Thinking about it...if you ask a very religious Christian they will say no sex before marriage.

But in reality not every body on earth won't get married, someone men and women will die single. Does that mean if they have sex, God will hate them as his creation?

How do we defend this topic.

Virgohills:
Thinking about it...if you ask a very religious Christian they will say no sex before marriage.

But in reality not every body on earth won't get married, someone men and women will die single. Does that mean if they have sex, God will hate them as his creation?

How do we defend this topic.

No sex before marriage is not the same as don't fornicate.

Meanwhile fornication kills and makes God far from you.

Acquiring a Spouse in Judaism
Mishnah Kiddushin 1:1 specifies that a woman is acquired (i.e., to be a wife) in three ways:
1. Through money,
2. A contract,
3. Sexual intercourse
Only one of the above is necessary to effect a binding marriage.

The FAKE New Testament does not make any sense at all.

God Almighty of the Old Testament is the Only True God and Judaism the Religion HE gave Moses is the only true religion

MindHacker9009:
Acquiring a Spouse in Judaism
Mishnah Kiddushin 1:1 specifies that a woman is acquired (i.e., to be a wife) in three ways:
1. Through money,
2. A contract,
3. Sexual intercourse
Only one of the above is necessary to effect a binding marriage.

The FAKE New Testament does not make any sense at all.
God Almighty of the Old Testament is the Only True God and Judaism the Religion HE gave Moses is the only true religion

Yet there is no record of God doing what you claim in the entirety of the book of the Law of Moses and the Prophets and also no record of your Mishnah Kiddushin 1:1 traditions in the Law as the only way to obtain a wife.

However, there is record of God disavowing all of his former shepherds -- the priesthood and teachers of old -- through His Prophets in even Ezekiel 34..

Very nice topic

Dtruthspeaker:


No sex before marriage is not the same as don't fornicate.

Meanwhile fornication kills and makes God far from you.

So if one don't get lucky with marriage and decide to use his reproductive organ given to him by the Creator. He will go to hell

Kobojunkie:
Yet there is no record of God doing what you claim in the entirety of the book of the Law of Moses and the Prophets and also no record of your Mishnah Kiddushin 1:1 traditions in the Law as the only way to obtain a wife.

However, there is record of God disavowing all of his former shepherds -- the priesthood and teachers of old -- through His Prophets in even Ezekiel 34..

What is Mishnah kiddushin?
Kiddushin (Hebrew: קִידּוּשִׁין) is a masekhet or tractate of the Mishnah and the Talmud, and is part of the order of Nashim. The content of the tractate primarily deals with the legal provisions related to halakhic engagement and marriage. Kiddushin. Jewish Wedding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiddushin_(Talmud)

The Old Testament is only one of the Jewish religious books call the Toral. The Mishnah Kiddushin is another of their religious book for marriage.

If you want to go by the Old and New Testament only then one can accquire a wife like this:

Deuteronomy 21:10-14
Marrying a Captive Woman
10 When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hand and you take them captive,
11 if you see a beautiful woman among them, and you desire her and want to take her as your wife,
12 then you shall bring her into your house. She must shave her head, trim her nails,
13 and put aside the clothing of her captivity.
After she has lived in your house a full month and mourned her father and mother,
after that you may go in to her and be her husband.
14 And if you are not pleased with her, you are to let her go wherever she wishes. But you must not sell her for money or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

This was how easy it was to get a female slave in the time of the Bible:
Leviticus 25:44-45
44“ ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

The FAKE New Testament is mainly about a fake god that mated with Mary another man's wife, to produce himself and then offered himself on the cross as a sacrifice to himself which makes no sense all.

MindHacker9009:
■ [b]What is Mishnah kiddushin?[/b]
Kiddushin (Hebrew: קִידּוּשִׁין) is a masekhet or tractate of the Mishnah and the Talmud, and is part of the order of Nashim. The content of the tractate primarily deals with the legal provisions related to halakhic engagement and marriage. Kiddushin. Jewish Wedding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiddushin_(Talmud)

The Old Testament is only one of the Jewish religious books call the Toral. The Mishnah Kiddushin is another of their religious book for marriage.

