haekymbahd:
Who questioned?



Exodus 6
2. God spoke to Moses and said to him, “I am the LORD (Yahweh)
3. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but My name Lord I was not known to them.

LegalWolf:
LOL!


I asked three core questions with none answered! What I deemed irrelevant from the outset is what you decided to dwell on. Interesting. That shows how extremely smart and brilliant you are, doesn't it?

(underlined mine)

I said the oldest Manuscript of the Torah is in Israel. Logically speaking, how does that contradict what AC is saying? Is the oldest extant manuscript the 'original'? Like I asked again, where on earth am I to start from when discussing with people like you? You see why you are not credentialed to talk where we are talking?

Thankfully, I made the right judgment call and it is just best to leave you where I took you from. Strikethrough and delete button all the way!

LegalWolf:
Three questions and you cannot even answer one!


Okay, answer the first one, please!

HisSplendor:


My beloved Muslim friends, especially, Legalwolf, Antichristian and Lukuluku69, I think these two names are eye opening names if we look at their meanings.

Jubril means strength from Yahweh or Yahweh is my strength. That means Angel Jubril's God is not Allah but Yahweh.

Ismael also means Yahweh will hear or Yahweh hears me. This means Abraham who gave Ismael his name was a worshiper of Yahweh and not Allah. How then can Abraham be a Muslim? Could someone who didn't name his son after Allah really build a mosque to him? I think it's getting clearer to you guys. You may have a different opinion actually. I'll be glad to hear it.

Also, if all the prophets Islam venerates have Yahweh reverently attached to their names as evidently shown, it means Yahweh is the God of the prophets and not Allah. The name issue is the big Truth that the lies of the Arabs could not cover.

Please let's be loyal to our souls. Our individual souls and its eternal home is what matters. Loyalty to a religion or prophet does not make sense.

LegalWolf:


I don’t and don’t claim to know. But what I do know is as follows:

1. Canaanite is a catch all phrase for people living in the land of Canaan. These includes Phoenicians, Moabites, philistines etc.

2. That El is the Supreme deity of the Canaanite pantheon.

3. That Hebrew language (just like Arabic) is relatively younger than Canaanite languages and is a probably derivative.

4. That El, understood as God in Hebrew, is traceable to the Canaanite El.

For these propositions, I recommended a research article to you on the origin of Canaanite religion yesterday. Have you read it?

TenQ:

Please answer these Questions
Jubril and Ismail are meaningful Hebrew names in the Qur'an. What do they mean!?

I await your "smart" answer as usual!?

TenQ:

Just tell me that you are comparing Allah with the sun and I will gladly translate it for you!

AntiChristian:


We need to prove you lied about "LAH"!

If them born you well translate to Arabic!

Since you refuse to know Arabic Grammar of Hamzat al Wasl, Sun and moon letters in Arabic.

AntiChristian:


of what use is all these please?

Angel Jubril is an Angel, how is the name important?

Anyway, Let's agree Jacob fought Yahweh and won Him!

HisSplendor:


My beloved Muslim friends, especially, Legalwolf, Antichristian and Lukuluku69, I think these two names are eye opening names if we look at their meanings.

Jubril means strength from Yahweh or Yahweh is my strength. That means Angel Jubril's God is not Allah but Yahweh.

Ismael also means Yahweh will hear or Yahweh hears me. This means Abraham who gave Ismael his name was a worshiper of Yahweh and not Allah. How then can Abraham be a Muslim? Could someone who didn't name his son after Allah really build a mosque to him? I think it's getting clearer to you guys. You may have a different opinion actually. I'll be glad to hear it.

HisSplendor:

Also, if all the prophets Islam venerates have Yahweh reverently attached to their names as evidently shown, it means Yahweh is the God of the prophets and not Allah. The name issue is the big Truth that the lies of the Arabs could not cover.

HisSplendor:

Please let's be loyal to our souls. Our individual souls and its eternal home is what matters. Loyalty to a religion or prophet does not make sense.

AntiChristian:


of what use is all these please?

Angel Jubril is an Angel, how is the name important?

Anyway, Let's agree Jacob fought Yahweh and won Him!

TenQ:

Truely you DON'T know.
And the Question I asked you to answer you BOLTED away totally from it.

