dishonest of you and I would prove it. If you believe it's ok to use the constituents of blood then when are JW against the use of red and white blood cells. Blood is basically a mixture of many things. You claim God asked you to abstain but you comfortably use constituents of blood. Did God say that you can use plasma but not red blood cells? We all know that the manmade commandment is not sustainable. I guess it's easy for people with poor science education to believe funny stuff. |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by achorladey: 5:25pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy: If you can't accept that masturbate is a sexual sin and cybercrimes are sins against God, i believe i have wasted my time responding to your comments. ![]() ![]() ![]() So it is what it is. Mature food belongs to those who have trained their minds to distinguish distinguish good from evil. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. Point of application, do you how many fractions, components that have been allowed or accepted, later banned after sometime again accepted, later banned e.t.c. That's how members get tossed up and down like infant on blood matter and masturbation too since the power to decide those policies didn't rest with them and their power to distinguish right and wrong taken away. They remain babes that need milk. ![]() ![]() Kids don't have mature minds to know the length and breadth of the issue under discussion here. No be seresere matter Oga. Learn. You that don't know the policies concerning blood employed by the religious organisations. You doing copy and paste for is telling me I am wasting your time ![]() ![]() ![]() The problem is many of you will be claiming that you're filled with the holy spirit Last time I checked the Bible you carry, you are not the one giving out spirit to those who seek it. You are limited in knowing how the spirit works ![]() ![]() ![]() I don't really know your problem about the JWs bro. You see me carry Jehovah's witnesses problem come your house to discuss or I tell you one before? Face discussion, I said it earlier when you come to platform like this post and comments get scrutinized. Abstaining from blood transfusion is even easier than believing God is three person When a person believe God is three person will that remove the simple command to Love God and Neighbour? ![]() ![]() Mixing another person's blood with mine would be abominable to God. The laws are there. See your words would be abominable to God in your case. It will be difficult to say is abominable to God without support from the scripture since it is still transfusion we are still discussing here. Blood transfusion even has complications. Some have died cos of massive whole blood transfusion. Some have even contract diseases. There are other alternative to blood transfusion. And bloodless surgery can be carried out Even panadol instructions get side effects. Has the side effects ever stopped you from taking panadol? Oga go look for the numerous person blood transfusion too don help. People wey no do blood transfusion are not immune from getting HIV/AIDS. The high rate of HIV/AIDS is not only by blood transfusion. Reason am Oga cornelboy. Why do you keep asking foolish questions? Is there any form of transfusion at all in the Bible? It is foolish question because there are no room for you to manoeuvre. The question on that common denominator still dey there for you to ponder. 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by achorladey: 5:41pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
tctrills: That post was referring to cornelboy response. Read it again you will see it. I was trying to make you see that he is only reading, copying from somewhere. He simply lacks the key policies surrounding all these things he is posting. |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by tctrills: 5:54pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
achorladey:Sorry seems I did not read it right. The cornelboy got himself trapped in some funny doctrine |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 5:55pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:1. Again, according to Jesus Christ, it isn't the sex that is sin but instead the lust in the heart after a woman - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28 ![]() 2. That a lie is easier to believe for you than another lie does not make it any less a lie. There are no laws given you by God to support the lies you have chosen to adhere to. ![]() Also, blood transfusions have saved so many more lives than has been lost as a result of it, so this argument of yours is not only baseless but has nothing to do with God but instead the foolish things of men. ![]() 3. That there was no reports of blood transfusions in the bibles does not valid your assertions regarding it nor your lie that your claim has to do with God. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Rosement(f): 7:32pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:Guy, I did not ask you for your personal opinion, do you expect me to be concerned about everybody's beliefs and opinions? Even children have their own personal beliefs and opinions. There is freedom of belief so you are entitled to your own beliefs and others are also entitled to theirs. Just try to be responsible and understand. If I am practicing jw's doctrine instead of my Christian doctrine, how am I a Christian? Christian doctrine is for Christians, anybody that wants to practice jw's doctrine should simply convert. It is not by force, you cannot force people to accept your belief and doctrine by criticising their doctrines. If you need converts so badly, then preach about your religion. You cannot change the Christian doctrine by criticising it, you are just wasting your time. Don't expect me to argue my doctrine with you, I don't participate in pointless arguments, I prefer to allow you believe whatever makes you sleep well at night. (Titus 3:9) But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. Do have a nice day! |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 7:45pm On Jan 20, 2022 |
cornelboy:1. According to you, your doctrines and traditions aren't the same as those of the other Christian groups, right? And as Jesus Christ made it clear via His teachings, all your church doctrines and traditions, regardless of the church business name, are lies and hence an abomination where the Truth of God is concerned - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 ![]() 2. Eternal life isn't the ultimate gift of God to men. Sonship is instead God's Willl for those who will choose to submit to and obey His teachings and commandments in Jesus Christ. ![]() |
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