Steep:


For the sake of readers.
Theias is the adjectivial form of theios and when it actually means godlike.

Divine can mean godlike, deity, etc when it is used as a noun it is either theiotes (God's nature revealed) or theotes (God's nature as he is)
Or divine can translated from the word theias which is an adjective meaning godlike.

The nature Christians partake of was described as theias (godlike or from God) but the nature christ possesses is theotes meaning Godhood, deity , God ad he is.

No Jesus was one of the spirit sons of God in heaven (angels) before his earthly life {John 8:23} while all humans are fleshy descendants of Adam. But Jehovah (not Jesus) is the same God that bestow the authority upon whoever He wants to be called "God" Exodus 7:1

Steep:


For the sake of readers.
Theias is the adjectivial form of theios and when it actually means godlike.

Divine can mean godlike, deity, etc when it is used as a noun it is either theiotes (God's nature revealed) or theotes (God's nature as he is)
Or divine can translated from the word theias which is an adjective meaning godlike.

The nature Christians partake of was described as theias (godlike or from God) but the nature christ possesses is theotes meaning Godhood, deity , God ad he is.

Oga Steep,is Colossians 1:19 & 2:10 in your Bible?

Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9 "The Colossians were being taught that Jesus is NOT fully God".

Why is the same ghost given Oga Steep and Bill Mounce his fellow Trinitarian,a conflicting information on Colossians 2:9?

Kai !!!!!!!!

MaxInDHouse:


No Jesus was one of the spirit sons of God in heaven (angels) before his earthly life {John 8:23} while all humans are fleshy descendants of Adam. But Jehovah (not Jesus) is the same God that bestow the authority upon whoever He wants to be called "God" Exodus 7:1

How can Jesus be an angel and yet better than the angels?

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

According to 1 Timothy 2 vv 5 Jesus is a man.

Janosky:


Oga Steep,is Colossians 1:19 & 2:10 in your Bible?

Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9 "The Colossians were being taught that Jesus is NOT fully God".

Why is the same ghost given Oga Steep and Bill Mounce his fellow Trinitarian,a conflicting information on Colossians 2:9?

Kai !!!!!!!!

while don't you quote the Greek interlinear and compare it with mounce?
Even the mounce stated that Jesus possesses the full divine nature of God, that is the same as saying Jesus is Jehovah God.

Steep:
How can Jesus be an angel and yet better than the angels?

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

He OBTAINED a more excellent name after his successfully earth mission {Matthew 28:18} before then he was the first angel God directly created! Colossians 1:15

Steep:

According to 1 Timothy 2 vv 5 Jesus is a man.

Of course he lived as flesh among humans {John 1:14} so he was a man whose lifestyle we can take as our role model! 1Peter 2:21
We can't imitate someone who never lived in the flesh like us nah!

Steep:
while don't you quote the Greek interlinear and compare it with mounce?
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Oga Steep,if you have any PROOF that @ Colossians 1:19,2:9-10, Mounce is different from Greek interlinear , please kindly bring it on.

Shalom.

Steep:

Even the mounce stated that Jesus possesses the full divine nature of God, that is the same as saying Jesus is Jehovah God.

Steep: "Jesus possess the full divine nature of God.... Jesus is Jehovah God."

Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9,"the Colossians were being taught that Christ is NOT fully God."

Conflicting revelations to two veteran Trinitarians from the same ghost.

MaxInDHouse:


He OBTAINED a more excellent name after his successfully earth mission {Matthew 28:18} before then he was the first angel God directly created! Colossians 1:15

@ bolded so Jesus is no longer an angel because according to Hebrews Jesus is currently better than the angels.

Of course he lived as flesh among humans {John 1:14} so he was a man whose lifestyle we can take as our role model! 1Peter 2:21
We can't imitate someone who never lived in the flesh like us nah!

According to 1 Timothy 2 vv 5 Jesus is currently a man in heaven.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

He described the mediator as the man christ Jesus. This is not a past tense but a present terms.

Janosky:

Oga Steep,if you have any PROOF that @ Colossians 1:19,2:9-10, Mounce is different from Greek interlinear , please kindly bring it on.

Shalom.

Why are you running from the Greek interlinear?

Janosky:


Steep: "Jesus possess the full divine nature of God.... Jesus is Jehovah God."

Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9,"the Colossians were being taught that Christ is NOT fully God."

Conflicting revelations to two veteran Trinitarians from the same ghost.

If a person possesses the full nature of man he is a man.
Btw, mounce can not be a trinitarian if he deny the deity of Jesus.
spirit of false witness has deluded you to the extent your even a dumb donkey understand better than you.

Steep:
Why are you running from the Greek interlinear?

Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament.

Oga Steep,is that "Mounce Interlinear" a Greek Interlinear?

This speaks volumes:
Steep: "Jesus possess the full divine nature of God.... Jesus is Jehovah God."

Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9,"the Colossians were being taught that Christ is NOT fully God."

Steep:
@ bolded so Jesus is no longer an angel because according to Hebrews Jesus is currently better than the angels.

