coogar:

another "get stuck in" kinda game.

ruudie would love this.
clean sheet - the moment cleverley went off - we fell apart again in the midfield.

I am sure he will.

Atleast we had a small excuse for getting destroyed at home. Chelsea's is 11 v 11

Wasn't fun to watch but I'd take the 3 points.
I told coogar Fergie would stick by Evans . . . smh

@coogar,
Do you still fancy Chelsea for the title,judging from the defensive debacle at SB today?
I still take City over them

Smalling has a toe fracture so is out for a month.

Of course SAF would stick to Evans. . . . .IMHO he is still a bit more acceptable than Rio "Tweeter" Ferdinand - wonder why they haven't offered him part-time employment there sef

coogar:

another "get stuck in" kinda game.

ruudie would love this.
clean sheet - the moment cleverley went off - we fell apart again in the midfield.

Yup, loved every second of it. . . . . .maybe its actually better that we ALWAYS play like the CRAZY DONS of old to get the results before start getting carried away and begin to believe we can beat FCB 1 on 1

montelik:


"pure shyte" really . Okay I understand you're hating on him cos he is blocking your beloved Berba route to starting eleven.

What visible good has Welbeck brought to that team!!!?

RuuDie:

What visible good has Welbeck brought to that team!!!?

Stop hating abeg . . . the boy is doing very well
What did Berba do when he came on? Apart from losing the ball with his nonchalant attitude.
Berba should sit his slow behind on the bench until further notice.

chamotex:

Wasn't fun to watch but I'd take the 3 points.
I told coogar Fergie would stick by Evans . . . smh

helping his confidence i think - evans is running on his last life.

StarBoard:

@coogar,
Do you still fancy Chelsea for the title,judging from the defensive debacle at SB today?
I still take City over them

we lost 1-6 at home last weekend.
do you still fancy us for the title?

chelsea were utterly tired today.
the slugfest with everton didn't help matters during the week. they played 120 mins.
little wonder everton lost at home and chelsea also lost at home.

coogar:

we lost 1-6 at home last weekend.
do you still fancy us for the title?

chelsea were utterly tired today.
the slugfest with everton didn't help matters during the week. they played 120 mins.
little wonder everton lost at home and chelsea also lost at home.

Crappy excuse.
Like we are supposed to care.
Their defending was woeful,tired or not. They entered the carling cup and used a vast majority of their first team side.Whose fault is it they couldn't kill off a game in 90 minutes while playing with an extra man?
United lost 1-6 because we were a man down according to you.Chelsea had 11 men and stll shipped in 5 horrendously weak goals against a dodgy Arsenal side who hadn't won away in the EPL all season.
Tremendous worlds apart

StarBoard:

Crappy excuse.
Like we are supposed to care.
Their defending was woeful,tired or not. They entered  the carling cup and used a vast majority of their first team side.Whose fault is it they couldn't kill off a game in 90 minutes while playing with an extra man?

they played a premier league side in that competition not aldershot. . . . and they played on wednesday and they played in the early kickoff at 12.45pm. they were knackered.

United lost 1-6 because we were a man down according to you.Chelsea had 11 men and stll shipped in 5 horrendously weak goals against a dodgy Arsenal side who hadn't won away in the EPL all season.
Tremendous worlds apart

so because of that chelsea aren't a title contender? after just 10 league games?
you make me laugh. . . . .

Emperoh:

^^^^
still not a good excuse IMO.
I won't conclude on them until after december.

i won't conclude on any of the top teams until march at least.
this is the premier league not serie a. yes, city are motoring on but how many big teams have they played in their 10 league games?
some perspective please!!

