Thanks very much

Peerielass:


Hi megabus would probably be the cheapest but not necessarily the best. You can get the overnight bus so you are arriving in London around 8am and going straight to Nigerian House. You will also be able to get the overnight bus from London back to Glasgow the same day so no need for hotel. However as this very long journey and I wouldn’t recommend this unless you are really strapped for cash.

The other two options would mostly likely require an overnight stay in London. You could use the train, tickets go for about £25 one way if booked in advance. As your appointment is in July, you will be able to snag a cheap ticket. You could also use one of the budget airlines eg EasyJet, even British Airways has reasonable flight only deals to London.

Whatever you do, ensure you get to Nigerian House as early as possible. Ignore the appointment time and arrive in plenty of time. Hopefully you will not encounter any issues and should be done latest by 1pm.

Peerielass:


Please enlighten me on how the post graduate students are more deserving of dependant visa than their undergraduate counterpart.

The Uk and the schools are no fools, if they will get more from undergraduates, they won't need to give dependents of postgraduates visas, It's a numbers game and that's what they did. How many undergraduates are married compared to postgraduates, this is no raffle draw or charity but a pure numbers game. And the data shows it all. They needed the dependent revenue that undergraduates can't give, period.

Goke7:


The Uk and the schools are no fools, if they will get more from undergraduates, they won't need to give dependents of postgraduates visas, It's a numbers game and that's what they did. How many undergraduates are married compared to postgraduates, this is no raffle draw or charity but a pure numbers game. And the data shows it all. They needed the dependent revenue that undergraduates can't give, period.

I don’t agree with this explanation. I’d say the international students that come here for undergraduate programmes are mostly from middle class background and majority of them go back home voluntarily after their studies to use their degree in their respective countries. They government are aware that these people will always come to study in the UK irrespective of the immigration policy because they value British Education. So no need to dangle carrots in front of these people.

Whereas they needed to change the policy to attract more international post graduate students to bridge the funding gap caused by Brexit and the inability of universities to secure EU grants now that we are no longer part of the EU. However this has backfired and they have retraced their steps. Like I said before it’s a case of damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Funny enough in my postgraduate class back in the day, the Chinese, Malays, Indians and Europeans were all single and in their early 20s, it was only the Africans that were in their > 30 and had families back home. Then we weren’t allowed to bring dependants in.

Goodnight lovely folks and thanks to everyone that has contributed to this discussion. We agree to disagree👍

P.S did anyone see the Nigerian guy that represented Ukraine in the Eurovision context? 😃

BuildingProject:


Milk type no matter.
The most important is the milk to change the taste of the kolaq cause it is bitter(Agbo). And so that it can form a perfect smoothie and you can drink it in her presence without you questioned about the buildingproject you wan start. 😂🤣🤣😂

Peerielass:


I don’t agree with this explanation. I’d say the international students that come here for undergraduate programmes are mostly from middle class background and majority of them go back home voluntarily after their studies to use their degree in their respective countries. They government are aware that these people will always come to study in the UK irrespective of the immigration policy because they value British Education. So no need to dangle carrots in front of these people.

Whereas they needed to change the policy to attract more international post graduate students to bridge the funding gap caused by Brexit and the inability of universities to secure EU grants now that we are no longer part of the EU. However this has backfired and they have retraced their steps. Like I said before it’s a case of damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Funny enough in my postgraduate class back in the day, the Chinese, Malays, Indians and Europeans were all single and in their early 20s, it was only the Africans that were in their > 30 and had families back home. Then we weren’t allowed to bring dependants in.

Goodnight lovely folks and thanks to everyone that has contributed to this discussion. We agree to disagree👍

P.S did anyone see the Nigerian guy that represented Ukraine in the Eurovision context? 😃

I don’t agree with your explanation too and thank God you said they needed funding so why did they not solely rely on undergraduates for that funding. At the end we said the same thing- numbers game. When they need money again, the almighty Uk will open up to get more money, shikena.

This article on Metro sums up the whole motive behind the Ukrainian settlement scheme.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/14/we-should-care-about-all-asylum-seekers-not-just-ones-who-look-like-us-16440666/

The whole summary of it is it wasn't particularly motivated by care for humanity, but rather by care for "humans who look like us".

Zahra29:


That you have not come across them does not mean that they do not exist. They do, in droves. I have conducted recruitment interviews for postgraduates from leading universities and majority were British (white, Asian, black etc), followed by Chinese and Indian nationals.

International students currently account for only 18% of universities' income, so please stop making it sound like the UK is full of uneducated and unskilled folk.

Uk student ratio - 78%. Percentage of university income- 31%
International students - 16%. Percentage of university income 17%.

It's quite clear why universities are falling over themselves lobbying the government and publishing research showing the contribution of these bright minds.

