1stCitizen:

1.Although your analogy is weak and out of context, the answer is YES, IF IT WILL SAVE A LIFE.

2[b].Again JESUS violated a law to DO GOOD. What is your take on that with regards to the Blood issue?[/b]

Yes You can choose to disobey your Doctor because he is not God and he can not restore life back to you. But a good christian and the epitome of a christian is he who can lose his life to obey his laws. Jesus said he who loses his life for my sake would gain it. So if we are absolutely sure it is God's law, we all pray God will Give us the strenght to stand up for the truth. And fo r your information not just on this matter, a lot of withnesses were imprisoned and killed in many countries even children, Germany, USA, France, Japan, Russia etc because they believe it is wrong to take part in war.
During the Biafran War, a lot of Withnesses were killed because they refuse to take up arms against fellow men, in Rwanda many of us were killed because we housed and harbor the other tribes been targetted and killed.
While many whites were discriminating against blacks in USA, Jehovah's withnesses risked ridicule, employment and death because they accepted evryone as equal before God.
There are many situations in which the withnesses readily risked and gave up their lives to obey God as ruler rather than men.

When Russia banned all Christian activities in the soviet Union, you guys should make a research and find out how many christian groups stood up, how many christian organizations refused to stop preaching and associating together, how many were imprisoned and killed. I would tell you that we stood up for our beliefs in the face of all onslaughts, while most other christain organiztions became dead or gave only a senblance of resistance. Even little children amongst us defended their faith with zeal and conviction. Some children whose parents were imprisoned and given to ideal russian families to be taught atheism still lived up to their christian beliefs.

If all these makes us murderers, then we have been tried in the court of fallen men and not God.

1stCitizen:

1.Although your analogy is weak and out of context, the answer is YES, IF IT WILL SAVE A LIFE.

2[b].Again JESUS violated a law to DO GOOD. What is your take on that with regards to the Blood issue?[/b]

Jesus did not violate any law, there was no law that says you can't heal on a sabbath. The Pharisees were just looking for any excuse to accuse Jesus. Every man in Israel would rescue their sheep if it falls into a pit on a sabbath and no pharisee or person would say it is a violation of the sabbath, so if they can do that on a sabbath, how on earth can they think that curing a man of his illness on a sabbath constitutes a violation of the sabbath. So Jesus did not violate a sabbath law by curing the sick man.
Please donn't talk about things you don't fully understand.

I dont just know. Pls someone should help me beg this Jehoval Witness's gal 2 leave me alone. After allowing me 2 waste 2yrs chasing her 2 no avail, she is now flashing and sending me call me back. What does she want i dont know. It seems she is enjoyed d chasing or maybe she want 2 accept now me after her JW brother had used and dumped her. She doesnt know that her time has passed. *long hiss*

Ekpoma1:

I dont just know. Pls someone should help me beg this Jehoval Witness's gal 2 leave me alone. After allowing me 2 waste 2yrs chasing her 2 no avail, she is now flashing and sending me call me back. What does she want i dont know. It seems she is enjoyed d chasing or maybe she want 2 accept now me after her JW brother had used and dumped her. She doesnt know that her time has passed. *long hiss*

U se lo gwa ni ebwa lu. Ma ten mo na kaka, ghe bu we ta. mtcheeeew.

rabzy:

U se lo gwa ni ebwa lu. Ma ten mo na kaka, ghe bu we ta. mtcheeeew.

Coward. Type what i can understand.

Ekpoma1:

Coward. Type what i can understand.

If you are ekpoma1, i assume you understand the languange and that is Ekpoma's esan and what i said is, you had better go and find something to do, while people are discussing important stuffs, you are saying thrash.

Ai ji me ru nu je e.

rabzy:

If you are ekpoma1, i assume you understand the languange and that is Ekpoma's esan and what i said is, you had better go and find something to do, while people are discussing important stuffs, you are saying thrash.

Ai ji me ru nu je e.

So what im saying is not important 2 u, rite? i know! I beta channel my energy relating with sensitive people rather JW's members who are insensitive. Im off.

Jesus did not violate any law, there was no law that says you can't heal on a sabbath. The Pharisees were just looking for any excuse to accuse Jesus. Every man in Israel would rescue their sheep if it falls into a pit on a sabbath and no pharisee or person would say it is a violation of the sabbath, so if they can do that on a sabbath, how on earth can they think that curing a man of his illness on a sabbath constitutes a violation of the sabbath. So Jesus did not violate a sabbath law by curing the sick man.
Please donn't talk about things you don't fully understand.

The arguments advanced from Jesus on this subject runs completely parallel with those made by you about the existence of the law. PLEASE DESIST FROM INTERPRETING THE BIBLE WITH THE CUNNING STUNTS OF A LAWYER.

Did Jesus at any point deny the existence of that law or rather give justification for his action? I am surprised that in spite of the JW's claims of being ardent students of the Bible they lack basic understanding of its teachings. I'm out of here!!!

Take time to study Jehovah's witnesses and allow them to preach to you before taking your decisions.

I have been dating this chic for like a month now, and I must confess that she's the best I've ever had. We are so compatible. And she's a walking example of my imaginations.

She told about it like 2 weeks ago but it sounded shallow. But last night when I asked her what was the greatest obstacle we had to overcome in order to get married, she said - RELIGION!

She said she was a Witness and that Witnesses don't marry outside. And that we shouldn't even think it cos it wont work. I have a lot to say but I cant even type it. I couldn't sleep last night. And am getting depressed right now.

I dont know what to do now cos I really, really, really love this chic. I really do need your advice. Can you guys help me?

If not that I have a higher calling and a vision I live for, I would have followed her to her church. But I just cant.

Can I get to convince or persuade her to join my RCCG church? Is it possible? Has it ever happened before?

Her whole family are Witnesses.

We are really in love with each other, though I think mine is deeper. But no one wants to let go of his or her beliefs to join the other person. If I switch, its as good as switching my destiny as well cos I need this pentecostal platform to fulfill my calling, and actualise my dream and visions.

Does anyone out there have any meaningful and workable advice for this dude, cos I would really, [b][/b]


My candid advice i understand you love her but she is right with you different beliefs,the marriage will never work. You can't change to her church,because you are the man and God has created you to lead and not to follow in Marriage,if you change church,then you have disobeyed God and clearly shown God that being in love with her is more important than loving Him and doing his will,and you will lose the support of God and eventually of cause like i'm sure you understand clearly without the support of God in your marriage,it will never work but will crash,so is it worth it?