Emperoh:


During the days of Mourinho, Chelsea scoring first means it will be as hard as cement to win such a game.
But they looked a tad vulnerable and really flimsy at best. . . the defense was shyte.
Was tiredness making Cech concede nasty goals? All the five goals bar one were ball he could stop.
See the space for RVPs fourth goal!!

they were tired - just like everton!

nothing serious to deduce from the game apart from the fact that chelsea lost 3 points and arsenal won 3 points.
if they play the same match again, chelsea might win. it was at best end to end. arsenal were vulnerable as well but chelsea failed to take their chances. chelsea actually had more shots on target than arsenal but scored less.

^^ How many Chelsea players that started today made the XI against Everton? I count one!!!

u dey mind coogar, his brain is in his arse.

do u even bother to check the things u write? was this the same 11 that chelsea played in the carling cup? besides since when did playing midweek become an excuse to get tonked by the worst arsenal side in living memory?

they shipped 5 against a side that had not won away in the league since last season, lost against a side with a baby giraffe Cb playing RB, a tall ponderous elephant in CB and a overweight left winger disguising as a LB.

a top 4 side that knows its gonna play midweek games all season? mcheew, guy stick to yarning dust about anderson joor

coogar:

i won't conclude on any of the top teams until march at least.
this is the premier league not serie a. yes, city are motoring on but how many big teams have they played in their 10 league games?
some perspective please!!

they were tired - just like everton!

nothing serious to deduce from the game apart from the fact that chelsea lost 3 points and arsenal won 3 points.
if they play the same match again, chelsea might win. it was at best end to end. arsenal were vulnerable as well but chelsea failed to take their chances. chelsea actually had more shots on target than arsenal but scored less.

Everton were tired  
Ol' boy go rewatch the match again

Chelsea lost because they didn't take their chances earlier on, played a rubbish high defensive line and they didn't try to do what they usually did to Arsenal sides in the past- outmuscle them!
Sturridge clearly should have been taken off from like 15mins. . . . . .all in all, on accounts of the second half performance, arsenla deserved a win but 5 goals flatters them somehow - hope they don't get it into their heads that they've fully turned the corner for good!

chamotex:

Stop hating abeg . . . the boy is doing very well
What did Berba do when he came on? Apart from losing the ball with his nonchalant attitude.
Berba should sit his slow behind on the bench until further notice.

Doing which well!!? Abegi

This is not Sunderland, this is MAN UTD and every team that plays MAN UTD ups their game way above the average; so if you are wearing the MAN UTD shirt you have to play very well to make an impact and get noticed. . . . .not in Sunderland where a mediocre performance against a another team that isn't even taking them seriously will get you rave reviews all week.
Little wonder The Lions suffer - when players like Welbeck, Sturridge, Henderson, Caroll get hyped beyond their abilities. . . . I jus dey pray make Cleverly be the real deal, if not na die we dey so!

Berbatov played at midweek. . , and played well too, he only had about twenty minutes in this game - in all, he's probably not played up to half a match this season and you are asking what did he do since he came on. . . .? What did Welbeck do in seventy-seven odd minutes he was on

@ Ruudie you are just beefing d boy. What concerns Henderson, Sturridge or Carroll to Welbeck, if some England supporters are over-rating him and others that has nothing to do with his actual performances for United. D boy is doing well, it doesn't matter how poor you believe he is personally. On d pitch he is doing okay, 5 goals and 2 assists in all competitions and he is "pure shyte", Chica who has played a similar amount of minutes has 4 goals and 1 assist so I guess he rubbish also. If you think he won't eventually come good at O.T, that is a different matter entirely and open to discussion. But to say he is "pure shyte" and contributing nothing or bringing "no visible good" is just beef. Did you not see involvement in d build-up to d first goal, releasing Evra, or his strong run leading to a chance for Hernandez.

As for Berba, this is difference btwn d 2 of them for now. United are struggling at home to Norwich and Welbeck come on to grab d second goal in d few minutes he has on d pitch, Berba meanwhile struggles to make an impact when he comes on. Welbeck has a frustating game playing upfront alone at Anfield but manges to grab an assist and a point by d end of d game, Berba struggles to do anythng of note for 90 mins against Stoke. Why would any manager not go with d more in form player regardless of what their respective abilities might be. Isn't that how Hernandez dislodged Berba from d starting eleven at d back end of last season and how Fabio took right back from Rafael who was d better right back at d time.