Out of curiosity, let me ask. What do you make of Nigerian doctors who come to the UK, get some added training, a British passport, a house they'd later rent out and then move to Canada or Australia where the pay and work balance is better?

Zahra29:


I won't go into detail on this as I've already posted relevant government statements on this matter. But all I'll say is that if the government didn't want or expect students to return home, then they would make the student or PSW route count towards settlement, ie it would be an immigrant route just like Tier 2 or a spousal visa - like Canada.

The PSW counts to settlement for the 10 year route. I listened to a Scotland MP and you could tell how bittered she was about this ban. She spoke at length of how international students contributed £43 billion to the UK economy. She touched on the rich talents of students and their dependents that have helped fill shortage occupations in healthcare, technology and engineering.

I was a senior process engineer back home with several years of offshore, onshore and Design engineering experience. Most student dependents are very highly skilled and you can imagine the wealth of experience and contributions we could bring to the UK labor force that is in dire need of highly skilled individuals.

Rather we are faced with limitations and restrictions and many are doing jobs far lower than their academic standard. Yet we remain undeterred. Our host cry out for lack of skilled professionals forgetting that they have a large pool of skilled professionals (student and skilled worker dependents) being under used and overlooked.

According to the Scottish MP. The Home Secretary wants to score cheap political points by fighting immigration at all cost even when it favors the UK and unfortunately international students are caught in the cross fire

She said there is nothing wrong for students and their dependents to seek for a better future beyond their studies and help grow the UK economy.

It's their land and their rules but they shouldn't victimise people who play by the rules and absolve politicians of failing to improve the system.

jedisco:


Out of curiosity, let me ask. What do you make of Nigerian doctors who come to the UK, get some added training, a British passport, a house they'd later rent out and then head off to Canada or Australia where the pay and work balance is better?

I have no opinion on the matter. If I relied solely on Nigerian doctors for my or my family's care, than I would probably be bothered. However my family has been treated here by wonderful doctors and surgeons from the UK, Hong Kong , India, so I'm confident the NHS will be fine.

Progressivegee:



The PSW counts to settlement for the 10 year route. I listened to a Scotland MP and you could tell how bittered she was about this ban. She spoke at length of how international students contributed £43 billion to the UK economy. She touched on the rich talents of students and their dependents that have helped fill shortage occupations in healthcare, technology and engineering.

I was a senior process engineer back home with several years of offshore, onshore and Design engineering experience. Most student dependents are very highly skilled and you can imagine the wealth of experience and contributions we could bring to the UK labor force that is in dire need of highly skilled individuals.

Rather we are faced with limitations and restrictions and many are doing jobs far lower than their academic standard. Yet we remain undeterred. Our host cry out for lack of skilled professionals forgetting that they have a large pool of skilled professionals (student and skilled worker dependents) being under used and overlooked.

The SNP have always been pro immigration, pro asylum seekers, pro gay/trans rights.... basically pro most things that the Tories are against.

With regards to the bolded, many Nigerians successfully obtain Tier 2 visas from Nigeria or elsewhere outside the UK. Being in the UK should be a huge advantage to job seeking dependents, so I'm not sure what limitations or restrictions you mean.

Strange though. Try other score platforms like Totally Money, Credit Karma or Clearscore and see if that helps improve things. Your bank may also have a similar service for their customers

Intrepidone:


Yes to all the above with DD Setup since December 2022 for all household bills and mobile.

20 hrs restriction for students. Most employers or recruiters would not give you the chance to discuss further once they hear that restriction in place.

Zahra29:


The SNP have always been pro immigration, pro asylum seekers, pro gay/trans rights.... basically pro most things that the Tories are against.

With regards to the bolded, many Nigerians successfully obtain Tier 2 visas from Nigeria or elsewhere outside the UK. Being in the UK should be a huge advantage to job seeking dependents, so I'm not sure what limitations or restrictions you mean.

bigtt76:
20 hrs restriction for students. Most employers or recruiters would not give you the chance to discuss further once they hear that restriction in place.

The PP was talking about dependents though, who have no restrictions on their hours.

Zahra29:


I have no opinion on the matter. If I relied solely on Nigerian doctors for my or my family's care, than I would probably be bothered. However my family has been treated here by wonderful doctors and surgeons from the UK, Hong Kong , India, so I'm confident the NHS will be fine.

It's not about the NHS but the docs in question.
Do you think they're also 'taking advantage of the system' or going to Canada thru a back door?

jedisco:


It's not about the NHS but the docs in question.
Do you think they're also 'taking advantage of the system' or going to Canada thru a back door?

