lawani:


Olodumare is the King of human beings in the non material state which is like that our own society. According to Yoruba theology they have Awos to in heaven and it is sound enough for me to believe but you of course don't have to believe.

Stop lying, There’s no where olodumare is said to be kings of human beings, there’s no where in yoruba mythology where there is orun rere or orun apadi.
There’s no yoruba theology that says there is awo in heaven.

Have knowledge on what you say, the orun in yoruba mythology is not same with your greek heaven that has gates.
And olorun is ALOOF in yoruba mythology.

I am not a believer, you believe what you lack knowledge on.

Maynman:


Stop lying, There’s no where olodumare is said to be kings of human beings, there’s no where in yoruba mythology where there is orun rere or orun apadi.
There’s no yoruba theology that says there is awo in heaven.

Have knowledge on what you say, the orun in yoruba mythology ins not same with your greek heaven that has gates.
And olorun is ALOOF in yoruba mythology.

I am not a believer, you believe what you lack knowledge on.

You sound very stupid to say I am lying. What do you mean?

lawani:


No one is big enough but you can work at cross purposes with God by doing evil

The devil surely is, he made your god sacrifice his son to himself before he can forgive you , did your omniscience god know that jesus will be sacrificed before he created the devil? Was it in his “grand plan”?

lawani:

You sound very stupid to say I am lying. What do you mean?

I mean you are lying.

How low can you go defending your deity?
What lies will you tell again?

Maynman:


Stop lying, There’s no where olodumare is said to be kings of human beings, there’s no where in yoruba mythology where there is orun rere or orun apadi.
There’s no yoruba theology that says there is awo in heaven.

Have knowledge on what you say, the orun in yoruba mythology is not same with your greek heaven that has gates.
And olorun is ALOOF in yoruba mythology.

I am not a believer, you believe what you lack knowledge on.

Irunmales are non material human beings. Olodumare is their King. The name of their capital is Ogotun and his title is Agotun. He chairs a ruling council of 401 irunmales. He himself is an irunmale. That is the teaching in Yoruba theology. There is nothing like orun apaadi or orun rere. I think those are descriptions brought into Yoruba language through religion. Heaven is just like Earth, so Olodumare is married with wife, kids,servants and etc but no account of God becoming flesh in Yoruba theology. It is heresy in Yoruba theology to say God is incarnated. God can only be incarnated if he was deposed in heaven which means he is no longer God and it is the current God we should be interested in.

lawani:


Irunmales are non material human beings. Olodumare is their King. The name of their capital is Ogotun and his title is Agotun. He chairs a ruling council of 401 irunmales. He himself is an irunmale. That is the teaching in Yoruba theology. There is nothing like orun apaadi or orun rere. I think those are descriptions brought into Yoruba language through religion. Heaven is just like Earth, so Olodumare is married with wife, kids,servants and etc but no account of God becoming flesh in Yoruba theology. It is heresy in Yoruba theology to say God is incarnated. God can only be incarnated if he was deposed in heaven which means he is no longer God and it is the current God we should be interested in.

Stop lying.
How low can you go?

lawani:


Irunmales are non material human beings. Olodumare is their King. The name of their capital is Ogotun and his title is Agotun. He chairs a ruling council of 401 irunmales. He himself is an irunmale. That is the teaching in Yoruba theology. There is nothing like orun apaadi or orun rere. I think those are descriptions brought into Yoruba language through religion. Heaven is just like Earth, so Olodumare is married with wife, kids,servants and etc but no account of God becoming flesh in Yoruba theology.

Irunmales only exist in yoruba mythology.


“Heaven is just like earth”, there is no “heaven” in yoruba mythology.
Heaven is not a PLACE. Heaven means SKY.


Orun has been translated as Heaven. But the truth is Orun and Islamic / Christian Heaven doesn't mean the same thing.
The idea of heaven filled with golden streets, 72 virgins and mansion is Alien to us. Also the concept of Heaven is UP and Hell is Down is foreign to us. infact, we don't have the equivalent of Hellfire in Yoruba language .. The word hell was translated as Orun Apadi. Apadi literally mean "Broken Pot" The original stance of afterlife of the yoruba people is misconceived/altered by Islam and christianity.

