@deji.ariyo

Thanks a lot Deji
U've just made my day with ur arguments and at least i can borrow some of the very valid points u've proposed to argue this same issue with my colleagues who are too blinded by the stuff they hear on CNN and bbc.

U dont have to bother urself so much with all those opposing ur arguments cos they are just too blinded as well by the stuff they get from the western media. Ghaddafi might be an evil dictator for all I care but he still remains one of the greatest African leaders. With what we've seen so far from the Libyan war, the thieving west can never decieve me anymore with their evil gimmicks. They dont care about Africa; they only care about their economies. period!!

petermania:

I'm not gonna say much.
@poster and allthe other people who support Ghadaffi and other despots like  him should go to this link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-14700876

when you finish, come back and try to be honest when posting your responses.

It's always unfortunate when war happens because, INNOCENT people will always get killed. How can anyone in their right mind support Ghadaffi. From the naija point of view, do you know how many nigerians were executed in Libyan prisons when Ghadaffi was in control.

What kind of man hires mecenaries to kill his own country men. It never ceases to amaze me how some people tend to reason sha,

CAN YOU FREAKING READ? WHY ARE YOU POSTING A BBC LINK AGAIN? GOSH, I FEEL LIKE SLAPPING YOU, WHAT DO YOU EXCEPT TO SEE ON A BBC LINK? GADDAFFI THE NEW SUPERMAN OR WHAT EXACTLY?

If you think NATO is there to free libyans why they refuse to do same to syria where protesters are murdered by gov't troops everyday?

this thread is now about bollocks!

I don think anyone supports Gaddafi per say and I would have been glad to see his back if a real revolution as occured in Egypt and Tunisia took place in Libya. What NATO has done is akin to helping Yoruba rebels overthrow a Hausa president whose capital is in Kano. You realise that in Africa, tribal sentiments play a big part in our politics and as such no matter how bad a leader may seem, his people will usually support him till the end as was witnessed by the huge turn out for Pro Gadaffi rallies in mid July. I dont think you can coerce 1 million people to march on the streets for someone they hate. You can also see that it looks like they are fighting to death in Sirte.

You refer us to the BBC website (LOL), the same BBC that showed a rally in India and claimed it was people celebrating the arrival of the terrorists in Tripoli, the same BBC that has not mentioned just once the attrocities being carried out against black people in Libya, the same BBC that claimed Gadaffi supplied his men with Viagra and ordered them to violation women en masse (another LOL).

All this mercenary business is made up and do you know why you now believe it beacuse it has been repeated to you so may times on 24 hour news channels and now you think it is the truth. Many of the people that are being rounded up and executed by the terrorists are migrant workers (There were over 200,000 of them working in Libya before the war)  from sub saharan Africa including Nigeria like we saw on Channel 4 news tonight and the other day on SKy News when a Nigerian man was trying to get the attention of the Sky cameras to come to his rescue (

very educating. well done op

Capitalism + Western countries + Greediness + Arrogance= Failure, Bunch of losers you are broke.
Africa + Mineral resources + Knowledge + Culture = Wealth,

If anybody thinks that the Cold War's effect on Africa was 2 elephants fighting and the grass suffering then I suppose you view JFK as a part of the grass when he was supposed to be sitting on one of the elephants. Though viewed as a Conspiracy Theory, the theory of the CIA being behind his assassination and the subsequent cover up is the most plausible. But why would the CIA be against JFK? Well, he like several of the African leaders that were eliminated around the same period (1960's) were progressives and JFK was the first US president since Abraham Lincoln (who also got assassinated. . . hmm) to be liberal towards "blacks". Apparently there was a group within the CIA who may have thought giving equality and freedom to Africans (either at home or abroad) was unacceptable at that time. He and his brother (Robert) were even backing Mandela at that time.

In summary, a non-subservient African leader is a dangerous one.

Chubhie:

Am with you on this one deji. All these cnn and bbc fat fed children should pick me a book and read!