If you want to go by the Old and New Testament only then one can accquire a wife like this:

Deuteronomy 21:10-14
Marrying a Captive Woman
10 When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hand and you take them captive,
11 if you see a beautiful woman among them, and you desire her and want to take her as your wife,
12 then you shall bring her into your house. She must shave her head, trim her nails,
13 and put aside the clothing of her captivity.
After she has lived in your house a full month and mourned her father and mother,
after that you may go in to her and be her husband.
14 And if you are not pleased with her, you are to let her go wherever she wishes. But you must not sell her for money or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

This was how easy it was to get a female slave in the time of the Bible:
Leviticus 25:44-45
44“ ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

The FAKE New Testament is mainly about a fake god that mated with Mary another man's wife, to produce himself and then offered himself on the cross as a sacrifice to himself which makes no sense all.

All this na story you dey tell yourself.

What God gave the people was His Law which is clearly contained in the books of the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses, YHWH, was meant as the only God the people were to live by. All other books were creations of men aka religion ---- gods--- which led to God distancing Himself from them and their religion.

Kobojunkie:
All this na story you dey tell yourself.
What God gave the people was His Law which is clearly contained in the books of the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses, YHWH, was meant as the only God the people were to live by. All other books were creations of men aka religion ---- gods--- which led to God distancing Himself from them and their religion.

An this is your yhwh a dragon that had 32 virgin girls as his share from war booty.

Division of the Plunder
Numbers 31:40
31. So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as YHWH commanded Moses.
32. The plunder remaining from everything the fighting men had taken totaled 675,000 sheep and goats, 3372,000 cattle, 3461,000 donkeys, 35. and 32,000 virgin girls.
36. Half of the plunder was given to the fighting men. It totaled 337,500 sheep and goats,
37. of which 675 were the YHWH’s share;
38. 36,000 cattle, of which 72 were YHWH’s share;
39. 30,500 donkeys, of which 61 were YHWH’s share;
40. and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the YHWH’s share.
41. Moses gave all the YHWH’s share to Eleazar the priest, just as YHWH had directed him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XogaHpV5oUs?si=QW3K499ntf1AjY15

MindHacker9009:
An this is your yhwh a dragon that had 32 virgin girls as his share from war booty.
Division of the Plunder
Numbers 31:40
31. So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as YHWH commanded Moses.
32. The plunder remaining from everything the fighting men had taken totaled 675,000 sheep and goats, 3372,000 cattle, 3461,000 donkeys, 35. and 32,000 virgin girls.
36. Half of the plunder was given to the fighting men. It totaled 337,500 sheep and goats,
37. of which 675 were the YHWH’s share;
38. 36,000 cattle, of which 72 were YHWH’s share;
39. 30,500 donkeys, of which 61 were YHWH’s share;
40. and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the YHWH’s share.
41. Moses gave all the YHWH’s share to Eleazar the priest, just as YHWH had directed him.

I don't know about your fairy dragon delusions, but what is written in Numbers 31 is part and parcel of the Law that is YHWH. So, again, if God gave only YHWH to His children of Israel in the Land of Canaan, and warned them against serving other gods— the doctrines and traditions of men aka religion inclusive — why are you here insisting that these ideas which you admit are from religious additions are of YHWH? You high?

Kobojunkie:
I don't know about Kobojunkie fairy dragon delusions, but what is written in Numbers 31 is part and parcel of the Law that is YHWH. So, again, if God gave only YHWH to His children of Israel in the Land of Canaan, and warned them against serving other gods— the doctrines and traditions of men aka religion inclusive — why are you here insisting that these ideas which you admit are from religious additions are of YHWH? You high?

You can carry on with you New Testament delusion that your fake god mated with another man's wife to produce himself and then offered himself as a sin sacrifice on the cross to himself.

MindHacker9009:
■ You can carry on with you New Testament delusion that your fake god mated with another man's wife to produce himself and then offered himself as a sin sacrifice on the cross to himself.

See this one desperate to append himself to the YHWH list at all cost without understanding..

Virgohills:

Thinking about it...if you ask a very religious Christian they will say no sex before marriage.
But in reality not every body on earth won't get married, someone men and women will die single. Does that mean if they have sex, God will hate them as his creation?
How do we defend this topic.

