Many Christians elevated Jesus to a God-man i.e. 100% God and 100% man at the same time. Jesus, the son of man, never for once call himself "God the son". We read the Phrase "God the father" about 120 times in the New testament only! But never for once can you see "God the son".

So how can Jesus be God and yet Human? This Christians say Jesus had both a divine and human parts. Yet we read:

1. “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

From the above we see that only the father is omniscient! Jesus (both his divine and human part) do not know all things! Even the Holy Spirit is not Omniscient!

2. Jesus said " the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)
How can the father be greater than Jesus when they are supposed to be co-equal in Trinity? Jesus is 100% human and 100% God remember? How can the father who is 100% God be greater than Jesus?
Makes no sense!

3.For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5

This was Timothy speaking calling Jesus a (100%) man not God!

4. In John 1:18, No one has ever seen God....!

What about Jesus? Is he not God anymore?

5. Jesus was protected by his human parents from birth! God had to send an Angel to warn them to flee!
Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.”Matthew 2:13

Was God afraid he would be killed by the evil king that he had to warn his parent to protect him?

Yes you are right
And if you say am wrong, you are write as well

AntiChristian:

So how can Jesus be God and yet Human? This Christians say Jesus had both a divine and human parts. Yet we read:

Stupid blasphemer when man enters his mascot, does he stop being a man?

Solofresh2:
Yes you are right
And if you say am wrong, you are write as well

This is more than a "typo". It is asinine!

Dtruthspeaker:


Stupid blasphemer when man enters his mascot, does he stop being a man?

Abeg, answer the OP or keep mute!

AntiChristian:


Abeg, answer the OP or keep mute!

Answer my questions to get the answer.

Muhammed is not a prophet but a man.

Someone that died and resurrected as he said and as prophecied is not divine, he was born of a virgin's womb still not divine, he is alive as their holy book says but according to him he is not divine, etc.. Some people thiking faulty needs urgent attention

Dtruthspeaker:


Answer my questions to get the answer.

This is the thread i created. Create yours and lord over it.

AntiChristian:


This is the thread i created. Create yours and lord over it.

But you could run to the admin to delete TenQ's post.

Shameless hater of the TRUTH!

Is the Word of Allah Devine or terrestrial?
Is the Spirit of Allah Devine or terrestrial?

When Jesus died, did the Word of Allah die?
When Jesus died, did the spirit of Allah die?
I am certain you will avoid answering the question above.

Without LIES, Islam crumbles!

I don't understand what you are tyring to achieve by saying Yeshua is not a deity. Why can't HE be both? As in 100% deity and 100% human.

You cannot just extract few passages in the scriptures to understand a serious and complicated subject as the deity of Christ. You have to consider the WHOLE of scriptures to unravel the complexities surrounding deity and humanity of Christ.


By plain common sense bible reading understanding: HE was born of a virigin mary (human) by the HOLY SPIRIT (GOD). ERGO: 100 % human and 100% GOD. HIS essense is divine BUT the earthly vessel it came in is Human. SIMPLE!!!!!!

HIS use of "son of GOD or son of man" was merely an anthropomorphic way of describing HIS relationship with the 1st of GOD Head (GOD the father).

It is akin to when scriptures say: ears, eyes, heart, hands or feet of GOD. NOW, we know GOD as none of those body parts. BUT it is just an allegorical representation symbolising that GOD indeed does hear, see, feel, do, walk etc...


The scriptural evidence for his deity is overwhelming and favours HIM being both deity and man.

May I remind you that the reason HE was crucified was because HE claimed to GOD and did and claimed things ONLY GOD can do. HE forgave sins. IF you simple understand the OLD covenant laws, there's NO WAY, a mere mortal man can be perfect to DIE for the sins of the world as a perfect sacrifice.

HE was there from the beginning of the world; co-creator with the 1st of Triune GOD (GOD the father). THE image of the invinsible GOD.
HE was called GOD from before HE was incarnated (Isaiah 9: 6); GOD with us (Matt 1:21).

Here are "some" scriptures evidence for HIS deity.

“The Son of God” (Luke 22:20) (John 5:18) “The Only Begotten Son” (not created) (John 1:18 3:16) “The First and the Last” (Revelation 1:7) Compare: (Isaiah 41:4) “The Alpha and the Omega” “The Beginning and the End” (Revelation 22:13) “The Holy One” (Acts 3:14) Compare: (Hosea 11:9) “The Lord” (Luke 2:11) (Matthew 22:43-45) Compare: (Psalm 110:1) (Philippians 2:11) Compare: (Malachi 3:1)*(“The Lord” is used specifically of Jesus several hundred times.) “The Lord of Glory” (Acts 10:36) Compare: (Psalm 24:8-10) “God with us” (Matthew 1:21) Compare: (Isaiah 9:6) “God” (Hebrews 1:8. “Our Great God” (Titus 2:13) “God blessed forever” (Romans 9:5)

HE is fully GOD and fully Man. End of Story. QED.

NairaLTQ:

But you could run to the admin to delete TenQ's post.

May God punish you for telling lies on me! Na so una dey tell lies open multiple accounts here. What

Shameless hater of the TRUTH!

Is the Word of Allah Devine or terrestrial?
Is the Spirit of Allah Devine or terrestrial?

When Jesus died, did the Word of Allah die?
When Jesus died, did the spirit of Allah die?
I am certain you will avoid answering the question above.

Without LIES, Islam crumbles!

Perish in your lie as i never met anyone to delete any post!
Holy Spirit liars!

All these to escape answering the question I asked!?

Your English comprehension.... Does you mean Antichristian or YOU as you concerned muslims on NL!?

