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Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by Nobody: 1:27pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
frosbel (m)English is not the only language on earth. there are millions of them. in yourba He is Olorun, English God, igbo Chineke, Hausa Ubangiji, igbira Omorihi , hebrew Yaweh, aramaic Elohi and Arabic Allah. are there bibles written in Arabic language? yes. there are Arab Christians too and they call God Allah because it is their language. how do I expect an ignoramus like you to know that. behold frosbel, a paragon of ignorance. |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by Nobody: 1:47pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
While ALLAH may indeed be the GOD in Arabic, I raise my hands here, as I am not a fluent speaker of Arabic, the fact is that the ALLAH of the Muslims who had 3 daughters is not the same as the ALLAH of the BIBLE !!!!! In other words Yahweh is not the same as the Muslims ALLAH. 2 different persons ! |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by manny4life(m): 2:56pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
BetaThings: Good question, first ask yourself what "the bible" is, then ask yourself about the Old testament, look at the difference, and after that you answer that question. I will NOT lecture you on the Bible during unnecessary arguments. If you're so interested, read up on the accounts of the Bible and know if it conforms with Jesus Christ teachings. Christians have been fighting religious wars for a long time? What has this got to do with me or what he's trying to justify? Go and meet someone who's interested in your religious Christian / Muslim history, that has absolutely nothing to do with him trying to use violence to justify the Bible and God. On that note, if there were any wars reflected in the Bible that you want to refute, then go right on. Why should I tell you about Muslim wars? Dude, I'm no Muslim, I'm a Christian, and even as one, I'm certainly concerned with myself with what happened in the Bible and NOT religious history and confrontations. Again, if you have anything to refute in the Bible, like your fellow cohort who's was talking about the Midianites, or the promise land, then go right ahead and spill it. Well if there are accounts in the NEW testaments that are contradictory, at least if it's contradictory to the Old Testament, then let us know. I'll be more delighted to know how the Bible contradicts itself. On that note, don't give me your contradictions based on your religious Christians / Muslim history because I'm certainly NOT interested. Take your religious history to those who want to hear them. |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by Nobody: 3:59pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
I think those killers just use d tense atmosphere between xtians and muslims to carry out their evil work, its absurd dat some pple will kill because one can not read quran, that is not islam! |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by Everfrank(m): 5:40pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
People who claim to be intelligent are believing any nonsense they read or hear. Am sorry for Naija. |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by hbrednic: 5:57pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
THE EARTH. |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by Gerrard59(m): 9:57pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
Cc |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by mekaboy(m): 10:23pm On Sep 25, 2011 |
THOSE WHO WANT NIGERIA TO SEPERATE ARE SERIOUSLY LOOKING FOR MEANS TO CAUSE A WAR BETWEEN TRIBES OF THIS COUNTRY. THESE NORTHERN LEADERS CANNOT ALLOW JONATHAN 4 YEARS, THEY WANT TO DO EVERYTHING TO MAKE THESE 4 YEARS MISERABLE FOR NIGERIANS. GOD WILL DESTROY THEM AND THEIR GENERATIONS. |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by londoner: 1:41am On Sep 26, 2011 |
This is very sad, and deliberately provocative by some Muslim elements in Nigeria. I find the fact that some people are immediately heaping the "blame" on the Igbo victims for being in the "north" a crime in itself. This happened in Madala market which is situated in the outskirts of Abuja, the nations capital and not in "the north" as such. Even so, it does not give anyone the right to kill them. When the western people working in the UN building in Abuja were bombed, did you react with the same heartless blame on them? Was anybody's first reaction to criticise their decision to come and work/live in or near Abuja? These days it takes a whole lot for some Nigerians to actually have a genuine human feeling/empathy towards one another. For those saying it is robbery, how many robbers leave all valuables behind ![]() |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by BetaThings: 4:09am On Sep 26, 2011 |
