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Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by IPIGSRHYPO: 12:17pm On Jan 10
Legacy of fraud, deceit and enslavement of his gullible sheep flock in the name of Christianity?
Rubbish trash.
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by thesicilian: 12:31pm On Jan 10
yetmao:


Eye witness accounts is also an evidence. Forget grammar. Synagogue can sue BBC, in court evidence you are looking for go show.
Every smart person knows that eye witness account, though acceptable in court, is the weakest and most unreliable form of evidence, as it is highly amenable to bias, memory failure and suggestibility.
And the ideal thing the church can do to them is the same thing they have been doing all along: ignore them.
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by Courz: 12:32pm On Jan 10
lolu2019:
ur funny.SCOAN don't have any issue any here.if u r labelling someone with an accusation,u have to come with an evidence.

That's what SCOAN should do. If truly all what the eyewitnesses who have worked for TB Joshua for years said were False, they should sue BBC and sue all the eyewitnesses. Finish! As they are sueing them, they must prepare to come with hard undeniable evidence to prove that everything they said are lies. A Guilty person will never try it because more witnesses will come forward and expose him or her
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by thesicilian: 12:35pm On Jan 10
PlsStayAlive:

Guess you didn't reach the place where they alleged that he didn't allow them phones, watches or contact with family.
For decades? You don't mean to tell me that you truly believe the family of a foreign national couldn't reach her for even a month or two and they didn't raise alarm?

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Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by Courz: 12:36pm On Jan 10
Komu1048:



Even when Jesus was doing miracle, ur type said he is using unclean spirit. See the energy u r using just to paint him bad. The good news is people like us will continue to defend the faith n won't relent. Jesus must take the centre stage in Nigeria, ur time is up

I said it now. I said it that TB Joshua is your Jesus. He is your Almighty God. That's why you are equating him to Jesus. Blasphemy! These eyewitnesses revealed that your TB Joshua called himself Jesus. One said that Tb Joshua told him that every 2000 years, a new Christ comes into the world and that He is TB Joshua is the new Christ! That's an Antichrist! So you don't know that you are going against the Bible by equating TB Joshua with Jesus? You SCOAN and TB Joshua are Antichrists. You are the people Jesus warned against. And now, Una yansh don open. Baba God too much!

Almighty God has decided to expose the darkness in your Cult. This is why you are angry and busy trying to console yourself by calling TB Joshua your God even in Death. Why are you worshipping a Dead man instead of worshipping God? Why do You SCOAN members love Demonism? Why do you people love Rape, Death, human sacrifices and Torture? Why ? Why have you people allowed Satan to dwell in your Synagogue? Synagogue of Satan! Why was your Synagogue built like a Haunted Castle? Why is it that someone with Spirit of discernment can just look at your God TB Joshua and immediately know he is demonic if he is such a True Man of God? Why are you fighting so hard to change people's opinion about your God TB Joshua?
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by Calitoscassius(m): 12:41pm On Jan 10
thesicilian:
I've watched the documentary to a reasonable extent, yet to finish it. But so far it's all accusations upon accusations. No real evidence anywhere. At least in this era of smart phones one would think there'll be countless pictures and videos to corroborate their stories.
Witnesses and victims are confirming what happened to them and you are here demanding for evidence. It is like you reporting to the police that you know who stole your phone and they still asking you for evidence. Asking for evidence is not wrong, but it can be investigated.

So if i want to rape someone i will let her video the rape or take pictures of the rape? undecided again, all these can be investigated.

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Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by thesicilian: 12:44pm On Jan 10
Christistruth00:


This is real evidence
And 116 people were killed
That's just another article, not evidence.
From the BBC report over 200 people might have died, and they spoke with the driver who disposed of the bodies
But no further talks concerning where these bodies were buried or concrete proof of anything
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by Komu1048(m): 12:44pm On Jan 10
Courz:


I said it now. I said it that TB Joshua is your Jesus. He is your Almighty God. That's why you are equating him to Jesus. Blasphemy! These eyewitnesses revealed that your TB Joshua called himself Jesus. One said that Tb Joshua told him that every 2000 years, a new Christ comes into the world and that He is TB Joshua is the new Christ! That's an Antichrist! So you don't know that you are going against the Bible by equating TB Joshua with Jesus? You SCOAN and TB Joshua are Antichrists. You are the people Jesus warned against. And now, Una yansh don open. Baba God too much!