S€X is what God used as a bond between Adam (male) and Eve (female) otherwise there are many creatures that reproduce asexually.

Back then before having S€X a man will leave his parents and a woman will also do the same then both families will pronounce them husband and wife just as God did with the first human pair. Genesis 2:24

So what led to S€X before marriage?

In the days of Noah Satan led some angels against God so they left their home in heaven and headed towards the earth to enjoy S€X with female humans {Genesis 6:1-2} these aliens have no parents to introduce to those girls but they're highly intelligent, most handsome, motivational speakers and rich as they built their own bodies and wiser than ordinary humans so all the young girls fell for them and they were sleeping with them without any commitment that's what led to the birth of wicked giants back then! Genesis 6:4

In Paradise no man or woman will be allowed to taste S€X before marriage, each man will marry his own wife and each woman her own husband just as Adam and Eve lived and died without extramarital affairs.
So whoever wants to live forever in Paradise should revert now to how God established it in the beginning! Matthew 19:4

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Kobojunkie:
See this one desperate to append himself to the YHWH list at all cost without understanding..

You are the one that has no understanding of the religion you are practicing.

MindHacker9009:
■ You are the one that has no understanding of the religion you are practicing.

For the umpteenth time, God never gave men religion. Rather He gave to them His Laws and they explicitly state His terms and conditions for those who are citizens of His Nation.

Religion---- Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. -- are systems engineered by men with which to rule over the minds of their fellow men with. Kinda like how men got you believing YHWH is a dragon that eats virgins while at the same time convincing you their made up version of YHWH is better for you to follow.

Should av sex or not

Virgohills:
Should av sex or not

It is your life and no one is stopping you from living it as you want to. So what is the essence of this thread?

Kobojunkiee:
For the umpteenth time, God never gave men religion. Rather He gave to them His Laws and they explicitly state His terms and conditions for those who are citizens of His Nation.

Religion---- Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. -- are systems engineered by men with which to rule over the minds of their fellow men with. Kinda like how men got you believing YHWH is a dragon that eats virgins while at the same time convincing you their made up version of YHWH is better for you to follow.

God does not give laws. Laws are man made like the religion you mentioned. God only gave the Ten Commandments and men made laws from these commandments to government their communities and societies. That's why you hear according to the law of Moses not according to the law of God.

There are different gods in the in the Bible, but one True God, so it's left for you to decide if it is the dragon god that had 32 virgins from war booty or the one that mated with Mary another man's to produce himself and then offered himself as a sacrifice to himself you want to follow then that's up to you.

MindHacker9009:
■ God does not give laws. Laws are man made like the religion you mentioned. God only gave the Ten Commandments and men made laws from these commandments to government their communities and societies. That's why you hear according to the law of Moses not according to the law of God.

There are different gods in the in the Bible, but one True God, so it's left for you to decide if it is the dragon god that had 32 virgins from war booty or the one the mated with Mary another man's to produce himself and then offered himself as a sacrifice to himself you want to follow then that's up to you.

So let me get this straight. Moses was a liar and YHWH was just made up by him then, yet this is the same God you claim you believe in?
ROFLMAO

MindHacker9009:

That's why you hear according to the law of Moses not according to the law of God.

So God gave Moses only 10 laws but Moses later multiplied it!

This is really an eye opener!

Kobojunkiee:
It is your life and no one is stopping you from living it as you want to. So what is the essence of this thread?

lol

Kobojunkiee:
So let me get this straight. Moses was a liar and YHWH was just made up by him then, yet this is the same God you claim you believe in?
ROFLMAO

The religion you say is man made was made up from the laws of man as God did not give laws but commandments. Your yhwh is a dragon as discribed in the Bible. It says Samuel 22:9 Smoke went up from his nostrils, and devouring fire from his mouth.

The God I beleive in is the one that spoke to Moses on the Mount and there was no mention of smoke coming from his nostrils.

MaxInDHouse:

So God gave Moses only 10 laws but Moses later multiplied it!
This is really an eye opener!

This was how men who wrote the Bible added their own to it. Where did I mention that God gave ten laws. What I said was that God gave 10 Commandments.