AntiChristian:


May God punish you for telling lies on me! Na so una dey tell lies open multiple accounts here. What



Perish in your lie as i never met anyone to delete any post!
Holy Spirit liars!

So, back to my Questions:

I said: Shameless hater of the TRUTH!

1. Is the Word of Allah Devine or terrestrial?
2. Is the Spirit of Allah Devine or terrestrial?

3. When Jesus died, did the Word of Allah die?
4. When Jesus died, did the spirit of Allah die?
I am certain you will avoid answering the question above.



Without LIES, Islam crumbles!

AntiChristian:
Many Christians elevated Jesus to a God-man i.e. 100% God and 100% man at the same time. Jesus, the son of man, never for once call himself "God the son". We read the Phrase "God the father" about 120 times in the New testament only! But never for once can you see "God the son".

Its from inductive and deductive reasonings, how believers know that Jesus, the Son of man (i.e. Son of man, means God Incarnate, as meaning, God in human body flesh), is God projecting Himself out exist concurrently exist as God the son. God the son, in the sense that God with the cooperation of Mary was physically birthed, and so legally entered through the door on to each lawfully. No protocol, no rules, no established codes et cetera were broken or violated

AntiChristian:
So how can Jesus be God and yet Human? This Christians say Jesus had both a divine and human parts. Yet we read:

1. “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

From the above we see that only the father is omniscient! Jesus (both his divine and human part) do not know all things! Even the Holy Spirit is not Omniscient!

Sura 3:47-48
'47Mary wondered,
“My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has ever touched me?”
An angel replied,
“So will it be. Allah creates what He wills.
When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, ‘Be!’ And it is!
48And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,'

It isnt an impossible feat for God to do, meaning it is not something hard for God to have Jesus be God and yet Human at the same time (i.e. combining the state of being divine with state of being human)

Now God never had any form of physical or sexual relations with Mary, but rather what God did, was to will it supernaturally, that Mary would become the Earthly mother of God (i.e. Jesus) while still being a virgin. (i.e. Surah 3:47-48 above)

AntiChristian:
2. Jesus said " the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)
How can the father be greater than Jesus when they are supposed to be co-equal in Trinity? Jesus is 100% human and 100% God remember? How can the father who is 100% God be greater than Jesus?
Makes no sense!

Philippians 2:6-7
'6Christ was truly God.
But He did not try to remain equal with God.
7Instead He gave up everything and became a slave,
when He became like one of us.'

At any rate, fathers always command respect from sons, and Jesus isnt an exception to this rule

AntiChristian:
3.For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5

This was Timothy speaking calling Jesus a (100%) man not God!

If you want, a thing done well, do it yourself, and so that is exactly, what God did. Jesus Christ, God Incarnate carried out the DIY.

AntiChristian:
4. In John 1:18, No one has ever seen God....!

What about Jesus? Is he not God anymore?

It is true that no one has ever seen God. Yes, no human being, as set eyes on God's face.
Jesus, is eternally God.

AntiChristian:
5. Jesus was protected by his human parents from birth! God had to send an Angel to warn them to flee!
Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.”Matthew 2:13

Was God afraid he would be killed by the evil king that he had to warn his parent to protect him?

Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, was on earth 2000 years ago for a purpose, and the reason for God being on earth 2000 years ago wasnt for God to die in infancy, and definitely not to killed by Herod at that such tender age

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

The Divinity of Yeshua- The ONLY one who fulfilled the requirement for a perfect sinless sacrifice for the sins of the world. (A human could not be perfect only GOD can/is.)

Jesus implicitly ascribed this divine name to himself during a confrontation He had with a group of hostile Jews. [/b]He said, “I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58)

[b]Jesus Christ possesses divine names—names that can only be used of God. For example: Jesus is Yahweh, as is the case in passages like Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 12:3, and Philippians 2:5–11.


Jesus is also explicitly called “God” in Scripture (Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8. And He, too, has all the attributes of deity—including being everywhere-present (Matthew 28:20), all-knowing (Matthew 9:4), all-powerful (Matthew 28:18), holy (Acts 3:14), and eternal (Revelation 1:8, 17).

Jesus is recognized as both Yahweh and Elohim in the prophecy in Isaiah 40:3: “Prepare the way of the Lord [Yahweh]; make straight in the desert a highway for our God [Elohim].” This verse was written in reference to John the Baptist preparing for the coming of Christ (as confirmed in John 1:23) and represents one of the strongest affirmations of Christ’s deity in the Old Testament. In Isaiah 9:6, we likewise read a prophecy of Christ with a singular variant (El) of Elohim: “And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God [El], Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

In this passage, Thomas witnesses the resurrected Christ and worshipfully responds: “My Lord and my God [Theos]” (John 20:28).

Jesus is eternal. John 1:1 affirms: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The word was in this verse is an imperfect tense, indicating continuous, ongoing existence. When the timespace universe came into being, Christ already existed (Hebrews 1:8–11).

Jesus is self-existent. As the Creator of all things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2), Christ himself must be uncreated. Colossians 1:17 tells us that Christ is “before all things, and in Him all things consist.”

Jesus is everywhere-present. Christ promised His disciples, “Where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them” (Matthew 18:20). Since people all over the world gather in Christ’s name, the only way He could be present with them all is if He is truly omnipresent (see Matthew 28:20; Ephesians 1:23, 4:10; Colossians 3:11).

