Has the church (business) not got constitution?

If not, it's just a normal family business venture where anything goes.

Barrister026:
Pastors wife wants the junior pastor to be reporting to her if her husband is not around or any issue at all during church service.

She try as much to be in charge when her husband is off in another Church to minister.

This nearly caused a problem in the church today, while I was going home surprisingly a friend of mine supported the pastor's wife.. that she's the first lady of the church of God if her husband is not around.
she can represent him anytime to coordinate like most churches

What's your take on this issue is it right?

She should read her bible well about women handling church activities, the junior pastor should be in charge when the senior pastor is away.

None

Nonsense. God called the husband did he call wife too

spice123:

You didn't study that chapter of 1 Corinthians 14 properly before concluding. Apostle Paul was talking about prophecy and speaking in tongues. You only carved that portion in verse 34 to suit yourself. Kindly go back to your Bible and read with understanding.

Both in the old and new testament, women were not called to the priesthood.
1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

mastermaestro:


Thanks for helping me school them with Biblical proofs. Apparently, going by the recurring views of most supposed Christians on Nairaland regarding Christian beliefs and church affairs, you would realize that most of them have zero knowledge of the Bible and ministry.

Thus I hardly waste my energy educating them anymore. It's repulsive to see dumb comments from those who call themselves believers.

Shalom jare!

Thanks for your comment

It's refreshing when someone finally makes sense out of all the people who wallow in doctrines and small knowledge of the scripture but believe that they know it all.

Scripture says don't answer a fool and next verse it says to answer... So, when I have the time and really get pissed , I try to educate few

Bless you

God should be incharge
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LilMissFavvy:
If the junior pastor is not comfortable, then let him resign, not a big deal after all there are so many pastors already. He can join another ministry where his excesses will be condoned.

his excess? Do you think God work is by charisma? If a pastor wife have action and charisma, do you think she can do any miracle if God don't approve it? Benson idahosa died and I heard his wife take over the church, do you think she can do 1% of the miracle God use his husband to do? Well ,with time those member will start leaving one after the other till they do the right thing

The senior pastor should go and learn from Oyedepo

dalass:


It is disrespectful for junior pastor to believe that the woman he met in the church as a Pastor Mrs will seat down while he calls the shots.

In the bible, Deborah was a Prophetess who was appointed by God and controlled the whole nation of Israel including the army before Paul's era.

Aquila and priscilla were both in the ministry and they taught Apollos better in the word. So it is wrong to believe because one is female, she has no business in the affairs of the church!

Most Nigerian men are chauvinistic and that's why the society is this horrible. Zero respect for women. It is too glaring on NL self

Pelee madam Deborah. If pastor died and out of greed, pastor wife take over when God didn't approve it, no miracle will happen

dalass:


Thanks for your comment

It's refreshing when someone finally makes sense out of all the people who wallow in doctrines and small knowledge of the scripture but believe that they know it all.

Scripture says don't answer a fool and next verse it says to answer... So, when I have the time and really get pissed , I try to educate few

Bless you

Bless you too!

Mrbenny001:
Wow..oga o... You said someone was even supporting the pastor's wife... The wife can only take charge if has been made as co- CEO/ Director or officially assistant to the husband...if not by default the assistant pastor is the next oga after pastor, if the president or chairman of country or organization is going to be off..does the wife takes charge or the vice? Certainly its the vice, unless it's has been officially designated otherwise

We're talking about a business organisation here.

Why should an outsider take charge when the owner of the business is not available?!

immortalcrown:
Different pentecostal churches have different doctrines and most of the pentecostal churches survive on wrong interpretations of the Bible. Therefore, your question is unnecessary and has no answer. If your question is about the Catholic, Catholic doctrines can be followed to answer the question.

Logically, a pastor's wife is not a pastor. She should be respected but any treatment or task that is specifically for pastors should not be given to her. The wife of a medical doctor can have knowledge of the husband's work but it does not make her a medical doctor. The wife of a lawyer is not a lawyer just because she knows most of her husband's legal activities.