So what is Orun?
Orun is a contraction of Orirun.
The word Orirun is formed from two words "Ori" and "Run" Ori is very important to yoruba people, that's why you can't see any Yoruba art or sculpture without the head, sometimes it's just the head.

There are two types of Ori:
(1) Ori Ode (Physical Head)
- used extensively to mean
-- The top
-- The Physical Self(A whole)
-- The Pinnace
-- The highest point
-- The main place
-- The major point
(2) Ori Inú (Spiritual Head)
-- Soul
-- Spiritual self
Used extensively as:
--Destiny
--Life path
--Life purpose

When "Run" means:
--Originated (from)
--initiate (from)
--stem (from)
When you put Ori-run together it means the main place of origination.
The synonyms will be "The Source"
The word doesn't suggest a particular place in the sky.
According to Yoruba belief, when you die, you join your soul group. It might be below the ground, Jupiter, or one of the stars. Orrun (The source) is not a specific place. They believe that when you die, you go back to that particular source you came from. Orun or Orirun is not one specific place where everybody goes.
Orun is just a strong version of Orírun.
There is no promise of mansions, streets filled with gold, praising a deity for eternity while others burn in hell

lawani:


It is heresy in Yoruba theology to say God is incarnated. God can only be incarnated if he was deposed in heaven which means he is no longer God and it is the current God we should be interested in.

You don’t even know what heresy means.

lawani:


It is heresy in Yoruba theology to say God is incarnated. God can only be incarnated if he was deposed in heaven which means he is no longer God and it is the current God we should be interested in.

How can a non-material human being die?
Who created death and the ability to die?

“Olorun can only be incarnated if he was deposed in orun which means he is no longer olorun and it is the current olorun we should be interested in.”


That’s how you sound.

Maynman:

You don’t even know what heresy means.

Actually no heresy in any traditional theology because no religion but presently as there is now religion, heresy needs to be introduced. Culture is never static

Maynman:

Irunmales only exist in yoruba mythology.


“Heaven is just like earth”, there is no “heaven” in yoruba mythology.
Heaven is not a PLACE. Heaven means SKY.


Orun has been translated as Heaven. But the truth is Orun and Islamic / Christian Heaven doesn't mean the same thing.
The idea of heaven filled with golden streets, 72 virgins and mansion is Alien to us. Also the concept of Heaven is UP and Hell is Down is foreign to us. infact, we don't have the equivalent of Hellfire in Yoruba language .. The word hell was translated as Orun Apadi. Apadi literally mean "Broken Pot" The original stance of afterlife of the yoruba people is misconceived/altered by Islam and christianity.

So what is Orun?
Orun is a contraction of Orirun.
The word Orirun is formed from two words "Ori" and "Run" Ori is very important to yoruba people, that's why you can't see any Yoruba art or sculpture without the head, sometimes it's just the head.

There are two types of Ori:
(1) Ori Ode (Physical Head)
- used extensively to mean
-- The top
-- The Physical Self(A whole)
-- The Pinnace
-- The highest point
-- The main place
-- The major point
(2) Ori Inú (Spiritual Head)
-- Soul
-- Spiritual self
Used extensively as:
--Destiny
--Life path
--Life purpose

When "Run" means:
--Originated (from)
--initiate (from)
--stem (from)
When you put Ori-run together it means the main place of origination.
The synonyms will be "The Source"
The word doesn't suggest a particular place in the sky.
According to Yoruba belief, when you die, you join your soul group. It might be below the ground, Jupiter, or one of the stars. Orrun (The source) is not a specific place. They believe that when you die, you go back to that particular source you came from. Orun or Orirun is not one specific place where everybody goes.
Orun is just a strong version of Orírun.
There is no promise of mansions, streets filled with gold, praising a deity for eternity while others burn in hell

In Yoruba theology all existence both heaven and Earth consisting of all galaxies, alternate universes dark matter, baryonic matter and etc are inside two calabashes covered one on top of each other. Me and you are inside this covered calabash

lawani:


Actually no heresy in any traditional theology because no religion but presently as there is now religion, heresy needs to be introduced. Culture is never static

All religion is traditional.

You lack what heresy means.
A thing can only be heresy after it has been concluded by the members of that society.