Destruction of black civilization by Chancellor Williams is highly recommended. Gaddafi is a man i respect

so much. He is the last of a true African Champion. Long after you are gone,you will forever be remembered in our hearts.

This is a fight till death.REST IN PEACE!

Or maybe they should all listen to Wiki leaks. Na DSTV cause am!

thanks deji,the truth must be told

What's wrong with one man ruling for live and giving powers to the MP(Parliament Members) to govern the people.

Is Great britain not run by a Queen? Who has decieded to over throw her? No one
Is  Japan not run by an Emperer who has given powers to the prime Minister and MPs
China is run by an Emperor. The Prime Minister and co dare not challenge him.
The Queen of England still oversees the running of Canada and co
Netherland-----King

In those countries it is called King and Queens

In Africa, it is called Dictatorship
Those days they came to Africa, it was called Explorers, Now it is called Immigrants (Legal and Illegal)
Reversal of  English Nomenclature.

The greed by Africans for western material, will not allow our ancestral traditional monarchy practice prevail.

Anyone who believes a westerner is a Fool! Period

Keep Watching BBC

, @OP, after all these ur rantings about having a high IQ, about reading plenty books and listenin to unbiased news/publication/media. wht is ur real request or wht exactly are u trying to achieve by putting up ds post?

, tht Gaddafi should rule for another 42 years and handover to his sons?

, tht he shld be allowed to remain in power so tht he cn continue to 'resist western and US-imperialism'??

over-intellectualism (sometimes referred to as 'over-calcu' or 'over-permu-tation') is a major problem for knowledgeable people (ignorant,actually), who jst acquire knowledge and neva apply wisdom

he is not jst a dictator, he is a terror! no freedom at all and u say, he is a great leader?

(i really dont wish to ask this, but ARE U OUT OF UR FUCKIN MIND?

@op
How did Gadarfi came power
Does he have monopoly of knowledge
Assuming b4 this uprising he drops dead will Lybia extinct.
There is this cliche about one over staying his welcome. Gadafi did over Stayed His welcome despite his good intentions. 42 years haba
I will not support life president for anything as the saying goes variety is the spice life. As for countries with leaders like Gadafi is a matter of time.
The west might have their peculiar interest but they are not the problem of Africa.

Watch this http://www.channel4.com/news/evidence-of-libya-massacre-as-remains-of-50-people-found


Do these Nigerians look like your average mercenary? These are ordinary young men who were trying to make a living in Libya or use it a gateway to Europe. Why is it that in the video, the Gaddafi supporters are strictly black . Mercinaries would at least need a local soldier in their group to know what to do. These men were just in the wrong place, with the 'wrong' skin colour at the wrong time.

, @OP, after all these ur rantings about having a high IQ, about reading plenty books and listenin to unbiased news/publication/media. wht is ur real request or wht exactly are u trying to achieve by putting up ds post?

, tht Gaddafi should rule for another 42 years and handover to his sons?

, tht he shld be allowed to remain in power so tht he cn continue to 'resist western and US-imperialism'??

over-intellectualism (sometimes referred to as 'over-calcu' or 'over-permu-tation') is a major problem for knowledgeable people (ignorant,actually), who jst acquire knowledge and neva apply wisdom

he is not jst a dictator, he is a terror! no freedom at all and u say, he is a great leader?

(i really dont wish to ask this, but ARE U OUT OF UR FUCKIN MIND?

Cypost:

@op
How did Gadarfi came power
Does he have monopoly of knowledge
Assuming b4 this uprising he drops dead will Lybia extinct.
There is this cliche about one over staying his welcome. Gadafi did over Stayed His welcome despite his good intentions. 42 years haba
I will not support life president for anything as the saying goes variety is the spice life. As for countries with leaders like Gadafi is a matter of time.
The west might have their peculiar interest but they are not the problem of Africa.

I share your sentiments and cant understand why one man should rule a country for so long but the question is why does the west help Libya yet every year it sell billions of dollars worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia, one of the most repressive governments in the world. They were partners with Mubarak for 30 years and still support African dictators like Museveni, Biya and campaore. They are presently helping the dictator Saleh iwho has been in power for 32 years in Yemen. The rebellion in Yemen started before that in Libya but till date we havent heard of the west trying to help Yemen achieve democracy. They also said nothing when the friendly Bahrani government crushed the rebellion in its country.

