LordReed:


LoLz! I don't know what a spiritual fact is, which is why I asked you the questions. You didn't even define what a spiritual thing is, only giving what you consider examples, requiring further questions which again you don't address.

Can you name the fallacy I presumed?

Here we go again, lol. Spiritual facts have to do with the spiritual realm. We've been down this lane before several times, you don't believe in the spiritual realm.

You're leading on to an hasty generalization when i didn't even suggest it.

BrokenEggShell:
The Trinity is probably the biggest, but there are others:

1. The cancellation of the old Law.
2. The belief that only faith is necessary to go to heaven.

Countless fake christian babalawo (a.k.a. MOGs) shenanigans would realistically also be on this list.

Atleast reading and meditating on bible we can see there's trinity in the bible e.g "matthew 28:19" that was jesus statement in that scripture.

Do not:
Drink alcoholic beverages!
Dance Davido, Wizkid or Kiss Daniel song!
Put on jewelries (females)
Wear makeups (females)
Wear trousers (females)

That's all i can remember for now, i'll add more later!

KnownUnknown:


What does it mean to be “born again”?

Everybody talks about John 3:16 but the gist of the chapter lays in the first 15 verses.

Nicodemus asked Jesus what it means to be born again and Jesus proceeded to, putting it mildly, chat absolute nonsense and never answered the question.

What does it mean to be “born again”?

Are you born again?

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Here we go again, lol. Spiritual facts have to do with the spiritual realm. We've been down this lane before several times, you don't believe in the spiritual realm.

You're leading on to an hasty generalization when i didn't even suggest it.

Where did I hastily generalise when I asked a question?

What is the spiritual realm, can you define it and outline how I can know it exists?

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Are you born again?

I don’t know what that means. That’s why I asked.

KnownUnknown:

What does it mean to be “born again”?
Everybody talks about John 3:16 but the gist of the chapter lays in the first 15 verses.
Nicodemus asked Jesus what it means to be born again and Jesus proceeded to, putting it mildly, chat absolute nonsense and never answered the question.
What does it mean to be “born again”?

God promised Abraham that salvation will be made possible for all mankind through his lineage {Genesis 12:1-3} so throughout that lineage they kept thinking about the seed (child) that will lead Israelites {Daniel 12:1} to gather faithful humans throughout the earth under God's Kingdom for everlasting benefits! Isaiah 9:6-7
By the time Jesus walked the earth Israelites have gone off course to the point of no return so Jerusalem the proposed city where God's Kingdom supposed to be situated has been polluted with the blood of righteousness servants of God {Matthew 23:37-38} and God has chosen another nation to oversee that assignment! Matthew 21:43

But there were different sects claiming they're worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses. Nicodemus was a prominent member of the Jewish High Court because he happens to belong to one of the sects. Their believe is that when the Messiah (Christ) comes he will select his co-rulers from among those leading in the sects.
So having been fully convinced that Jesus is the promised Messiah but most of his colleagues are annoyed with Jesus for speaking against their group's hypocrisy Nicodemus secretly went to Jesus to secure his position under Jesus {John 3:1-2} Jesus who knew the intentions of the heart quickly told Nicodemus that he must be BORN AGAIN in order to gain what he had in mind.

BORN AGAIN means prospective co-rulers with the Christ to be taken to the new Kingdom site (government house) which is no longer Jerusalem but heaven {John 14:1-3} they can't go as humans so they must be transformed into spirit beings! 1Corinthians 15:50

Jesus only touched few points that needed to be expatiated before anyone can fully grasp what he's saying. In fact even those traveling with Jesus up and down never got the sense of what Jesus meant by that word because by the time Jesus died and was resurrected they asked him if the kingdom will be restored back to earthly Jerusalem {Act 1:6} after telling them that he's going to prepare another destination that common people can't go! John 14:4

That's why he told them:

"I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come". John 16:12-13

Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:

BORN AGAIN means prospective co-rulers with the Christ to be taken to the new Kingdom site (government house) which is no longer Jerusalem but heaven {John 14:1-3} they can't go as humans so they must be transformed into spirit beings! 1Corinthians 15:50

How many rulers does this kingdom have?

How many co-rulers will this kingdom have?

Who will be the ruled?

What’s so special about the patch of dirt called Jerusalem?
What makes it more special than Ouagadougou?

Where is heaven?

What is a spirit being?

BrokenEggShell:


The Trinity is probably the biggest, but there are others:

1. The cancellation of the old Law.
2. The belief that only faith is necessary to go to heaven.

Countless fake christian babalawo (a.k.a. MOGs) shenanigans would realistically also be on this list.

