Nostradamus1:
I confirmed before posting it here that it happened in SE. I can also show how I confirmed it. I , however added a caveat that I wasn't aware of it was an old or new video.

Back to the matter at hand, I believe you misunderstood me. When someone claims genocide is happening in Nigeria, it would be important if it is backed with facts. Then we need to understand the context the person refers to it as genocide. We can start screaming from now till tomorrow without knowing what is actually happening and how to help refugees and also certain informations not to posted.

I tried looking again and came across this tweet below. Earlier reads from a lot of tweeps claim the government/military abandoned this people and all that.

DeadPresidents:


It’s cool to some people to play semantic games with word salads. Whatever you wanna call it, what’s happening to Southern Kaduna people is ethnic cleansing on a systematic scale. It’s expansionist in nature with the ultimate goal being the displacement of the indigenous people whose abode will promptly be resettled upon by terrorists.

Once again, fück this government and anybody down with them. And if you try to downplay the evil happening with semantics, then i hope you die slow muthafuka.

nihilistjnr:


It has nothing to do with THIS government.

Kaduna Crisis has been going on in some way shape or form for decades.

I'm pretty sure Victor Moses, the former Chelsea baller lost both his parents to Kaduna crisis as a child and had to be shipped to live with family members in the UK.

I also remember Kaduna crisis of 2000, because it led to bloody reprisals in my neighbourhood in Agege.

Bruv, when I say there is no hope for Nigeria, its not because I take particular joy in saying it, its because the problems are too damn much.

In Kaduna, you have fulani herdsmen, you have hardline Muslims, you have Boko, you have Iswap, you have bandits, you have regular criminals. Some of these guys overlap, some dont.

Police in Nigeria are severely understaffed, underequipped, and underpaid. Some of them are criminals themselves.

The armed forces ate stretched to breaking point. There's all kinds of corruption in Abuja.

The borders are more open than the legs of a veteran olosho. There are guns and munitions flowing in from the Sahara. Al Qaeda is very active in Libya and in Mali. There's a civil unrest ongoing in our border neighbours Chad right now.

If you're a politician in Abuja right now presented with the choice of
A. try to boil the ocean, or
B. keep cashing out...

Which will you choose?

When somebody said he wants to recruit 50m youths to the Army they laughed. I even saw people carrying placard stating they don't want to join Army so they're voting for Obi, and this is the pervasive level of ignorance plaguing Nigerian social media right now.

Everybody wants to virtue signal online- Condemn it! Condemn it, as if its words of condemnation that will solve an impossible problem. Btw the reference above is not an endorsement of Tinubu or denouncement of Obi. I'm merely pointing out the sheer silliness of social media groupthink today.

Bro let me remind you that Boko Haram were able to actually claim ownership of a couple local governments a few years ago. The scale of this issue will destroy your brain cells if you sit down to reason it too deeply.

The only hope for Kaduna is a robustly funded and equipped state police, but constitutionally that's impossible right now.

Nigeria is fücked.

In the äss.

No Vaseline

nihilistjnr:


It has nothing to do with THIS government.

Kaduna Crisis has been going on in some way shape or form for decades.

I'm pretty sure Victor Moses, the former Chelsea baller lost both his parents to Kaduna crisis as a child and had to be shipped to live with family members in the UK.

I also remember Kaduna crisis of 2000, because it led to bloody reprisals in my neighbourhood in Agege.

Bruv, when I say there is no hope for Nigeria, its not because I take particular joy in saying it, its because the problems are too damn much.

In Kaduna, you have fulani herdsmen, you have hardline Muslims, you have Boko, you have Iswap, you have bandits, you have regular criminals. Some of these guys overlap, some dont.

Police in Nigeria are severely understaffed, underequipped, and underpaid. Some of them are criminals themselves.

The armed forces ate stretched to breaking point. There's all kinds of corruption in Abuja.

The borders are more open than the legs of a veteran olosho. There are guns and munitions flowing in from the Sahara. Al Qaeda is very active in Libya and in Mali. There's a civil unrest ongoing in our border neighbours Chad right now.

If you're a politician in Abuja right now presented with the choice of
A. try to boil the ocean, or
B. keep cashing out...

Which will you choose?

When somebody said he wants to recruit 50m youths to the Army they laughed. I even saw people carrying placard stating they don't want to join Army so they're voting for Obi, and this is the pervasive level of ignorance plaguing Nigerian social media right now.

