MaxInDHouse:


Can you please correlate the highlighted with the last sentence?

Smartini:


"It is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him"

What do you understand that statement to mean, Sir? Let's start with that

Steep:

Read psalm 8 vv 4- 8
And also hebrews 2 vv 6 -9.
And also John 1 vv 14

Smartini:

He won't reply. Trinitarians hate that verse because it kills all the beliefs they have and ends all argument on Trinity once and for all.

Steep:

How?

1 Corinthians 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Going by your logic the divine nature of God was put under Jesus feet?

1 Corinthians 15:27"Under his feet"= within Jesus's control & authority.
Colossians 1:19 & 2:9,Is divine nature within Jesus Christ control & authority?
Colossians 1:19,Oga Steep,nah who give divine nature to Jesus?


[i]I said it before and must say it again.
"Oga Steep HATED Colossians 1:19, John 17:7, Luke 10:22 & 1 Corinthians15:27.
Jesus said it, Luke wrote it, John wrote it & Paul even wrote the same truth.Oga Steep no agree.
/i]


Yet,God his Father has no God.

Oga Steep,Revelation 3:12 & John 20:17,does Jesus Christ have his God?

MaxInDHouse:


Just like so many churchgoers he doesn't even know what TRINITY really means!

MaxInDHouse:


1Corinthians 15:27
Said God who subjected everything under Christ is not subjected to Christ!

What is mortal man that you keep him in mind, And a son of man that you take care of him? 5 You made him a little lower than godlike ones, And you crowned him with glory and splendor. 6 You gave him dominion over the works of your hands; You have put everything under his feet: 7 All the flocks and cattle, As well as the wild animals, 8 The birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea, Whatever passes through the paths of the seas. Psalms 8:4-8

But in one place a certain witness said: “What is man that you keep him in mind, or a son of man that you take care of him? 7 You made him a little lower than angels; you crowned him with glory and honor, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 8 All things you subjected under his feet.” By subjecting all things to him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him. 9 But we do see Jesus, who was made a little lower than angels, now crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, so that by God’s undeserved kindness he might taste death for everyone. Hebrews 2:6-9

So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth. John 1:14

What has these got to do with the fact that the Christ under whose feet all things were subjected is lower to the true God who gave him such power? Psalms 110:1

Janosky:


1 Corinthians 15:27"Under his feet"= within Jesus's control & authority.
Colossians 1:19 & 2:9,Is divine nature within Jesus Christ control & authority?
Colossians 1:19,Oga Steep,nah who give divine nature to Jesus?


[i]I said it before and must say it again.
"Oga Steep HATED Colossians 1:19, John 17:7, Luke 10:22 & 1 Corinthians15:27.
Jesus said it, Luke wrote it, John wrote it & Paul even wrote the same truth.Oga Steep no agree.
/i]


Yet,God his Father has no God.

Oga Steep,Revelation 3:12 & John 20:17,does Jesus Christ have his God?

Steep:


Read psalm 8 vv 4- 8
And also hebrews 2 vv 6 -9
And also John 1 vv 14

Steep:

What do you understand by Trinity?

Steep:

Good, Because you can see from the verses both in psalm 8 and Hebrews 2 that It is the whole creation that is being inferred.
It is the whole creation that is subjected to Christ not God.

Smartini:


Psalms 8:4-8 was referring specifically to humans, not to Jesus Christ. And as at the time 1 Corinthians was written, Jesus was already back in heaven at the right hand of God as a SPIRIT CREATURE.

Hebrews 2:6-9. Again, a repetition of the verse in Psalms, except that in verse 7, it was mentioned that Jesus was made lower than angels while in human form here on earth, and in verse 8, all things were subjected to him when he regained his SPIRIT personality on his return to heaven.

However, you're yet to deal with the bone of contention here, which is: WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO JESUS? AND IS THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO JESUS ALSO UNDER JESUS? OR IS JESUS SUBJECTED TO HIM

John 1:14 Sweet verse. It specifically says that YES, Jesus was full of divine glory and favour and truth, a glory that was begotten from the Father - in the end, it all links back to the Father.

The Father is the AUTHORITY. The Father is the one who GIVES while the rest RECEIVES. And as 1 Corinthians 15 says, even when ALL things have been subjected to Jesus, the Christ himself will still subjected himself to the All-Father.

MaxInDHouse:

So?

Steep:
Jesus is both man and God, as man all things were subjected to him but as God he is already beyond all things.

MaxInDHouse:
Who subjected or gave him all things?

Steep:
the answer is God is a Trinity, one person of the Godhead (the father) gave Jesus the second person because Jesus us also the son of man.

I bet you don't even know what this verse mean below.

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Jesus is given authority and dominion because he is the Son of man.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Aemmyjah:


What is this one even saying?
Your use of scriptures do not even support Trinity and you're even contradicting those that teach Trinity
Go and meet your folks and ask them to lecture you in Trinity proper

Jehovah is the true God, the only true God. Even Jesus Christ acknowledge it in his conversation with Satan at Matthew 4:10
Read Deuteronomy 6:4
Jesus is the son of God

The head of the woman is the man (Is the woman and man the same)
The head of the man is Christ (is the Christ and man the same)
The head of the Christ is God

If you say Jesus Christ is God or the Father, it won't make sense to say that the man and the woman are not the same person

Steep:

the answer is God is a Trinity

Steep:
That is why I asked maxD what he knew Trinity is?
If you knew what Trinity is, you won't be asking this questions.

Aemmyjah:

In the commonest terms. It means
The Father is God
The Son is God
The holy spirit is God. Yet,there are no three gods but one God
All are equal, eternal and Almighty and they are not separate or distinct but one God in three modes
Can you illustrate this using examples?
No wonder why they say the Trinity is a mystery and God is mysterious. If God is mysterious, how can we know him or draw close to him?

