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Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Nobody: 6:08pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
190 is a fine boy. Saw one of his pics,"2008, that year i bin dey try Small |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by 190: 6:10pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
sexkillz: Bro who are u seriously 2Praise:[size=18pt] YES ROMEO AND JUILET PRATICED WHITE MAN'S KIND OF LOVE BUT JACK AND ROSE PRATICED NIGERIAN KIND OF LOVE BUT NO WOMAN WOULD TRY THAT WITH ME COS SHE WOULD BE THE ONE HOLDING THE BOARD FOR ME TO STAY ON [/size] |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by 190: 6:11pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
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Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by 2Praise: 6:19pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
Love knows colour? Whts the diffrence white and black love!! |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Cuddlemii: 6:20pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
I don't do no Romeo & Juliet, Jack & Rose, Bonnie & Clyde. I wrote my own romance Cuddlemii & O.O (Nland baby love) |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Nobody: 6:47pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
White Love is Reciprocal, Black love is one sided . . . That's a no brainer |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by MissyB3(f): 6:48pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
claremont:What has the golden rule to so with this?! Morality demands so much from us, how many of us actually act morally when it doesn't suit us? We are supposed to act in accordance to the golden rule - Treat others as you wish to be treated- but we are not, in a sense, compelled to, so most times, we tend not to. But, when that emotion called love occurs, you voluntarily do more than the golden rule, strip yourself of your selfish nature, put that person first before even yourself NOT because you want to act in accordance to the golden rule or any moral principle but because it pleases you to; all you want to do is please that person even if it means displeasing yourself, you personally certify yourself a 'FOOL/MUGU' for that person and you're happy about it. Nothing else matters. This is very different from doing something because you're expected to do it. Pay me for the lecture. It is ethical that I give that blind man at the next bustop alms, the starving child bread, the unclothed man clothes, the stranded girl a ride, visit the sick child at the hospital but I don't . . Meanwhile, out of the little I have, I VOLUNTARILY buy gifts for my mum even when they are the last things she needs, drive 960 km just to see her even when I have important things to do, deprive myself of certain pleasures just to make her happy. Do you actually think I do all that for my mum because I want to obey the golden rule? Couldn't Jack have put another woman instead of Rose on top of the floating door so he and Rose could be in the cold water? It would have been morally correct, no? Couldn't the woman who donated her womb to her daughter have donated it to some other young girl in dire need of it? It would have been morally corrrect, no? Point is - There are some things you do to/for people not because you're expected or compelled to do them but because you desire to, it makes you happy to do these things and, from personal experience, only when that emotion called love occurs, one does these things. PS: Need I add that not all of us are adherents of the golden rule, some of us believe more in the platinum rule ; treat others as they wish to be treated. |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by 2Praise: 7:06pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
@sexkillz As if love is a human being with brains and colour!! if u meant environment you 'may' hv a point.but colour na! ur black arent u? what is the colour of ur love? |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by claremont(m): 7:29pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
naijababe: You believe and you know it exists, right?! Of course, I do recognize that there are people who believe in the existence of love, the same way they believe in the existence of a God, but alas, that does not mean they exist. Your belief and knowledge that love exists is based on your own moral conviction that a concept called love must exist, it is not backed by any form of proof or evidence whatsoever. I must give you credence in your position on the relationship between "love" and endorphins. I have read the paper you were quoting, and I must say you totally misquoted the findings of that paper. That paper which you have tried to use to back up your argument investigated the role of endorphins when animals have orgasms, and concluded that the feeling of well-being animals receive after orgasm is as a result of the release of endorphins. Many people have wrongly called that the endorphins theory of love, they couldn't be more wrong, it is the endorphins theory of sex NOT love. You just go on and on providing analogies, yet you have not answered the central question of this thread which is to provide an objective definition of love. If it lacks an objective definition, that means it has never been proven, if it has never been proven, that means it doesn't exist. |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Nobody: 7:44pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
claremont: Again, another false assumption. You read a paper and came to some crazy conclusion and worse and assumed that I read the same paper. Why don't you provide the link so others can form their own conclusions. Here is a link for you, I hope the Economist is a credible enough link http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc/love-science.html Another link of a leading researcher of love http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Fisher_(anthropologist) |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by claremont(m): 8:08pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
naijababe:First of all, you and I know that the links you provided are not credible. Any drunk can write a paper and get it published in The Economist, and in Wikipedia, it doesn't prove anything. Let us assume for the sake of argument that the Wikipedia link is credible, the author of that article clearly says that humanity has evolved three core brain systems for MATING and REPRODUCTION. She went further to term these systems LUST, ATTRACTION, and ATTACHMENT; the bottom line of what she posited is that lust is analogous to the love concept, which is the same position I have on this issue. Lust is often misconstrued as love simply because we are morally engineered to believe in the existence of love. |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by claremont(m): 8:14pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
Missy ★ B:That emotion called love, right?! The problem I have with this logic is how do we know when the emotion has occurred or is occurring? If we can't rationally define what love is and it's characteristics, then how do we know if it has occurred? It is a misnomer really; our actions are motivated by our quest for a social group, it is not "love, it is merely a basic human nature. |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Nobody: 8:18pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
claremont: Very convenient that you chose parts that suit your position whilst largely ignoring the following: Love can start off with any of these three feelings, Fisher maintains. Some people Be Intimate with someone new and then fall in love. Some fall in love first, then Be Intimate. Some feel a deep feeling of attachment to another, which then turns into romance and the sex drive. But the sex drive evolved to initiate mating with a range of partners; romantic love evolved to focus one's mating energy on one partner at a time; and attachment evolved to enable us to form a pairbond and rear our young together as a team. I guess I'm mistaken in thinking that you are interested in a dialectic discourse rather than a debate. I'm done!!! Any 'drunk' can post on the bbc site too http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/love/ |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by ThiefOfHearts(f): 8:27pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