The Question was:



Let me help you out


Gabriel (English) Jubril (Arabic) Gavri-El(Hebrew)
'God is my strength" (meaning)

Ishmael(English),
Ismail(Arabic)
Ishmay-El(Hebrew) God Hears or God will hear (meaning)

Samuel(English) Samuil/Shamil(Arabic) Samu-El (Hebrew) "God has set" or "God has placed"(meaning)

Michael(English) Mika'il(Arabic) Mikha-El (Hebrew) "Who is like God?" or" there is none like God" (meaning)


So, Mr LegalWolf:
1. I presume that Allah gave Jubril and Mika'il their names: so, in your opinion why did Allah name them after the Canaanite god?
2. Ishmael and Samuil are your prophet in Islam. Why are they bearing names that praises EL the Canaanite god?

After all these, Do you still think that EL is the Canannite God?

HisSplendor:


The name is important because it was given to him by his Creator. The name reveals many things:

1. Yahweh is the God of Angel Jubril, not Allah.

2. Yahweh is the Creator of Angel Jubril, not Allah

3. Yahweh is the God of all the Angels, not Allah

4. Yahweh is the One worshiped in Heaven, not Allah

5. Allah is an imposter who only used Yahweh's Prophets, Servants and Angel to promote himself as the true God.

6. The angel that visited Mohammed is not the original Jubril. An angel whose God is Yahweh to whom he has pledged allegiance cannot deliver a message for Allah whom he does not serve or worship.

7. All the claims of the Quran are spurious claims if the names of the angel, prophets and servants alluded to clearly honours Yahweh and not Allah. Yahweh is the true God of the prophets.

CC:
TenQ, Advocatejare, Sixfiguresmart, Speaklove.

LegalWolf:
My beloved Hissplendor,

I have actually missed you. I had wanted to mention you in some of my conversations with TenQ just to show you how he throws tantrums. You will agree with me that the other time we discussed, it was respectful and we even ended up praying for each other, isn't it? If that is the case, do you now understand my rationale for ignoring him and not taking him seriously?

While some Muslims hold the view that Yhwh = Allah, I fundamentally disagree with this view. For me, it is blasphemy and a position taken out of ignorance. Now let me break down your analysis into tidbits and tell you how your explanation cannot work.



This is false and completely untrue. If anything,
1. Gabri'El means 'El/God is my Strength not Yhwh is my Strength
2. 'Ishma' El' means 'El/God' will hear me not Yhwh will hear me

If you talk about Yehoshua or Yeshua, that is completely understandable but not clear words like Gabri'EL, MichaEL, Yisra'EL!

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This is completely false as well. If we take extra-biblical sources for example ( the same way many of your brothers take extra-Quranic sources to claim Allah is a moon god ), Yhwh:
(a) originates from southern Canaan and one of the lesser gods in their pantheons and/or
(b) one of the 70 children of EL (quite interestingly, the most ancient manuscript of the Hebrew Bible slightly alludes to this fact) ;
(c) a god of metallurgy

But of course, I expect you will object to that and would want us to base our claims on scriptures. But that presents a bigger problem: Exodus 6:2 tells us that God appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as 'El Shaddai' and not 'Yhwh'. So what logically follows was that Yhwh was first known as God's name to Moses, is that not correct?

See, arguments need to proceed on the basis of logic and common sense. Paraphrasing TenQ, faith needs not be blind (sometimes, we get wise sayings from the unexpected places. After all, someone once got an excellent advice from a mad man!). In essence, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob worshipped God with the name 'El the Most High' and not 'Yhwh'!


Smiles, this is a silent jab. I will want to assume you do not mean any harm and refrain from a response.

HisSplendor:


You're right my beloved brother. I apologise for the error. The conculsion of my post isn't a silent jab, I also apologise if it so appears.

HisSplendor:

However, when we look at the names of the prophet as mentioned, the argument still holds that Yahweh is the God of the Prophets and not Allah. I'll love to have your opinion on this too.

HisSplendor:



However, I wouldn't accept the extrabiblical reference you made. Not because it's extrabiblical but because it's a non-Christian claim. You'll agree with me that the extra-quranic sources my brothers use are not non-Islamic. The Hadith is Islamic and that's what my brothers use.