Biblically, one may ask what if the pastor's wife is also a pastor. To answer that question, does the Bible permit women to be pastors? (1 Corinthians 14:34) is even a new testament passage. Do you now understand why I said many pentecostal churches survive on biblical deviations? Catholic doctrines do not permit women ( even Reverend sisters) to lead the church. A catholic parish will not even let the parish priest miss the Holy Mass when there is no male catechist or another priest to stand in for the parish priest.

Stop this your archaic doctrine. God is not an author of confusion but you that doesn't understand the scriptures. The circumstances that informed the statement for women not to speak, is what you don't know. If you ask the bible scholar, you will be enlightened. The rift that happened within the church was what necessitated Paul to warn women to sober in the church not because he doesn't understand their teaching spirit.
Are you aware that there are prophetesses in the bible. The first prophetess in the Bible is Miriam. Read Exodus 15:20-21 "And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea". That was the old testament and many more. You may what to argue further but before you do that, let me quote another prophetess in the new testament. Luke 2:36-38 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem".
The bible specifically called them prophetesses but you may still want to argue blindly. Let me move further by telling you who prophetess is. "A prophetess is a woman who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration. a woman who foretells future events".
What is also the duty of a prophetess?
"Their primary role was to make known the Word of God, and this often involved calling people back to obedience to God. They denounced injustice, idolatry, and empty rituals".
To this end there are about seven known prophetesses in the bible. You can Google search for it. It is only althodox doctrine that forbids women teaching, not biblical because the bible is specific.

Barrister026:

this is pointless, no points at all
it's Better for you to keep quiet and let other people answer.
noe be small quarrel we settling in the church since.

You are a real zombie, keep dwelling in your pointless family business you call church.
He gave you a classical answer and even Bible references, and you have the shame to bark .
Keep separating fights that will never end, may you and your wife should go and open your own church. Remember to register it with CAC, with your wife and children as partners.
Mumu

IfnobeGod20:

Stop this your archaic doctrine. God is not an author of confusion but you that doesn't understand the scriptures. The circumstances that informed the statement for women not to speak, is what you don't know. If you ask the bible scholar, you will be enlightened. The rift that happened within the church was what necessitated Paul to warn women to sober in the church not because he doesn't understand their teaching spirit.
Are you aware that there are prophetesses in the bible. The first prophetess in the Bible is Miriam. Read Exodus 15:20-21 "And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea". That was the old testament and many more. You may what to argue further but before you do that, let me quote another prophetess in the new testament. Luke 2:36-38 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem".
The bible specifically called them prophetesses but you may still want to argue blindly. Let me move further by telling you who prophetess is. "A prophetess is a woman who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration. a woman who foretells future events".
What is also the duty of a prophetess?
"Their primary role was to make known the Word of God, and this often involved calling people back to obedience to God. They denounced injustice, idolatry, and empty rituals".
To this end there are about seven known prophetesses in the bible. You can Google search for it. It is only althodox doctrine that forbids women teaching, not biblical because the bible is specific.

I love your introduction of the word "archaic" into this discussion. Now, let us know who is archaic or who is more archaic between the two of us. I did not say in my comment that women should not talk in churches. The question you should ask yourself is, is every pastor a prophet, or is every prophet a pastor? Another question you should ask yourself is, how many prophetic statements in the Bible were made inside a church? When you answer these questions, you will realize how archaic you sounded in this your response to my comment. Women can be prophetesses. Being a prophet or prophetess is different from pastoring a church. Pastoring means being in charge of the church. A pastor can even tell a member that is not a pastor to preach sermons or conduct prayers during some days of worship. Being a prophet or prophetess means hearing God's voice or seeing visions about what is hidden from average people, and announcing the voice or vision to the people. Most of the prophetic statements in the Bible were not made during congregational (church) gatherings.

Man will always be the head, no matter his age to the woman, woman never lead even in the bible. Afterall... They said man was created first.
And na man dey marry woman.
Pastor's wife is just a title, first lady no be president or vice president. Na pastor make him wife pastor Mrs, woman wey no get or never marry husband no fit get pastoral stuff easily.
Junior pastor can lead an entire church if pastor die or travel.

immortalcrown:

Kindly show me where I accused you of typing the "bolded" word. Do not change the topic unnecessarily.

