When they say that Nigerian election is not usually determined by Nigerians alone but some other vested interests, both locally and internationally, some people with poor understanding of the intricacies of politics downplay this obvious reality but sooner or later everyone gets to see it that our votes are near useless in determining who presides over Nigeria.

Last presidential election was one of the mostly keenly contested in recent memory.

It got the stakeholders and friends of Nigeria so divided that no one could barely tell where which one was standing. This is unlike previous elections where we see these people openly identifying with one candidate as their preferred choice.

But regardless of the divided opinion of the stakeholders and friends of Nigeria, it seemed that majority of the powerbrokers favored the emergence of Peter Obi as president.

No one knows anything for sure but feelers from international community during the election tended to show that both the US and the UK seem to be at home with the candidature of Peter Obi.

At home front, some ‘owners of Nigeria’ also threw their weight behind Obi as seen in Obasanjo and Theophilus Danjuma’s endorsements. Some people suggest that other members of this elite class of kingmakers like IBB, Abdulsalami, etc, were also in support of Obasanjo and co’s decision but all that has remained in the realm of conjecture. What is evident however is that they did not support Tinubu either.

But somehow, after the election, Tinubu emerged winner in the most controversial of circumstances that included shutting down the digital infrastructure that was set up with billions of Naira to ensure transparency in election results management.

Before then, reports have had it that Tinubu’s greatest international Allie’s are the Chagoury brothers who are French but have a lot of investments in Nigeria. Tinubu further tended to confirm these rumors as he was constantly in France during the electioneering process either for medical or for rest. Recall that it had been reported that the Chagoury Brothers had gotten the buy in of Emmanuel Macron, the president of France in the Tinubu project m.

As if the rumours were true, immediately after the election and he was declared winner, Tinubu left Nigeria for France and stayed for about one month while waiting for his inauguration.

Similarly, after his inauguration, his first foreign engagement was in France.

Not to forget that recently, all his medical engagements have been in France.

One is now tempted to ask, why always France?

Now, the last thing we should expect is that if truly countries like US and UK indeed had a contrary interest in who emerged Nigeria’s president, and France helped thwart that interest, that they (France) would go unpunished.

1:Chagoury brothers are Lebanese Nigerian

2: Tinubu owns a house in Paris and vacations there

3: International comiunity favorite was Tinubu as many International diplomats came to his house to negotiate during campaign

4: US and UK can't punish France a Global power house and Nuclear country

5: French Government owns almost all Electricity company powering UK

6: Tinubu had been working for British and United States Intelligence comiunity according to WikiLeaks report since Abacha era... He is very trusted by them


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There's something about most Africans that I don't get. They never take responsibility for their own actions, or lack thereof. They always blame someone else for their problems, whether it's the colonialists, the imperialists, or the neocolonialists. They never look at themselves and ask what they can do to improve their situation.

France has bugger all to do with the ongoing coup in Niger. They're not behind it, not being punished they're not supporting it, they're not benefiting from it. They're just watching from the sidelines, like everyone else. The coup is a result of internal politics and power struggles, nothing more.

The coup cannot be justified in any way. It's a blatant violation of democracy and human rights. It's a slap in the face of the people of Niger, who voted for their president in an election. It's a setback for the whole region, which has been trying to promote stability and development.

Only psychos and people who haven't got a clue what military rule is like would support and try to justify the coup. They don't know the horrors of living under a dictatorship, where you have no voice, no rights, no freedom. They don't know the pain of losing your loved ones to torture, disappearance, or execution. They don't know the fear of speaking your mind, or expressing your opinion.

I'm all for ECOWAS sending troops to Niger to oust the unlawful ruler there. They have a mandate to protect democracy and peace in West Africa, and they have done so before in other countries. They should not stand by and let this coup succeed. They should intervene and restore the legitimate government as soon as possible.

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Penguin2:

Some people actually think that being able to spin up conspiracy theories around every issue that catches their attention is a sign of intelligence. Alas, it's actually the opposite.

Chagoury are Lebanese-Nigerians , not related to France at all. So stop peddling lies around

You have concocted another tale for the illiterates who won't bother to think
or fact check your post.
France was also being punished in Mali since 2020 because of Nigeria's 2023 election.
What a joke!

This dude with his usual dry concocted story..