Since the words "Trinity" and "Grandfather" are not in the Bible, should we conclude that those concepts don't exist?

KnownUnknown:

[1]How many rulers does this kingdom have?

[2]How many co-rulers will this kingdom have?

[3]Who will be the ruled?

[4]What’s so special about the patch of dirt called Jerusalem?

[5]What makes it more special than Ouagadougou?

[6]Where is heaven?

[7]What is a spirit being?

[1] One ruler.

[2] 144,000 to be chosen from all the nations on planet earth. Initially all of them supposed to come from Israel but due to the unfaithfulness of Israelites the invitation was blown open to other nationalities.

[3] Humble and obedient mankind throughout the earth!

[4] Jerusalem was the first and last place the God of Israel established His government headed by imperfect humans and consisting of imperfect citizens!

[5] There was no other place where God ruled through imperfect humans on planet earth!

[6] Spirit realms where spirits lives!

[7] Higher form of life much more intelligent and powerful than humans!

Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:

[1] One ruler.

[2] 144,000 to be chosen from all the nations on planet earth. Initially all of them supposed to come from Israel but due to the unfaithfulness of Israelites the invitation was blown open to other nationalities.

[3] Humble and obedient mankind throughout the earth!

[4] Jerusalem was the first and last place the God of Israel established His government headed by imperfect humans and consisting of imperfect citizens!

[5] There was no other place where God ruled through imperfect humans on planet earth!

[6] Spirit realms where spirits lives!

[7] Higher form of life much more intelligent and powerful than humans!

Thanks!

Seeing that this Kingdom belongs to the God of Israel who favors Jerusalem, will there be a problem for those aligned with the God of Burkinabe who favors Ouagadougou?
I’m asking because some “humble and obedient” people may prefer God’s convention to what the God of Israel is offering.

What is a spirit?
Where is the spirit realm?
How do spirits live?

I can fathom “Higher form of life much more intelligent and powerful than humans” that exists in our world/universe/physical realm but I still don’t know what you mean by spiritual realm.

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KnownUnknown:

Seeing that this Kingdom belongs to the God of Israel who favors Jerusalem, will there be a problem for those aligned with the God of Burkinabe who favors Ouagadougou?
I’m asking because some “humble and obedient” people may prefer God’s convention to what the God of Israel is offering.

The "God of Israel" gave Himself that title not because if He only favors Jerusalem but rulers must start their kind gesture from somewhere before extending to other territories.
The true God need to start from somewhere by setting up rules and standards which will reflect the type of God He is.
For your the same God of Israel will punish the Israelites by Himself if they mistreat strangers!

KnownUnknown:

What is a spirit?
Where is the spirit realm?
How do spirits live?

It's like aggression is written all over you so go back and read the former post answers to these questions are there.

KnownUnknown:

I can fathom “Higher form of life much more intelligent and powerful than humans” that exists in our world/universe/physical realm but I still don’t know what you mean by spiritual realm.

Can you enlighten me on the highlighted?

OLAADEGBU:


Since the words "Trinity" and "Grandfather" are not in the Bible, should we conclude that those concepts don't exist?

My point was not that Trinity is not literally written in the Bible, therefore it doesn't exist.
My point is that the Trinity has no Biblical justification or basis, and thus it is a completely fabricated man-made idea.

Obafavour:

Atleast reading and meditating on bible we can see there's trinity in the bible e.g "matthew 28:19" that was jesus statement in that scripture.

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

Indeed, that passage does reference the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. However, it does not say that they are equivalent entities. It does not make any claims about who they are at all. It just mentions their names in a particular order. Did it say "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, who are actually one entity"? No.

You say "e.g", so I will assume you have more examples. I can promise you here that none of them actually claim that they are equivalent entities.

MaxInDHouse:

The "God of Israel" gave Himself that title not because if He only favors Jerusalem but rulers must start their kind gesture from somewhere before extending to other territories.
The true God need to start from somewhere by setting up rules and standards which will reflect the type of God He is.
For your the same God of Israel will punish the Israelites by Himself if they mistreat strangers!

The "God of Burkinabe" gave Godself that title not because if G only favors Ouagadougou but rulers must start their kind gesture from somewhere before extending to other territories.
The true God need to start from somewhere by setting up rules and standards which will reflect the type of Godliness.
For your the same God of Burkinabe does not stoop to the level of humans and is able to guide humans not to mistreat strangers!