Let me tell you my story maybe not similar,i was in Anglican church when i met my wife who was a Pentecostal,she desired so much that i join her church but she never voiced it out,but since she was convinced i was her husband she married me and joined me to my church.After 3 months in marriage,unknown to me that my wife was praying about the church issue (because she was a singer and couldn't fit in at my church),on my part i had promised God that my wife must be fulfilled in this marriage,so when i was praying i heard God ask me to go to her church and i announced on a sunday that we were going to her church,she was dunmbfounded to say the least but overjoyed,i haven't regretted since that day 3 years ago,please note no denomination is better than another but where God wants you to be is where you should be to rip His full blessings.

Speak with her and then ask that you both take a break to sort things out,take time and pray,it will amaze you what time and prayer will do for your mind and emotions and trust God,there is absolutely nothing impossible with Him,however stand your ground not to bulge on this issue.

we dont need to argue with any of them jw,they have a brainwashed schemes called doctrine,like what many have been saying,truly they have their own bible and about 273 words were modified to their own class of thought.Among them are:christ died on the tree and not on a cross,jesus died for his own sins and not for the whole world as assumed n confirmed in the bible,some of them will tell you jesus is lord some will tell you hes not,they believe there is nothin like rapture and that it meant for 144000 people and they are completed against what the bible says in the book of revelation;144000 people and many languages and nations , ,they also believe that God is not cruel how will he create hell for his beings,because jesus turned water to wine they are liable to drink any kind of drinks even alcohol.just to mention the least.Beware of the leaven of the PHARISEES.i dont blames most of them but richard t.rusell who started it in brooklyn in1926 after predicted the end of the world six consecutive times in 1912,1916,, 1926 and failed he later came out with an assumption that the world will not come to an end and started JEHOVAH WITNESS.

rabzy:

So if we are absolutely sure it is God's law, we all pray God will Give us the strenght to stand up for the truth.

That's the problem. I for one am not absolutely sure this is God's law. When courts interpret laws they try read the mind of the lawmaker. There is simply no reason to think the writers of the Bible had the use of blood to save lives in mind when they wrote what they did. Your church certainly isn't sure what God's law absolutely is on the matter, either, considering the way they keep changing their mind on it. When the Bible is not clear on something, particularly a life and death matter like this, should Christians speculate?

MyJoe:

That's the problem. I for one am not absolutely sure this is God's law. When courts interpret laws they try read the mind of the lawmaker. There is simply no reason to think the writers of the Bible had the use of blood to save lives in mind when they wrote what they did. Your church certainly isn't sure what God's law absolutely is on the matter, either, considering the way they keep changing their mind on it. When the Bible is not clear on something, particularly a life and death matter like this, should Christians speculate?

What is the mind of the lawmaker on this issue, The lawmaker has told us that Blood is sacred, he told our forefather Noah that he may eat flesh, but the blood was prohibited. Blood was equated with Life by the lawgiver and anyone violating it in ancient Israel was liable to death.
So if disobeying the law would incurs death, then do you think if it would be lawful to take it to possibly preserve life.
Saul's soldiers that were eating meat along with its blood because they were almost dieing of hunger and could not wait for the animals to be bled were not excused.
The real issue is that the Christian prohibition was to "abstain from blood" (Ac.15:20,29). It required a complete unqualified "abstention from blood" with no stated verb saying "Don't EAT" or "Don't DRINK," ''Don't transfuse''. They simply must "keep away" from it (Ac.21:25)
The ancient Romans used blood sausages in their meals, some tribes use blood to seal treaties and some people take the fresh blood of guilty criminals to cure their epilepsy, these were practices that Tertulian an early christian said was unlawful for Christians, Even on the pain of death.

Medical science has come up with different variants and sub-components of blood or blood derivatives that it was necessary to consider if it was lawful to take them or not and they have tried as much as possible to guide us thru using bible principles. And even a lot of these guidelines has been left to the conscience of each individual, as to based on their study of the scriptures does their conscience approve or judge them, this was based on the principle of conscience explained by paul when he was talking about whether it was lawful to eat meat sacrificed to idols or not.

On the issue of Blood transfusion the Bible is very clear on that, but on fractions and other components, that is where revisions have happened on further understanding of such fractions, and even a lot is left to each individuals conscience and no one is condemned about this.

@rabzy.you doing a good job in witnessinto nlenders via this mediuum.what i dont't understand is pple who argure without giving tot the points made. you kw,you can keep supporting your argurement/persuasion, rabzy, but many on here have been brainwashed by their suppose men of god that any point you make here will/wouldnt make sense to them. like i said in my ealier post,they can hate us all they want/can , but that wont change the fact that are the only oganization in the whole wide world that practise true xtianity.bring it on!! inthe words of nigerian musician mc, 'if nobody talk abt you ,then you are nobody'. enough said.

rabzy:

What is the mind of the lawmaker on this issue, The lawmaker has told us that Blood is sacred, he told our forefather Noah that he may eat flesh, but the blood was prohibited. Blood was equated with Life by the lawgiver and anyone violating it in ancient Israel was liable to death.
So if disobeying the law would incurs death, then do you think if it would be lawful to take it to possibly preserve life.
Saul's soldiers that were eating meat along with its blood because they were almost dieing of hunger and could not wait for the animals to be bled were not excused.
The real issue is that the Christian prohibition was to "abstain from blood" (Ac.15:20,29). It required a complete unqualified "abstention from blood" with no stated verb saying "Don't EAT" or "Don't DRINK," ''Don't transfuse''. They simply must "keep away" from it (Ac.21:25)
The ancient Romans used blood sausages in their meals, some tribes use blood to seal treaties and some people take the fresh blood of guilty criminals to cure their epilepsy, these were practices that Tertulian an early christian said was unlawful for Christians, Even on the pain of death.

Medical science has come up with different variants and sub-components of blood or blood derivatives that it was necessary to consider if it was lawful to take them or not and they have tried as much as possible to guide us thru using bible principles. And even a lot of these guidelines has been left to the conscience of each individual, as to based on their study of the scriptures does their conscience approve or judge them, this was based on the principle of conscience explained by paul when he was talking about whether it was lawful to eat meat sacrificed to idols or not.

On the issue of Blood transfusion the Bible is very clear on that, but on fractions and other components, that is where revisions have happened on further understanding of such fractions, and even a lot is left to each individuals conscience and no one is condemned about this.

rabzy:

What is the mind of the lawmaker on this issue, The lawmaker has told us that Blood is sacred,

Has he? But you accept blood parts. You see why I feel so unsure of things?

rabzy:
So if disobeying the law would incurs death, then do you think if it would be lawful to take it to possibly preserve life.