Botragelad:
There's something about most Africans that I don't get. They never take responsibility for their own actions, or lack thereof. They always blame someone else for their problems, whether it's the colonialists, the imperialists, or the neocolonialists. They never look at themselves and ask what they can do to improve their situation.

France has bugger all to do with the ongoing coup in Niger. They're not behind it, not being punished they're not supporting it, they're not benefiting from it. They're just watching from the sidelines, like everyone else. The coup is a result of internal politics and power struggles, nothing more.

The coup cannot be justified in any way. It's a blatant violation of democracy and human rights. It's a slap in the face of the people of Niger, who voted for their president in an election. It's a setback for the whole region, which has been trying to promote stability and development.

Only psychos and people who haven't got a clue what military rule is like would support and try to justify the coup. They don't know the horrors of living under a dictatorship, where you have no voice, no rights, no freedom. They don't know the pain of losing your loved ones to torture, disappearance, or execution. They don't know the fear of speaking your mind, or expressing your opinion.

I'm all for ECOWAS sending troops to Niger to oust the unlawful ruler there. They have a mandate to protect democracy and peace in West Africa, and they have done so before in other countries. They should not stand by and let this coup succeed. They should intervene and restore the legitimate government as soon as possible.

At the bolded, have you not seen the people rejoicing and hailing the coupists?

How are you sure they voted for the man that was their president? What if their election was rigged and an unpopular candidate foisted on them like it happened in Nigeria?

And by trying to restrict the coup to a product of internal wrangling, are you foreclosing the role of foreign support in coups? You think coup plotters act alone?

Do you really think France had no hand in the assassination of Thomas Sankara for coming against them?

Penguin2:

At the bolded, have you not seen the people rejoicing and hailing the coupists?

How are you sure they voted for the man that was their president? What if their election was rigged and an unpopular candidate foisted on them like it happened in Nigeria?

And by trying to restrict the coup to a product of internal wrangling, are you foreclosing the role of foreign support in coups? You think coup plotters act alone?

Do you really think France had no hand in the assassination of Thomas Sankara for coming against them?

Just because a few people cheer and hail the coupists for toppling the Niger government doesn't mean the majority support them, or that their action is right. They're a minority of misguided and brainwashed folks who don't care about democracy or the rule of law. They're just pawns in the hands of the power-hungry generals who want to loot and oppress the country.

You don't have to keep making up theories to justify the coup. How about you back them up with some sources and proofs, eh? You can't just spout nonsense and expect people to believe you. If you make assertions, you have to back them up with facts and evidence. Otherwise, you're just talking rubbish.

I have no business with Thomas Sankara or whatever you call him. My initial post was about the coup in Niger, not him. He's irrelevant to the discussion. He was a dictator who ruled Burkina Faso, not Niger. He has nothing to do with the current situation. Stop bringing him up and changing the topic.

Curse777:



1:Chagoury brothers are Lebanese Nigerian

2: Tinubu owns a house in Paris and vacations there

3: International comiunity favorite was Tinubu as many International diplomats came to his house to negotiate during campaign

4: US and UK can't punish France a Global power house and Nuclear country

5: French Government owns almost all Electricity company powering UK

6: Tinubu had been working for British and United States Intelligence comiunity according to WikiLeaks report since Abacha era... He is very trusted by them


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1) The Chagourys have French citizenship and now reside in France.

2) Doesn’t owning a house in Paris further buttress the probability of his deal with the French?

3) Lol! Many International Diplomats equally visited Obi.

4) These guys come at each other many times especially when their interests diverge. Possibly you have poor knowledge of global history.

5) So what? If they leave, they run out of business. And with raw materials from their colonies no longer at their disposal due to coups, they have no option than to run protect whatever business they have anywhere so they can generate income. France has no natural resources.

6) I’ve not seen such report. But usually, one is either a CIA or an MI5, are you suggesting he has been a double agent? Doesn’t that show he cannot be trusted? Besides, being an agent doesn’t mean you are useful all the time.

Penguin2:

1) The Chagourys have French citizenship and now reside in France.

2) Doesn’t owning a house in Paris further buttress the probability of his deal with the French?

3) Lol! Many International Diplomats equally visited Obi.

4) These guys come at each other many times especially when their interests diverge. Possibly you have poor knowledge of global history.