frosbel: I have lost it? So what is it that you still have? Shall we review your posts? On some occassions, you admonish people to be civil, but normally, you are abusive and incite hate Shall we review each other's posts? It is a challenge to know who is unlikely to be able to conduct civil discourse Of course, everything in the Bible or whatever you read into it is a fact But my own understanding of the Quran is not a fact? Right? Open up your mind! This is what is called conceit frosbel: No doubt, Muslims fight. But there are regulations as to how Muslims conduct themselves in a war. Muslims do not need the various treaties governing how to avoid war crimes. These already exist in Islamic doctrine While quoting how muslims fight, you would never quote how they are to conduct themselves Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors The above implies that there are limits and rules. Again that is the reason why a Muslims does not just go an retaliate in response to an attack. Conditions must be satisfied You quarrel against persecution. How I wish Christians would wait to be persecuted before fighting You would never mention that Muslims are even required to fight to PROTECT Non-Muslims who are under their protection Eg It is the duty of Saudi Arabia to fight Muslims who want to attack non-muslims living in that country I went to a Christian School and was assailed with stories of love, forgiveness 7 x 70 times etc In real life I saw that they took slaves, started two world wars, fought themselves, burnt people at the stake etc You never mentioned Note that there is nothing to guide how Christians fight wars. No divine guidance on limits in war. They claim they should forgive. But they fight wars without restraint. Isn't that worse? You misquoted the verse below. Deliberately frosbel:2: 191 "And slay them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers." The bolded part is pivotal. But you (Frosbel) left it out in your bid to state a FACT? 2:192 But if they cease, then Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful 2:193 Fight them until there is no more persecution and worship is for Allah . But if they cease, then let there be no hostility except against the oppressors. The part in bold is also important, but it is missing from your post. DELIBERATE? Of course and you will accuse people of lying! frosbel:There are two duties in Islam - individual and communal. Praying 5 times a day is an individual obligation. Praying on the dead is communal. An individual may not participate so long as some in the community have done it A lot of people will not fight to defend muslim land, women and children if they are not encouraged Afterall, if I don't participate in a war, it does not mean I would not benefit from the security the defence of my land provides Allah rewards those who fight against oppressors. That is the benefit mentioned Muslims are told not to fight for loot 4:94 O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation: "Thou art none of a believer!" Coveting the perishable goods of this life: with Allah are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves before, till Allah conferred on you His favours: Therefore carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware of all that ye do. frosbel: Anybody who disbelieves in Allah is destined for hellfire. A muslim cannot grant any waiver for this. Afterall, it is the creator talking about His creation Is that not really the position of Christainity or any religion for the matter? The book of Corinthians call Christians "light' and all of us non-Christians "darkness" The Bible Thessalonians 2 The 1: 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 2Th. 1:9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power So the Bible warns non-believers too (including Muslims) frosbel:Don't run away from battle. Be bold, courageous. Is that not what any leader tells his soldier? That is the creed of any modern army The reason why Muhammed Ali was jailed was because he refused to go to war When a nation is threatened, it is in the interest of everyone to support the war effort There is no army that dispute it Are you really saying Americans regard those who do not join the war on terror as "peaceful" Of course, we saw a lot of peaceful western nations taking sides all the time in foreign battles So early Christians were led meekly to slaughter! by who? So when did the relevation not be led into battle come But newer Christians have perfected the art of leading non-christians to salughther How many Nigerians who fought in Myanmar (Burma) during WWII knew why they were fighting Christians are now experts in blackmail, intrigue and oppression Many Africans slaves were branded with hor iron, their lips padlocked while they laboured in hunger under the scorching sun on sugarcane plantation frosbel: We know that the Bible can give contradictory instructions Obasanjo recently said Proverbs advise that People should not respond to mad people The next verse advise they should be responded to You can always pick those you like and hide those that do not support your position And we know that Christians tell us the entire Bible is inspired They make a lot of fundamental assertions using the Old Testament But quickly distance themselves when the acts of violence in the Old Testament are pointed out My point is, why were those things in the Old Testament inspired Here the Bible applauds killing Hebrews is in the New Testament BTW Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all And he got 10% of war booty You cite passages of forgiveness. But Jesus told us that Christians will reject non-Christians. Mathew 10 : 34 - 39 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” The above gives Christians the right to shun non-Christians Furthermore, 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 "Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, 'I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,' says the Lord. 