MindHacker9009:

This was how men who wrote the Bible added their own to it. Where did I mention that God gave ten laws. What I said was that God gave 10 Commandments.

OK COMMANDMENTS differ from LAWS!

Now eye yam understanding!

MindHacker9009:
■ The religion you say is man made was made up from the laws of man as God did not give laws but commandments. Your yhwh is a dragon as discribed in the Bible. It says Samuel 22:9 Smoke went up from his nostrils, and devouring fire from his mouth.
The God I beleive in is the one that spoke to Moses on the Mount and there was no mention of smoke coming from his nostrils.

So, your story so far is that

● God gave Moses only 10 commandments
● Moses then added about 603 statutes and commandments of his own to the 10 commandments which you claim are the only laws God gave to the Israelites to produce the 613 statues and commandments which make up what is referred to as the Law of Moses? And this same Moses also included a commandment which prohibited anyone from adding, changing or removing from the total 613 commandments and statutes --- basically, the Law has it as sin to do so.
● However, you also confess that your religion of Judaism, against Moses' very decree --- in sin against YHWH ----, went ahead and added their own doctrines and traditions via what you refer to as other holy books of Judaism.

Even after all of this you still want us all to believe that the God you worship is the same God who you accuse Moses of lying against, and your religious leaders of standing against?

Na wa oo... religion don bastardize some minds beyond level of comprehension.

Kobojunkiee:
[/size] So, your story so far is that

● God gave Moses only 10 commandments
● Moses then added about 603 statutes and commandments of his own to the 10 commandments which you claim are the only laws God gave to the Israelites to produce the 613 statues and commandments which make up what is referred to as the Law of Moses? And this same Moses also included a commandment which prohibited anyone from adding, changing or removing from the total 613 commandments and statutes --- basically, the Law has it as sin to do so.
● However, you also confess that your religion of Judaism, against Moses' very decree --- in sin against YHWH ----, went ahead and added their own doctrines and traditions via what you refer to as other holy books of Judaism.

Even after all of this you still want us all to believe that the God you worship is the same God who you accuse Moses of lying against, and your religious leaders of standing against?

Na wa oo... laws and religion don bastardize the mind of Kobojunkiee beyond level of comprehension.

To show you that your mind is the one that has been bastardize by the laws and religion of men, if not you will know that the Laws of Moses were derived from the 10 commandments where applicable and others his own depending on the situation. Did your Jesus Christ not change the Laws of Moses, saying it was the hardness of your heart that made Moses to give one of the Laws, and also your Jesus Christ changed some of the laws to suit his own mission which was to please the Roman Empire that invented him.

MindHacker9009:
■ To show you that your mind is the one that has been bastardize by the laws and religion of men, if not you will know that the Laws of Moses were derived from the 10 commandments where applicable and others his own depending on the situation. Did your Jesus Christ not change the Laws of Moses, saying it was the hardness of your heart that made Moses to give one of the Laws, and also your Jesus Christ changed some of the laws to suit his own mission which was to please the Roman Empire that invented him.

So basically Moses lied more than 95% the words , "The Lord said...," and so forth, are found his books of the Law of Moses? It was not God at all but Moses himself impersonating God as he made up laws which you claim he based on only the 10 commandments which God gave to him? Essentially, Moses was a fraud who used God's name to install himself as Law over the people of Israel. And
your religious leaders, taking their cue from the fraud, took it on themselves to device more doctrines and traditions to impose on the people using the mentions of the same YHWH?

Kobojunkiee:
So basically Moses lied more than 95% the words , "The Lord said...," and so forth, are found his books of the Law of Moses? It was not God at all but Moses himself impersonating God as he made up laws which you claim he based on only the 10 commandments which God gave to him? Essentially, Moses was a fraud who used God's name to install himself as Law over the people of Israel. And
your religious leaders, taking their cue from the fraud, took it on themselves to device more doctrines and traditions to impose on the people using the mentions of the same YHWH?

God made Moses a leader and ruler of his people, so Moses was in a position to make laws for his own people and anyone else that wants to follow his laws.

MindHacker9009:
■ God made Moses a leader and ruler of his people, so Moses was in a position to make laws for his own people and anyone else that wants to follow his laws.