Almighty God has decided to expose the darkness in your Cult. This is why you are angry and busy trying to console yourself by calling TB Joshua your God even in Death. Why are you worshipping a Dead man instead of worshipping God? Why do You SCOAN members love Demonism? Why do you people love Rape, Death, human sacrifices and Torture? Why ? Why have you people allowed Satan to dwell in your Synagogue? Synagogue of Satan! Why was your Synagogue built like a Haunted Castle? Why is it that someone with Spirit of discernment can just look at your God TB Joshua and immediately know he is demonic if he is such a True Man of God? Why are you fighting so hard to change people's opinion about your God TB Joshua?



The eyewitnesses that r in same cult of oppression with u?

Una never see anything, wait small and see the handwork of his wise men. Una go cry tired, ur master the devil will keep failing.
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by thesicilian: 12:45pm On Jan 10
Blakjewelry:

Lol did you ever visit there? Pictures are not allowed inside the compound. I have a lot of friends and family members who visited there. They are not allowed to take pictures inside the compound.
Maybe. But that's not proof that he's Satan
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by Courz: 12:45pm On Jan 10
Komu1048:




The eyewitnesses that r in same cult of oppression with u?

Una never see anything, wait small and see the handwork of his wise men. Una go cry tired, ur master the devil will keep failing.

I said it now. I said it that TB Joshua is your Jesus. He is your Almighty God. That's why you are equating him to Jesus. Blasphemy! These eyewitnesses revealed that your TB Joshua called himself Jesus. One said that Tb Joshua told him that every 2000 years, a new Christ comes into the world and that He is TB Joshua is the new Christ! That's an Antichrist! So you don't know that you are going against the Bible by equating TB Joshua with Jesus? You SCOAN and TB Joshua are Antichrists. You are the people Jesus warned against. And now, Una yansh don open. Baba God too much!

Almighty God has decided to expose the darkness in your Cult. This is why you are angry and busy trying to console yourself by calling TB Joshua your God even in Death. Why are you worshipping a Dead man instead of worshipping God? Why do You SCOAN members love Demonism? Why do you people love Rape, Death, human sacrifices and Torture? Why ? Why have you people allowed Satan to dwell in your Synagogue? Synagogue of Satan! Why was your Synagogue built like a Haunted Castle? Why is it that someone with Spirit of discernment can just look at your God TB Joshua and immediately know he is demonic if he is such a True Man of God? Why are you fighting so hard to change people's opinion about your God TB Joshua?
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by thesicilian: 12:46pm On Jan 10
kingthreat:


If his illegitimate daughter's story was no real evidence to you then you are naturally biased towards evil.
Lame
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by patomberekpe(m): 12:49pm On Jan 10
Madam if you have prove that they're lying then show us and not make blind argument, Everyone of them can't be lying at the same time.
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by thesicilian: 12:54pm On Jan 10
jattopeter:
You have spoken my mind , lets call a spade a spade , No video , No Picture , No voice note to back the claims up. So , who is deceiving who?
One would think an organisation as big as the BBC should be able to hire good investigators to gather concrete evidence instead of just hearsay from disgruntled former employees.

Was it not one of their "journalists" who confronted Elon Musk about hate speech on X platform and when he was asked to mention just one incident of this so called hate speech he couldn't?

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Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by thesicilian: 12:57pm On Jan 10
patomberekpe:
Madam if you have prove that they're lying then show us and not make blind argument, Everyone of them can't be lying at the same time.
If Mr. A accuses Mr. B of doing something wrong, Mr. B by law doesn't have anything to prove. The burden of proof is legally on the accuser Mr. A to provide evidence of wrongdoing by Mr. B.

In other words, instead of telling Synagogue to prove the accusers are lying, you should be telling BBC to provide evidence of all the evils they accused the man of God of.

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Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by thesicilian: 1:00pm On Jan 10
Calitoscassius:
Witnesses and victims are confirming what happened to them and you are here demanding for evidence. It is like you reporting to the police that you know who stole your phone and they still asking you for evidence. Asking for evidence is not wrong, but it can be investigated.

So if i want to rape someone i will let her video the rape or take pictures of the rape? undecided again, all these can be investigated.
So I can as well approach your family and tell them I'm your father, then take you home with me, my testimony should be enough without any further need to provide evidence.

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Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by nairalee(m): 1:01pm On Jan 10
luminouz:

So a bunch of accusations without evidence is the truth?

You people are so gullible sha. Na anything una dey react too, without using logic.
Ask yourself why the accusations now? He has been dead a while. Why did all these come out before, during or immediately after his death, why now?