Dr. Conga,
You make me laugh.Unfortunately you should know better than some things you drop in here.
Ritchboy and I don't see eye-to-eye but he has punctured your argument with that question.
If Chelsea are going to be clinging to the "tired from midweek" alibi to give us the horror show from yesterday,then they shouldn't be listed as contenders.The top sides know they are going to be playing midweek games most of the season if they want to win something,but you fail with honors to realize that when you post just because you want to justify your position.
You told us United were tonked because they played 45 mins a man down.Now Chelsea lost because they were tired and it's only October end.Isnt that tired excuse looking out of place even if their entire 11 played at midweek?
Abeg your excuse is half-assed.It's as "tired" as itself.

@montelik,
Welbeck na just gra-gra.
I know he was played out of position but forget that,the guy isn't up to par with what is obtainable at United.
Question for you.Would you trust him to lead our attack if for some reason other strikers are not available and he has to pair up with say Owen?
A few goals here and there so far but the guy is largely woeful.
I think it's time to play Diouf.

If fans were this way in 90s, Beckham would never have come back from loan at Preston, Gary Neville would have been bashed endlessly, Scholes would have been written off, amongst several of our other youngsters. None of these guys looked like world beaters when they first came into d team. For all of them you could easily have pointed to players of a similar age at other clubs who were much better. But we kept them, gave them a chance and developed them. Also d fans didn't immediately expect them to be prodigies. There are only a handful of great players in history who already look world beaters at d ages 21-22 while playing at d highest level. In hindsight it may seem like they were certainties, but at d time they weren't.


I am not proclaiming him a future star or even a future successful striker at O.T. But he has taken his chance and done well. You all know that is d truth. What more would you want from him he has scored goals and created opportunities when he has played. His form has been no worse than d team on a whole. Yet he is woeful, pure shyte. Whether you think he will ultimately amount to nothing, doesn't concern me. What I do know is that he does have some talent and is at present grabbing his opportunity with both hands. I won't bite at his ankles over a future that can't be predicted. Besides if he is destined to be shyte or not United standard, he will show it eventually as did d likes of Richardson, Bardsley, Simpson, Gibson and numerous others. But then he might turn out like O'Shea, Fletcher, Neville or even better Scholes and Giggs. Why not just be patient enough to find out, and meanwhile support him to develop.

@montelik,
Those names you wrote are bigger than Welbeck will probably ever be.
Those guys left no one in doubt when they were included into the first team 95/96.They were an integral part of the side that won the league title after Alan Hansen had written thenm off.

Welbeck doesn't have anything that he does particularly well.
Beckham was a dead ball specialist and could cross the heck out of a ball.Scholes bossed midfields with Zidane on the opposite side,Gary, was the best Right back England has has in O'shea could be effective in any position he played in from the back four to holding midfielder.
Fletcher was our key man 2008/09.
Giggs won us games in the past with mazy runs.
What does Welbeck do that we can sayis worthy for him to merit a starting position in Unied's attack?And can he be trusted to lead United's forward line?

montelik:

@ Ruudie you are just beefing d boy. What concerns Henderson, Sturridge or Carroll to Welbeck, if some England supporters are over-rating him and others that has nothing to do with his actual performances for United. D boy is doing well, it doesn't matter how poor you believe he is personally. On d pitch he is doing okay, 5 goals and 2 assists in all competitions and he is "pure shyte", Chica who has played a similar amount of minutes has 4 goals and 1 assist so I guess he rubbish also. If you think he won't eventually come good at O.T, that is a different matter entirely and open to discussion. But to say he is "pure shyte" and contributing nothing or bringing "no visible good" is just beef. Did you not see involvement in d build-up to d first goal, releasing Evra, or his strong run leading to a chance for Hernandez.