Jesus is all-knowing. Jesus knew where the fish were in the water (Luke 5:4, 6; John 21:6–11), and He knew just which fish contained the coin (Matthew 17:27). He knew the future (John 11:11, 18:4), specific details that would be encountered (Matthew 21:2–4), and knew from a distance that Lazarus had died (John 11:14). He also knows the Father as the Father knows Him (Matthew 11:27; John 7:29, 8:55, 10:15, 17:25).

Jesus is all-powerful. [/b]Christ created the entire universe (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2) and sustains the universe by His own power (Colossians 1:17; Hebrews 1:3). During His earthly ministry, He exercised power over nature (Luke 8:25), physical diseases (Mark 1:29–31), demonic spirits (Mark 1:32–34), and even death (John 11:1–44).

[b]Jesus is sovereign. Christ presently sits at the right hand of God the Father, “angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him” (1 Peter 3:22). When Christ comes again in glory, He will be adorned with a majestic robe, and on the thigh section of the robe will be the words, “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 19:16).

[b]Jesus is sinless. [/b]Jesus challenged Jewish leaders: “Which of you convicts Me of sin?” (John 8:46). The apostle Paul referred to Jesus as “Him who knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus is one who “loved righteousness and hated lawlessness” (Hebrews 1:9), was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15), and was “holy, harmless, [and] undefiled” (Hebrews 7:26).

Jesus was worshiped [/b]on many occasions in the New Testament. He accepted worship from Thomas (John 20:28), the angels (Hebrews 1:6), some wise men (Matthew 2:11), a leper (Matthew 8:2), a ruler (Matthew 9:18), a blind man (John 9:38), an anonymous woman (Matthew 15:25), Mary Magdalene (Matthew 28:9), and the disciples (Matthew 28:17).

Scripture is emphatic that only God can be worshiped (Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 6:13; Matthew 4:10). In view of this, the fact that both humans and angels worshiped Jesus on numerous occasions shows He is God.

Jesus forgave sins; only GOD can forgive sins. (Luke 5:20m Luke 7:47-48).

[b]Jesus is GOD by virtue of the facts that He has the names of God, the attributes of God, and the authority of God; He does the works of God; and He is worshiped as God. We have also seen persuasive scriptural evidences for the doctrine of the Trinity. Our triune God is an awesome God!

Source: answersingenesis.org

Answers to your objections to deity of Yeshua.


Cults and false religions often raise objections against both the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity. In what follows, key objections will be briefly summarized and answered.

Jesus Is the Son of God
Some claim that because Jesus is the Son of God, He must be a lesser God than God the Father. Among the ancients, however, an important meaning of Son of is “one who has the same nature as.” Jesus, as the Son of God, has the very nature of God (John 5:18, 10:30, 19:7). He is thus not a lesser God.

The Father Is “Greater” Than Jesus
Some cults argue that because Jesus said the Father is “greater” than Him (John 14:28), this must mean Jesus is a lesser God. Biblically, however, Jesus is equal with the Father in His divine nature (John 10:30). He was positionally lower than the Father from the standpoint of His becoming a servant by taking on human likeness (Philippians 2:6–11). Positionally, then, the Father was “greater” than Jesus.

Jesus Is the Firstborn
Some cults argue that because Jesus is the “firstborn of creation” (Colossians 1:15), He is a created being and hence cannot be truly God. Biblically, however, Christ was not created but is the Creator (Colossians 1:16; John 1:3). The term firstborn, defined biblically, means Christ is “first in rank” and “preeminent” over the creation He brought into being.

Jesus Is Not All-Knowing
Some cults argue that because Jesus said no one knows the day or hour of His return except the Father (Mark 13:32), Jesus must not be all-knowing, and hence He must not be truly God. In response, Jesus in the Gospels sometimes spoke from the perspective of His divinity and at other times from the perspective of His humanity. In Mark 13:32, Jesus was speaking from the limited perspective of His humanity (see Philippians 2:5–11). Had he been speaking from His divinity, He would not have said He did not know the day or hour. Other verses show that Christ, as God, knows all things (Matthew 17:27; Luke 5:4–6; John 2:25, 16:30, 21:17).

Jesus Prayed
Some cults argue that because Jesus prayed to the Father, He could not truly be God. Biblically, however, it was in His humanity that Christ prayed to the Father. Since Christ came as a man—and since one of the proper duties of man is to worship, pray to, and adore God—it was perfectly proper for Jesus to address the Father in prayer. Positionally speaking as a man, as a Jew, and as our High Priest—“in all things He had to be made like His brethren” (Hebrews 2:17)—Jesus could pray to the Father. But this in no way detracts from His intrinsic deity.

1 Timothy 2:5: addressing his humanity as the mediator does NOT take away from HIS divinity.

John 1:18: read the whole chapter for context; it began "in the beginning was the word, the word was with GOD, and the word was God"... The WORD is CHRIST. And if you read further down, it explains HE is the light sent from Heaven, the one who sits beside the throne of GOD (Hebrews 1:3, 12:2, 1 Peter 3:22, Acts 7:55-56). So, cleary, CHRIST HAS SEEN GOD BECAUSE HE IS GOD.

Mathew 2:13: You could also say if HE is GOD why did HE allow HIMSELF to be crucified? HE could have had angels come and destory all those seeking to kill him. But HE did not. Same reason HE did not do any miracles as a baby or even as a young adult up untill his 30s. It is the same reason HE instead informed HIS parents to flee Egypt rather than destroy Herod or cause him to go blind, or mute or lame. Because, it was meant to fulfil a divine objective. End of Story.
b][/b]

AntiChristian:
Many Christians elevated Jesus to a God-man i.e. 100% God and 100% man at the same time. Jesus, the son of man, never for once call himself "God the son". We read the Phrase "God the father" about 120 times in the New testament only! But never for once can you see "God the son".