Yes. Certain things that were normally not allowed were allowed for the purpose of saving lives.

rabzy:
Saul's soldiers that were eating meat along with its blood because they were almost dieing of hunger and could not wait for the animals to be bled were not excused.

Actually they were -it seems your knowledge of The Good Book is rusty. Please bring out your Bible and read 1 Samuel 14 and refresh your memory that the prescribed punishment of death penalty was not visited upon a single soldier.

rabzy:
The real issue is that the Christian prohibition was to "abstain from blood" (Ac.15:20,29). It required a complete unqualified "abstention from blood" with no stated verb saying "Don't EAT" or "Don't DRINK," ''Don't transfuse''. They simply must "keep away" from it (Ac.21:25)

The Apostles in Acts 15 were not making any new laws. They were reiterating existing laws – do not eat the blood of animals. You can see that from the context of the chapter.

This blood transfusion matter is very complex and I am honestly not up to the task of going into its intricate branches right now. I will just like to say that I have examined this matter and found a lot of contradictions in your stance.

- You reject autotransfusion (re-transfusion of own blood) but accept haemophiliac preparations made from stored blood
- You accept that blood is an organ of the body but reject blood transfusion while accepting organ transplant
- You reject the four major components of blood but accept all fractions of each. You accept haemophiliac preparations as well. These are from stored donated blood but you are forbidden to donate blood.
- You once forbad all things blood. Then you changed to say blood parts were acceptable. This was later changed to the original position. Then changed again. And then again. I hope that will help you to understand why I personally cannot take your interpretation of the Bible in this matter very seriously.

You speak of Tertulian and all. Perhaps you are unaware that some form of blood transfusion existed long before the birth of Jesus Christ on earth. The Egyptians had this practice of giving the blood of an old person to a younger person in the belief it would make them younger. Similar practices existed elsewhere. Don’t you think the Bible would have mentioned it if it had anything in mind other than the eating of animal blood in Acts 15? If this was an important matter to Christians how come it is not spoken of in a sustained manner by the apostles (and the great Paul!) the way such things as fornication and idolatry are spoken of?

And considering the chances of getting infection from blood transfusion is much much lower than those of rabzy getting killed by lightening in Lagos nowadays, don’t you think it is dishonest for you people to continue scaring people by using that line about blood transfusion being dangerous? In the 80’s you had the HIV in every 1/100 units of blood. Today, it’s estimated at about 1/676,000.  The same applies to hepatitis and others. On the other hand, blood transfusion saves about 10,000 lives everyday. Unfortunately, they don’t publish these kinds of figures in Watchtower and Awake.

Honestly, if I were you, I won’t take this blood thing too seriously. You are probably aware that your church once forbad all vaccinations and only God knows how many died as a result of that. Maybe tomorrow they will say all blood transfusions are okay. There are already indications of this. A few years ago your church made a statement to the European Commission on Human Rights stating that Witnesses will not face any sanctions for accepting blood transfusions and that minors may not carry the Medical Release card.

This blood doctrine makes no sense at all. That appears to be the view of many active Witnesses who have been known to accept blood transfusions.

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We have taken this thread totally off its original discussion, so i would say we should rest the case here. I certainly appreciate your viewpoint and its okay if you don accept this but let me reply some the things you cited above.

Fact: God said blood is sacred and should not be handled like every other body parts. Blood fractions came thousands of years later.
Fact: Disobeying the law incurs death, so anyone has a choice to disobey and incur wrath or beg for a possible forgiveness.

Saul's men did violate God’s law on blood, but they may have been shown mercy because they had respect for blood, even though they should have been more diligent about showing such respect.
Consider the situation. The Israelites under King Saul and his son Jonathan were at war with the Philistines. At a point when the men of Israel themselves were hard pressed in battle, Saul rashly took an oath that his men should not eat until the enemy was defeated. (1 Samuel 14:24)
His men were winning a hard-fought battle, but the strenuous effort was taking its toll. They were famished and exhausted. What did they do in that extreme situation? “The people began darting greedily at the spoil and taking sheep and cattle and calves and slaughtering them on the earth, and the people fell to eating along with the blood.”—1 Samuel 14:32.

They slaughtered the animal as requested by law but they somehow were also eating the blood along with it, probably by not draining it well, or while slaughtering them on the ground and cutting the meat they were falling into pools of blood left from the slaughtering.

Saul got to hear about it and ordered a stop and the procedure of slaughtering was changed and properly monitored, its clear that the intent of the soldiers was not to consume blood, so they did not sin deliberately, and when they do so inadvertently, they were not excused, they had to stop and everybody was made to comply with God's law regardless of their state of hunger or exhaustion.
The circumstances which was caused by Saul's rash oath, the fact that it was not their intention to, and lastly the fact that they stopped taking it, may have made God let them off. Also the verse said Saul made an altar, altars were used for sacrifices, what sacrifice would probably have been done at that critical time. Based on the context, i would say its a sacrifice for forgiveness.

The Blood is an organ, but it was the only organ God prohibited us from eating, so the issue of organ transplant has no bearing here. Organ transplant are not specifically mentioned in the scriptures nor was it prohibited. So any one who needs to can get an organ transplant.

Like i said modern science has thrown up both synthetic, natural and otherwise components, for some people the blood has been broken down so much that they don't see it as blood any longer and they feel their conscience can permit them to take it, well that is left to their conscience and if it does not condemn them then it is okay, and if some others don't want to touch any product from blood, then it is also a matter of conscience neither side should see the other as having done wrong.

As to the number of occurrence of it in the scriptures, the Bible and also normally when you are admonishing someone to adhere to rules, while you have a body or rules or laws, but you repeatedly mention some more often because of its level of occurrence. The bible condemned gambling, inquiring of the dead etc but they appeared less often than fornication, adultery etc. So if eating of blood, gambling, materialism and some other sins were not a major source of temptation for these early Christians, or for some particular group of xtians e.g Corinth Xtians or Thessalonians, then the Bible writer would not harp on it as much as the prevailing sins. We do the same with our children too, you help them, warn them or beat them on the things they do bad most often, a child that steals hear a lot more about stealing sermons than others.

Our magazines have not been scaring people about blood, we have written about the dangers of high/low blood pressure, smoking, the dangers of abortion even if the risk is reducing, the dangers of exposing yourself to the sun, the dangers of surgery, anesthesia, drinking etc. Even if the risk of abortion or blood transfusion becomes zero, it would still not be acceptable so far it violates God's law.