As for Berba, this is difference btwn d 2 of them for now. United are struggling at home to Norwich and Welbeck come on to grab d second goal in d few minutes he has on d pitch, Berba meanwhile struggles to make an impact when he comes on. Welbeck has a frustating game playing upfront alone at Anfield but manges to grab an assist and a point by d end of d game, Berba struggles to do anythng of note for 90 mins against Stoke. Why would any manager not go with d more in form player regardless of what their respective abilities might be. Isn't that how Hernandez dislodged Berba from d starting eleven at d back end of last season and how Fabio took right back from Rafael who was d better right back at d time.

For most of last season, without Rooney this same Berbatov delivered the goods, so much so he was joint top scorer in the ligue. . . . from what you have seen of Danny-boy in UTD colors - can you say he has the potential of emulating that if for some reason all the other strikers are found wanting.
Yeah right!
"manages to grab an assist". . . . . he manages to flick the ball in the general direction of the L'pool goal from a corner, now you are making it sound like a Xavi Hernandez defence splitter - abegi!
"comes in and grabs the second goal". . . . . .a goal even Emile Heskey tying wrapper on one foot would score

The difference between Berba and the rest of the UTD strikers. . . . .Rooney has a proper strike partner whom he fully understands; not some daft buffoon who seems to think he is TH14 incarnate.

montelik:

I am not proclaiming him a future star or even a future successful striker at O.T. But he has taken his chance and done well. You all know that is d truth. What more would you want from him he has scored goals and created opportunities when he has played. His form has been no worse than d team on a whole. Yet he is woeful, pure shyte. Whether you think he will ultimately amount to nothing, doesn't concern me. What I do know is that he does have some talent and is at present grabbing his opportunity with both hands. I won't bite at his ankles over a future that can't be predicted. Besides if he is destined to be shyte or not United standard, he will show it eventually as did d likes of Richardson, Bardsley, Simpson, Gibson and numerous others. But then he might turn out like O'Shea, Fletcher, Neville or even better Scholes and Giggs. Why not just be patient enough to find out, and meanwhile support him to develop.

If he was so darn all that, then you would and should be proclaiming a future star / successful O.T striker to all the high heavens. . . . . . .but he is not, thats why you can't!
Taken his chance and done well my butt-crack. . . . . maybe at Sunderland but not here, not now!

RuuDie:

Doing which well!!? Abegi

This is not Sunderland, this is MAN UTD and every team that plays MAN UTD ups their game way above the average; so if you are wearing the MAN UTD shirt you have to play very well to make an impact and get noticed. . . . .not in Sunderland where a mediocre performance against a another team that isn't even taking them seriously will get you rave reviews all week.
Little wonder The Lions suffer - when players like Welbeck, Sturridge, Henderson, Caroll get hyped beyond their abilities. . . . I jus dey pray make Cleverly be the real deal, if not na die we dey so!

Berbatov played at midweek. . , and played well too, he only had about twenty minutes in this game - in all, he's probably not played up to half a match this season and you are asking what did he do since he came on. . . .? What did Welbeck do in seventy-seven odd minutes he was on

Welbeck is not doing well? Okay, tell me what he should have done to claim the tag of 'doing well' then? Maybe a brace every other game.
So we should sell Welbeck off then.
Berbatov is like 30 years old now . . . About 10 years older than young Danny.
The way the boy has improved over the last couple of years is astounding.
Welbeck gives us the dynamism up front with the way our front 4 interchange.
Every one of them can swap round and we can still keep our shape.
He's played about 10 games this season and scored like 5 goals . . . how can that not be termed as 'doing well'?
Torres at the moment will DIE to have that kind of record.
Welbeck got his chance, took it and he deserves to be in that team. Berba should wait for his own chance too.
The only player you could argue to keep him out is Chicharito.
Berbatov ko . . . Babalawo ni. Its not even guaranteed he'll be getting a new contract.