Your trinity was made orthodox and other heresy because it was concluded in the nicene creed with the help of constantine.

The ignorance is alarming.

lawani:


In Yoruba theology all existence both heaven and Earth consisting of all galaxies, alternate universes and etc are inside two calabashes covered one on top of each other. Me and you are inside this covered calabash

In yoruba theology there is no “heaven”.
And again, heaven means SKY, not a place.

Stop lying!

Maynman:

All religion is traditional.

You lack what heresy means.
A thing can only be heresy after it has been concluded by the members of that society.

Your trinity was made orthodox and other heresy became it was concluded in the nicene creed with the help of constantine.

The ignorance is alarming.

That is exactly what I mean by saying heresy should be introduced but people should not be prevented from practicing heresy behind closed doors in their private space where no one can see them

lawani:


That is exactly what I mean by saying heresy should be introduced but people should not be prevented from practicing heresy behind closed doors in their private space where no one can see them

You don’t know what “Heresy” means.
Heresy is simply the opinion with less support, it doesn’t mean it is wrong.

You worship the Trinity, a Catholic concept, even the early fathers reject it, it was made orthodox in nicene creed.
To non trinitarians, you are a heretic.

Maynman:

All religion is traditional.

You lack what heresy means.
A thing can only be heresy after it has been concluded by the members of that society.

Your trinity was made orthodox and other heresy because it was concluded in the nicene creed with the help of constantine.

The ignorance is alarming.

There are only two theologies of know it all mentality and animated hatred of others. They are the ones that want to convert the whole world. They are the only religions. Others are harmless traditions. I wonder when you will understand this. Islam and Christianity are the only religions

lawani:


There are only two theologies of know it all mentality and animated hatred of others. They are the ones that want to convert the whole world. They are the only religions. Others are harmless traditions. I wonder when you will understand this. Islam and Christianity are the only religions

There are other religions that predated christianity and islam.
Both stemming from Judaism, Abrahamaic religion.
Judaism comes from yahwism. Yes yahweh your god

No religion has killed more people than Christianity and islam.

The ignorance is alarming.

Maynman:

You don’t know what “Heresy” means.
Heresy is simply the opinion with less support, it doesn’t mean it is wrong.

You worship the Trinity, a Catholic concept, even the early fathers reject it, it was made orthodox in nicene creed.
To non trinitarians, you are a heretic.

You are right with your definition of heresy and by that definition both Islam and Christianity are heresies while the theory of relativity is not

lawani:


You are right with your definition of heresy and by that definition both Islam and Christianity are heresies while the theory of relativity is not

Islam and christianity are not heresy, you still don’t get it.
It is DOCTRINE that can be heresy.
Your trinity is someone’s DOCTRINE supported by constantine, the reason why trinity is the main orthodox now is because of the support of him.

Catholic was made state religion in Rome, not christianity. Anyone that did not worship trinity was killed.

Maynman:

There are other religions that predated christianity and islam.
Both stemming from Judaism, Abrahamaic religion.
Judaism comes from yahwism. Yes yahweh your god

No religion has killed more people than Christianity and islam.

The ignorance is alarming.

Can you mention any other group in the world threatening people with hell fire for unbelief?. Wars of theology are the addition by Christianity and Islam to decivilize the world.

lawani:


Can you mention any other group in the world threatening people with hell fire for unbelief?. Wars of theology are the addition by Christianity and Islam to decivilize the world.

Your concept of “hell fire” is gotten from greek, norse, latin,judaism etc.

First start to learn where the word “hell” comes from before it was used in your New Testament.
What’s hell in Hebrew?
Your jewish savior is Jewish right, or did he speak English?
What did he call “hell”?

Maynman:

Islam and christianity are not heresy, you still don’t get it.
It is DOCTRINE that can be heresy.
Your trinity is someone’s DOCTRINE supported by constantine, the reason why trinity is the main orthodox now is because of the support of him.

Catholic was made state religion in Rome, not christianity. Anyone that did not worship trinity was killed.