Think, think and think logically bro. Nawa

Just so you know the accusation came out BEFORE his death. Do your research bro.

I'm asking for more investigation, you're saying you'll not believe something because your mind is already set. Between me and you who is gullible?
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by luminouz(m): 1:03pm On Jan 10
nairalee:


Just so you know the accusation came out BEFORE his death. Do your research bro.

I'm asking for more investigation, you're saying you'll not believe something because your mind is already set. Between me and you who is gullible?
I said use logic. Where is the logic in accusations without evidence?

I can as well term you a rapist or a murderer and get 50 other paid actors to yell your name.
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by thesicilian: 1:08pm On Jan 10
themainman600:
were you deaf while watching when they said they weren't allowed to use phones
Let's keep this civil pls.
Let's say an armed robber comes to your house and robs you of your prized possessions. Because he wasn't wearing a mask, you saw his face, and he's someone you know from down the street. But out of fear you could not take any pics of videos of his face.

How on earth are you going to convince a competent court of law that this person was the one who robbed you unless you're patient enough to gather concrete evidence like his fingerprints and DNA at your house, or evidence of him in possession, using or selling your property?
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by epainos: 1:08pm On Jan 10
luminouz:

You are always saying rubbish!! Why can't you be logical for once? What do I expect from your mouth though?
Ooops! This guy again? grin

Mr Lecturer . grin No wonder. You too you are a Joshua's discipline. No wonder you are a Federal government blackmailer. Wow! grin You learned very well from Joshua. grin

I told you then...no one needs to look far to know you need help.

I will reach out to you boy when another set of people with Joshua's business manipulative model is out. They will make yoy a disciple..and even set up a yeye lab for you....though, they know your researches are rubbish...dont worry...they will keep funding you cos they know you have no will of your own to resist them. You are chained for life. They are reading. You are a dead meat already..but you will think you are somebody. grin
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by Calitoscassius(m): 1:09pm On Jan 10
thesicilian:

So I can as well approach your family and tell them I'm your father, then take you home with me, my testimony should be enough without any further need to provide evidence.
If you read my comment carefully you would see where i mentioned investigations twice, i also added that asking for evidence is not wrong. Read again.


Asking for video evidence of rape is absolutely absurd, co's no rape has ever being videoed. It is impossible!
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by TENHEU22(m): 1:11pm On Jan 10
Omihanifa:
What does madam saje know undecided
She's just saying all these based on tb joshua philanthropy. And nah wetin the guy use dey confuse people be that.

The guys that were interviewed were people that were very close to him. Can everyone be lying at the same time ?

Madam saje knows tb joshua from the media just like everyone else. These guys are his inner caucus so they know that they are saying.
inner caucus that wanted and still want to take over the church from Mummy Evelyn? Grow up boy.
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by epainos: 1:11pm On Jan 10
Forumites:
if he was a British pastor boss what will you say. I can’t judge and I’m an Anglican by Christian birth and what I’m saying is that if he was to be a white British offspring would this come up. I have been around the globe trust me these guys do worse. We must not take our own to the gallows. Tell them to return our stolen heritage first.
Christ! So you have watched his old videos and still saying this. grin Omo...eh! Joshua has happened to you. I am having my fun knowing those who are easily manipulated. See eh...you are a candidate for such business model. We will soon reach out to you soon. You can't escape it cos I know you are weak.
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by yetmao: 1:12pm On Jan 10
thesicilian:

Every smart person knows that eye witness account, though acceptable in court, is the weakest and most unreliable form of evidence, as it is highly amenable to bias, memory failure and suggestibility.
And the ideal thing the church can do to them is the same thing they have been doing all along: ignore them.
.
Synagogue just lucky the church is not in UK, by now the would have been invaded by police.

Just like all "ME TOO" series, any rape allegation only required testimony from victims. No other evidence is required.