Everybody wants to virtue signal online- Condemn it! Condemn it, as if its words of condemnation that will solve an impossible problem. Btw the reference above is not an endorsement of Tinubu or denouncement of Obi. I'm merely pointing out the sheer silliness of social media groupthink today.

Bro let me remind you that Boko Haram were able to actually claim ownership of a couple local governments a few years ago. The scale of this issue will destroy your brain cells if you sit down to reason it too deeply.

The only hope for Kaduna is a robustly funded and equipped state police, but constitutionally that's impossible right now.

Nigeria is fücked.

In the äss.

No Vaseline

Theflint1:
The bolded is laughable and rightly so. Saying we need to recruit massively into the Nigerian army is a no-brainer, anyone with a basic knowledge of security issues that Nigeria faces would point to that as a step in the right direction. Tinubu wasn't laughed at for saying what a lot of persons already agree is the right thing, he was mocked because his 50m strong army yarns betrayed his poor understanding of what constitutes an appropriate number for a country's military. Nigeria can't even afford to recruit 1 million person's into our military, talk more of 50 million.

Theflint1:
As regards the Southern Kaduna issue, it's easy to say what's happening there has nothing to do with this government because we've had similar incidents in the past, but one also has to check how many person's have been killed in previous administrations and compare with what's obtainable today.

I believe the people of Southern Kaduna deserve their own state, as it's become clear that El-Rufai wants to perpetuate a Muslim first policy in the state.

nihilistjnr:

.

Tinubu said he wanted to recruit 50m youths. He said he would feed them with cassava ewa dodo etc.

Instead of reviewing in tbe numbers and thinking about the desperate times we're in, they went and printed placards like the below, and remixed his words into an admitted banger of a song.

YOU might look at the logistics behind the purported recruitment drive and call it crazy, and I will be right there with you -Those numbers are crazy - but tbe vast majority of people, particularly Obidients, on Social Media don't see it that way...again reference to the placard below.

Every discourse is an opportunity to crack jokes, post memes, and then of course blame APC and say Obi is different, but very few have the memory to recognise that this problem predates APC as a party, or the cognitive ability to realise that this problem will survive subsequent governments to come.

Watch and see.

Theflint1:
Nothing short of forced conscription would give us an army 50 million strong. People coming out to reject an idea that purports to recruit that many person's is a valid fear, that can only the laughed off because of its sheer ridiculousness, and not because it isn't a danger to the ambitions of millions of Nigerian youths who have no desire to be a part of the Nigerian army in any shape or form.

nihilistjnr:


OK keep laughing.

Theflint1:
The Nigerian army today is estimated at 220K person's. Any idea that seeks to increase that number by approximately 23,000% will always be laughed at.

We def need numbers, and from my layman perspective, even adding 400K person's to the army should give us the bodies needed to send these guys back into the desert.

I thought he corrected himself and said it was 50,000.

Why are you still holding on to 5 million na?

izzou:


I thought he corrected himself and said it was 50,000.

Why are you still holding on to 5 million na?

Theflint1:
The Nigerian army today is estimated at 220K person's. Any idea that seeks to increase that number by approximately 23,000% will always be laughed at.

We def need numbers, and from my layman perspective, even adding 400K person's to the army should give us the bodies needed to send these guys back into the desert.

Theflint1:
Na Nihilist bring the 50 million yarns again o, had to push back on it before Agbado online army begin use am prop their guy. I think he actually could have made his point without the Tinubu reference, we def need numbers in the Nigerian army, and 50K person's is a good start.

Theflint1:
As regards the Southern Kaduna issue, it's easy to say what's happening there has nothing to do with this government because we've had similar incidents in the past, but one also has to check how many person's have been killed in previous administrations and compare with what's obtainable today.

I believe the people of Southern Kaduna deserve their own state, as it's become clear that El-Rufai wants to perpetuate a Muslim first policy in the state.

nihilistjnr:


I'm not hung up on the numbers. I was discussing the response to it as part if a general reflection on social media patterns in Nigeria.

Like you just said, the answer is to give Southern Kaduna their own state, because the killer herdsmen who typically have no qualms murdering infants would suddenly baulk at crossing newly drawn state boundaries.