MaxInDHouse:

It's like aggression is written all over you so go back and read the former post answers to these questions are there.

This is the most bemusing response.
How exactly do these questions indicate aggressiveness?

What is a spirit?
Where is the spirit realm?
How do spirits live?

MaxInDHouse:

Can you enlighten me on the highlighted?

Sentient beings who are more intelligent and powerful than humans could exist in other star systems in the universe. There are enough stars for this to be likely.

The question you avoided remains:
Where is the spiritual realm?

KnownUnknown:

The "God of Burkinabe" gave Godself that title not because if G only favors Ouagadougou but rulers must start their kind gesture from somewhere before extending to other territories.
The true God need to start from somewhere by setting up rules and standards which will reflect the type of Godliness.
For your the same God of Burkinabe does not stoop to the level of humans and is able to guide humans not to mistreat strangers!
This is the most bemusing response.
How exactly do these questions indicate aggressiveness?
What is a spirit?
Where is the spirit realm?
How do spirits live?
Sentient beings who are more intelligent and powerful than humans could exist in other star systems in the universe. There are enough stars for this to be likely.
The question you avoided remains:
Where is the spiritual realm?

It's like you're not in the mood for this so let's leave it for some other time.
Thanks for your time!

MaxInDHouse:


It's like you're not in the mood for this so let's leave it for some other time.
Thanks for your time!

I guess.

BrokenEggShell:
My point was not that Trinity is not literally written in the Bible, therefore it doesn't exist.
My point is that the Trinity has no Biblical justification or basis, and thus it is a completely fabricated man-made idea.
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

Indeed, that passage does reference the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. However, it does not say that they are equivalent entities. It does not make any claims about who they are at all. It just mentions their names in a particular order. Did it say "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, who are actually one entity"? No.

You say "e.g", so I will assume you have more examples. I can promise you here that none of them actually claim that they are equivalent entities.

Interesting!

LordReed:


Where did I hastily generalise when I asked a question?

What is the spiritual realm, can you define it and outline how I can know it exists?

That's why i called it "a presumed fallacy", you presumptively wanted to birth it. i didn't even suggest it.

The kingdom of God is majorly in the spiritual realm(He said my kingdom is not of this world). That kingdom of which most of the Bible is made up is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. And EXCEPT you are born again, you CANNOT see the Kingdom.
Don't just take my words for it, those are the words of the King of the kingdom. i will be struggling explaining colours to the blind and life to the dead.

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That's why i called it "a presumed fallacy", you presumptively wanted to birth it. i didn't even suggest it.

The kingdom of God is majorly in the spiritual realm(He said my kingdom is not of this world). That kingdom of which most of the Bible is made up is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. And EXCEPT you are born again, you CANNOT see the Kingdom.
Don't just take my words for it, those are the words of the King of the kingdom. i will be struggling explaining colours to the blind and life to the dead.

I asked a question for you to clarify I didn't presume anything. But nevermind you've admitted your lack of capacity to achieve what I need so I guess no point in beating the already dead horse.

LordReed:


I asked a question for you to clarify I didn't presume anything. But nevermind you've admitted your lack of capacity to achieve what I need so I guess no point in beating the already dead horse.

Lol at lack of capacity, you overrate your sinful status.

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Lol at lack of capacity, you overrate your sinful status.

Bwahahahahaha!

BrokenEggShell:

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Indeed, that passage does reference the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. However, it does not say that they are equivalent entities. It does not make any claims about who they are at all. It just mentions their names in a particular order. Did it say "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, who are actually one entity"? No.
You say "e.g", so I will assume you have more examples. I can promise you here that none of them actually claim that they are equivalent entities.

Your point are baseless, that scripture is enough to be convinced that they're equalvalent entity and stop being adamant. Look at "john 10:30, act 1:4-8".
My question is if they aren't equalvalent entity will jesus say "i and the father are one or would he command us with matthew 28:19? Think!!!

Men should cut their hairs and beards while women keep theirs long. Pls where is it written?

Obafavour:

Your point are baseless, that scripture is enough to be convinced that they're equalvalent entity and stop being adamant. Look at "john 10:30, act 1:4-8".
My question is if they aren't equalvalent entity will jesus say "i and the father are one or would he command us with matthew 28:19? Think!!!

Baseless?
Well, I asked you for more scriptures and you delivered, so I won't complain.


John 10:30
I and the Father are one.