There has also been an increase in the number of people opting for alternatives to blood transfusions, more and more doctors are considering in situations were they would previously not have considered it. How many blood banks and doctors who prefer blood transfusions have written about that side of the story too. So enlightening ourselves about the alternatives and helping doctors and hospitals know about them is the way forward for us. Let others preach safe-abortion, safe-sex instead of abstinence, safe blood transfusion etc we can not join them regardless of medical break-thru because we would be violating our Bible trained conscience.

In the matter of vaccinations, this is a reply to a reader as far back as 1952

Is vaccination a violation of God’s law forbidding the taking of blood into the system?—G. C., North Carolina.
The matter of vaccination is one for the individual that has to face it to decide for himself. Each individual has to take the consequences for whatever position and action he takes toward a case of compulsory vaccination, doing so according to his own conscience and his appreciation of what is for good health and the interests of advancing God’s work. And our Society cannot afford to be drawn into the affair legally or take the responsibility for the way the case turns out.
After consideration of the matter, it does not appear to us to be in violation of the everlasting covenant made with Noah, as set down in Genesis 9:4, nor contrary to God’s related commandment at Leviticus 17:10-14. Most certainly it cannot reasonably or Scripturally be argued and proved that, by being vaccinated, the inoculated person is either eating or drinking blood and consuming it as food or receiving a blood transfusion. Vaccination does not bear any relationship to or any likeness to the intermarriage of angelic “sons of God” with the daughters of men, as described in Genesis 6:1-4. Neither can it be put in the same class as described at Leviticus 18:23, 24, which forbids the mingling of humans with animals. It has nothing to do with sex relations.
Hence all objection to vaccination on Scriptural grounds seems to be lacking. The only proper objection that some persons could raise to it would be on the matter of the health risks involved or of keeping their blood stream clean from diseased matter coming from a foreign source, whether from an animal sore or from a human sore. Medical science, in fact, claims that vaccination actually results in building up the vitality of the blood to resist the disease against which the person is inoculated. But, of course, that is a question for each individual concerned to decide for himself and as he sees it to be Jehovah’s will for him.
We merely offer the above information on request, but can assume no responsibility for the decision and course the reader may take.

Sometimes as medical advances take place it can affect our stand on matters e.g if respected health organizations and scientist says that marijuana is addictive, harmful and risky and we have taken a stand based on this, then some decades later they came out later and said they have used doctored report, they were wrong and all the dangers were false, this would make us re-think our stand on it based on Bible principles, if it is true that marijuana is not addictive, harmful etc then what would be the scriptural grounds for not taking it? So more lights and understanding of medical materials, procedures etc do affect our stand on matters.
We have never said our teaching is infallible or we have not been wrong on some matters, But for us God's word is Infallible and we strive to live by it as much as we understand it and we keep on studying it so that we can know more and get to know God better. So if adjustment is needed we are not ashamed to make it and if we have convinced of something or see no need for make any adjustment we are not scared to stick by it.

Maybe if other Christians even leave these deeper things of the scriptures and steer clear of clearer ones like eschewing Pagan holidays, stop glorifying materialism, stop making their pastors demi-gods, stop telling people tithes is an obligation and a must for Christians, stop killing their fellow Xtians in political wars, then they would have done so much to aid Christianity and the truth.

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Please, go back and do more research on the issue of vaccination. You quoted 1952 WatchTower regarding vaccination issue. The question is - what is the society view point on vaccination prior to 1952? You will not find the answer at your library at the Kingdom hall nor on the watch tower library CDROM. There is no pre 1950 publications in the library or all the publication on the CD=rom started after 1950.

On the issue of blood, why don't you do some research to find out when the doctrine of abstaining from blood started. It will surprise you to find out that it started after 45 years after Jehovah witness religion was founded. The Proclaimer book will not show you this.

Someone mention organ donation which a witness can accept now. Try to do more research on this and you will discover that organ donation was initially view as cannibalism by the society ( punishable with dis-fellowship for anybody that subscribe to it then)  initially for more than 14years. It was proclaim latter that the light indeed get brighter and witness can now subscribe to organ donation.  The same story is true about taking vaccination which was initially ban but the decision was reverse after some few years.

Question is - Imagine the number of people that might have lost their life because of these decision?

Always remember this - if its the truth, it will never change

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Re: What Is Wrong With Marrying A Jehovah's Witness?
« #113 on: July 22, 2011, 11:06 AM »

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Jehovah witnesses aren't just a christian denomination.
THEY ARE A SECT
they are like the boko haram of christianity

@CARREYTOMMY ON THE CONTRARY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE PEACE LOVING AND PRACTICING CHRISTIANS WHO RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES'S FORM OF WORSHIP OR RELIGION DIFFERENT FROM THEIR OWN. THEY DO NO BELIEVE THAT EVERYBDY MUST BELONG TO THEIR RELIGIOUS GROUP THOUGH THEY DONT HESITATE TO TALK TO PPLE ABOUT THEIR RELIOUS BELIEFS. (1 PETER 3.16)SO COMPARING THEM TO BOKO HAREM IS THE MOST UNFAIR THING TO SAY ABOUT PPLE YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT.
AS PER THE ISSUE OF MARRIAGE, THE WITNESSES UNDERSTANDS AND APPRECIATES THE BIBLE'S INJUNCTION 'NOT BE BE UNEVENLY YORKED' MARRYING SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT SHARE YOUR RELIOUS BELIEF YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT WOULD ROCK THE VERY FOUNDATION OF YR MARRIAGE. THE WITNESSES THUS DO NOT GET YORKED WITH SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT APPRECIATE THEIR BELIEFS AND WHO MAY NOT ENCOURAGE THEM TO PRACTICE SUCH. ABOVE ALL ELSE THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH JEHOVA IS A PRICELESS HERITAGE ANY TRUE DEDICATED AND BAPTIZED JW NOT TRADE; NOT WITH ANY HUMAN RELATIONSHIP, NOT EVEN THEIR LIVES. TRUE SOME WITHIN DO GO OUT TO MARRY OUTSIDE; THOSE WHO DO ARE LEFT TO THEIR CONSCIENCESES, FOR JW ARE NOT JUDGES OF THEIR BROTHER'S FAITH. NEVERTHESLESS HE WHO RAKES FIRE INTO HIS BOSSOM SHOULD NOT EXPECT NOT TO GET BURNT

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If your doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, would you have it injected into your veins?

1.Although your analogy is weak and out of context, the answer is YES, IF IT WILL SAVE A LIFE.

2.Again JESUS violated a law to DO GOOD. What is your take on that with regards to the Blood issue?