'And do not touch what is unclean; And I will welcome you. And I will be a Father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to Me,' Says the Lord Almighty." Revelations 6 : 10 We also see in the book of revelations that Christians do not truly forgive. The dead keep up the harrasment "“How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” A forgiving soul would say something different, wouldn't it Mathew 8 : 5-13 When Jesus baptised the Roman Centurion who said he had soldiers under him Jesus was amazed at the amount of faith the soldier displayed, but the soldier was not counselled as to how to fight wars Yet we know that Romans were among the most brutal warriors in all mankind So when, as you claim, Muslims are pagans who should not be allowed to infect Christians with their "heresies", do you think Muslims believe in your trinity which is similar to idolatry? Beseeching Allah through an intermediary is a great sin. BTW, so when you live with Muslims how do you ensure they do not spread their "heresies" We know, you just burn them at the stakes. We saw that during the inquisition We remember people were forced to convert to Christianity or expelled from Spain under Queen Isabella These days, you persecute and make it difficult to practise their religion because it is not fashionable anymore to burn people publicly |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by BetaThings: 7:13am On Sep 26, 2011 |
londoner: It is sad and heartless for anyone to ask what some people are doing in the North. There are Northerners in the South afterall. My worry is that the story may not be accurate. I agree that it is curious. But really who are the witnesses to the event who told Vanguard these details Look at these two accounts of the same event Vice chancellor averts religious crisis at Ibadan university http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/National/5607292-147/vice_chancellor_averts_religious_crisis_at.csp A 400-level law student of the institution, Seun Bunmi Adegunsoye, was said to have almost provoked tension, as she intruded on a Jumat service going on at a mosque within the university community, shouting ‘accept Jesus’. Ms Adegunsoye, a Christian evangelical and a student of the Law faculty, nearly disrupted the ongoing service led by the institution’s chief imam, Abdulrahman Oloyede, as she continued screaming, “Except you accept Christ in your life, you are not safe. All of you here, no matter the number of the congregation, accept Jesus Christ. Allah is not God; Jesus is Lord”. Muslim students paralyse academic activities in UI THE stir caused by a female student who [b]allegedl[/b]y preached against Islam during a Jumat service in the University of Ibadan mosque, has led to the paralysis of all academic and commercial activities in the institution. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/08/muslim-students-paralyse-academic-activities-in-ui/ My point - the press should be careful in reporting the truth. Otherwise needless death might arise from false reporting As for this case, I hope a more accurate report will come out |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by Rafaell(m): 1:00pm On Sep 26, 2011 |
@Onlytruth, no need 2bust ur blood buble ova these anarchists; lik U ritely said, "let us al reserv enegy & resourcs 4d greata & mo puposeful evnts dt wil be unfoldin very soonest. They tink bloodlettin's d sole reserv of only one group of pple. @ndu_ch, stop deceivn ursef; d thread aint abt nigerian traders killd, topic states clearly: "5 IGBO traders killd 4failin 2recit d quoran" Not 2wory, NL wil stil b here afta dsintegration wen d sharia-infestd fa.gots of d North wil b relegatd 2d Sahara Desertrth wil b relegatd 2d Sahara Desert |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by Mobsync(m): 6:54pm On Sep 26, 2011 |
5 killed for failing to recite Quran Let's not be biased, does the story make sense and how did people around know it was b'cos they couldn't recite the Qur'an? |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by Nobody: 7:26pm On Sep 26, 2011 |
I am tired of this kind of posting, It is simple, If a place is not religious friendly.GET THE FUCKOUT OF THERE, I BLAME NO BODY IF THE STORY IS TRUE, SICKEN NIGERIA |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by Castrodogy: 8:14pm On Sep 26, 2011 |
All those Islamic fools, Should get ready soon, For they shall atone for all their crimes. They are nothing but criminals, Cowards and illiterates. No wonder poverty and diseases has become their companion. As for those of you saying no sympathies, you better stop Ranting because soon you will either be Crippled or amputated, you know that is your portion, Hausa's are meant to rule cattle and not man. We Ibos will keep on making money to help you beggars, For that is your profession. Keep on begging from morning to nite, then you will end up under the tire of a trailer. You Islams know Evil and Evil Knows you, It will always be your Best friend. |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by OneNaira6: 9:19pm On Sep 26, 2011 |
North Nigerian Muslims are the worst Human beings on Earth. Why spill blood of innocent people over religion? May God punish them. |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by manny4life(m): 4:07am On Sep 27, 2011 |