So how can Jesus be God and yet Human? This Christians say Jesus had both a divine and human parts. Yet we read:

1. “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

From the above we see that only the father is omniscient! Jesus (both his divine and human part) do not know all things! Even the Holy Spirit is not Omniscient!

2. Jesus said " the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)
How can the father be greater than Jesus when they are supposed to be co-equal in Trinity? Jesus is 100% human and 100% God remember? How can the father who is 100% God be greater than Jesus?
Makes no sense!

3.For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5

This was Timothy speaking calling Jesus a (100%) man not God!

4. In John 1:18, No one has ever seen God....!

What about Jesus? Is he not God anymore?

5. Jesus was protected by his human parents from birth! God had to send an Angel to warn them to flee!
Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.”Matthew 2:13

Was God afraid he would be killed by the evil king that he had to warn his parent to protect him?

NairaLTQ:

But you could run to the admin to delete TenQ's post.

Shameless hater of the TRUTH!

Is the Word of Allah Devine or terrestrial?
Is the Spirit of Allah Devine or terrestrial?

When Jesus died, did the Word of Allah die?
When Jesus died, did the spirit of Allah die?
I am certain you will avoid answering the question above.

Without LIES, Islam crumbles!

When Adam died, did the Word of Allah died?

The "Word" of Allah in this case is the word "Be" that created Jesus in his mother's womb.

The Spirit" of Allah in this case is the Angel that he was strengthen with while he trekked Judea

Oga, use the Quran to run a commentary on the Quran not your whims and deceitful play with words.

Lukuluku69:

When Adam died, did the Word of Allah died?

The "Word" of Allah in this case is the word "Be" that created Jesus in his mother's womb.

The Spirit" of Allah in this case is the Angel that he was strengthen with while he trekked Judea

Oga, use the Quran to run a commentary on the Quran not your whims and deceitful play with words.

First, I must appreciate you for having the courage to even attempt to answer this question.

First, I must make a few corrections:
1. Adam wasn't created by kufayakun "BE"!

i. According to Islamic sources, was Adam not created in time space of 40 years by Allah?
How then can Adam be created by "BE"?
ii. Did Allah not says in the Qur'an that he created Adam with his two hands? So when was the "BE"?
iii. When did Allah say "BE" to Adam? Was it before or after he blew a soul into Adam?
iv. If Adam was created from mud, how can he still be made by "BE"?

You will note that once you answer these four questions truthfully, you will conclude without an iota of doubt that Adam was not created by "BE"!

2. Jesus also did not become flesh by kufayakun "BE"!

i. According to the Qur'an, Jubril an angel (holy spirit) created Jesus BY blowing into Mary's private part!
ii. Did Jesus come to being before or after Jubril blew into Mary? What then was the purpose of blowing if Jesus was to be created by "BE"?

3. Adam is NOT the Word of Allah only Jesus was called "word of Allah". If Adam was ALSO a Word of/from Allah, can you provide EVIDENCES?

4. If Jesus is a Human being like you, me and prophet Muhammad, how is He a Spirit from Allah?
(Does Islam teach that Muslims are also spirits?)



So, back to your questions

Lukuluku69:

When Adam died, did the Word of Allah died?

Adam was NEVER called nor equated to be the Word of Allah. When Adam died, on earth, he became lifeless , his body rot and decayed

Lukuluku69:

The "Word" of Allah in this case is the word "Be" that created Jesus in his mother's womb.

I think I've shown you that Allah or Jubril NEVER said "BE"! Instead, Jubril was blowing into Mary's vag1na private part. Is blowing the same thing as commanding?

Lukuluku69:

The Spirit" of Allah in this case is the Angel that he was strengthen with while he trekked Judea

Read the Qur'an properly Jesus was "a Spirit" from Allah not Jubril. You are quoting another verse which says that Jesus was strengthened with the Holy Spirit (unfortunately, there is no where in the Qur'an where Jubril was called the Holy Spirit: not one single place).

Qur'an 4:171
O people of the Book! Do not exceed the bounds in your religion, and do not attribute anything to Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only an apostle of Allah , and His Word that He cast toward Mary and a spirit from Him. So have faith in Allah and His apostles, and do not say, ‘[God is] a trinity.’ Relinquish [such a creed]! That is better for you. Allah is but the One God. He is far too immaculate to have any son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth, and Allah suffices as trustee.
Here , Jesus is an Apostle AND Allah's Word AND Allah's Spirit.

Secondly, if your statement is true about Jesus needing Jubril to treked to Judea, did Jubril also helped his disciples to do the trekking? LOL!

Lukuluku69:

Oga, use the Quran to run a commentary on the Quran not your whims and deceitful play with words.

I usually use your Hadiths and your Tafsirs to run commentaries on the Qur'an.

But I honestly appreciate your civil response and objection to my post.

I'll be expecting your response!

But then, you still need to answer my set of previous questions:
Is the Word of Allah Devine or terrestrial?
Is the Spirit of Allah Devine or terrestrial?

When Jesus died, did the Word of Allah die?
When Jesus died, did the spirit of Allah die?

TenQ:

First, I must appreciate you for having the courage to even attempt to answer this question.

First, I must make a few corrections:
1. Adam wasn't created by kufayakun "BE"!

i. According to Islamic sources, was Adam not created in time space of 40 years by Allah?
How then can Adam be created by "BE"?
ii. Did Allah not says in the Qur'an that he created Adam with his two hands? So when was the "BE"?
iii. When did Allah say "BE" to Adam? Was it before or after he blew a soul into Adam?
iv. If Adam was created from mud, how can he still be made by "BE"?

