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Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by LordReed(m): 2:25pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Steep: Lolz quote where you asked which "particular choice". |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:45pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Aemmyjah: You are not giving God His Full Respect which is where all this liability issue commences from neither do you fully appreciate The First Good Gift He gave us, which is the Power of Life and Eternal Life even like a mannequin that lives forever while being aware of his environment. Which upon due consideration, you find that you are no different from a non living mannequin of which your manufacturing processes reveal that you started that same way being unloving. So take a second and remove all the evil are you not thankful that you are alive to experience what living is? If you appreciate this, then you would see that this is where our responsibility/liability for ensuring our living also commences [b]which is that you are not permitted to Die! WHICH IS THE FIRST LAW OVER MAN. Which is why God warned him to avoid the only thing in this box called world which could kill him, which is, that particular fruit EVEN SATAN COULD NOT KILL HIM. Hence, complete and absolute obedience to that Law was the only and most important thing he needed to do to continue living, foreverly. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:04pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Creations are only free as the Extent/Limitation their Creator has given them. Jokerman: |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:11pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
TenQ: If he wanted to, nothing stops him. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by TenQ: 3:13pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:But God wanted to CREATE a free Man. It was the PURPOSE for Creation in the first place! |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:17pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
hayoholla: That is the power of a creator. This is a chicken and egg scenario. A maker can create a computer virus first before making the computer or create the computer first before making the virus. But which came first, only the creator or creators can tell us. But your answer was a change of post o for he did not ask whether a computer was made before or after the virus. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:21pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
TenQ: You are right. I am just trying to raise up the awareness that the opposite option is also there. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Steep(m): 3:21pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
kingxsamz:you don't get to decide what is perfect or not so long you are not the designer neither do you even know the purpose why it was made. So why all the mess then? Even a human being would have done better. From being omniscient to putting a dangerous tree in the same garden you intend your creation to inhabit forever, to being omnipotent, yet, still unable to stop Satan, to the point that you had to drown the entire world and send your son to die. And in the end nothing changed.you are silly, why would you make a car to move on land and still prevent it from moving? Why should God prevent man from exercising his freewill. The presence of Satan in the garden presents man with the opportunity to show where his loyalty lies. Whoever created the tree of life and allowed Satan the serpent to have access to the garden where two inexperienced adults were supposed to live is definitely responsible for everything.Your robber analogy makes no sense, nobody is putting a gun on your head. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:23pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
kingxsamz: See devil! It is always a bad thing that must come out from your mouth |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Steep(m): 3:24pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
LordReed:I asked "which choice", instead of playing hide and seek why don't you answer it. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:30pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
kingxsamz: The op did not ask about heaven. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:33pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
LordReed: Who told you He does not have such people in the first place? And now He is doing a different thing. Promotion and demotion things which ever apply |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by LordReed(m): 3:43pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: Where are such people? |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by LordReed(m): 3:47pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Steep: LoLz. you are the one playing hide and seek. You asked: Steep:Does this look like you asked, "which choice"? And still you haven't answered the simple question, will these transformed have the ability make a choice in the heaven? |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Steep(m): 3:53pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
LordReed:yes They can make a choice but not choices like before. In the new creation the order of things would be different. Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:57pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
LordReed: Any where God kept them to be. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Aemmyjah(m): 4:18pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: Lol If you are a toy in God's eyes, na your own problem If you think you are in the same class as animals and plants, it is your own problem As for me, like the psalmist, I say 'What is man...' He has made us a little lower than the Angels He made me in his own image He sent his son to die for me He gives me life and every good thing He's done good for me, doing good for me and in the future, great things he'll do. We don't do wonderful things for toys or anything we invent We can show our love for him We can pray and worship him We can draw close to him God did not program Man to demonstrate obedience and loyalty like ROBOTS |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Aemmyjah(m): 4:20pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: It was greed that motivated the woman to eat It was not greed that motivated the man but cos he loved his wife more than Jehovah Who planted the greed in the woman? It was Satan That is when evil began. Jesus describe him as a manslayer and he did not stand fast in the Truth |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Aemmyjah(m): 4:21pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
kingxsamz: Lol No human tody is perfect Sorry I must have skipped that What was your question I didn't answer? |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Aemmyjah(m): 4:23pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: A toy is always manipulated to do the will of his Master whether good or man If what you're saying is true, then God is to blame for all badness but you're wrong cos man is fully responsible for all his actions and he will reap what he sow, not his Maker |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by kingxsamz(m): 4:28pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:Lol, madman don come. ![]() |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Aemmyjah(m): 4:33pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: Gee Chop knuckle first As I de hail u so I just de wait for me and you to meet According to your illustration, it was God that made the virus called sin right? |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by LordReed(m): 4:35pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: And where is that? |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by LordReed(m): 4:40pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Steep: "not choices like before" what does this mean? |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by kingxsamz(m): 4:40pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Steep:So was it your god's plan to make things go the way they did? ![]() I mean, if he's a perfect being, everything would work according to his plan and he won't regret creating humans only to wipe them off without taking out the main source of the problem. That's imperfection. Buhari would have done better. Making a car move on land is different from putting your child on the highway to see if it gets hit by a car. ![]() On top of that you're omniscient and know how to prevent Bleep ups. If you see nothing wrong with your god putting Adam and Eve in the same place with Satan and that evil tree, then you shouldn't have a problem keeping a loaded gun in the midst of your children. ![]() It makes no sense or you have no better counter to it? Imao. ![]() It's just an analogy, which actually happens in real life. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Steep(m): 5:21pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
LordReed:It means things would be different. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by LordReed(m): 5:36pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Steep: Then it doesn't matter, the god could have done all that at the beginning. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Steep(m): 6:04pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
LordReed:you are going round in circles again. When you go through school you start from the first level right? After finishing the whole level do you still repeat the process again? Or you can as well ask why not walk into the university and collect a BSc certificate from the beginning instead of going through thus whole process. The Sons of God are going through a process, once the process is complete, everything would be changed. |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by LordReed(m): 6:17pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Steep: LoLz! The process of billions of people enduring suffering over the course of thousands of years? Is that the process you are referring to? |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:08pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
LordReed: Anywhere! |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:10pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:15pm On Dec 19, 2022 |
Aemmyjah: So also can God control you to do His Will. Aemmyjah: It is True neither are you to blame when your mannequin against your express and implied commands, goes about killing other mannequins and burning their houses, even burning the House you gave them to live in. That is what is called "Strict Liability". |
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