@ Citizen i have closely followed your augments but let me ans. your no 2 question. First of all who decides what GOODNESS is? man or God. Do you know that what humans may term as 'good' may not be what Jehovah terms as GOOD? Jesus knew the motives of the hypocritical Pharisees - fault finders. They twisted and switched laws to suit their selfish intents. Did Jesus actually violate the law of the sabath? Did Jehovah tell the sons of isreal to neglect a dying man becos it is sabath? By the way, do you even know the essense of the sabath? do you know what it was meant to achieve? You have to get the facts right first before concluding that jesus "violated" the law of the sabath. In case you do not know the sabath was meant for the sons of isreal to take off time to be with their families and carry out spiritual activities-work was prohibited to avoid interupting period of such spiritual refreshment. So did jesus 'violate' the law of the sabath? Now compare that with JESUS reactionwhen he was given soured wine to drink on the touture stake. Wouldnt it have been GOOD for him to drink the sour wine, afterall it was meant to sooth him and reduce his pains? But he refused! Why? Because he wanted to go through to the test to the limit and give value to the ransome sacrifice.Beside that would be contrary to JEhovah's will for him. So too JW do not accept blood or give blood in order to achieve human 'GOODNESS'. Again didnt you read that whoeaver wants to save his life contrary TO God's standard will looose it and whoever looses his life FOR God's standard will gain it? What i have just said is this
1. Humans do not have the perogative to determine 'GOODNESS'
2. Jesus did not violate the sabath to do GOOD
3. What humans term GOOD may not necessarily be God definition of GOOD
4. Saving ones life in ways CONTRARY to God's requirement is not 'GOODNESS'
5. God knows how to reward those who loose their lives in effort to please him

WELL I VE READ your POST VERY WELL , I WANT TO SHARE MY OWN REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE THOUGH AM NOT A GOOD STORY TELLER BUT I WILL TRY MY BEST TO SPILL OUT MY REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE WITH JEHOVAH WITNESS
IT ALL STARTED FIVE YEARS AGO IN THE UNIVERSITY I MET THIS GIRL IN WHICH SHE WAS MY SECONDARY SCHOOL MATE YOUNGER SISTER AND SHE TOLD ME SHE JUST GAINED ADDMISSION AND  I CALLED HER PUT HER TRU ON SCHOOL LIFE HW 2 GO ABOUT IT IF SHE WANTS 2 SUCCED ON CAMPUS. TO CUT THE LONG STORY SHORT WE BOTH FELL IN LOVE, IT WAS THE 3RD YR INTO THE RELATIONSHIP THAT SHE CALLED MY ATTENTION TO IT THAT SHE IS A JEHOVAH WITNESS AND THAT THEY DONT MARRY OUTSIDERS AS AT THEN I WAS JUST A PRACTISING CHRISTIAN . I DONT ATTEND CHURCH REGULARLY. I NEVER KNEW ANY TING ABOUT WITNESS AND I TOOK THEM AS NORMAL CHRISTIANS AND I TOLD HER AS LONG AS THEY ARE SERVING GOD I WILL JOIN HER (FAULT 1)  ALONG THE LINE SHE GOT PREGNANT (MIND U I MET HER A VIRGIN) HENCE I SO MUCH TRUSTED HER NEVER QUESTIONED HER MOVEMENT BUT B4 THEN SHE HAS TOLD ME SHE WAS PREGNANT AND I GAVE HER MONEY FOR ABORTION AND SHE CAME WITH GREAT PAINS AFTER THE ABORTION. WELL WEDING CAME (REGISTRY) AND ALL HER FAMILY APPEARED EXPECT THE FATHER . AFTERWARDS I WAS INTRODUCED TO AN ELDER IN WHICH I WAS STUDYING WITH AND I STARTED ATTENDING THIER MEETINGS AND EVEN WENT TO OTA LIKE 3 TIMES , I WAS OVERWHELMED WITH THE LOVE AND ATTENTION I RECEIVED THERE .WHICH I VE NEVER SEEN ANY WHERE SINCE I WAS BORN , I STARTED STUDYING WITH THIS ELEDER ALONG THE LINE MY CAR STARTED MISBEHAVING AND TO EVERY BODY'S SURPRISE I SOLD IT AND PROVIDED A VERY BEAUTIFUL REPLACEMENT. THATS WHEN TROUBLE STARTED IN THE NEW FAMILY.
IMMEDIATELY THIS ELDER SAW THIS NEW CAR( A PERSON I SO MUCH RESPECTED AND TRUSTED) CALLED ME AND STARTED BOROWING MONEY FROM FROM PROMISING TO PAY BACK IN TWO WEEKS TIME ( TODAY MAKES IT 7 MNTHS) I WAS SO DEVASTED AND I LOOKED AT IT THAT ARE THESE PEOPLE FOOLING ME WITH THIS THEIR FAKE LOVE AND HONESTY IF AN ELDER COULD START GIVING LIES UPON LIES AND AND I AM STUDYING WITH HIM.
I TURNED ON THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND I RESACHERD THIER HISTORY, THATS WHEN I FOUND OUT ALOT OF NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT THE RELIGION.
1 I FOUND OUT THEY THEY USE A DIFFERENT SET OF BIBLE WITH SOME SOME VERSES MISIING, WHEN I SHOWED MY MOTHER IN LAW SHE SAID SHE HAS NOT SEEN SUCH EVERY SHE HA BEEN A MEMBER (SOMEBODY BORN IN IT) THEY REFERRED ME TO SOME ELDERS WHO TOLD ME THOSE VERSES WHERE NOT FOUND IN THE ORIGINAL BIBLE

2  I ASKED THEM Y DID JEHOVAH WITNESES JOINED UN WHEN THEY CONFESS NOT TO BE PART OF THE WORLD (NO SATISFACTORY ANSWER YET)

3 Y DID JEHOVAH WITNESS CELEBRATE XMAS B4 (SHOWED THEM PICTURES OF WITNESS CELEBRATING IT ) THEY TOLD THOSE WHERE THE DAYS OF UNKNWON

4 ASKED THEM ABOUT BERTH SERIN

5 ASKED THEM ABOUT THE YRS IN WHICH THE WORLD WAS PRIDICTED TO COME TO AN END ( SHOWED THEM PICTURES OF THIER FOUNDER IN ISREAL ANTICIPATING THE END OF THE WORLD ) NO TANGIBLE ANSWER
PLS AM THESE ARE THE FEW I COULD REMEBER HERE