As with other foreign workers, the docs came here on an immigrant work visa and paid taxes from day 1 so I don't see how they've taken advantage of the system. It's up to Canada if they think they're using a back door in

Zahra29:


As with other foreign workers, the docs came here on an immigrant work visa and paid taxes from day 1 so I don't see how they've taken advantage of the system. It's up to Canada if they think they're using a back door in

Lol... let me shock you by telling you most docs/nurses gain more from the system than most of the masters students while arguably contribute same/less

First they dont pay 15k but arrive with the full gamut of their family.
They are exempt from IHS
They can many times be exempt from the 20hr rule
The get the full benefits of working for the NHS.. pensions e.t.c
The system rewards their labour better despite not necessarily working harder than others

The masters students do not benefit any of these but contribute significantly higher sums.

I wonder which group is a drain on the system. The health workers perhaps

jedisco:


Lol... let me shock you by telling you most docs/nurses gain more from the system than most of the masters students while arguably contribute same/less

First they dont pay 15k but arrive with the full gamut of their family.
They are exempt from IHS
They can many times be exempt from the 20hr rule
The get the full benefits of working for the NHS.. pensions e.t.c
The system rewards their labour better despite not necessarily working harder than others

The masters students do not benefit any of these but contribute significantly higher sums.

I wonder which group is a drain on the system. The health workers perhaps

I'm sorry but this makes no sense to me.

Why are you comparing masters students to doctors and nurses?

And at the risk of over- repeating myself: the gov has no issue with masters students. It was the unsustainable and disproportionate number of dependents that became the issue.

I've derailed this thread enough (before Justwise bans me lol 🙈 )

Thanks for the interesting dialogue 🙂

Peerielass:


Please enlighten me on how the post graduate students are more deserving of dependant visa than their undergraduate counterpart.

Undergraduate students are not supposed to be within the age range that will have dependants.

AirBay:


Undergraduate students are not supposed to be within the age range that will have dependants.

Why not?

deept:


Why not?

The govt does not want them to have distractions

AirBay:


The govt does not want them to have distractions

Lol

deept:


Immigrant vs. non immigrant visa

Immigrant - the gov knows you are here to stay.

Non-immigrant - it is expected that you return after the purpose of your trip is fulfilled.

LionInZion:
This article on Metro sums up the whole motive behind the Ukrainian settlement scheme.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/14/we-should-care-about-all-asylum-seekers-not-just-ones-who-look-like-us-16440666/

The whole summary of it is it wasn't particularly motivated by care for humanity, but rather by care for "humans who look like us".

I have said it before.

All these have racist undertones: the discriminatory nature of humans once again comes to bare.

One thing I like about nairaland is, you can easily get a poll result without carrying out any research.

All the conversation has been about student coming to UK to contribute to taxes. The £15k pound adds to the purse of the school/ government

I don’t think I read anyone value the education gotten in return or even attributed some of the amount paid (our assumed £15k) to any quality or value of the education received or to be received.

Does that mean that we all came here for solely migration and no course for self improvement in the form of education?

If we pay £15k, we minus the education (quality depending on your school), then you know what is left. we only talk about contributing to tax without the value we got in return.

One way to get less sentimental is plan without sentiment. First come to study and let every other thing play out. There are lots of country looking for professionals. Do your masters and apply for job to not just UK companies but other countries too. If/when you get a job in maybe Ireland or Switzerland, you are going there in a different level and will be respected.

A lot of people are making this whole UK thing look like we are all running without any positive mission. Imagine a professional coming to UK to do masters, then jump to care home just to continue to stay in the UK. Why not develop yourself and look for where your 10yrs experience can get you and your family a better life. The data for some of these things are available (when the little things are put together, it becomes a big thing). When a Univeristy sponsor you and you come here, then switch, it’s loss on the Univeristy that has sponsored you.

Sometimes you have to think from the other person’s perspective. I don’t mean selfish politicians seeking for supporters by coming up with selfish and silly ideas.

Atleast if there is nothing to learn from all of this, we have learnt that:

1. we can come to school and get a valued sponsorship or relocate to where we will be considered professionals that we are.

2. We can learn to talk less and respect ourself. The number of people promoting fake account and bumped account is just crazy. We do this things like the UK people are fools. Tik Tok (I believe to be for social fun) is now the marketing avenue for care jobs and bump account.

3. Reduce our greed and selfishness.

4. Really care and love each other

5. Use education to improve ourself so that we can make a change and not just to run away.

You can go with the kolaq formula if you want a quick one. But for continuity and without going to back to KOLAQ, you can easily introduce these fruits into Sir Borris in-between meals- cucumber, banana, watermelon and groundnut. The resultant effect should manifest in 7 to 14 working days.
And the only thing he will need before starting the foundation to the mansion building project will be water intake and a jar of additional H2O by the side. Who says one don't sweat in this youkay. He will surely perspire cos the project will require extra time.
And be ready to receive greetings from your neighbors that are always minding their businesses when next they see you two. Toripe ogiri ile UK leti 😎😁.