Finally, like one poster already said isnt it ironic that the Arab league full of dictators is supporting the west in bringing democracy to Libya. The west continuosly go after Iran and claim they have no democracy yet Iran is the only country in the region apart from Israel which practises democracy. The west will also make you believe that there is no democracy in Venezuela

Thank you very much op for weeks I have been trying to educate people. For all those who claim gaddafi was a dictator and coupist let us not look too far from the bible look at king david what would we call hi$? Do we criticise him? It seems like a lot of the ppl have been brainwashed by western state owned media , I mean what is the best way to rule a people but to put them in fear make them ignorant and create division for whem they becone united their eyes will be opened and for too long we africans have suffered from this and that is why we are not developed. Dyu think the usapractices democracy? Look at 911 all the squashed protests we never here about? The american ppl are only united not out of common interest but fear of a "common enemy" which their media does not fail to publicise at any given instance. They live in the fear that they may be attacked by terrotists this illusion created by their very own gov. Through the invention of al qaeda, And so they feel the need to remain loyal to their gov. This democracy which they preach is nothing more than the dictatorship of the burgeouis the elite and capitalists look at the average american man a salary of a 100k is enuf to make him boast why? Because he has been told he is a rich man by the elite the use of capitalist forces conquers the freedom of equality indded the only freedom they have is the right to a choice of employer and this isthe new world order controlled by the capitalists, this is what gaddafi saw and pushed for a united africa. The dollar is now very obsolete they claim they have a defidit of 14 tri but the truth is it is over 50 from all the social security they give to the ppl to make them comfortable and prevent them from revolting imagine if oil was to no longer be traded in dollars, america would cease to be a nation this is what europe saw and decided to put up a front against gaddafi I mean why wait 42 years common, I mean look at the eurozone it is about to crash from all the debt incurred in welfare support and if africa were to create a single african currency as gaddafi proposed it would be the end of the west so what did they do they took out his major supporters egypt tunisia syria coming before the 'king' create division create revolution destroy unity soo that they will forever remain indebted to us put in our puppets and retrieve the resources spent checkmate, Life is like a game of chess, you almost always think 7 steps ahead, indeed we don't need to look too far look at boko haram we should not be surprised if they are backed byvthe west I mean the bombs level of intelligence and inability to trace cash routes no northern elite can pull that off since independence the west has always pushed the iidea of division in nigeria north vs south I mean look at how the media report on us "the southern christians and the northern muslims" and my brothers this is why nigeria has not developed because we have the resources to do so but they keep us at the bottom and tease us with the upper crust, Visionaries such as awolowo saw this and wanted to unify us but what dd they do to them, used selfish ppl men like ibb to destroy our unity even with abacha there was more unity as we were all united against a common tyrant so he too probably had to go, boko haram is now the new method create chaos so that they depend on us our intelligence our military prowess so that they never have to trade oil in anything other than USD , haha check "checkmate comes when we start a revolution, m

the queen rules 80 yrs in england and they call it monarchy why should the ppl stillhave to pay tax to her while in africa it is called dictatorship opression, this is why i will forever respect visionaries like mandela who saw the importance of unity, this is why south africa has developed in such a short period, the first thing he did was to establish a truth and reconciliation commission , this is the same thing jonathan should have done and every president before him, unite the north and the south and nigeria will become developed and this is why the west cannot let nigeria be divided

Wait a minute, why is he 'colonel' gaddafi and not 'general'? That does not depict a 'tyrant'; especially one who has ruled for 42 years.