You will note that once you answer these four questions truthfully, you will conclude without an iota of doubt that Adam was not created by "BE"!

2. Jesus also did not become flesh by kufayakun "BE"!

i. According to the Qur'an, Jubril an angel (holy spirit) created Jesus BY blowing into Mary's private part!
ii. Did Jesus come to being before or after Jubril blew into Mary? What then was the purpose of blowing if Jesus was to be created by "BE"?

3. Adam is NOT the Word of Allah only Jesus was called "word of Allah". If Adam was ALSO a Word of/from Allah, can you provide EVIDENCES?

4. If Jesus is a Human being like you, me and prophet Muhammad, how is He a Spirit from Allah?
(Does Islam teach that Muslims are also spirits?)



So, back to your questions

Adam was NEVER called nor equated to be the Word of Allah. When Adam died, on earth, he became lifeless , his body rot and decayed


I think I've shown you that Allah or Jubril NEVER said "BE"! Instead, Jubril was blowing into Mary's vag1na private part. Is blowing the same thing as commanding?


Read the Qur'an properly Jesus was "a Spirit" from Allah not Jubril. You are quoting another verse which says that Jesus was strengthened with the Holy Spirit (unfortunately, there is no where in the Qur'an where Jubril was called the Holy Spirit: not one single place).

Qur'an 4:171
O people of the Book! Do not exceed the bounds in your religion, and do not attribute anything to Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only an apostle of Allah , and His Word that He cast toward Mary and a spirit from Him. So have faith in Allah and His apostles, and do not say, ‘[God is] a trinity.’ Relinquish [such a creed]! That is better for you. Allah is but the One God. He is far too immaculate to have any son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth, and Allah suffices as trustee.
Here , Jesus is an Apostle AND Allah's Word AND Allah's Spirit.

Secondly, if your statement is true about Jesus needing Jubril to treked to Judea, did Jubril also helped his disciples to do the trekking? LOL!


I usually use your Hadiths and your Tafsirs to run commentaries on the Qur'an.

But I honestly appreciate your civil response and objection to my post.

I'll be expecting your response!

But then, you still need to answer my set of previous questions:
Is the Word of Allah Devine or terrestrial?
Is the Spirit of Allah Devine or terrestrial?

When Jesus died, did the Word of Allah die?
When Jesus died, did the spirit of Allah die?

First of, I have a Phobia for your kind of long reads. Long windy write-ups are a turn off for me. Try to be concise.

I guess you have not come across the verse " the likeness of Jesus is like that of Adam we created him and say Be! and he was"!

You see there is a challenge here, try as much as possible to use the Quran as commentary of the Quran and you won't have the kind of issues you are having. A "Spirit" can also mean a Prophet, an Angel. So, a "Spirit" from Alllah (Arabic Rouh) can also mean a "Prophet"

If you want to confirm this, open your Bible and read the description of the "Cormfoter" that will come after Jesus. He/it was called The Spirit of Truth.

Like I told you, Jesus came to be by the "Word of Allah" of Be! ( Kun fa ya Kun) that is the way the Quran potrays it. Whatever meaning you read into it is yours only.

And if you have not find where Angel Jibril was called a "Spirit" then you need more readings for Jubril was called Rouh Namis ( Spirit of Truth)

Asking me if the Word of Allah is Divine or Terrestrial or the Spirit of Allah is Divine or terrestrial is a bit blasphemous.

I don't know what you intend to gain with it but one thing I know is that, that attitude is an offshoot of early Grecian Christians habit of rationalizing everything as their philosophy taught them. The wherefores ( Whys) will only lead you astray the more. If it is not in the scriptures don't bother your head asking for if it was necessary God's Prophets would have talked about it.

It's the same way I rationalize the bible. God has not called us to blind Faith. The Bible says that we should TEST ALL SPIRITS whether they be of God or not.

Lukuluku69:


First of, I have a Phobia for your kind of long reads. Long windy write-ups are a turn off for me. Try to be concise.

I guess you have not come across the verse " the likeness of Jesus is like that of Adam we created him and say Be! and he was"!

You see there is a challenge here, try as much as possible to use the Quran as commentary of the Quran and you won't have the kind of issues you are having. A "Spirit" can also mean a Prophet, an Angel. So, a "Spirit" from Alllah (Arabic Rouh) can also mean a "Prophet"

If you want to confirm this, open your Bible and read the description of the "Cormfoter" that will come after Jesus. He/it was called The Spirit of Truth.

Like I told you, Jesus came to be by the "Word of Allah" of Be! ( Kun fa ya Kun) that is the way the Quran potrays it. Whatever meaning you read into it is yours only.

And if you have not find where Angel Jibril was called a "Spirit" then you need more readings for Jubril was called Rouh Namis ( Spirit of Truth)

Asking me if the Word of Allah is Divine or Terrestrial or the Spirit of Allah is Divine or terrestrial is a bit blasphemous.

I don't know what you intend to gain with it but one thing I know is that, that attitude is an offshoot of early Grecian Christians habit of rationalizing everything as their philosophy taught them. The wherefores ( Whys) will only lead you astray the more. If it is not in the scriptures don't bother your head asking for if it was necessary God's Prophets would have talked about it.

Okay, one at a time

1. You said Adam was created by BE, but I am showing you by the Qur'an it isn't true.
Qur'an 38:75
(Allah) said: "O Iblis! What prevents thee from prostrating thyself to one whom I have created with my hands? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?"

Allah created Adam with his two hands and not BE!

Qur'an 38:71-74
“[So mention] when your Lord said to the angels, ‘Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay. So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration.’ So the angels prostrated – all of them entirely. Except Iblees; he was arrogant and became among the disbelievers.”