Because this is Manchester United we should only have superstars in the team?
Berbatov played well at midweek against Aldershot. If he cant play well against a team like that then he should retire and hang up his boots.
Thank goodness you are not the manager of Manchester United, no young player will ever come through . . . na so so superstars you go dey buy

RuuDie:

If he was so darn all that, then you would and should be proclaiming a future star / successful O.T striker to all the high heavens. . . . . . .but he is not, thats why you can't!
Taken his chance and done well my butt-crack. . . . . maybe at Sunderland but not here, not now!

And why cant he be a future star?
I kinda think this is bordering on hatred or beef at the moment.
The guy collect your wife?

ritchboy:

^^ How many Chelsea players that started today made the XI against Everton? I count one!!!

it's not about starting. . . . .it's about travelling, you geriatric philistine!
they all travelled to merseyside. . . . .played 120 mins on wednesday night and they were the first to play apart from united. . .

besides that, chelsea played 10 men against 11 for most parts of the 2nd half and the extra time. . . .chelsea were spent!
do you people actually understand fatigue or you just stare at the tv like mongrels? christ!

4llerbuntu:

u dey mind coogar, his brain is in his arse.

you recto-cranially inverted peasant. . . .it's been confirmed you would die via [i]s[/i]tupidity!
your mental power and that of a slug is at par.

do u even bother to check the things u write?  was this the same 11 that chelsea played  in the carling cup?  besides since when did playing midweek become an excuse to get tonked by the worst arsenal side in living memory?

they played during the midweek late into wednesday with 10 men. . . .they played full 120 mins.

they shipped 5 against a side that had not won away in the league since last season, lost against a side with a baby giraffe Cb playing RB, a tall ponderous elephant in CB and a overweight left winger disguising as a LB.  

i am glad you know your club is packed with baby giraffes and ponderous elephants.
fans like yourself complete the package - the club of mental handicaps.  

a top 4 side that knows its gonna play midweek games all  season?  mcheew, guy stick to yarning dust about anderson joor

i give up!
just so you know - if you marry a tool like yourself, you shall produce simpletons.

StarBoard:

Dr. Conga,
You make me laugh.Unfortunately you should know better than some things you drop in here.
Ritchboy and I don't see eye-to-eye but he has punctured your argument with that question.

if you agree with what ritchboy said then you are weaker mentally than i originally thought. mind, i didn't give you much at first so you have sunk to the lower rung of the 3rd rate pundits in this habitat.

If Chelsea are going to be clinging to the "tired from midweek" alibi to give us the horror show from yesterday,then they shouldn't be listed as contenders.The top sides know they are going to be playing midweek games most of the season if they want to win something,but you fail with honors to realize that when you post just because you want to justify your position.

they played 10 men against everton's 11 for 1 hr late into wednesday night. they must have travelled by coach to the merseyside and back after the game(probably on thursday morning) and they played as early as 12pm on saturday. there's what you call fatigue. the others on the bench don't have to play to be fatigued. travelling on it's own is fatigue.

You told us United were tonked because they played 45 mins a man down.Now Chelsea lost because they were tired and it's only October end.Isnt that tired excuse looking out of place even if their entire 11 played at midweek?
Abeg your excuse is half-assed.It's as "tired" as itself.

if you think city xi could have beaten united xi 6-1 then i reiterate you and 4llerbuntu must be siamese twins cojoined by brain cavity!
what has city/united game gotta do with this? city led 1-0 before red card. score was 6-1 after the sending off and you still think 11 vs 10 wasn't culpable for the massive loss. as a united fan, you should be ashamed of your own footie intelligence. it's as wack as puke.

then you went on taking about chelsea. the same chelsea side played till past 10pm on wednesday night. slept at merseyside, coached back to london on thursday morning to start preparing for the arsenal game by saturday noon! what happened when united lost to bayern munich in 09/10?
played 10 men for 40 mins against the nazis on a wednesday night - faced chelsea at noon on saturday and lost! lost because they were laboured, leggy and mentally spent!

these are humans not machine.
chelsea were only good value for money in the first half.
in the 2nd half, they were not at the races at all. they showed no bite and hunger known to chelsea sides when looking for goals!
i have to conclude most nigerians watch football with their asses, not with their brains and sadly, you are one of them.