This one is either intentional deception on your part or simple laziness. The entire story that that passage comes from even disproves the Trinity, but pulling out convenient verses without reading the entire book will not allow you a complete understanding. The entire incident is from verse 22 to verse 42, which I will dump here:

22 Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter,
23 and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade.
24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me,
26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.
27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are one.”
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him,
32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’?
35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside—
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.
38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.
40 Then Jesus went back across the Jordan to the place where John had been baptizing in the early days. There he stayed,
41 and many people came to him. They said, “Though John never performed a sign, all that John said about this man was true.”
42 And in that place many believed in Jesus.

Notice that, in the entire scripture, Jesus consistently emphasizes that his works come from the Father and by the Father's authority. He indirectly declares that he is the Messiah, and the son of God. He also indirectly states that he is lesser than the Father - at least in authority. After all, it is in the Father's name that he works miracles, it is the Father that gives his disciples to him, and it is his Father that preserves their place with the Father, guiding them against those who would turn them away. He states that "I and the Father are One" immediately after this, but from what he said before, this cannot mean that they are literally the same. It would contradict what he said before.

The answer here is that Jesus and the Father are one in the sense that they are in agreement, not that they are literally the same. It is further confirmed by what he says later in verse 36. He states that God set HIM apart as "his very own" and sent HIM into the world. These are obviously not referring to the same people. Finally, he states that "the Father is in me, and I in the Father", which makes even less sense if you are saying that Jesus is the same thing as God. What it instead means is that Jesus and God share core essences or attributes. Jesus is referred to constantly as "the Word of God", that is, the spoken decree of God.


Acts 1:4-8

I don't understand what you mean here. Where does he claim that he is the same as the Father.

Trousers are 4 men while skirts are 4 women. Which bible verse?

@brokeneggshell
I'll keep saying it that your point is baseless and you lack understanding of the bible.
Thank God you said Jesus is the word of God so i refer you to "john 1:1"
None of your point disproves the trinity, you only use your own logic to misinterprete the bible, Jesus clearly stated that we should baptise in the name of the father, son and holy ghost "matthew 28:19". That has proven that they're three in one and if not so Jesus wouldn't have said that.
No one is saying God the father isn't the greatest but what we mean by "holy trinity" is the three working in one, or don't you understand the meaning of trinity? Think!!!
@brokeneggshell

Obafavour:
@brokeneggshell
I'll keep saying it that your point is baseless and you lack understanding of the bible.
Thank God you said Jesus is the word of God so i refer you to "john 1:1"
None of your point disproves the trinity, you only use your own logic to misinterprete the bible, Jesus clearly stated that we should baptise in the name of the father, son and holy ghost "matthew 28:19". That has proven that they're three in one and if not so Jesus wouldn't have said that.
No one is saying God the father isn't the greatest but what we mean by "holy trinity" is the three working in one, or don't you understand the meaning of trinity? Think!!!
@brokeneggshell

Ok then, explain yourself.
How exactly does Matthew 28:19 suggest that the Trinity exists. Be specific. You haven't given an explanation thus far, you have only just made general statements. How does it prove that they are three in one? Why can't that passage just be him mentioning them? Explain.

BrokenEggShell:


Ok then, explain yourself.
How exactly does Matthew 28:19 suggest that the Trinity exists. Be specific. You haven't given an explanation thus far, you have only just made general statements. How does it prove that they are three in one? Why can't that passage just be him mentioning them? Explain.

That statement isn't difficult for a matured man to reason and understand.
You said what Jesus meant by saying i and the father are one was that they work in agreement. So the word trinity was brought because we were commanded to baptise in the name of the father, son and holy ghost. If those three entity don't work in one and unity or if those three entity aren't God in three persons we won't be commanded to baptise in those three names. Also read "matthew 3:16-19" Just simple logic think!!!
If you don't still get it then forget it.

BrokenEggShell:


Ok then, explain yourself.
How exactly does Matthew 28:19 suggest that the Trinity exists. Be specific. You haven't given an explanation thus far, you have only just made general statements. How does it prove that they are three in one? Why can't that passage just be him mentioning them? Explain.

God is the father, jesus is the son and holy spirit is the spirit "matthew 28:19", they work in one none of them does things without the agreement of the three entities. Or would you say they're different entity entirely? No!! And john 1:1 made us know that the word was God and Jesus is the word. God, Jesus and Holy Ghost are one. Simple!!!
John 1:1-5 made us know God created everything with word and the word is jesus and the word was God which means jesus was God. Gen 1:2 made us know that the spirit of God was there when everything was created and the spirit is the holy ghost. There are a lot of bible passages that proves the trinity.

emmyskies:


"Heaven helps those who help themselves"

That's a good one.