I ASLO ASKED THEM THAT Y SHOULD AN ELDER IN OUR MEETING BEHAVE IN SUCH A WAY THAT AN AGBERO AT THE BUS STOP WILL NOT BEHAVE
ALSO LET ME CHIP IT IN WHEN MY WIFE PUT TO BED, NY NUN WAS VERY HAPPY BEING HER FIRST GRAND CHILD BUT I DINDT VE MONEY FOR NAMING CEREYMONY I CALLED THEM AND EXPLEINED BUT MY TAUGHT I WAS TOWING MY WIFE'S WISHES THAT WENT AWAY,
TO CUT A LONG STORY SHORT EVER SINCE I BROUGHT UP ALL THIS QUESTIONED I VE BEEN HAVING ISSUES AT HOME TO THE EXTENT THAT WHEN I WENT TO WRK MY INLAS CAME TO MY HOUSE AND TOOK MY WIFE AND MY DAUGHTER AWAY TO THEIR PLACE. IN WHICH THE MATTER DEGENERATED INTO A LOT OF ARGUMENT BETWEEN THE 2 FAMILES BUT I CALLED MY WIFE AND TOLD HER WE ARE BOTH EDUCARED AND I TOLD HER THAT SINCE THAT ITS RELIGION THAT IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM , I AM NOT READY TO JOIN BUT SHE CAN JOIN BUT I WILL TAKE MY BABY FOR DEDICATION IN MY MOTHER'S CHURCH , SHE AGREED TO THAT AND WE BACK TOGETHER AGAIN,
THEN THE D DAY DAY CAME FOR THE CHILDS DEICATION ,MY TOLD ME THAT IN THIER ORGANIZATION THEY DONT BELIEVE IN THAT SO SHE IS NOT GOING.
THAT ANNOYED ME AND I TOLD HER THAT DEDICATION OR NO DEDICATION  AM NOT INTERESETED AGAIN  THE MATTER HAS COME TO THE FORE FRONT THAT SHE HAS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THE MARRIAGE OR HER RELIGION AND I TOLD HER THE CONSEQUECES THAT IF SHE COOSE ME WE LIVE AS 1 FAMILY BUT IF SHE CHOOSE ME SHE EITHER LEAVE THE HOUSE OR I DO THAT THAT WE LEAD TO DIVORSE. SHE CHOOSE HER RELIGION AND I LEFT THE HOUSE FOR HER. AFTER 1 WEEK SHE CALLED BACK THAT SHE IS READY TO CHANGE, BUT BTWN I FOUND OUT THAT SHE HAS BEEN SEEING THIS WITNESS GUY WHICH HER FAMILY ARE IN SUPPORT   TO BE CONTINUED PLS DONT MIND MY GAMMAR O JUST TYPING IN A HURRY

^^ Am waiting

^^^^^^^^^^because people that are Jehovah's witness are crazy^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You want to convert a Witness to RCCG, forget about it.

You don't understand them that's why

Let me tell you a story.

A driver once told his boss who was a Witness that he wasn't interested in their religion until something happened.

One day, the could not find a place to sleep in a town they visited.

The boss now decided to search out for Witnesses. He located one who apparently owned a hotel.

The boss and the driver were given a room to stay and the next morning when they wanted to make payment, the owner said its on the house- free.

Many witnesses would happily open their doors for a brother they did not know if he did not have a place to sleep that night( John 13:35). Can you imagine an RCCG member doing it for a brother he does not know stuck in Bauchi? Or a catholic doing it for his brother. Even after church service, its as though they don't even know each other.

The driver later became a Witness.

Also, they have no clergy class(Matthew 23:8-12). The reverence given Pastor Adeboye by RCCG would be found very distasteful.

No salary is paid to those taking the lead in the congregation.

Also accounts are rendered monthly.

And many others.

Pls find someone else. The way they think is very different from most people (Psalm 119:105) Ephesian 5:10, 17), Collosians 3: 23, Matthew 5:16.

I am a Jehovah's Witness

my dad ignored his family advice and went to uyo to marry my mother, if she cant join yours then leave her, when she no see correct man marry for her church she go vex comot dia come dey find u, leave her abeg abi sugar dey her toto?

CLASSMAN: WELL I VE READ your POST VERY WELL , I WANT TO SHARE MY OWN REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE THOUGH AM NOT A GOOD STORY TELLER BUT I WILL TRY MY BEST TO SPILL OUT MY REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE WITH JEHOVAH WITNESS
IT ALL STARTED FIVE YEARS AGO IN THE UNIVERSITY I MET THIS GIRL IN WHICH SHE WAS MY SECONDARY SCHOOL MATE YOUNGER SISTER AND SHE TOLD ME SHE JUST GAINED ADDMISSION AND I CALLED HER PUT HER TRU ON SCHOOL LIFE HW 2 GO ABOUT IT IF SHE WANTS 2 SUCCED ON CAMPUS. TO CUT THE LONG STORY SHORT WE BOTH FELL IN LOVE, IT WAS THE 3RD YR INTO THE RELATIONSHIP THAT SHE CALLED MY ATTENTION TO IT THAT SHE IS A JEHOVAH WITNESS AND THAT THEY DONT MARRY OUTSIDERS AS AT THEN I WAS JUST A PRACTISING CHRISTIAN . I DONT ATTEND CHURCH REGULARLY. I NEVER KNEW ANY TING ABOUT WITNESS AND I TOOK THEM AS NORMAL CHRISTIANS AND I TOLD HER AS LONG AS THEY ARE SERVING GOD I WILL JOIN HER (FAULT 1) ALONG THE LINE SHE GOT PREGNANT (MIND U I MET HER A VIRGIN) HENCE I SO MUCH TRUSTED HER NEVER QUESTIONED HER MOVEMENT BUT B4 THEN SHE HAS TOLD ME SHE WAS PREGNANT AND I GAVE HER MONEY FOR ABORTION AND SHE CAME WITH GREAT PAINS AFTER THE ABORTION. WELL WEDING CAME (REGISTRY) AND ALL HER FAMILY APPEARED EXPECT THE FATHER . AFTERWARDS I WAS INTRODUCED TO AN ELDER IN WHICH I WAS STUDYING WITH AND I STARTED ATTENDING THIER MEETINGS AND EVEN WENT TO OTA LIKE 3 TIMES , I WAS OVERWHELMED WITH THE LOVE AND ATTENTION I RECEIVED THERE .WHICH I VE NEVER SEEN ANY WHERE SINCE I WAS BORN , I STARTED STUDYING WITH THIS ELEDER ALONG THE LINE MY CAR STARTED MISBEHAVING AND TO EVERY BODY'S SURPRISE I SOLD IT AND PROVIDED A VERY BEAUTIFUL REPLACEMENT. THATS WHEN TROUBLE STARTED IN THE NEW FAMILY.
IMMEDIATELY THIS ELDER SAW THIS NEW CAR( A PERSON I SO MUCH RESPECTED AND TRUSTED) CALLED ME AND STARTED BOROWING MONEY FROM FROM PROMISING TO PAY BACK IN TWO WEEKS TIME ( TODAY MAKES IT 7 MNTHS) I WAS SO DEVASTED AND I LOOKED AT IT THAT ARE THESE PEOPLE FOOLING ME WITH THIS THEIR FAKE LOVE AND HONESTY IF AN ELDER COULD START GIVING LIES UPON LIES AND AND I AM STUDYING WITH HIM.
I TURNED ON THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND I RESACHERD THIER HISTORY, THATS WHEN I FOUND OUT ALOT OF NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT THE RELIGION.
1 I FOUND OUT THEY THEY USE A DIFFERENT SET OF BIBLE WITH SOME SOME VERSES MISIING, WHEN I SHOWED MY MOTHER IN LAW SHE SAID SHE HAS NOT SEEN SUCH EVERY SHE HA BEEN A MEMBER (SOMEBODY BORN IN IT) THEY REFERRED ME TO SOME ELDERS WHO TOLD ME THOSE VERSES WHERE NOT FOUND IN THE ORIGINAL BIBLE