Here from the Qur'an, Adam was not created from BE. Adam was created first from clay and then Allah breath into him.

Is this a contradiction with creation by BE?

Answering my questions would have led you to the truth!

Lukuluku69:

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Asking me if the Word of Allah is Divine or Terrestrial or the Spirit of Allah is Divine or terrestrial is a bit blasphemous.
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It is not blasphemous one bit.

If the Word of Allah, the Spirit of Allah, the Power of Allah or the knowledge of Allah are ALL ATTRIBUTES of Allah, are they Terrestrial or Devine?

It is the answer you give that makes it blasphemous or not blasphemous: isn't it?

TenQ:

It is not blasphemous one bit.

If the Word of Allah, the Spirit of Allah, the Power of Allah or the knowledge of Allah are ALL ATTRIBUTES of Allah, are they Terrestrial or Devine?

It is the answer you give that makes it blasphemous or not blasphemous: isn't it?

I do not know whether the Word of Allah, The Spirit of Allah nor the Power of Allah are Divine or Terrestrial.

So, I won't be able to answer that question of yours but if you see anywhere in the Quran or Haditha where it say such, bring it and let us see.

And please don't quote the words of any Mallam or Tafsir. It should be from the Quran or Hadiths.

TenQ:
It's the same way I rationalize the bible. God has not called us to blind Faith. The Bible says that we should TEST ALL SPIRITS whether they be of God or not.


Okay, one at a time

1. You said Adam was created by BE, but I am showing you by the Qur'an it isn't true.
Qur'an 38:75
(Allah) said: "O Iblis! What prevents thee from prostrating thyself to one whom I have created with my hands? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?"

Allah created Adam with his two hands and not BE!

Qur'an 38:71-74
“[So mention] when your Lord said to the angels, ‘Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay. So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration.’ So the angels prostrated – all of them entirely. Except Iblees; he was arrogant and became among the disbelievers.”

Here from the Qur'an, Adam was not created from BE. Adam was created first from clay and then Allah breath into him.

Is this a contradiction with creation by BE?

Answering my questions would have led you to the truth!

Read some more and you will find the part where Adam was created by the Word "Be"!

I told you that the Quran says " the likeness of Isa and Adam is in the Word "Be!

I need not quote it since you know your way around the Quran. Search some more. And like I told you, use the Quran to run a commentary on it.

Most of your posers are not really posers for you will readily find your answers in the Book!

"Surely, in the sight of Allah, the similitude of the creation of Jesus is as the creation of Adam whom He created out of dust, and then said: 'Be', and he was" Quran 3:59

Lukuluku69:


And if you have not find where Angel Jibril was called a "Spirit" then you need more readings for Jubril was called Rouh Namis ( Spirit of Truth)

I know of
Rūḥ al-qudus AND Ar-rūḥ al-amin in the Qur'an and[b] I challenge you to show me just one verse[/b] in the Qur'an that says that the Ruh is Jubril.

Secondly, look at the verse below and show me it makes sense when we substitute Ruh with Jubril.

Qur'an 21:91
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit Jubril , and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Did Jubril ENTER INTO Mary?

The answer to this prove beyond doubt whether this Ruh is Jubril or not!

Lukuluku69:


Read some more and you will find the part where Adam was created by the Word "Be"!

I told you that the Quran says " the likeness of Isa and Adam is in the Word "Be!

I need not quote it since you know your way around the Quran. Search some more. And like I told you, use the Quran to run a commentary on it.

Most of your posers are not really posers for you will readily find your answers in the Book!

"Surely, in the sight of Allah, the similitude of the creation of Jesus is as the creation of Adam whom He created out of dust, and then said: 'Be', and he was" Quran 3:59

You are not getting the point. If Allah created ANYTHING by the Command BE, he needn't do ANYTHING thing before or after to make that thing EXIST!

Of I say that Allah gave me the the power to speak a vehicle into existence but you saw me welding, grinding and screwing metals together, would you agree with me that I have the power of Allah to speak into existence a vehicle?

Allah says in creating Adam
1. He used his two hands to create him
2. He used clay to make him
3. Then he blew into Adam a soul!

Later we hear that Allah says BE (Qur'an 3:59) and Adam was: this is either an error or contradiction.


Let me give you an example of BE in creation.
Gen 1:3,11:
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. … And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth: and it was so."

Are you not a true Muslim?
You are to be guided by the Qur'an, the Hadiths, the Sunnah .
What did prophet Mohammad say about Ibn Abbas with respect to knowledge of the Tafsir of the Qur'an? Should you muslims ignore the prayer of your prophet?

Don't restrict me to using any of your books: they are your religious books aren't they?.
If Hadiths and Tafsirs are bad, why do you Muslims use them at all?

Lukuluku69:


I do not know whether the Word of Allah, The Spirit of Allah nor the Power of Allah are Divine or Terrestrial.

So, I won't be able to answer that question of yours but if you see anywhere in the Quran or Haditha where it say such, bring it and let us see.

And please don't quote the words of any Mallam or Tafsir. It should be from the Quran or Hadiths.

Honestly, This is Taqqiyya from you!

You don't know if the attributes of Allah are eternal!?

Is it possible for Allah to exist without his attributes and still be Almighty Allah?
Are the attributes of Allah existing before Allah?

Tell me again by Allah that you do NOT know if the attributes of Allah are eternal or not!

TenQ:
Are you not a true Muslim?
You are to be guided by the Qur'an, the Hadiths, the Sunnah .
What did prophet Mohammad say about Ibn Abbas with respect to knowledge of the Tafsir of the Qur'an? Should you muslims ignore the prayer of your prophet?