Oh yeah brother, I have fond memories of our last discussion. It's great to read from you again. I actually love your writing style. I miss you too.

advocatejare:
LegalWolf you know why I’ve stopped responding to your mentions? Because you didn’t answer my questions and you expect me to be answering yours. It doesn’t work like that, answer me and you can then be my guest, I like teaching misguided people like you so that you can find the right way.

As it is now, you’re following a misguided soul called yhwh who confessed that he didn’t know the way nor knew what will be his fate!


...........

LegalWolf:

LegalWolf:
LOL!

TenQ read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some say readers are leaders. Go broaden your range and sharpen your critical thinking skills!




Anyways, I had actually wanted you to read and like a true herder, carefully guide you to light. But it appears you are so much in love with ignorance and you will miss this opportunity. Your folks attribute Allah (from [i ]Ilah [/i] to moon god etc.) However, all I wanted to show was that both El and Ilah are derivatives of the same source! But does that mean we all worship the gods of Canaan?

I may have given you this similitude before. Yoruba Christians and Muslims worship 'Olorun' or 'Olodumare', is that not correct? However is Olodumare of the Yoraba Pantheon = Yhwh? Again, many Yoruba thinks Biblical Satan = Esu, but are they the same? The example is not local. Zeus is approximated to Jupiter at Rome same with Pter and we can go on and on. There is even a name for it in religious studies!

God has given you and one advocatejare properly functioning brain. Think!

cc: Hissplendor

AntiChristian:


So what is "Yahweh" in Arabic and Hausa Bibles translated by your eminent scholars?

Yahweh became Rabb in Arabic!

And Ubangiji in Hausa! Note that Ubangiji is even the head/greatest of all gods in folklore Hausa!

Alhamdulillahi [b]Rabb al alameen Qur'an 1:1[/b]

All you typed still remain lies!

Your translators have proven you wrong!

LegalWolf:
LOL!

TenQ read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some say readers are leaders. Go broaden your range and sharpen your critical thinking skills!




Anyways, I had actually wanted you to read and like a true herder, carefully guide you to light. But it appears you are so much in love with ignorance and you will miss this opportunity. Your folks attribute Allah (from [i ]Ilah [/i] to moon god etc.) However, all I wanted to show was that both El and Ilah are derivatives of the same source! But does that mean we all worship the gods of Canaan?

I may have given you this similitude before. Yoruba Christians and Muslims worship 'Olorun' or 'Olodumare', is that not correct? However is Olodumare of the Yoraba Pantheon = Yhwh? Again, many Yoruba thinks Biblical Satan = Esu, but are they the same? The example is not local. Zeus is approximated to Jupiter at Rome same with Pter and we can go on and on. There is even a name for it in religious studies!

God has given you and one advocatejare properly functioning brain. Think!

cc: Hissplendor

TenQ:



El and Lah are not derivatives of the same source.

-EL mean DEITY
-LAH is a specific (proper name) for a Deity

TenQ:

We ALL Agree that it is legal for children to call their father my the Name "DADDY". But Daddy is simply a Generic Name for their Father.

Twenty children may be saying: "My Daddy said....." And they would be correct because each one is referring to their own personal Daddy.

Of cause, each of the parents have their own Unique names different from the names of the other daddies.

Therefore, EL (DEITY) is a generic form of Identity like DADDY!
YAHWEH is a specific name of the Deity of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the Jews and Christians!

TenQ:

Allah is both a generic form of Identity like DADDY and a specific name like LAH and ALLAH.
LAH/ALLAH is the specific name of the God of the Muslims.[/b]

TenQ:

This above clearly shows that even though
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the Jews and the Christians call their God Generic names like EL/ELOH/EL-OHIM, God, Father etc, the specific name for their God is Yahweh.
THE SAME MANNER
Mohammed and Every Muslim call their God Generic name like ALLAH, the specific name for their God is ALLAH/LAH.

CONCLUSION:
It is NOT anywhere close to the truth that Allah of the Muslims is the Allah of the Arab Christians.

TenQ:


In closing we can say of a TRUTH that ALLAH/LAH of the Muslims is NOT the YAHWEH of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses , the Jews and the Christians
Of course, this has a BIG implication because the Qur'an says otherwise repeatedly!
(Quran 4:163; Qur'an 5:69; Qur'an Qur'an 22:34 and Qur'an 29:46)

Thanks for understanding!

LegalWolf:
TenQ,

I have a question for you: what was the 'personal name' that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob knew God? At least, we are very certain that they do not know him by Yhwh right? So what personal name do they know him?