The word in bold is "submission" (submissive).
You said the verse 34 is about speaking in tongues. You further said I carved out the verse 34 to suit myself. You also said I skipped verse 35.

I told you that verse 34 contains the word submission (submissive). I then asked you to explain both the word submission (submissive) and (the skipped) verse 35 to prove your claim about me.

Bros you na lawyer? You dey give you guy back to back with quotes of his own words, even the one him don forget say him talk. Ayam enjoying this

Barrister026:
Pastors wife wants the junior pastor to be reporting to her if her husband is not around or any issue at all during church service.

She try as much to be in charge when her husband is off in another Church to minister.

This nearly caused a problem in the church today, while I was going home surprisingly a friend of mine supported the pastor's wife.. that she's the first lady of the church of God if her husband is not around.
she can represent him anytime to coordinate like most churches

What's your take on this issue is it right?

Yes, she is the first Lady.

dalass:


In the bible, the israelites also complained about Moses Aaron, Prophetess Miriam and Hur. All siblings... Turning things to family business. Go and read about God's response to them

The Israelites were not complaining of family business

If the junior pastor is not doing the right thing, the senior Pastor's wife will not stand and watch things go south .

Maybe the Junior Pastor is also overzealous. In a setting the junior pastor gives respect due to her, not sure power tussle would arise.

Like someone also said, it depends on the church doctrine. In most churches, if the wife is not a Pastor the junior pastor is in charge but that does not mean he should start controlling the senior Pastor's wife. Maturity is expected from him here.

Barrister026:
Pastors wife wants the junior pastor to be reporting to her if her husband is not around or any issue at all during church service.

She try as much to be in charge when her husband is off in another Church to minister.

This nearly caused a problem in the church today, while I was going home surprisingly a friend of mine supported the pastor's wife.. that she's the first lady of the church of God if her husband is not around.
she can represent him anytime to coordinate like most churches

What's your take on this issue is it right?

Stop attending one man church una no go hear!

immortalcrown:

I love your introduction of the word "archaic" into this discussion. Now, let us know who is archaic or who is more archaic between the two of us. I did not say in my comment that women should not talk in churches. The question you should ask yourself is, is every pastor a prophet, or is every prophet a pastor? Another question you should ask yourself is, how many prophetic statements in the Bible were made inside a church? When you answer these questions, you will realize how archaic you sounded in this your response to my comment. Women can be prophetesses. Being a prophet or prophetess is different from pastoring a church. Pastoring means being in charge of the church. A pastor can even tell a member that is not a pastor to preach sermons or conduct prayers during some days of worship. Being a prophet or prophetess means hearing God's voice or seeing visions about what is hidden from average people, and announcing the voice or vision to the people. Most of the prophetic statements in the Bible were not made during congregational (church) gatherings.

This is where you're missing it. Your mindset only believed, those called pastors are the only one permitted to minister at the pulpits. But I want to tell you that you're wrong. The word pastor is just a nomenclature, just as having a Pastor, Rev, Father, Apostle, same thing with Prophetess. All these nomenclatures are specifically captured in the Bible but before I move forward, let me take you back to the same Luke 2: 36-38. In V38 the bible says:
"And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem".
It was stated that Prophetess Anna departed not from the temple but serving God in fasting, prayer day and night and also speaking to those that need salvation in Jerusalem. If you study the Bible very well, you will know that was the doctrine for all apostles to be ministering to the lost souls, that was the specific assignment. Same with our Lord Jesus Christ. Unlike now that gospel is preached to both saints and sinners.
I repeat again, the bible is complete and never create any room for confusion, it is we that are confusing. If a church decides to follow a certain pattern that should not be generalized or be termed as deviation based in context and not in content.

Barrister026:
Pastors wife wants the junior pastor to be reporting to her if her husband is not around or any issue at all during church service.

She try as much to be in charge when her husband is off in another Church to minister.