Emaprince:
I think the 50million youth yarning is like Trumps statements. You have to be able to not take it literally to catch his drift. But na politics time so any gaffe will be used against you.

Only funny thing about it is feeding them with Aghado and cassava. When I picture youths downing bowels of cassava as they prepare to enter sambissa, I just dey laugh. Na old age cause this one.

nihilistjnr:


50m is a crazy number, and I think the gaffe man gaffed there again, but if the overwhelming response on social media was to laugh rather than consider the starkness of the situation, then like I said keep laughing.

Nigeria is a war on multiple fronts in the North. We're at war in the South East. We're at war in the South West. We're at war in the South South. We're even at war abroad, which is why we heard about donations of Suvs to chadian and Nigerien government

It is the absurdity of the situation that you should be considering, not the absurdity of a crazy proposal.

I want you to let this sink it.
1.A terrorist group attacked a train to Abuja and kidnapped several people on it...and your FG had to pay a ransom for them.
2. A terrorist group came to Abuja to break out their members from Prison. No perpetrators have been found
3. A bunch of foreign embassies had to vacate Abuja and publicly announce an impending attack on Abuja, before the FG was announced it.

All this year.

Keep laughing bro.

Theflint1:
The people of Southern Kaduna request their own state because they believe that would give them better control over their safety compared to being in a state where the governor is practicing an exclusionary government that has left them further exposed to these marauders from the desert.

I get the point you're making with the whole inflow of arms and terrorists from the Sahel region, but the perspectives of those being attacked have to be considered too. It's more often than not, always Southern Kaduna, why? These are some of the questions we have to ask ourselves too.

nihilistjnr:


50m is a crazy number, and I think the gaffe man gaffed there again, but if the overwhelming response on social media was to laugh rather than consider the starkness of the situation, then like I said keep laughing.

Nigeria is a war on multiple fronts in the North. We're at war in the South East. We're at war in the South West. We're at war in the South South. We're even at war abroad, which is why we heard about donations of Suvs to chadian and Nigerien government

It is the absurdity of the situation that you should be considering, not the absurdity of a crazy proposal.

I want you to let this sink it.
1.A terrorist group attacked a train to Abuja and kidnapped several people on it...and your FG had to pay a ransom for them.
2. A terrorist group came to Abuja to break out their members from Prison. No perpetrators have been found
3. A bunch of foreign embassies had to vacate Abuja and publicly announce an impending attack on Abuja, before the FG was announced it.

All this year.

Keep laughing bro.

Theflint1:
The people of Southern Kaduna request their own state because they believe that would give them better control over their safety compared to being in a state where the governor is practicing an exclusionary government that has left them further exposed to these marauders from the desert.

I get the point you're making with the whole inflow of arms and terrorists from the Sahel region, but the perspectives of those being attacked have to be considered too. It's more often than not, always Southern Kaduna, why? These are some of the questions we have to ask ourselves too.

Theflint1:
Saying it's an Obidients thing isn't helping. Agbadorians that got hung up on defending the 50 million thingy, you think they were doing so because they remotely understand the enormity of the security challenges which you've here described?

One can recognize the absurdity of the many security challenges we face and still not take kindly to absurd proposals being put forward as solution to the insecurity problems.

nihilistjnr:


But its not just Southern Kaduna though is it?

Anywhere Fulani Herdsmen go, this chaos follows.

That's standard.

Then you have the sectarian element as well. Then you have the fact that you have ex-boko, Non-Nigerian fulani killers who run bandit camps, whilst also having boys herding their cattle.

Like this shït is ridiculous

A State in Nigeria only exists for Civil Administration. It does not include a security component, so a new state means nothing bro.

It's why I keep saying that giving the choice, any rational person in a position of political power in Nigeria would continue to amass generational wealth through looting rather than try to sellotape a valley.

Where do you actually start?

For me, if there was a presidential candidate campaigning on the basis of weakening the position he was running for through a return to regional government, I might consider even leaving Nigeria to campaign for him.

Until then, we are going nowhere fast.

Theflint1:
Saying it's an Obidients thing isn't helping. Agbadorians that got hung up on defending the 50 million thingy, you think they were doing so because they remotely understand the enormity of the security challenges which you've here described?

One can recognize the absurdity of the many security challenges we face and still not take kindly to absurd proposals being put forward as solution to the insecurity problems.