In India, arranged marriages is the norm, yet India has the lowest divorce rates worldwide, Go figure! Not that I'd expect you to understand, being ignorant and all. Ever occured to you that divorce is low because of fear? Do a google search on Chiman Rai His son married a black female outta love and the father hired a hitman for $100,000. The wife was stabbed multiple times. Their daughter is now being raised by the wife's family and the son is now married to an Indian woman like the father wanted from the beginning would you go against a family like that? Go and sit down please. |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by claremont(m): 8:32pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
naijababe:Take it or leave it, but "love" has no scientific rationale behind it. What science cannot explain rationally does not exist, the "Love delusion" is analogous to the "God delusion", both have passionate adherents who prefer to cling unto irrationality than produce logical evidence for their beliefs. |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by claremont(m): 8:40pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
ThiefOfHearts:So you mean that the low divorce rates in India is attributable to fear, right?! Do you have any evidence to back that up, or are you just ranting on the basis of an isolated case found on the Internet?! |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by claremont(m): 9:19pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
The Reason for this "Love" delusion: Almost from the moment of birth, we have been surrounded by "love" mythology.Every element of the popular culture assumes that love is real: television, movies, novels, poetry, soap operas, advertising, popular music of every kind, newspapers, magazine, & dating services. We grew up in a milieu of romantic love. Everywhere we turn, even though we seldom notice it, someone is making positive references to 'falling in love'. The Way Forward: We can abandon these cultural delusions and begin to establish our relationships based on real information about each other and genuine commitment toward each other. The wild, extravagant feeling of being head-over-heels in love is certainly an enjoyable delusion while that emotional 'high' lasts, but should we attempt to build relationships on fantasy feelings? I think not! |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Frazy(f): 9:25pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
Before you can grow up, you must fall in love three times. Once, you must fall in love with your bestfriend, ruining your friendship forever. This will teach you who your true friends are, and the fine line between friendship and more. Once you must fall in love with someone you believe is perfect. You will learn that no one is perfect, and that you should never be treated as anything less than you deserve. And once, you must fall in love with someone that is exactly like you. This will teach you about who you are, and who you want to be. And when you’re through with all that, you learn that the people who care about you the most are the ones that you hurt, and the ones that hurt you are the ones that needed you the most. But most of all, you learn that love is only a concept and is not something that can be defined |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by claremont(m): 9:36pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
Frazy:Exactly my point! Love is indeed a concept, and cannot be defined, therefore it is imaginary, a mirage only visible to it's adherents. |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by 2Praise: 9:38pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
@ fart smell and science You caused my laptop to crash!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Nobody: 9:43pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by 2Praise: 9:50pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
cool down! count to 10 breathe in and out cz am 'feeling your anger' thousands of miles away! |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Nobody: 9:54pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by african1(f): 9:58pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
^^^ Lol Are you okay! Take a deep breath alright! out with the bad in with the good. |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by 2Praise: 10:10pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
Heeyyy Stop messing my air with fart!!! drop it lolest! Why it smells? it isnt supposed to if u eat lots of veges.Junk food produces the worst gas!! proper derailer! |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Frazy(f): 10:16pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
Sexkillz, why are you taking NL too serious? Take deep breath and calm yourself down. |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by claremont(m): 10:17pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
Dunno what that "sexkills" bloke is on about . |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Frazy(f): 10:23pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
Sexkillz, i have 2 questions for you. Are you a moderator on Romance section? Then, how old are you? |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by 2Praise: 10:26pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
sexkillz Where's freedom of expression seriously if I were u I would skip this thread and stop making stopovers here. Leave it to those tht want to read and engage. I dnt agree wth him but hey it dont bother me one bit am just laughing here. Besides hes not making us sign anything to agree Haloooooooooo?? relax and visit the other threads! |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Dyt(f): 10:26pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
Dis dude s still on d imaginary stuff? We hrd u sir love doesnt exist we only mk it imagine build act ok? |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by MissyB3(f): 10:28pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
claremont:Simple! There are some physical/psychological manifestations. How do you tell when you're angry, afraid or happy? There are some physical/psychological. You'd be an . to believe there's an emotion as fear, joy and hate and not believe there's an emotion called love. Now the principal question is - is there an emotion called anger? claremont:Go through my posts again, you should be able to get a definition [though subjective] and characteristics. claremont:Dude, what's the argument now? semantics? Man named everything - tangible and abstract. Things exist irrespective of whether or not you name them or what name you attribute to them. That emotion 'love' exists irrespective of whether you want to call it love or ''basic human nature'' or >>>>> or """"" There's a state in which you feel weak, sleepy, lack energy and concentration is poor . . . someone named it tiredness. If I went to another planet where it's not called tiredness but XYZ, and displayed these symptoms, 1) I'd still feel the same way I felt in planet A where it's called tiredness 2) People in planet B would still understood that I'm XYZ Use any device such as MRI OR EEGs to test my physical and mental responses to the question of whether or not I feel weak, sleepy, lack energy and concentration, I'd respond in a manner consistent to human expression of tiredness/XYZ. Same goes for love. . . .What you call it, does not change the fact that it is what it is. Love is an emotion and like every other emotion, it isn't corporeal so I can't prove its existence to you with the use of a scientific instrument. I can only give you an argument/explanation but I can't give you understanding. . . I doubt my ability to convince you, too. |
Re: "love" Does Not Exist, Let's Stop This Delusion! by Frazy(f): 10:33pm On Jul 10, 2011 |
2Praise: Exactly! Sexkillz acting like the dude is holding a gun to his head to make him agree that Love does not Exist. |
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