Tee_Jay:

of course it is not! But the pastor is not supposed to investigate every parishioners paycheck to determine who is thieving or not. I agree that if for some reasons the church suspects the donation is from the proceeds of a crime then they are at liberty to decline it; the same goes for the trader at Alaba market who swindles his clients or the NNPC secretary who forges her timesheet,

Tee_Jay:

of course it is not! But the pastor is not supposed to investigate every parishioners paycheck to determine who is thieving or not. I agree that if for some reasons the church suspects the donation is from the proceeds of a crime then they are at liberty to decline it; the same goes for the trader at Alaba market who swindles his clients or the NNPC secretary who forges her timesheet,

I dislike double standard to the core and you are only getting emotional because the church was mentioned.I'm talking from a political and moral aspect not a religion win or lose one.Just one question for you. Is stolen money justified to pay tithe either in mosque or church ? What moral values do religion bodies hold when it comes to corruption ? should they support or oppose it ? Gain from the proceeds or turn it down ? !

brainpulse:

But a pastor can question and reject it when in doubt.

Samuel rejected the offering of saul when he disobeyed God- He questioned him to know maybe he actually obeyed God. Paul wrote to the churches on the same topic in his epistles. If He actually have the spirit of God, He has every right to question the tithes and offering because they have bad implication on the alter.

Waziri is not out of point. If my tithe increased from 10,000 to 100,000- My pastor will call me and politely question me. But if he suspect that i am not clean. he advices me to repent and retrace my step.
The war on corruption cannot be won overnight. though we know alot of them still roaming the streets and we feel that she is not taking action- we may not know about investigations going on underground to have a solid case against them in the court of law.

What is wrong is wrong.
Men of God are God care-takers and if they close their eyes on crimes them we are going to be sharing from there sufferings

Claus:

Perhaps when laws like the U.K.'s Proceeds of Crime Act come into play in Nigeria, then people and organisations in general will be a bit more curious about the dubious sources of the money they receive.  

I dislike double standard to the core and you are only getting emotional because the church was mentioned.I'm talking from a political and moral aspect not a religion win or lose one.Just one question for you. Is stolen money justified to pay tithe either in mosque or church ? What moral values do religion bodies hold when it comes to corruption ? should they support or oppose it ? Gain from the proceeds or turn it down ? !

chines4:

I just don't understand why government agencies can't just do their job. Not only churches what about the herbalists, town unions, the spouse of the individuals involved, BF,GF etc

M M M:

what of mosque?

bisiaet:

Ok Mr Bluetooth I get your point clear now but as well you need to get my point clear. I'm not getting emotional for any reason because church was mentioned if you read my earliest post you will see what I said as per tithe of a things to be frank either from right source or stolen source I personally dislike the way men of God go pink or blue in their face yelling for tithe to satisfy their gluttonous desire for wealth.

Coming to your question as per if it is right or wrong collecting tithe from these well known corrupt men in a real sense it is WRONG ABSOLUTELY no question about that. But in other way there is no way EFCC can not tell church to investigate them because the man on the pulpit is cash drunk, the man as Imam is cash conscious. All I expect from EFCC is to encouage the Church and Mosque to shun such tithe because they are loot cash that is if that is possible because it is a big question of moral conscienceness. God bless

I pity Nigerians. We don't seem to know the difference between Moral obligation and Legal Obligations.

Government has the right to regulate the operation of the church under laws.

This is document is from Internal revenue Service, UK. Read it and enlighten yourselves on how thing are done in civilized countries. Not to open mouth bla-bla-bla. We don't think before we talk.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf (UNITED STATES INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE)

and

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/gift_aid/rules/church-coll.htm (UNITED KINGDOM HM REVENUE AND CUSTOM)

Only in Nigeria do we try to regulate churches then people open their mouths to say rubbish. Be there let people use your head.

luluosas (m)

I can't believe my eyes, seeing what you are spewing out. So, if I am a 419, it shouldn't be of interest to my pastor. This is terrible!

islamrules:

Why cant you balance the equation by showing us how Saudi and Iraq audit there mosque revenues.
US and UK are not the only country in the world. We are not using the same account, federal revenue and treasury. Or have we joined our federal reserve with that of US, may be we are operating the same account like husband and wife lol

Biggie9:

Waziri is a fool and very silly.she should concentrate on her muslim faith and not to make reckless statements about xtianity.dont politicians n others donate to islamic affairs?when Nasfat was launching fountain university oshogbo didnt all sort of people donate for d islamic university.did she ask them where they got their money from.
I blame GEJ for allowing all these illitrate muslim bigots n fanatics like boko haram,sanusi and waziri hold the country hostage.
Ex Governors who have stolen billions havent even been invited for questioning talkless of being charged,yet d silly Waziri has d gut to try to divert peoples attention to churches by labelling them as receivers of stolen wealth.
May God punish her generation.If she is not fit for her position let her resign rather than throw blanket accusations.

philip0906:

no mind d murrafuckas. . .like i said earlier on,It logically means that every business or non profit organisations should report to the efcc transactions that run into million or thousands

islamrules:

Why cant you balance the equation by showing us how Saudi and Iraq audit there mosque revenues.
US and UK are not the only country in the world. We are not using the same account, federal revenue and treasury. Or have we joined our federal reserve with that of US, may be we are operating the same account like husband and wife lol

philip0906:

no mind them. . .very soon they will tell us to copy britain and establish child care services to stop parents 4rm beating their children(only 4 our kids 2 turn looters) we have confused leaders in this country who go about killing chicken by using razor blade.D most disgusting thing is dat d ediot is a freaking muslim

Kobojunkie:


I am going to go out on a limb here and declare you are probably one of those who allows his sentiments cloud his judgement. How in the world do you, pray tell, espect a pastor to, I don't know, POLICE the money that is dropped off in the tithe box in churches?

You expect a pastor to add the question "Did you earn this money legitimately?" to the collection Envelope? Will that be one of your WISE suggestions here?

Look? We already have government agencies that we ENTRUST with the duty of ensuring that money earned by individual nigerians, are done so legitimately. What do we have the, yes, EFCC, Internal Revenue Service, police, etc for. Unless you are willing to have this lady open up all her resources on individuals who attend particular churches to the Pastors, I suggest . . . .

Pastors are not there to do the job of the IRS or the EFCC. It is not the pastor's job to POLICE the congregation. If the EFCC or the POLICE establishes that there are members of a particular church involved in one crime or another, the EFCC and POLICE(not the Pastor) should SWOOP in and ensure those persons, whether members of the Rotary Club, Pirates Cult, or any church, be dealth with as required by law.

Kobojunkie:


I am going to go out on a limb here and declare you are probably one of those who allows his sentiments cloud his judgement. How in the world do you, pray tell, espect a pastor to, I don't know, POLICE the money that is dropped off in the tithe box in churches?

You expect a pastor to add the question "Did you earn this money legitimately?" to the collection Envelope? Will that be one of your WISE suggestions here?

Look? We already have government agencies that we ENTRUST with the duty of ensuring that money earned by individual nigerians, are done so legitimately. What do we have the, yes, EFCC, Internal Revenue Service, police, etc for. Unless you are willing to have this lady open up all her resources on individuals who attend particular churches to the Pastors, I suggest . . . .

Pastors are not there to do the job of the IRS or the EFCC. It is not the pastor's job to POLICE the congregation. If the EFCC or the POLICE establishes that there are members of a particular church involved in one crime or another, the EFCC and POLICE(not the Pastor) should SWOOP in and ensure those persons, whether members of the Rotary Club, Pirates Cult, or any church, be dealth with as required by law.

Kalman:

Oya tell us who to follow na?

Who introduce the church in the first place? Is it iraq or Iran?

Kalman:

In a nice and polite sermon. Please if you have earned you money legitimately, then you can pay your tithe. If not the wrought og the lord will befall a dubious man. How does that sound for a pastor?