Majority of clergy men don't accept the positions of Christianity nor Islam but majority accept the positions of Hindu, Buddhism, Isese, Shinto etc and since you said something is heresy if not accepted by the majority then it means Islam and Christianity are heresies

lawani:


Majority of clergy men don't accept the positions of Christianity nor Islam but majority accept the positions of Hindu, Buddhism, Isese, Shinto etc and since you said something is heresy if not accepted by the majority then it means Islam and Christianity are heresies

Where and when did “clergy men” vote?

Do you even know what clergy means? 😂

lawani:


since you said something is heresy if not accepted by the majority then it means Islam and Christianity are heresies

In christianity we have orthodox which means “correct belief”, now before anything can be orthodox that means something else has to be heresy.

Your Trinity concept was made orthodox because it serve the Roman especially constantine.
There were various early christian especially the jewish christians that rejected the doctrine of virgin birth or that Jesus was son of god.

All that doctrine you have now is a doctrine of the Trinity created by the Catholic.
Other Christians were kiled because they did not follow the Roman command of Trinity.

Maynman:

In christianity we have orthodox which means “correct belief”, now before anything can be orthodox that means something else has to be heresy.

Your Trinity concept was made orthodox because it serve the Roman especially constantine.
There were various early christian especially the jewish christians that rejected the doctrine of virgin birth or that Jesus was son of god.

All that doctrine you have now is a doctrine of the Trinity created by the Catholic.
Other Christians were kiled because they did not follow the Roman command of Trinity.

You are driving around in circles. If you write down the truths of Islam, majority of the world will reject it, ditto for that of Christianity. By your definition both theologies are therefore heresies

lawani:


You are driving around in circles. If you write down the truths of Islam, majority of the world will reject it, ditto for that of Christianity. By your definition both theologies are therefore heresies

You are driving around in ignorance.

What makes it a “truth”, if something is true it is true regardless if it’s rejected by people.

You don’t know what heresy mean,look at you displaying stark ignorance.

lawani:


By your definition both theologies are therefore heresies

Which Doctrine do you go to?
cele? Deeper life? Jehovah witness?
Jehovah witness believes Jesus is angel Michael, to your own doctrine is that not heresy?
Trinitarians believe god has a child, to non trinitarians, that’s heresy.
Do you understand now(

In islam too we have different sects, the sunni and shia

😂😂

Maynman:

Which Doctrine do you go to?
cele? Deeper life? Jehovah witness?
Jehovah witness believes Jesus is angel Michael, to your own doctrine is that not heresy?
Trinitarians believe god has a child, to non trinitarians, that’s heresy.
Do you understand now(

In islam too we have different sects, the sunni and shia

😂😂

If the whole world is one church with one dogma then Islam and Christianity would be heresies and we have always been one church before those militants came along

lawani:


If the whole world is one church with one dogma then Islam and Christianity would be heresies

Church means Circus.

Look up the origin of the word.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiJGPRHkjgI

Maynman:

Church means Circus.

Look up the origin of the word.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiJGPRHkjgI

Church is the European equivalent of the Yoruba ijo. It means congregation and it is an appropriate word for any congregation even academic congregation. A use in Yoruba is the Yoruba sub nation Ijesa which means ijo ESA congregation of the specially selected just to show what Ijo means to mean church. If all the world comes together to agree on how to portray God, that council to the Yoruba is an ijo and to Europeans it is a church

lawani:


Church is the European equivalent of the Yoruba ijo. It means congregation and it is an appropriate word for any congregation even academic congregation. A use in Yoruba is the Yoruba sub nation Ijesa which means ijo ESA congregation of the specially selected just to show what Ijo means to mean church. If all the world comes together to agree on how to portray God, that council to the Yoruba is an ijo and to Europeans it is a church

Church means Circus, Circus in Ancient Greece was a place where followers of Circe performed.

In yoruba ijo does not mean a building.
Your jesus talked about ekklesia which was changed by king james to church, you can’t have control over a congregation but you can have over a church.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgKweu0ZWVs

Maynman:

Church means Circus, Circus in Ancient Greece was a place where followers of Circe performed.

In yoruba ijo does not mean a building.
Your jesus talked about ekklesia which was changed by king james to church, you can’t have control over a congregation but you can have over a church.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgKweu0ZWVs

Is circus not a congregation?. Is a building a congregation?. Ijo can meet in a building but ijo is not a building, ijo is a congregation meaning church