5) So what? If they leave, they run out of business. And with raw materials from their colonies no longer at their disposal due to coups, they have no option than to run protect whatever business they have anywhere so they can generate income. France has no natural resources.

6) I’ve not seen such report. But usually, one is either a CIA or an MI5, are you suggesting he has been a double agent? Doesn’t that show he cannot be trusted? Besides, being an agent doesn’t mean you are useful all the time.

Are you sticking to your lies

1: Are Chagoury brothers French?! Or Lebanese Nigerian choose so that you can be educated

2: Are you saying just as Tinubu owns a house in Paris and UK he suddenly has the intrest of UK and France

3: Actually no Diplomat visited Obi... He did the visitation while they visited Tinubu if you have contrary evidence kindly provide

4: My view are personal opinion same as yours

6: You haven't seen WikiLeaks then Google it and don't embarrass yourself


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Botragelad:

Just because a few people cheer and hail the coupists for toppling the Niger government doesn't mean the majority support them, or that their action is right. They're a minority of misguided and brainwashed folks who don't care about democracy or the rule of law. They're just pawns in the hands of the power-hungry generals who want to loot and oppress the country.

You don't have to keep making up theories to justify the coup. How about you back them up with some sources and proofs, eh? You can't just spout nonsense and expect people to believe you. If you make assertions, you have to back them up with facts and evidence. Otherwise, you're just talking rubbish.

I have no business with Thomas Sankara or whatever you call him. My initial post was about the coup in Niger, not him. He's irrelevant to the discussion. He was a dictator who ruled Burkina Faso, not Niger. He has nothing to do with the current situation. Stop bringing him up and changing the topic.

You asked for pictures and links to reports that support my claim and you have them. If they are not enough, lemme know so I provide more.

Now, looking at these images, do they really look like minority to you?

Do they look like they were rented? If yes, do you not think that an regime that can rent this number of people must be popular? Or can Tinubu rent this amount of crowd in Southeast?

Again, if these are pictures of the minority, where are the pictures of the majority protesting against the coup? Where are those that voted for the president?

https://apnews.com/article/niger-coup-mohamed-bazoum-military-junta-sahel-88ccaa2f004db44601e59475199c5fbe

Penguin2:

You asked for pictures and links to reports that support my claim and you have them. If they are not enough, lemme know so I provide more.

Now, looking at these images, do they really look like minority to you?

Do they look like they were rented? If yes, do you not think that an regime that can rent this number of people must be popular? Or can Tinubu rent this amount of crowd in Southeast?

Again, if these are pictures of the minority, where are the pictures of the majority protesting against the coup? Where are those that voted for the president?

https://apnews.com/article/niger-coup-mohamed-bazoum-military-junta-sahel-88ccaa2f004db44601e59475199c5fbe

You don't seem very smart, do you? Just because there are hundreds of people waving flags in support of the coupist doesn't mean they represent the majority. They're a drop in the ocean compared to the millions of people who voted for the elected president and who want democracy and peace.

Now,when I say provide proof,I mean provide proof to your assertion that the Niger election must have been rigged and the other statement you made there,not this rubbish.

Going by your logic, does that mean that Wagner and Russia are the external forces behind the coup that support the coupists? Because there are reports that Wagner Chief hailed them. Or are you going to ignore that inconvenient fact and keep blaming France and the US for everything?

By majority, I mean the people who are not in support of the coupists. The people who respect the constitution and the rule of law. The people who value their sovereignty and dignity. The people who reject violence and oppression.

You should listen to them, not to the propaganda of the coupists. They are the ones who know what's best for their country, not some power-hungry generals who want to impose their will by force. They are the ones who deserve justice and freedom, not some traitors who betrayed their oath and their people.

Curse777:



Are you sticking to your lies

1: Are Chagoury brothers French?! Or Lebanese Nigerian choose so that you can be educated

2: Are you saying just as Tinubu owns a house in Paris and UK he suddenly has the intrest of UK and France

3: Actually no Diplomat visited Obi... He did the visitation while they visited Tinubu if you have contrary evidence kindly provide

4: My view are personal opinion same as yours

6: You haven't seen WikiLeaks then Google it and don't embarrass yourself


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Ogbeni try and have sense na…

1) Somebody can be a citizen of more than 2 countries. The Chagourys are originally Lebanese who became Nigerians after business brought them to Nigeria and they flourished. Now they are French and live in France. Why is that difficult for you to understand.