Try this and don't mention.

You are welcome.

Kelly of Doncaster has spoken!!😎👌

BuildingProject:


Milk type no matter.
The most important is the milk to change the taste of the kolaq cause it is bitter(Agbo). And so that it can form a perfect smoothie and you can drink it in her presence without you questioned about the buildingproject you wan start. 😂🤣🤣😂

Should we say no thanks to Ma Suella, fiercely defended by Sir Sunak, Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant: Politics and political issues loading ... ... ...
NB: obviously, not coming from me!

deept:


Immigrant - the gov knows you are here to stay.

Non-immigrant - it is expected that you return after the purpose of your trip is fulfilled.

Oh, I think I get your point now. But tbh, bringing non immigrant vs immigrant Visa argument to a UK immigration discussion seems off topic.

The last time I checked, it's the US, not the UK, that uses such categorisation. And even in that US, many non immigrant visas like H1B, L1, O1 are dual-intent routes, meaning holders can switch from them to various categories of employment based migrant visas aka green card.

And the non dual intent like F1 has options for things like OPT, which you can switch from first to H1B, and then later to a migrant Visa, so long you meet the requirements.

And that's my point in the other post you quoted. It's normal for people, regardless of their original route into a country, to switch from one immigration status to another. It doesn't matter the Visa you came with, as long as you undergo the lawful process, nobody should call it backdoor migration.

misterkelly:
You can go with the kolaq formula if you want a quick one. But for continuity and without going to back to KOLAQ, you can easily introduce these fruits into Sir Borris in-between meals- cucumber, banana, watermelon and groundnut. The resultant effect should manifest in 7 to 14 working days.
And the only thing he will need before starting the foundation to the mansion building project will be water intake and a jar of additional H2O by the side. Who says one don't sweat in this youkay. He will surely perspire cos the project will require extra time.
And be ready to receive greetings from your neighbors that are always minding their businesses when next they see you two. Toripe ogiri ile UK leti 😎😁.

Try this and don't mention.

You are welcome.

Kelly of Doncaster has spoken!!😎👌

you are very correct..eat right, drink enough water, curb your anxiety, have enough ***..you mind go everly re-calibrate..and you will build house anyday anytime any where, even at a second's notice. I wouldn't want to argue whether these things work or not, cos I am convinced for most it is a psychological placebo effect, BUT the inherent problem with this is you haven't fixed your psyche at all, and would soon get mentally fixated and dependent on this as some sort of magic cocktail you need to take to be able to perform. Kuku fix the psyche and you would need none of this, anyday anytime anywhere with anywho you go perform...but hey it's all good anywhich way sha

Zahra29:


I'm sorry but this makes no sense to me.

Why are you comparing masters students to doctors and nurses?

And at the risk of over- repeating myself: the gov has no issue with masters students. It was the unsustainable and disproportionate number of dependents that became the issue.

I've derailed this thread enough (before Justwise bans me lol 🙈 )

Thanks for the interestin dialogue 🙂

Suella Braverman You are not derailing stay back to defend your policy ..lol

Madeu:

I was telling someone this on Tuesday. My department employed five international recruits last year. The five were Nigerians. Learnt another one is coming this year. A lot of my Senior colleagues are always furious when lot of Nigerians in Nigeira apply for job vacancies. .

Why is that?

Chreze:

Does that mean that we all came here for solely migration and no course for self improvement in the form of education?

Well, I came for self-improvement in the form of education hence the reason why I hand picked the course I did by module offered. I want to keep improving so I don't have to work care homes for 5 years and so I can migrate to a better country with more opportunities as progression is often checked during visa applications (US, AU etc)

Discovered that most of the self-improvement can be done before one is done with the MSc programme as the clock starts to tick and bills start to count once one's done hence the reason why most just go with the path of least resistance (Care, Support etc)

Can only speak for myself though

misterkelly:
You can go with the kolaq formula if you want a quick one. But for continuity and without going to back to KOLAQ, you can easily introduce these fruits into Sir Borris in-between meals- cucumber, banana, watermelon and groundnut. The resultant effect should manifest in 7 to 14 working days.
And the only thing he will need before starting the foundation to the mansion building project will be water intake and a jar of additional H2O by the side. Who says one don't sweat in this youkay. He will surely perspire cos the project will require extra time.
And be ready to receive greetings from your neighbors that are always minding their businesses when next they see you two. Toripe ogiri ile UK leti 😎😁.

Kelly of Doncaster has spoken!!😎👌

Sir Kelly
Msc Construction and Building Management
PHd Project Mixology & Delivery Specialist
Project Manager CIPM, Prince 2, Agile PM