Don't restrict me to using any of your books: they are your religious books aren't they?.
If Hadiths and Tafsirs are bad, why do you Muslims use them at all?



Honestly, This is Taqqiyya from you!

You don't know if the attributes of Allah are eternal!?

Is it possible for Allah to exist without his attributes and still be Almighty Allah?
Are the attributes of Allah existing before Allah?

Tell me again by Allah that you do NOT know if the attributes of Allah are eternal or not!

Of course I am Muslim.

So what exactly did the Prophet say about ibn Abass Tafsir? Did he say Ibn Abbas Tafsir take precedent over the Quran or the Hadiths?

I am. Not restricting you to other sources. No, I am not doing that, what I meant to point out to you is the fact that when you present your evidences, try as much as possible to appeal the the Quran and the Hadiths. Human commentaries are sometimes subject to err and ate sometimes subject to different Agenda and I am not after anyone's agenda. This you can see with different Translations and different versions of your own Book the Bible.

What are the attributes of Allah to start with? This you can find in the Muslims' Ninety Nine Names of Allah. He the Seeing, The Hearing, The Merciful, The Forgiving, The Patient, The Destroyer, The Creator and so on.

Asking me if Allah can exist without His attributes or exist without being the Almighty is kinda of funny. Knowing such or the lack of knowledge thereof doesn't in any remove fact that He is what He is. He doesn't affect my Faith and this kind of excercise is in futility.

What has my knowledge of Allah attributes being ETETNAL or not go to do with what we are discussing?

Allah is As-Samad The Eternal Absolute. So? Read the Quran, He said He is Eternal. Why are you asking me again?

And talking about Taqiya or whatever you call it, I don't have to stretch anything, I tell you the much I know, you tell me the much you know, it is left for me, for you to accept or reject. I don't tell LIES to abound God's Glory as Apostle Paul did.

TenQ:

You are not getting the point. If Allah created ANYTHING by the Command BE, he needn't do ANYTHING thing before or after to make that thing EXIST!

Of I say that Allah gave me the the power to speak a vehicle into existence but you saw me welding, grinding and screwing metals together, would you agree with me that I have the power of Allah to speak into existence a vehicle?

Allah says in creating Adam
1. He used his two hands to create him
2. He used clay to make him
3. Then he blew into Adam a soul!

Later we hear that Allah says BE (Qur'an 3:59) and Adam was: this is either an error or contradiction.


Let me give you an example of BE in creation.
Gen 1:3,11:
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. … And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth: and it was so."

You see all these suppositions of yours is of no consequence.

In the Bible, we read that Jehovah/Yahweh created Adam from Dust. Did he speak to the Dust and they start swirling around till Adam was formed? And after that what? Was there any other act done by Jehovah? When did that Dust got his breath from?

You see, this tendency to always want to rationalize, explain, ask meanginless question about the Nature of God's Creation came about when the Greeks became Christians.

The Jews with the Torah never embark on such ventures and sadly present day Christians as you inherited it and are now fine tuning it.

And tendencies as this is leading many away from Faith. Asking why this and why that destroys Nation in the past.

When the Bible says prove all things and hold that which is true, it was not talking about God's attributes nor his Creations, if you do that, then it will surely lead you to the Ultimate question: What is the Origin of the Creator Himself, does He have a beginning? These and many questions are what the Atheist will beat you with and believe me, no man of Faith can answer them!

Your position and posture with your poser leads to such

Lukuluku69:


Of course I am Muslim.

So what exactly did the Prophet say about ibn Abass Tafsir? Did he say Ibn Abbas Tafsir take precedent over the Quran or the Hadiths?

Your prophet never said that the hadith takes precedence over the Qur'an. Mohammed only prayed to Allah to grant Ibn Abbas wisdom and knowledge of the Qur'an. And the sahabas attests to his deep knowledge of interpreting the Qur'an.

Lukuluku69:

I am. Not restricting you to other sources. No, I am not doing that, what I meant to point out to you is the fact that when you present your evidences, try as much as possible to appeal the the Quran and the Hadiths. Human commentaries are sometimes subject to err and ate sometimes subject to different Agenda and I am not after anyone's agenda. This you can see with different Translations and different versions of your own Book the Bible.

I use mostly the Hadiths and the Qur'an. My use of Tafsirs is not as much but I do use them though. In my last post I used 2 Quranic verses, 6 Hadiths and only 2 Tafsirs.

Lukuluku69:

What are the attributes of Allah to start with? This you can find in the Muslims' Ninety Nine Names of Allah. He the Seeing, The Hearing, The Merciful, The Forgiving, The Patient, The Destroyer, The Creator and so on.

Asking me if Allah can exist without His attributes or exist without being the Almighty is kinda of funny. Knowing such or the lack of knowledge thereof doesn't in any remove fact that He is what He is. He doesn't affect my Faith and this kind of excercise is in futility.

What has my knowledge of Allah attributes being ETERNAL or not go to do with what we are discussing?

Allah is As-Samad The Eternal Absolute. So? Read the Quran, He said He is Eternal. Why are you asking me again?

And talking about Taqiya or whatever you call it, I don't have to stretch anything, I tell you the much I know, you tell me the much you know, it is left for me, for you to accept or reject. I don't tell LIES to abound God's Glory as Apostle Paul did.

I'm sure there is no doubt that God is eternal: the question was, Are God's attributes also eternal or not!
Some of the attributes of Allah are found in the 99 names of Allah isn't it? If they are names of Allah, they must be eternal. As an example, The mightyness of Allah did not start later as Allah had ALWAYS been mighty . The knowledge of Allah did not start at a point as he has ALWAYS been perfect in knowledge.