It’s just like how Elon Musk was born a South African and later became Canadian, and now an American. Or you don’t know about that?

6) The question was simple, can someone be a double agent? You will say yes. But are double agents trusted? Only an agent who has switched sides act as double agent, feeding the two sides with information, but when they are discovered, they are never trusted again. In some climes, such an act attracts capital punishment of execution or something similar.

Botragelad:

You don't seem very smart, do you? Just because there are hundreds of people waving flags in support of the coupist doesn't mean they represent the majority. They're a drop in the ocean compared to the millions of people who voted for the elected president and who want democracy and peace.

Going by your logic, does that mean that Wagner and Russia are the external forces behind the coup that support the coupists? Because there are reports that Wagner Chief hailed them. Or are you going to ignore that inconvenient fact and keep blaming France and the US for everything?

By majority, I mean the people who are not in support of the coupists. The people who respect the constitution and the rule of law. The people who value their sovereignty and dignity. The people who reject violence and oppression. The people who have been protesting and resisting the coup since it happened.

You should listen to them, not to the propaganda of the coupists. They are the ones who know what's best for their country, not some power-hungry generals who want to impose their will by force. They are the ones who deserve justice and freedom, not some traitors who betrayed their oath and their people.

If there are people in support of the elected president, and they are in the majority, where are they?

Why are they not in the streets showing solidarity with the president?

See, the essential feature of democracy is rule by majority and this is only possible through a transparent election process.

A situation where the election managers run into “technical glitches” while counting the ballots and end up imposing an unpopular candidate on the majority, you are going to have a disillusioned population who would be looking for an escape through whatever means like Nigeria is currently going through. I can assure you that if a coup happens today in Nigeria, people would cheer the coup plotters because democracy has failed Nigerians.

Now, what if Niger was in a similar situation? What if their votes didn’t count and they were being ruled by an unpopular president?

Penguin2:

If there are people in support of the elected president, and they are in the majority, where are they?

Why are they not in the streets showing solidarity with the president?

See, the essential feature of democracy is rule by majority and this is only possible through a transparent election process.

A situation where the election managers run into “technical glitches” while counting the ballots and end up imposing an unpopular candidate on the majority, you are going to have a disillusioned population who would be looking for an escape through whatever means like Nigeria is currently going through. I can assure you that if a coup happens today in Nigeria, people would cheer the coup plotters because democracy has failed Nigerians.

Now, what if Niger was in a similar situation? What if their votes didn’t count and they were being ruled by an unpopular president?

You're talking out of your arse, mate. Just because there are no pro-democracy supporters protesting doesn't mean there are none. They're the silent majority who are scared and oppressed by the coupists. And those who aren't supporting the coupists, what are they? They're the sensible and patriotic ones who want their country to be free and democratic.

How do you expect people to protest in support of a democratic president in a military rule where there's no freedom of speech? That's an easy way to get themselves killed or arrested by the coupists, who won't tolerate any opposition or criticism. It's simple sense, innit? You don't risk your life for nothing.

And just because an election wasn't transparent according to you, does that mean you should remove a sitting president through a coup? That's not how democracy works. You respect the will of the people and the institutions, not the guns and the tanks. And how do you know that the coup rule won't be worse than the elected president? History shows that coups usually lead to more violence, corruption, and instability.

The people of Niger didn't ask for a coup. The military coupists only did it out of their own selfish interests. They don't care about the people or the country. They only care about power and money. What proof do you have that the military rule will make it any better? None, that's what. Pls stop yapping nonsense.

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Botragelad:


France has bugger all to do with the ongoing coup in Niger. They're not behind it, not being punished they're not supporting it, they're not benefiting from it. They're just watching from the sidelines, like everyone else. The coup is a result of internal politics and power struggles, nothing more.

France dictating their currency is bugger quite a lot in my own opinion. And I don't think it proper that a letter posted to Togo has to go through France, for a fee. Most of us Nigerians wouldn't like Britain still having such colonial holds on us, which is why we Nigerianised them out way back in 72.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-66406137

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/africa/niger-coup-france-west-africa.html

No, I'm not in support of coup.