Advocatejare may whisper words into your ears but I will only respond to you

TenQ:

You should have asked questions before posting this.

The Jews feel the name YHWH is too big for a mortal to pronounce and worse that you cannot make a mistake in writing the name YHWH. Tradition says that in the olden days when the Priests are copying the scripture EACH TIME they came across the name YHWH, they will first STAND UP, then go and take a ceremonial bath, then come back to write the Holy name and then continue their copying

Later, the Jews replace the name YHWH with LORD or ALMIGHTY and in speaking "Adoni' or "the Blessed One."

The Arab Bible you speak of follow the same tradition of replacing YHWH with LORD (Rabb) . Even many English bible do exactly this by writing YHWH as LORD (in capital letters).

YAHWEH is NOT therefore translated as you ASSUME, it was replaced by the TITLE of YHWH as a form of Respect and Awe for their Creator!

LegalWolf:
LOL!



I know you have been corrected countlessly, La in Arabic actually means No/None. It is Ilah that means god. Apparently, the delusions of Yhwh is extremely potent on you!

LegalWolf:
LOL!

But EL is a is a specific (proper name) for a Deity too and that is from the language of the Canaanite that IsraEL comes from. And this point, you cannot deny despite yhwh's potent delusion! Link to the research article has been provided on this forum!



LOL A SPECIFIC NAME FOR THE DEITY OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW - SEE EXODUS 6:2! , A specific name of a DADDY that the SONS do not know. LOL! Or did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob know El-Shaddai by Yhwh has clearly stated in Exodus 6:2?

Your argument is always peurile and your Daddy's example infantile at best. Let us break it down. Despite the fact that I did not ask you, you have said El is a Semitic word for Deity. Assuming this is wholly true, what specific deity is ILAH amongst pre-Islamic Arabs? And if you insist that LAH is a name of a God, please bring, your proof. We all cannot help with your hallucinations

LegalWolf:
LOL!

LOL! Even your Bible would disagree with you on this. I asked a very simple question the other time that you missed:

1. Why is El called Shaddai and not Yhwh Shaddai?

What point exactly are you trying to make. It is not by muddling up issues that you make sense. I would have advised you to call advocatejare but he also cannot properly articulate his thoughts! Disaster!

I have recommended research articles and even provided a link which clearly shows the connection between El of the Canaanite Pantheon and how it was brought into Hebrew Language. All your useless hypothesis of Yhwh being a personal name for God is bunkum as it is not grounded in common sense.



You can read my explanation on this platform to which you have been mentioned countlessly. Yhwh ≠ Allah. Congratulations Mr. TenQ

TenQ:

But you didn't answer my Question?

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did not call God by His personal name but by His title. Just like children call their father by the name Daddy BUT daddy is not their Father's personal name. Evidence attached! They called God Almighty DEITY!

AntiChristian:


Yahweh is a concoction! YHWH is what is correct! And it's not pronounced! So if what you are saying is true then what is OP saying?

TenQ:

Was the original Qur'an of you Muslims written with or without vowels?

Simple answer please!

And it still doesn't change the Question
Who is LAH is Islam?

AntiChristian:


Lah means "for him/it" in Arabic!

La is negation i.e. No.

So your logic is flawed!

TenQ:

Can you just quote on place where I used LA instead of LAH!

This is how you waste people's time either with Taqqiyya or misrepresentations.

LAH is not the same as LA!

TenQ:

I've asked you a simple question and if you've responded, you would not fond yourself in this quagmire of errors. Countless times I've told you that EL simply means DEITY!
1. What is the Meaning of Jubril and What is the meaning of Mikhail?
2. Is the deity in question 1 above the Canaanite deity?

TenQ:


Is El-Shaddai a Name or a TITLE ?

It's like saying, why is Allah not called
1. ALLAH-AL-QUDDUS
2. ALLAH-AS-SALAM
Do you know why?

Please post intelligent questions next time. You won't answer questions and to post good questions is a problem for you!

TenQ:


Where did you bring this ALFA!?
When you think you've seen it all: Mallam!!!!!!!?

What is this لله in Arabic?

LegalWolf:
In the space of 4 hours, El has transmogrify from 'Deity' to 'Title'. Please be consistent!



I am aware of your subsequent posts but let me go answer them!