So God made Moses a leader and hence gave Moses right to make laws on his behalf---- using His name? So basically, meaning if you accept what you say here then you ought also to accept all 613 statutes and commandments given by Moses in the Law of Moses. However, you do not. So?

2. Also, if God explicitly gave Moses permission to make laws using His name, from where do your religious leaders, who manufactured their own holy book to add to the laws supposedly made by Moses, get their own permission to add their own doctrines and traditions- laws - to the Law of Moses then? Or is God going around giving all kinds of men the same permission he supposedly gave to Moses? Meaning the so-called Law of Moses is just a farce.

Kobojunkiee:
So God made Moses a leader and hence gave Moses right to make laws on his behalf---- using His name? So basically, meaning if you accept what you say here then you ought also to accept all 613 statutes and commandments given by Moses in the Law of Moses. However, you do not. So?

2. Also, if God explicitly gave Moses permission to make laws using His name, from where do your religious leaders, who manufactured their own holy book to add to the laws supposedly made by Moses, get their own permission to add their own doctrines and traditions- laws - to the Law of Moses then? Or is God going around giving all kinds of men the same permission he supposedly gave to Moses? Meaning the so-called Law of Moses is just a farce.

The 613 laws of Moses were derived from the 10 commandments and some were his own, even your Jesus Christ changed one of them saying that it was the hardness of your heart that made Moses to give that law. God chose Moses to lead a nation so Moses had to make laws that he felt was need for his nation just as nations make laws today. But religious laws of the Bible are only that of Moses and it says no one should add or remove from it.

MindHacker9009:
■ The 613 laws of Moses were derived from the 10 commandments and some were his own, even your Jesus Christ changed one of them saying that it was the hardness of your heart that made Moses to give that law. God chose Moses to lead a nation so Moses had to make laws that he felt was need for his nation just as nations make laws today. But religious laws of the Bible are only that of Moses and it says no one should add or remove from it.

1. You keep using the word "derived" to describe over 603 laws which are for the most part disconnected from that contained in the 10 commandments. For example, how can Leviticus 19 vs 18 be said to have been derived from the 10 commandments?

Also, you are still refusing to answer the questions I continue to ask. According to you, God made Moses a leader and hence gave Moses right to make laws on his behalf---- using His name? So basically, meaning if you accept what you say here then you ought also to accept all 613 statutes and commandments given by Moses in the Law of Moses. However, you do not. Why? [B]Numbers 18[/b] which you quoted from was supposedly included by Moses as part of the 603 additions he made to the Law given Him by God but you reject it.

2. Also, if God explicitly gave Moses permission to make laws using His name, from where do your religious leaders, who manufactured their own holy book to add to the laws supposedly made by Moses, get their own permission to add their own doctrines and traditions- laws - to the Law of Moses then? Or is God going around giving all kinds of men the same permission he supposedly gave to Moses? Meaning the so-called Law of Moses is just a farce.

Kobojunkiee:
1. You keep using the word "derived" to describe over 603 laws which are for the most part disconnected from that contained in the 10 commandments. For example, how can Leviticus 19 vs 18 be said to have been derived from the 10 commandments?

Also, you are still refusing to answer the questions I continue to ask. According to you, God made Moses a leader and hence gave Moses right to make laws on his behalf---- using His name? So basically, meaning if you accept what you say here then you ought also to accept all 613 statutes and commandments given by Moses in the Law of Moses. However, you do not. Why? [B]Numbers 18[/b] which you quoted from was supposedly included by Moses as part of the 603 additions he made to the Law given Him by God but you reject it.

2. Also, if God explicitly gave Moses permission to make laws using His name, from where do your religious leaders, who manufactured their own holy book to add to the laws supposedly made by Moses, get their own permission to add their own doctrines and traditions- laws - to the Law of Moses then? Or is God going around giving all kinds of men the same permission he supposedly gave to Moses? Meaning the so-called Law of Moses is just a farce.

The only commandments God wrote Himself were the ten Commandments, so laws were made by Moses based on the 10 commandments where applicable and others his own as needed to lead his people. Even your Jesus Christ said it was the hardness of your heart that made Moses to give one of the laws.