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Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by themainman600(m): 1:19pm On Jan 10
fxexperts:
For one i am not a member of his church and i am also never one of supporters never have i ever had any dealing or supported anyone to go top his church (Business center ) for any miracles, but i am also here to stand for the truth.
About his building collapse, did he tell you he was an engineer. when a building collapse who do you blame. is it not the engineer job to ensure it is safe to do so.
BBC they have alot to gain by tarnishing his imagine. at least that can prove that the black race is never to be trusted. a respected man like TB Joshua across to the globe is a cheat a rapist and murderer masquerading as a follow of Christ is a perfect example to say no to other race that no matter and good and appalling people from this side of the world appeal to you do not trust them. At least in all pictorial depiction the devil is black man. when the BBC show documentary inside Africa they always go to all those interior villages up north to show to the world that Africa is a land where all the children are suffering from kwashiorkor and may die very soon. why don't they show Banana Island or any of those beautiful cities in Africa during their inside Africa media coverage.
For your info the last time i worked with some Asians, here in Nigeria they confessed to me that the never thought Nigeria is this beautiful that all they thought when they told them they will be working in Nigeria they were expecting to see those starving children and mud houses, but they were shocked to see places like VI and co.

And if they are credible, they would have asked for some form of proof from the people they interviewed.

i hope you saw in the interview where the white girl Rachael video taped the part when she was in SCOAN shouting that T.B Joshua raped her and they didn't allow her to see him as he didn't come out either grin
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by themainman600(m): 1:20pm On Jan 10
thesicilian:

Let's keep this civil pls.
Let's say an armed robber comes to your house and robs you of your prized possessions. Because he wasn't wearing a mask, you saw his face, and he's someone you know from down the street. But out of fear you could not take any pics of videos of his face.

How on earth are you going to convince a competent court of law that this person was the one who robbed you unless you're patient enough to gather concrete evidence like his fingerprints and DNA at your house, or evidence of him in possession, using or selling your property?
out of point
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by thesicilian: 1:20pm On Jan 10
Calitoscassius:
If you read my comment carefully you would see where i mentioned investigations twice, i also added that asking for evidence is not wrong. Read again.


Asking for video evidence of rape is absolutely absurd, co's no rape has ever being videoed. It is impossible!
I agree with you to an extent though.
I am not trying to support anyone, all I'm against is the process of medial trial that has now become a standard among journalists.
No one is saying don't speak out, but of what use I'd speaking out after decades if you're still not going to come forward with evidence?
Why didn't BBC include facts in their documentary?

As for the rape case, there's no sane judge that will ask for video evidence when it comes to rape. But other minor details matter. Like where did this happen? When? Who did you tell? What led to it? Did you go to the hospital? Any messages between the two before or after the act? Etc.

But also remember that the accused is a human being as well and has a right to defend himself against false allegations. You don't expect enlightened people to swallow hook, line and sinker a story that a 25yr old woman for instance was raped in a hotel room by a man whom she has been dating for weeks or months without further evidence?
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by themainman600(m): 1:21pm On Jan 10
luminouz:

So without phones or any means of evidence, we should just accept their words of mouth as truth?

Una reasoning dey taya person jare.
go gather the evidence then grin
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by themainman600(m): 1:21pm On Jan 10
Calitoscassius:
Witnesses and victims are confirming what happened to them and you are here demanding for evidence. It is like you reporting to the police that you know who stole your phone and they still asking you for evidence. Asking for evidence is not wrong, but it can be investigated.

So if i want to rape someone i will let her video the rape or take pictures of the rape? undecided again, all these can be investigated.
leave them minus to keep filling them selves im sure they didn't watch the documentary
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by Prince111111: 1:23pm On Jan 10
Conner44:


So you're trying to tell us that inner caucus members of an institution or individual cannot lie against it for their own personal reasons? 🤔



So 50 people cannot go into a meeting and decide to unilaterally tell lies and concoct tales against an individual or institution for their own selfish reasons?

Were you in Nigeria during the last election? Did you observe what happened in Rivers state? Do you know that due to a lack of evidence the court threw out all cases against rigging even when the indigenous people there all collectively knew who won the presidential election in that state? How many people are staff of INEC in that state again? Maybe 100, 200, 300 ? Even Wike once boasted that he had hired over 1,000 people who will personally work for him during the past elections, you think his closed door meeting with those his people didn't bear any fruit right?

So between you and i who is now the sheepish one? undecided
you should ask yourself for what reasons they would tell such a lies or why his daughter Ajoke would also tell such a lie.
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by thesicilian: 1:29pm On Jan 10
themainman600:
out of point
Ok
Re: Madam Saje: BBC Can’t Destroy TB Joshua’s Legacy With Dirty Lies by Davidgregs(m): 1:30pm On Jan 10
nairalee:


Read what I typed again. I'm criticizing "some people's" defence based on his philanthropic work
Oga na you come dey inside people mind now to know their justification based on this case, you no go kukuma rest before this TB Joshua case go kill you.

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