StarBoard:

@montelik,
Those names you wrote are bigger than Welbeck will probably ever be.
Those guys left no one in doubt when they were included into the first team 95/96.They were an integral part of the side that won the league title after Alan Hansen had written thenm off.

Welbeck doesn't have anything that he does particularly well.
Beckham was a dead ball specialist and could cross the heck out of a ball.Scholes bossed midfields with Zidane on the opposite side,Gary, was the best Right back England has has in O'shea could be effective in any position he played in from the back four to holding midfielder.
Fletcher was our key man 2008/09.
Giggs won us games in the past with mazy runs.
What does Welbeck do that we can sayis worthy for him to merit a starting position in Unied's attack?And can he be trusted to lead United's forward line?

C'mon guys . . .
Gary Neville was not the best right back in England at the age of 20/21
Scholes was never bossing the midfield at that age . . . he actually started as a supporting striker.

RuuDie:

Everton were tired  
Ol' boy go rewatch the match again

everton only huffed n puffed. they offered nothing meaningful in the first half.
pray tell - how many saves did de gea make throughout the match?

Chelsea lost because they didn't take their chances earlier on, played a rubbish high defensive line and they didn't try to do what they usually did to Arsenal sides in the past- outmuscle them!

in the first half - chelsea lost because they didn't take their chances.
but even then, chelsea don't give up - you can always expect them to crank up the pressure in the 2nd half when losing. i saw none of that yesterday. arsenal just picked them off and took them apart. those chelsea players were fatigued.

Sturridge clearly should have been taken off from like 15mins. . . . . .all in all, on accounts of the second half performance, arsenla deserved a win but 5 goals flatters them somehow - hope they don't get it into their heads that they've fully turned the corner for good!

i think the walcott goal, and the last two van r@pist goals were gifts from the chelsea defence. whether it was letting walcott slip, fall and then get up in front of 3 defenders to score or terry slipping and letting van r@pist clean through. . . it was just a poor defensive effort by chelsea

i don't think the last 3 goals that they conceded had anything to do with tactical ineptness - it was just fatigue!
walcott was surrounded by 3 players, slipped and got up somehow in front of all 3 then proceed to shoot near post against petr cech and beat him.

john terry incident was just a poor backpass compounded by terry's bad positioning then diving when he knew he couldn't get in a race issue with robin van persie - a fraction of the blame must also go to the rookie manager(villas-boas)! it is clear that he's still got a lot to learn as a manager.

firstly, he can be too attacking at times and he needs to learn when to apply the reins and get his side to hold back a bit. i think he played right into arsenal's hands. arsenal are a side who usually struggle when sides play ugly football and don't open up too much, however chelsea did the complete opposite of that.

if all sides played against arsenal like chelsea did last night, arsenal would have won loads of treble!
standard - chelsea's gameplan against arsenal the last few years has been something like "let them dominate possession, as long as we keep shape - we'll break and hit them on the counter"

while it was refreshing to see villas-boas adopting a different game-plan that must have suited neutral fans like myself, it was a tactical harakiri considering the fact that half of his team were knackered.

games at stamford bridge have been [b]tight affairs [/b]since the jose mourinho days, where the formula to beat arsenal was perfected - cede possession to arsenal and let them dominate whilst you hit them on a counter -