Aemmyjah:


In the commonest terms. It means
The Father is God
The Son is God
The holy spirit is God. Yet,there are no three gods but one God
All are equal, eternal and Almighty and they are not separate or distinct but one God in three modes


Can you illustrate this using examples?
No wonder why they say the Trinity is a mystery and God is mysterious. If God is mysterious, how can we know him or draw close to him?

Steep:
example in what way? An illustration would be water, steam is water, ice is water, and liquid water is water but however, steam is not ice, ice is not condensed water but they have same chemical composition H2O.
Trinity however is not forms of God neither is it modes of God but persons of the one being God.
God is triune, for example when God said "let us create man in our image" who was he talking to? The heavenly host? No Isaiah and job said God alone made the heavens and formed the earth and there was no one with him, so he wasn't talking to the heavenly host.
John 1 vv 1 through Jesus all things were made how is this possible when Jehovah said he formed the heavens and earth alone and by himself?
John rightly said that the word was God, since Jesus is God then Jehovah is correct that he created the earth by himself.

Jesus bear all the titles of God, Jesus said all that the father has also belongs to him, Jesus called himself the I AM a name exclusive to Jehovah.

However, Jesus took a position that is lower than God John 1 vv 14 says the word became flesh.
Jesus took the form of a servant and was obedient unto death.
Jesus is the word of God meaning all the plans and purposes of the father can only come through by Jesus , since in the trinity is there are roles or order just as your body has functions.
Jesus who is the word fulfills the plan and design of God the father to save man and to do this he had to take a lower position.

what of after his resurrection and in heaven did Jesus stop being a man?

No, Jesus never stop being a man neither did he stopped being God he his the God-man meaning Jesus could exercise both qualities at will but when on earth his humanity was what he displayed ( the days of his flesh) meaning Jesus knowledge of things was limited, he experienced all humans experienced except sin but after his resurrection he was now glorified, his humanity was glorified but however he is still a man. 2 Timothy 2 vv5.

God is mysterious, but that mystery is revealed in christ by the holy Spirit.

MaxInDHouse:


That's why it was forced on people during the dark ages many were killed and intimidated to accept this religions because there's no way any right thinking person could be convinced to trust a mystery.

Aemmyjah:


You better be careful not to blaspheme God with your stupid teachings
How does you illustration of ice water match with God and what is the basis of such illustration from the Bible?

Explain how the holy spirit is a person na

Steep:
Do you know the pharisee wanted to kill Jesus because of this same allegation of blasphemy? Have you ever thought what if this is the truth? Only the holy Spirit can convince you no man can.

Why will I wast my time explaining something since you already termed it blasphemy.

Aemmyjah:


Go and worship your mystery
'We worship what we know'- John 4:22

Steep:

You are ignorant, even the prophets in the old testament didn't understood what was given to them yet trusted God.
The gospel was a mystery till christ came and even after he came the disciples didn't fully understood until the holy spirit came.
The righteous men in the bible didn't understood everything about God even yet they trusted God.

Steep:
Jesus is both man and God, as man all things were subjected to him but as God he is already beyond all things.

Steep:

How?

1 Corinthians 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Going by your logic the divine nature of God was put under Jesus feet?

1 Corinthians 15:27
For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)


Did God the Father give Jesus his son authority to possess the fullness of divine nature?
Colossians 1:19.

Trinity na man made scam.

Steep:

The word "essence" does not just mean quality but the important quality.
In Christianity when we say God's essence we actually mean his deity or Godhood.

No
Not "in Christianity" but according to Trinitarians who invented the words "essence" & "deity" which are NOT in Greek holy scriptures .
Both words "Essence and deity were inventions of men (screenshot evidence) to TWIST the holy scriptures.
The Greek holy scriptures calls Theiotes "divine nature." No Maggi,no pepper.
Not godhead,not deity, man made pepper and Maggi.

Steep:


That is what theoites mean. Jesus embodies the Fullness of God's deity.

Steep:

For your screen shots, what is the Greek interlinear of colosians 2 vv 9?

Steep:
Is God a Spirit creature? Can God be created?
If Jesus has the fullness of the essential nature of God (theotetes) that makes Jesus the uncreated creator.

Did your Bible calls born again "new creation"?
Born is synonymous with creation.
Your Trinitarian mentors agree wholeheartedly.

Your Bible,Colossians 1:15 (KJV) calls Jesus "the first born of every creature" but your Trinitarian mentors are up in arms to TWIST the holy scriptures.

Psalm 90:2, did "God born the mountains?"
Therefore, born in the holy scriptures is created/creation.
Therefore,God's first born Jesus Christ is a creature.
@Genesis 49:3, is that first born a creation?

Why shift the goal post @ Colossians 1:15?

Janosky:


No
Not "in Christianity" but according to Trinitarians who invented the words "essence" & "deity" which are NOT in Greek holy scriptures .
Both words "Essence and deity were inventions of men (screenshot evidence) to TWIST the holy scriptures.
The Greek holy scriptures calls Theiotes "divine nature." No Maggi,no pepper.
Not godhead,not deity, man made pepper and Maggi.



Colossians 2:9,Jesus Christ possess the fullness of divine nature & the divine nature was SHARED with believers in heaven, 2 Peter 1:4 & Colossians 2:10
Colossians 1:19 God his Father given Jesus his divine nature.
Still God the Father is NOT under subjection to Jesus,1 Corinthians 15:27.
deity means a god/goddess (screenshot evidence)

Shikena!



@ Greek Colossians 2:9 theiotes divine nature NOT deity,not godhead.