2 I ASKED THEM Y DID JEHOVAH WITNESES JOINED UN WHEN THEY CONFESS NOT TO BE PART OF THE WORLD (NO SATISFACTORY ANSWER YET)

3 Y DID JEHOVAH WITNESS CELEBRATE XMAS B4 (SHOWED THEM PICTURES OF WITNESS CELEBRATING IT ) THEY TOLD THOSE WHERE THE DAYS OF UNKNWON

4 ASKED THEM ABOUT BERTH SERIN

5 ASKED THEM ABOUT THE YRS IN WHICH THE WORLD WAS PRIDICTED TO COME TO AN END ( SHOWED THEM PICTURES OF THIER FOUNDER IN ISREAL ANTICIPATING THE END OF THE WORLD ) NO TANGIBLE ANSWER
PLS AM THESE ARE THE FEW I COULD REMEBER HERE

I ASLO ASKED THEM THAT Y SHOULD AN ELDER IN OUR MEETING BEHAVE IN SUCH A WAY THAT AN AGBERO AT THE BUS STOP WILL NOT BEHAVE
ALSO LET ME CHIP IT IN WHEN MY WIFE PUT TO BED, NY NUN WAS VERY HAPPY BEING HER FIRST GRAND CHILD BUT I DINDT VE MONEY FOR NAMING CEREYMONY I CALLED THEM AND EXPLEINED BUT MY TAUGHT I WAS TOWING MY WIFE'S WISHES THAT WENT AWAY,
TO CUT A LONG STORY SHORT EVER SINCE I BROUGHT UP ALL THIS QUESTIONED I VE BEEN HAVING ISSUES AT HOME TO THE EXTENT THAT WHEN I WENT TO WRK MY INLAS CAME TO MY HOUSE AND TOOK MY WIFE AND MY DAUGHTER AWAY TO THEIR PLACE. IN WHICH THE MATTER DEGENERATED INTO A LOT OF ARGUMENT BETWEEN THE 2 FAMILES BUT I CALLED MY WIFE AND TOLD HER WE ARE BOTH EDUCARED AND I TOLD HER THAT SINCE THAT ITS RELIGION THAT IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM , I AM NOT READY TO JOIN BUT SHE CAN JOIN BUT I WILL TAKE MY BABY FOR DEDICATION IN MY MOTHER'S CHURCH , SHE AGREED TO THAT AND WE BACK TOGETHER AGAIN,
THEN THE D DAY DAY CAME FOR THE CHILDS DEICATION ,MY TOLD ME THAT IN THIER ORGANIZATION THEY DONT BELIEVE IN THAT SO SHE IS NOT GOING.
THAT ANNOYED ME AND I TOLD HER THAT DEDICATION OR NO DEDICATION AM NOT INTERESETED AGAIN THE MATTER HAS COME TO THE FORE FRONT THAT SHE HAS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THE MARRIAGE OR HER RELIGION AND I TOLD HER THE CONSEQUECES THAT IF SHE COOSE ME WE LIVE AS 1 FAMILY BUT IF SHE CHOOSE ME SHE EITHER LEAVE THE HOUSE OR I DO THAT THAT WE LEAD TO DIVORSE. SHE CHOOSE HER RELIGION AND I LEFT THE HOUSE FOR HER. AFTER 1 WEEK SHE CALLED BACK THAT SHE IS READY TO CHANGE, BUT BTWN I FOUND OUT THAT SHE HAS BEEN SEEING THIS WITNESS GUY WHICH HER FAMILY ARE IN SUPPORT TO BE CONTINUED PLS DONT MIND MY GAMMAR O JUST TYPING IN A HURRY

continue nah

pDude: Solution= go and hang yourself.

That is so unfair...and u strike me as a shallowminded person

sexkillz:
Yes! You can convince her! It's Possible! It has happened before, is still happening, and will continue to happen!. . . BUT! All the one's i've seen always ended up in one thing. . . . . . . . . .[size=16pt]DISASTER![/size]

I wish there was a more fatal word to describe it cause the end is worst than disaster

9japrof:
please am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and would like to make our beliefs clear in this issue of marriage.

Rightly as you guys have answered we Jehovah's Witnesses don't marry people who are not members of our organization and there are clear cut reasons why we do so, so please relax and follow me gently as i unfold them:

According to instructions that can be found in the Bible at 1st Corinthians 7:31, it made it clear that we should marry only in the lord ,yeah some may ask "Marry in the lord" Does it not include other members of other religions or denominations that constitute Christianity
I can emphatically say NO, In so many places in the bible the expression "in the lord" signifies sharing the same beliefs, principles , attitudes,way of life. It is obvious that no other religion on earth share the same ideologies with the witnesses and at that cannot be said to be in the same lord with them

Please do not be too fast to conclude that we are a sect or that we segregate so much that we don't have marriage dealings with members of other denominations or religions.During the time of the Ancient Israel, they were barred by God to have marriage alliances with people of other nations , Why? this was to keep their worship of him sacred or undiluted and not for segregation reasons, because outside marriage, Isrealites still traded businesses with Other nations. At your time read Deuteronomy 7: 3 , 4

In marriage a lot of things are considered, but i think that one of the things that must be considered most is, COMPATIBILITY, With a witness that holds fast to the teachings found in the bible, it would be very difficult been compatible with such witness devoid of serious problems in marraige

LISTEN TO MY ADVICE

(a) there are many celebrations that are accepted in many churches today(e.g Christmas, Birthdays, Halloween etc)which do not have biblical backing which the witness may strongly desist from attending those functions with you thereby creating creating cracks in the unity of your marriage.