This nearly caused a problem in the church today, while I was going home surprisingly a friend of mine supported the pastor's wife.. that she's the first lady of the church of God if her husband is not around.
she can represent him anytime to coordinate like most churches

What's your take on this issue is it right?

If there love amongst Christians and the church/pastors are not greedy and overly ambitious I don’t see the big deal in reporting to the pastors wife. Shouldn’t u have same respect u give the pastor accorded to his wife unless there are obvious reasons not to??

Junior pastor already showing criminal and greed tendencies. Davido didn’t fight Saul to become king even though he was already anointed by Samuel as king.

Bt look a junior pastor pretending and trying to turn against his pastors wife. Smh

Barrister026:
Pastors wife wants the junior pastor to be reporting to her if her husband is not around or any issue at all during church service.

She try as much to be in charge when her husband is off in another Church to minister.

This nearly caused a problem in the church today, while I was going home surprisingly a friend of mine supported the pastor's wife.. that she's the first lady of the church of God if her husband is not around.
she can represent him anytime to coordinate like most churches

What's your take on this issue is it right?

Not church your business center remove the word church

immortalcrown:
Different pentecostal churches have different doctrines and most of the pentecostal churches survive on wrong interpretations of the Bible. Therefore, your question is unnecessary and has no answer. If your question is about the Catholic, Catholic doctrines can be followed to answer the question.

Logically, a pastor's wife is not a pastor. She should be respected but any treatment or task that is specifically for pastors should not be given to her. The wife of a medical doctor can have knowledge of the husband's work but it does not make her a medical doctor. The wife of a lawyer is not a lawyer just because she knows most of her husband's legal activities.

Biblically, one may ask what if the pastor's wife is also a pastor. To answer that question, does the Bible permit women to be pastors? (1 Corinthians 14:34) is even a new testament passage. Do you now understand why I said many pentecostal churches survive on biblical deviations? Catholic doctrines do not permit women ( even Reverend sisters) to lead the church. A catholic parish will not even let the parish priest miss the Holy Mass when there is no male catechist or another priest to stand in for the parish priest.

Catholics have their own set of questionable doctrines based on total deviations from the Bible mind u??

As for women being pastors u need back that up more accurately because there was a Jewish mundane tradition in place that doesn’t allow women do certain things at the time.

Megabig:
It’s a business venture, always report to the assistant manager or next in line ie the junior pastor.

Don’t u know it’s mummy g.o that approved junior pastors employment letter? She also pays his salary.

Mrbenny001:
Wow..oga o... You said someone was even supporting the pastor's wife... The wife can only take charge if has been made as co- CEO/ Director or officially assistant to the husband...if not by default the assistant pastor is the next oga after pastor, if the president or chairman of country or organization is going to be off..does the wife takes charge or the vice? Certainly its the vice, unless it's has been officially designated otherwise

Not when the wife works in her husband’s company bruh. The wife takes charge.

simplesearch:
If the goal of the church is heaven, then whoever takes charge in the absence of the senior pastor doesn't matter at all.

None of your church businesses are headed in the direction of God's Heaven - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13. Maybe the heaven of the pastor's and mogs that own then, but not God's own Heaven.

dalass:
In the bible, the israelites also complained about Moses Aaron, Prophetess Miriam and Hur. All siblings... Turning things to family business. Go and read about God's response to them

No, they were not! You were definitely reading the wrong book.

To help you, even Moses's own Son was not included among the sons of Israel....that is how far from your claim that setting was at the time in question.

As for Aaron, his two boys were struck down by God for trying to do things there way on day one.

You folks need to actually read that book for yourselves so you learn fact from bullsheet..

ziondaughter247:
This is the reason why I'm weary of Pentecostal churches.. What does first lady mean Is that even biblical?
These churches are just glorified business centres and nothing more... Nonsense

Even your Pastors and mogs aren't of scripture - Ezekiel 34 vs 1-16 & John 10 vs 1 - 12 - so also your church attendance of no real worth- Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

marsup:
What concerns the pastor's wife with pastoral duties? By their fruits you shall know them.

What fruits? What in the world are you rambling on about fruits?,

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