@Beta Things, You're somewhat confused 2 The 1: 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 2Th. 1:9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power Did you read the beginning of the Bible before writting what you put up; just in case YOU MISSED THE MEMO, here it is. Greetings Paul, Silvanus and Timothy - Paul was prophet, Silvanus (co-worker) and Timothy was his adopted apprentice (spiritual son). To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Just in case you dd not know, Thessalonians was a church and Paul the Apostle wrote a letter to the elders of the church about God's Judgement and his GLORY. So please, how does that apply to present day non-believers including Muslims? The Bible was VERY clear to whom the letter was addressed to, please when NEXT you quote the Bible, quote it like it is, VERY IMPORTANT! Here the Bible applauds killing Hebrews is in the New Testament BTW Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; Now I see you are really confused, read the Bible thoroughly before jumping into conclusions. Abraham NEVER went to war, however, that was the only way to save his nephew otherwise he would have been kild; Melchizedek was the King of righteousness, a high priest of the most high and he blessed Abraham because he brought a 1/10th part (called tites). This is how he got involved; several kings of earth went to war against Sodom and Gomorrah, during the war, they took hold of Sodom, seized their produce and took LOT his nephew. One of the Hebrew who fled came to Abraham and told him that his nephew LOT was taken captive. Abraham, upon hearing the news took his servants and armed them. Abraham went to rescue his nephew LOT from the kings who had taken him captive, and he smooth them by night, took his nephew back, retrieved all his possessions as well as possessions the kings had removed from Sodom. Upon his return, he met King Melchizedek; King of righteousness and peace, there he gave 10% of his own (now what we call tites) as appreciates and thanksgiving to GOD because of the safe return of LOT his nephew, his possession, his household et al. (Ref: Genesis 14:1- end) that way, you will see the account and how it started. The Bible as you can see DID NOT support killing, get your facts straights. Mathew 10 : 34 - 39 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” Dude, this chapter just shows how further hat you just don't get it. The sword that our Lord Jesus Christ talk about is the Word of God (see Hebrew 4 vs 12, for the word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than two edged sword. Isaiah 49:2, for he has made my mouth like a sharp sword, still talking about the word of God). He said he did not come to earth to bring peace, read the two verses up (32 and 33) where it says about confession of your sins and following God and whoever denies him, he will deny before his father. He said that when you confess him, that you will have your own trials, (a burden every christian carries). The peace he talks about is those who do NOT accept the word, and the SWORD is the word of GOD.He even went on to say can two work together except they agree? That's why he said he who loves his father, mother, sister more than he does our Lord Jesus is NOT worth of him. So please seek understanding before you type these things "Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, 'I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,' says the Lord. 'And do not touch what is unclean; And I will welcome you. And I will be a Father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to Me,' Says the Lord Almighty." Again, you are missing it. This is a simple verse, what has light and darkness got to do? Paul wasn't saying Christians should not mix with them (1 Cor 5, 9-10, 1Cor 7, 12 to 13, etc). What St. Paul was talking about was that Christians SHOULD NOT COMPROMISE THEIR FAITH in business and believers should avoid situations that will divide their loyalties. For instance, a thief if you compromise your faith with, it means you fall out of glory with God. Anything evil that the world detest let alone what our Lord Jesus rebukes is not worth the entanglement. As you see my friend, no one will is shunning anyone. We also see in the book of revelations that Christians do not truly forgive. The dead keep up the harrasment "“How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” A forgiving soul would say something different, wouldn't it This is simple, our Lord God knows that wickedness prevails on earth; who are you to speak for the dead? A forgiving soul would or not say something different because it's same GOD who said, I will fight your battle and you will hold your peace (Ex 14:14). When Islamic terrorist kill innocent Christians and then you'll come to me to preach forgiveness, yeah Christians will forgive but that does not mean God's word will come back to him unaccomplished (whoever digs a pit, will fall into it and whoever breaks the hedge, the serpent will bite Exc 10, 8 and 9). |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by NegroNtns(m): 8:55pm On Sep 29, 2011 |
Lets not jump to foolish conclusions because this incident may very well be an act to settle scores between feuding parties. Why was that particular shop targeted when there are countless other shops operated by Igbos in the market? Unfortunately, we may never know the truth because of our incompetent criminal investigators. ndu_chuks, Regardless of the undercurrent issue, do you see recitation of the Quran as some sort of civic-based test to legitimize presence in the North? |
Re: 5 Igbo traders Killed For Failing To Recite Qu'ran by mozele(m): 6:04pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Ogbonaikenna: It is not all about coming down to the east. If we return back to the east are there measures put in place to take care of us and our families without looking at us as burdens? |
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