not in uk and for the best that i know,the queen is like your ooni of ife,sultan of sokoto etc,monarchs,uk has the pm who is voted for after a stipulated time in office.the queen has always been recognised as the head of england and the tradition has not changed.if we as africans choose to loose our tradition in search of enlightenment,na our wahala be dat.
if we all remember very well,there was a time we had libyans all over lagos with their children begging for arms and ghaddafi was in charge then,you ask people not to quote cnn,bbc,aljazeera(funny since aljazeera was once considered anti USA for their role in getting videos of OSama)and you are busy bringing up videos from the libyan govt.it depends on who you choose to believe and if as a man you fail to do your research,that is your own cup of tea.I am old enuff and not been in the states long enuff to know about the attrocities of ghaddaffi.my mom was a cateerer and we had a lot of those libyans coming to our buka to beg for alms and my mom would feed dem while they tell us stories about their country likewise when south africans were relocated to Nigeria.
The west has its issues but can anyone here honestly tell me they will gladly allow 1 man to rule Naija for 42yrs and planning to hand over leadership to his son.

I like the sprite in Ariyo
Most ppl dont know the truth about Gaddafi & Libya
Gaddafi is not a traitor as painted. If you dig deeper you will find the facts
Rather he is a great African who stood stoutly in support of Africa
I just read a thrash , that he was abusing his female guards, that bodies of burnt prisoners were found bla bla bla

Since when have rebels courses become legitimate? Why must NATO Nations combine to oust a government?
We are all witness to how the issue of recognising the rebels in Libya is tearing AU apart
Those who knew the game being played are watching,
GEJ has started rushing things & it may land him in serious trouble b4 long. He has recognised the junta

We all know how USA used Osama successfully in keeping the Russians away in Afghanistan.,
Some of us who care to read know when the marriage turned sour, Darling Osama who was honoured by American became a villain
I know some people will doubt that Americans once honored Osama. But its true
Most problems occur due to poor handling of thorny situations
We will all see how Libya will be entangled in messy in-fighting

Mugabe is another fellow being targeted by these powers that be, He has stepped on many toes & they have been seeking his ouster .
Because he reads the game he has just sent the Libyan envoy packing
Injustice permeates. It thrives.
We all witness these & yearn for peace. Peace remains illusive
But it is difficult to have peace without justice

The only inadequacy of Gaddafi is sit-tight-ism. Its good to balance the argument.
There is no way he can claim to be the only wise man in Libya.
But even @ that anarchy isnt the only way out. After all we have not pushed out our Sarakis forcefully,
, Where every family member wants to rule Kwara

Carry on Ariyo, you are not alone, I know they have a hard mind set, Ignorance is our major set back
Its a pity harmless UN was dragged into this, I know same people will ask how

nsiadi:


Its a pity harmless UN was dragged into this, I know same people will ask how

You were going good until you posted this.


UN harmless? who are the members of UN and are they not NATO members too?

It is sad that Nigerians would support rebels. Thes people have killed and are still going to kill more black people. Check these 9 black men who survived by an inch of their teeth. What kind of people would support their own brothers being murdered?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA-YYjDfElk&feature=player_embedded

Deji Ariyo. You schooled me bro. Blessed! Abeg, dnt bother urself defending whats already obvious.

gadaffi IS BEING LIED ON BY WESTERN MEDIA

gadaffi had a plan to uplift africa.

the imperialist weRE not going to stand for gadaffi's upliftment of Blacks outside of his borders.

besides they want his oil. money and GOLD. LOOK 4 THE STANDARD OF LIBIANS TO DROP TO 3RD WORLD LEVELS, because Libya is.was a very developed country with the HIGHEST standard of living in all africa.

It's funny how many Nigerians will kiss America's ass and will even allow America to abuse their own nation and still be a supporter of America,

I am American and I openly rebuke America at every chance I get to, America is a bully nation!

We all know the so called NATO nations are going broke and their economies are in trouble.

You guys all lack sophistication! The world we live in is soo inter connected that you need basic understanding of one to understand the other,

Did Libyans have a good quality of life? How many Libyans prostitute? How many of them robs? They had a government that protects their dignity and existence.

No one starves, No one homeless, water is abundantly available in the desert area of Libya. NATO destroyed water supply. Seriously, it takes sophistication to love something and criticize it and also to hate something and praise it!