Apart from the Almighty God all other heavenly beings are angels the only thing Jesus had that no other can meet up is the title CHRIST which no other creature can meet up because he is the only one who was able to save mankind from sin through his sacrificial death.

Steep:

According to 1 Timothy 2 vv 5 Jesus is currently a man in heaven.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

He described the mediator as the man christ Jesus. This is not a past tense but a present terms.

Mediator between man and God so he can't be the mediator and at the same time the other party. So he is the one in between man and God Almighty!

MaxInDHouse:

Apart from the Almighty God all other heavenly beings are angels the only thing Jesus had that no other can meet up is the title CHRIST which no other creature can meet up because he is the only one who was able to save mankind from sin through his sacrificial death.

How can Jesus be greater than the angels if is an angel?
You lack basic understanding in English.

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritanceobtained a more excellent name than they.

Hebrews clearly separated Jesus from the angels.

The use of "The angels" "They" is used to separate class.
Jesus is not of the class of angelic beings but he is separate.
On the other hand Jesus after his resurrection called his disciples "my brethren" angels never called men their brethren even if they appeared as men they never.

Mediator between man and God so he can't be the mediator and at the same time the other party. So he is the one in between man and God Almighty!

So the priest in the old testament that mediate for the people are no humans right?
Moses that was a mediated for the Isrealities for God not to destroy them is not a human?

This is what happen when you resist the truth, you become like beasts of the field.

2 Timothy 2 vv 5 clear called Jesus a man, if Jesus was not presently a man Paul wouldn't have called Jesus a man.

Janosky:

Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament.

Oga Steep,is that "Mounce Interlinear" a Greek Interlinear?

This speaks volumes:
Steep: "Jesus possess the full divine nature of God.... Jesus is Jehovah God."

Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9,"the Colossians were being taught that Christ is NOT fully God."

Where is the interlinear?

Steep:

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

He OBTAINED it meaning he worked for it!

Steep:

So the priest in the old testament that mediate for the people are no humans right?
Moses that was a mediated for the Isrealities for God not to destroy them is not a human?
This is what happen when you resist the truth, you become like beasts of the field.
2 Timothy 2 vv 5 clear called Jesus a man, if Jesus was not presently a man Paul wouldn't have called Jesus a man.

They all mediate using the blood of animals but this man mediated using his own precious blood {Act 20:28 compare to Hebrews 9:12} that is what no human can do {Psalms 49:7-9} because only a perfect human can pay up the debt Adam brought upon all his descendants! 1Corinthians 15:45

Don't be upset now, you challenged Jehovah's Witnesses so let's do this with maturity! 1Peter 3:15

MaxInDHouse:


He OBTAINED it meaning he worked for it!

Is the issue about Jesus working or not working? You have diverted. Hebrews clearly differentiated Jesus from angels. I know you have seen it.

They all mediate using the blood of animals but this man mediated using his own precious blood {Act 20:28 compare to Hebrews 9:12} that is what no human can do {Psalms 49:7-9} because only a perfect human can pay up the debt Adam brought upon all his descendants! 1Corinthians 15:45

Don't be upset now, you challenged Jehovah's Witnesses so let's do this with maturity! 1Peter 3:15

Again diverting from the issue at hand.

This below was your statement

Mediator between man and God so he can't be the mediator and at the same time the other party. So he is the one in between man and God Almighty!

@bolded this has nothing to do with shedding or not shedding his blood.
I know you have seen the truth but just trying to play around it.

Steep:
Is the issue about Jesus working or not working? You have diverted. Hebrews clearly differentiated Jesus from angels. I know you have seen it.

You only need to understand that people who already has money and well to do go for political offices not for wealth anymore but to a name they're just like all other human.
Jesus was just like all other heavenly beings (angels) before he OBTAINED that name which made him higher just as a politician makes a name higher than other humans!

Steep:

Again diverting from the issue at hand.
This below was your statement
@bolded this has nothing to do with shedding or not shedding his blood.
I know you have seen the truth but just trying to play around it.

All mediators do the same work but what makes Jesus' case unique is that he offered his own body and blood unlike all others!

Steep:

Where is the interlinear?

Please read this screenshot here.
That's the Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear I have referenced on this thread.


Shalom.

Steep:
How can Jesus be greater than the angels if is an angel?
You lack basic understanding in English.

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritanceobtained a more excellent name than they.

Hebrews clearly separated Jesus from the angels.

The use of "The angels" "They" is used to separate class.
Jesus is not of the class of angelic beings but he is separate.

Oga Steep,no !

Take note of Hebrews 1:5 When God brings his first born,is the first born his Father's son?
Yes!
The basic meaning of Angel.
=
Son of God/Messenger.

John 7:16, is Jesus Christ a messenger?
John10:36,is Jesus Christ the son of God?

Jesus , like Every first born is Preeminent, occupying a unique position and privilege of Inheritance above other Sons.

That's Hebrews 1:4-5 for you.