2004/05: chelsea 0-0 arsenal (20 apr 2005)
2005/06: chelsea 1-0 arsenal (21 aug 2005)
2006/07: chelsea 1-1 arsenal (10 dec 2006)
2007/08: chelsea 2-1 arsenal (23 mar 2008)
2008/09: chelsea 1-2 arsenal (30 nov 2008)
2009/10: chelsea 2-0 arsenal (7 feb 2010)
2010/11: chelsea 2-0 crsenal (3 oct 2010)

yesterday, it was chelsea that actually had more possession than arsenal. i dunno if villas-boas copied fergie's scripts by going gung-ho and expecting arsenal to lose 8-2 with his cavalier attitude and playing a high line in the defence. the fact remains it has never happened under wenger to be out-possessed by chelsea and villas boas must take the blame for that.

chamotex:

C'mon guys . . .
Gary Neville was not the best right back in England at the age of 20/21
Scholes was never bossing the midfield at that age . . . he actually started as a supporting striker.

so are you saying welbeck is better than berbatov?

i know fergie is doing his best to put welbeck on the plane to euro 2012 but fergie is a bit foolish doing that at the expense of berbatov and chicharito. we were so blunt against city when we had 11 men on the pitch. with city sitting deep to defend, welbeck lost the key to open them up - a feat berbatov would have achieved without breaking any sweat.

berbatov is miles better than welbeck in terms of retaining possession in the final third and linking up with team-mates. welbeck has a rather poor first touch, he doesn't score often and he's sometimes lost(walcott's syndrome) the moment he has possession of the ball.

yes, he's young with so much ahead of him but bedding him should be gradual. we have been ordinary in the attack often this season because of welbeck - cos he doesn't scare the opposition.

Is Chicharito better than Berbatov?
Is Rooney better than Berbatov?
I'm I better than Berbatov?

We can make comparisons all day long but that is not the point.
Welbeck has taken his chance, let him lose his place by his own doings.
Even Chicha is ahead of Berbatov at the moment. When he gets his chance he should take it.
We tend to play about 60 odd games every season so he will defo get it.

And what's with Fergie's business with England?
He doesn't give a hoot about the 3 Lions abeg

StarBoard:

@montelik,
Those names you wrote are bigger than Welbeck will probably ever be.
Those guys left no one in doubt when they were included into the first team 95/96.They were an integral part of the side that won the league title after Alan Hansen had written them off.

Welbeck doesn't have anything that he does particularly well.
Beckham was a dead ball specialist and could cross the heck out of a ball.Scholes bossed midfields with Zidane on the opposite side,Gary, was the best Right back England has has in O'shea could be effective in any position he played in from the back four to holding midfielder.
Fletcher was our key man 2008/09.
Giggs won us games in the past with mazy runs.
What does Welbeck do that we can sayis worthy for him to merit a starting position in Unied's attack?And can he be trusted to lead United's forward line?

Like I said hindsight is a wonderful thing when you have already seen d end. You are looking back through tinted glasses. First of course those names are bigger than Welbeck, he is just 20, almost all off those guys don retire or are tired. How can you compare d careers of pple who have been playing for decades to a guy who has only started. Second there was no certainty when these youngsters came through, in fact if you know your history d players most tips to succeed from fergie's fledglings were Phil Neville, Butt and Giggs as opposed to Gary, Becks or even Scholes whom many felt would not succeed in midfield but do well as striker. D season they came through they also didn't canter straight to d title. In fact they struggled in d beginning before a strong a run of form and a spectacular implosion by Newcastle and Keegan allowed them to clinch d title. They didn't look like world beaters early at all. They grew as they were given a chance to develop as d season went on. How about you give Welbeck d same privilege.

Fletcher became a 1st teamer by all right at d start of d 03/04 season. Yet it wasn't until around 07 he started really performing. Then he was 23/24. O'Shea came in starting eleven at d start of d 02/03 season by then he was 22. Welbeck is 20 soon to be 21. Why are you expecting him to look wonderful already. Honestly your type of attitude would have jettisoned CR7 2005, thrown out all d class of 92 except Butt, Giggs and Phil Neville, sold off Fletcher by 06.