NIGERIANS LACK SOPHISTICATION ON A MASSIVE SCALE!

i am not a supporter of Gadaffi but why would NATO not go blow up Syria? Why Libya? Seriously? Why haven't they tried China? Russia? All these nations have the worst records of human rights abuse!

You need sophistication to understand things beyond what you love.

^^now you're american and no longer celtic?

Deji.Ariyo.

Thanks so much for the Post, its really interesting. Please don't mind all those ppl who see things on the opposite side always. I have worked in Libya and at least i can testify to all your comments and contributions. CNN, Aljaserra, and other media houses are just given us fake informations working with our minds and thinking. Just imagine, we heard over the news that the rebels have taken over Tripoli few days back, but there are still shooting and fighting in Tripoli. I am brother Leader supporter and i know people of Libya wont appreciate him now until the whole system changed. For me Gaddafi is one of the BEST African Leader ever, Unlike our so cal follow follow African Leaders, All they know is to hear & follow up with Western world wish, We shall see the end point.

It seems most people speaking against Ghaddafi here are people living in the west. When the west moves around forcing democracy down everybody's throat, I think that's world dictatorship. In a free world, people should have the right not to practice democracy. Must everybody contest to be a leader? We were quite Ok under our emirs, obas, obis etc before the westerners came and fractured the system. And now they are blaming us for failing to make their imposed system work.

When salazar arrestd dr neto & shot all his patients(sum of whom were on wheel chair) dat protestd against his arrest. NATO didnt invade portugal. When general franco was ruthlessly massacring his people NATO didnt invade spain. When benito mussolini balkanised ethopia NATO didnt invade italy

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IT TELLS OF WESTERN CONSPIRACIES

WHERE DO ALL THIS WESTERN SUPPORTERS LIVE? DON'T YOU LISTEN TO THESE THINGS?

HERE FOLLOW THIS LINK, THE SHELL CONSPIRACY IN NIGERIA

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/dec/08/wikileaks-cables-shell-nigeria-spying

I QUOTE FROM ABOVE "THEY INSERTED STAFFS IN EVERY MINISTRY", IF YOU ARE CAUGHT IN THE US IN A MINISTRY, YOU ARE A SPY.

CHANGE OF ENGLISH NOMENCLATURE (STAFF(UK,US) - SPY(AFRICA,MIDDLE EAST))

FOLLOW THIS LINK, Wikileaks Cable On Nigeria: "I Lack Administrative Experience," Jonathan Tells US Ambassador

http://saharareporters.com/news-page/wikileaks-cable-nigeria-i-lack-administrative-experience-jonathan-tells-us-ambassador

THE WOULD RULE YOUR COUNTRY AND YOU WILL SUPPORT THEM. BUFFONS

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"THEY" KNOW YOUR NEXT MOVE FOR THEIR BENEFITS.
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Thank you bro Deji for your insight. As you can see , there is a dearth of intelligence in our land. There is a funny joke that" If you want to hide something from a blackman, simply hide it in a book because black people don't read books". You cannot blame them much, we dont have many public libraries in our cities and towns. Our bookshops only sell religious literature, so there is almost nothing to properly educate our people except for the Bull crap they watch on Corporate owned media.
150 million Nigerians will gladly welcome a Gaddafi to come and rule us for the next 50 yrs. Some posters are talking abt Libyan people not having freedom.Freedom?. What freedom do you enjoy in Nigeria? Pity for the people of Libya. They are about to enter the season of the locust.

In a letter(still on public display)King Leopold of Belgium Instructed Belgian missionaries In the Congo to "Discredit and destroy their heroes so that they(Africans) may have no heroes to look up to  except you as their heroes and saviours".
What we are seeing is a mad rush for oil reserves. What does Libya, Iraq, Iran and Venezuela all have in common? OIL. And their crimes? They all want to manage their own oil reserves. Iraq has fallen in line, Libya is about to fall in line. watch out for Iran and venezuella in the coming years.
It is really that simple. Anyone that does not understand the game is just a simpleton.