Don't you Muslims say that the Qur'an is the eternal words of Allah kept in heaven!?

The Question is:
Can Allah remain remain Allah without his attributes?

You know the answer: it is impossible!

It is simple logic EXCEPT Allah is not eternal. If Allah has no beginning nor an end, then his attributes have no beginning nor end.
There is no need burying the head like an ostrich!

TenQ:

Your prophet never said that the hadith takes precedence over the Qur'an. Mohammed only prayed to Allah to grant Ibn Abbas wisdom and knowledge of the Qur'an. And the sahabas attests to his deep knowledge of interpreting the Qur'an.




I use mostly the Hadiths and the Qur'an. My use of Tafsirs is not as much but I do use them though. In my last post I used 2 Quranic verses, 6 Hadiths and only 2 Tafsirs.



I'm sure there is no doubt that God is eternal: the question was, Are God's attributes also eternal or not!
Some of the attributes of Allah are found in the 99 names of Allah isn't it? If they are names of Allah, they must be eternal. As an example, The mightyness of Allah did not start later as Allah had ALWAYS been mighty . The knowledge of Allah did not start at a point as he has ALWAYS been perfect in knowledge.

Don't you Muslims say that the Qur'an is the eternal words of Allah kept in heaven!?

The Question is:
Can Allah remain remain Allah without his attributes?

You know the answer: it is impossible!

It is simple logic EXCEPT Allah is not eternal. If Allah has no beginning nor an end, then his attributes have no beginning nor end.
There is no need burying the head like an ostrich!

Lol! Potential Thief too has mouth to talk about religion ! Wonders shall never end

Lukuluku69:


You see all these suppositions of yours is of no consequence.

In the Bible, we read that Jehovah/Yahweh created Adam from Dust. Did he speak to the Dust and they start swirling around till Adam was formed? And after that what? Was there any other act done by Jehovah? When did that Dust got his breath from?

You see, this tendency to always want to rationalize, explain, ask meanginless question about the Nature of God's Creation came about when the Greeks became Christians.

The Bible NEVER at any point said that man was created by a command. In the bible, God took the dust of the ground to make man and breathe into it, and man became alive.

What I've shown you is that the Command BE is at variance with two other verses of the Qur'an where Allah made man with his two hands and used Mud to do so and then had to breathe a soul into man (three different activities that has nothing to do with the command "BE"!)

Lukuluku69:

The Jews with the Torah never embark on such ventures and sadly present day Christians as you inherited it and are now fine tuning it.

And tendencies as this is leading many away from Faith. Asking why this and why that destroys Nation in the past.

When the Bible says prove all things and hold that which is true, it was not talking about God's attributes nor his Creations, if you do that, then it will surely lead you to the Ultimate question: What is the Origin of the Creator Himself, does He have a beginning? These and many questions are what the Atheist will beat you with and believe me, no man of Faith can answer them!

Your position and posture with your poser leads to such

Since satan can sometimes even appear as angel of light, how do we distinguish without asking questions?

You will agree with me that if Mohammed has asked questions, the "satanic verses" would not have been accidentally accepted as quran.

Interestingly, asking questions has helped me to comprehend the work and plan of God for humanity and specifically myself. There is justification for EVERYTHING that God has done isn't it?

If you don't ask questions, how can you conclude that there is one Allah and Mohammed is his prophet?

How do you know that Mohammed is the Prophet of Allah?

TenQ:

The Bible NEVER at any point said that man was created by a command. In the bible, God took the dust of the ground to make man and breathe into it, and man became alive.

What I've shown you is that the Command BE is at variance with two other verses of the Qur'an where Allah made man with his two hands and used Mud to do so and then had to breathe a soul into man (three different activities that has nothing to do with the command "BE"!)


Since satan can sometimes even appear as angel of light, how do we distinguish without asking questions?

You will agree with me that if Mohammed has asked questions, the "satanic verses" would not have been accidentally accepted as quran.

Interestingly, asking questions has helped me to comprehend the work and plan of God for humanity and specifically myself. There is justification for EVERYTHING that God has done isn't it?

If you don't ask questions, how can you conclude that there is one Allah and Mohammed is his prophet?

How do you know that Mohammed is the Prophet of Allah?

Like I said, most of your posers/questions are offshoot of Grecian Philosophy. I hope you know that there are many Creation stories in other Scriptures of the world. They are not limited to the Bible and the Quran.

You hold true to what the abible says and others do same for their own Books. If I get you correctly, Be! was spoken and their qas Light and all other stuff but God made man from Dust of the ground and there was never any Be! for Adam to become what he became. That is your own point of view. You and I were never there, so whatever we discussed will just be an Academic excercise.

Of course you ask question/s bit once it is bothering on Nature of God, Islam says refrain (There is an Hadith on this).

God says belief in Me, He does that by appealing to our Intellect, our experiences, our Souls, the Nature around us, out community, our history but I have never seen nor read where it is said find out about my Nature, my Being. If you do the latter, you only open yourself to ridicule by those without Faith.

At the bolded, I accepted Prophet Muhammad to be a Prophet of God on so many score.

His Life, his works, his words and the outcome of his preachings. How it touched those who believed in him and how it transformed their Lives.

Not only that, many Scriptures written thousand and hundreds of years apart, from different Cultures and Civilizations affirmed and talked about the Last One. The Last One that will gathered Mankind under one Umbrella of Faith in the One True God The Creator of the Heavens and Earth and all that is in between.