(b)On my own self i would not encourage you Poster to be a witness, because it is obvious that you are becoming a witness just for a selfish motive(marrying the girl). try to see evidences and proofs why been a witness is worth it and not because you are in "a one month love"

(c) Even if the girl agrees to marry you against the wishes of her parents , do not blame the parents of the girl for not attending the marriage functions or blessing the marriage, because they wanted the best for their child and marriage and would not condone seeing her get married to somebody they know would not provide the best for their children


Please no matter how offended/bad you feel about this post, that is the truth, in my short life's span i have seen many marriages like this break down, at least 60-70 percent of them do break down,and those that do not ,sometimes happiness may not be there .

Please feel free to ask your questions and relplies, i am so busy , but i will promise answering them

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NYC writeup bro,am also a witness and so proud to be one.

1stCitizen:


Thanks TOPDOG for the shallow comment above which goes a million miles to show how deep, the mind bending tactics of your sect has erased all form of reality  from the feeble minds of you lot. You bunch live in a world where there is no love ,NOT EVEN FOR YOURSELVES. and you claim to follow Christ. I gave you a live example of my early experience with your cult and how the life of a helpless woman was extinguished simply because you have been brainwashed.

You talk about insecurity and low self esteem. Very interesting. Let me borrow a quote from a link posted earlier which I hope your beclouded mind will take time to read. please note the bolded." The cult(Jehovah Witness) uses mind control tools to keep members in line such as: milieu control, loaded language, demand for purity, confession, mystical manipulation, doctrine over person, sacred science, dispensing of existence, control of environment, closed logic, and most of all fear"

FEAR!!![/b]Now lets take that word and examine low self esteem. There is a general consensus amongst psychologists that PEOPLE WITH LOW SELF ESTEEM ARE RULED BY FEAR SO THEY TRY TO LIVE IN CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENTS. The second word is [b]CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.PEOPLE CHOOSE TO SEGREGATE THEMSELVES AND LIVE IN CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENTS DUE TO INSECURITY. Thanks for spewing out your greatest characteristics and tools. Your leaders and even parents start to sow these seeds of FEAR in you at a tender age  to ensure you cannot rise above[b] their closed logic[/b] These are 1. No patriotism (I dare you to counter this)  2. No after School Activities or association with non-witnesses 3. No Holidays or the fun of childhood.4. the idea that every non-witness is evil. The result? [b]LOW SELF ESTEEM AND INSECURITY [/b]Please tell me if this is how to raise mentally healthy children who would tomorrow become adults like you.

Mind you, I have posted facts and links of how deeply destructive your ways are to the physical well being of an individual, to family life and society in general and have no apology for it. I have associated with many of you over the last 30 years and in some cases even intimately and done extensive research on your literature at a point when I was ALMOST in the OP's shoes and I know WHAT YOU STAND FOR.

I may seem biased toward you(NO APOLOGIES AGAIN) and may take a comparative stance in terms of you and Boko Haram. Yes I DO for one reason. ONE SECT DESTROYS PEOPLE WITH VIOLENCE AND THE OTHER WITH FEAR AND CONTROL.

u got me really smiling dude.....stop being bitter at yourself huh?Your hatred s only gonna get at you and make u feel worse cuz its not a new phenomenon to Witnesses.

Op ur effing very lucky cos the ama jehovah's i know dnt even date church goers ....speaking from experience, upon what i did for gift, even followed her to the kingdom hall on sunday, she still told me NO for no reason...leave those people o, they are so engrossed with that their teaching

I guess you should ask her what she believes is more important to her. you'll get to know through that question. its so psychological and simple.

9japrof:
please am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and would like to make our beliefs clear in this issue of marriage.

Rightly as you guys have answered we Jehovah's Witnesses don't marry people who are not members of our organization and there are clear cut reasons why we do so, so please relax and follow me gently as i unfold them:

According to instructions that can be found in the Bible at 1st Corinthians 7:31, it made it clear that we should marry only in the lord ,yeah some may ask "Marry in the lord" Does it not include other members of other religions or denominations that constitute Christianity
I can emphatically say NO, In so many places in the bible the expression "in the lord" signifies sharing the same beliefs, principles , attitudes,way of life. It is obvious that no other religion on earth share the same ideologies with the witnesses and at that cannot be said to be in the same lord with them

Please do not be too fast to conclude that we are a sect or that we segregate so much that we don't have marriage dealings with members of other denominations or religions.During the time of the Ancient Israel, they were barred by God to have marriage alliances with people of other nations , Why? this was to keep their worship of him sacred or undiluted and not for segregation reasons, because outside marriage, Isrealites still traded businesses with Other nations. At your time read Deuteronomy 7: 3 , 4

In marriage a lot of things are considered, but i think that one of the things that must be considered most is, COMPATIBILITY, With a witness that holds fast to the teachings found in the bible, it would be very difficult been compatible with such witness devoid of serious problems in marraige

LISTEN TO MY ADVICE

(a) there are many celebrations that are accepted in many churches today(e.g Christmas, Birthdays, Halloween etc)which do not have biblical backing which the witness may strongly desist from attending those functions with you thereby creating creating cracks in the unity of your marriage.

(b)On my own self i would not encourage you Poster to be a witness, because it is obvious that you are becoming a witness just for a selfish motive(marrying the girl). try to see evidences and proofs why been a witness is worth it and not because you are in "a one month love"

(c) Even if the girl agrees to marry you against the wishes of her parents , do not blame the parents of the girl for not attending the marriage functions or blessing the marriage, because they wanted the best for their child and marriage and would not condone seeing her get married to somebody they know would not provide the best for their children


Please no matter how offended/bad you feel about this post, that is the truth, in my short life's span i have seen many marriages like this break down, at least 60-70 percent of them do break down,and those that do not ,sometimes happiness may not be there .

Please feel free to ask your questions and relplies, i am so busy , but i will promise answering them

Beautiful contribution up there. Thanks
But I have a lady I am seeing and she is a witness and am not and I am facing this similar issue. I am open to having Bible discussion getting to know more about her and her belief. Deep down I really love her but those conditions you put up there are not 100 accurate.
Are you saying for sure that witness are the real Christians or follower of Christ?
The homes that are destroyed due to this beliefs,how do you revive them as Christians?
Why do parents neglect their children choice because they feel the standard provided is the best?
I guess your point is clear, getting married to one will lead to the greatest disappointment one could ever imagine