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Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Starcrest1: 2:09pm On Jan 22 |
marvrick: You are daft.! Stop jumping into arguments you know nothing about. For them to have separate names means they are different entities and they operated differently and have separate timelines, go and read your history. |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Ofodirinwa: 11:56pm On Jan 22 |
babasolution: current generation? Muslims act the same way to arabs. Now imagine one of these people becomes a leader of his land and has to negotiate oil contracts and mining rights with whites and arabs. You will then understand Africa in 2023. Do you need me to send you videos of the colbolt slave camps they use to mine in the same Congo? How can you speak to somebody you worship like a man? How many times has northern Nigeria gone into flames for issues that happen in the middle east that doesn't concern us? White pastors who are nobody in America will come to Nigeria and collect money from 100,000 people specifically because of his skin. |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by babasolution: 12:08am On Jan 23 |
Ofodirinwa: Yes,this GENERATION are MUMUs, ancestors of the older generation of many tribes in Africa fought against the whites during colonialism and later for independence. If this generation chooses to see the whiteman or Arabs as gods is their problems. People must wise up themselves, nobody will teach them |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Ofodirinwa: 12:12am On Jan 23 |
babasolution: yes, those ones fought because they were not christian. Once they become christian they become weak and foolish. Even in my town/igboland 100% of those that were fighting fulani when they were trying to do Ruga were the 'traditionalists'. When they fulani would come the christian health adult men will start running. If it wasn't for the few traditionalists we have remaining we would not have repelled them. That's when I realized why it was so important for christians and arabs to spread their slave religions. |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by babasolution: 12:32am On Jan 23 |
Ofodirinwa: For the Christians,the main problem is the doctrine,which Africans/ Nigerians have taken to the extreme, the Christian doctrine encourages weakness and victimhood( forgiveness, long-suffering etc) which can be good to discourage unnecessary wars, unlike traditional culture that encourages revenge or vengeance which therefore encourages WAR,though the Christian doctrine as good ideals which fosters and encourage development and peace but the downsides which you rightly pointed out that encourages weakness and victimhood is clearly evident. Therefore today's Africans have to learn to sift these ideals and choose the positives and drop the negative, that is wisdom,they shouldn't just swallow everything anyhow,that is were I point the current GENERATION as mumu,they aren't applying wisdom to it,just swallowing everything like fools. |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by oyatz(m): 1:42am On Jan 23 |
BitterTruth0001: The Colonial Government came to Africa to do business and reap profits for themselves and home country. The little achievements they made were things that were necessary for their objectives. Long before British colonialism commenced, different Europeans had been interacting with different tribes in Nigeria as traders and Missionaries. In 1859, CMS Grammar School, Lagos was established by the Church Missionary Society under the leadership of the Rev Barbinton Macaulay (the son-in-law of Bishop Ajayi Crowther and father of Herbert Macaulay). Several Schools and Hospitals were established by the Missionaries long before Formal colonialism started in 1900. |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by oyatz(m): 1:47am On Jan 23 |
Ofodirinwa: The Colonialists didn't need anybody approval to carry out their mission. The came to exploit the land and they succeeded. |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Ofodirinwa: 2:16am On Jan 23 |
oyatz: Yes they did, the catholic church. I'm telling you actual history as a historian |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by oyatz(m): 9:37am On Jan 25 |
Ofodirinwa: The Catholic Church had nothing to contribute to the coloniasm of Nigeria. In 1885, European powers sat for days at Berlin, Germany to divide Africa (as spoils of wars) among themselves and the areas around Rivers Niger,Benue to Lake Chad was allocated to Britain. The Colonialists invested little resources to colonised the territory and exploited our natural resources freely. They also turned the peoples to Labourers producing Cocoa, Timber, cotton ,Hides & Skin and other Agricultural products for British economy with minimal rewards for the producers. During the colonial era, Nigeria could only import goods from Britain unless the goods weren't available in Britain, then they had to get permission from the Colonial Masters for European trading firms like UAC, PZ, Levers Brothers, CFAO, UTC, Leventis etc to import the manufactured goods from British-Friendly countries like France and much later, Japan. At that time, British controlled media used to spread propaganda against Japanese goods as being substandard. Nigeria only started trading with other countries few years after independence. 1 Like |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Ofodirinwa: 11:13pm On Jan 25 |
oyatz: since you seem to be interested and well versed in history. Read this when you get some time. https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/doctrine-discovery-1493 All colonies must be recognized by ordained by the pope, the pope also issued the order that all non-christian lands are not legitmate nations and can be colonized. Again, this is why even though Britian is not catholic, the catholic church is very active in Nigeria. the pope served as the UN of his time for europeans. If the UN recognizes something, it's offical among nations, if the UN doesn't, it's not. |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by babasolution: 11:38pm On Jan 25 |
Ofodirinwa: The pope order or papal order was in the time early of slave trade.With the rise of the Protestant movements with England severing from the catholic order and Martin Luther activities, the popes power were weakened The colonial times were different |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Ofodirinwa: 1:53am On Jan 26 |
babasolution: So then why is the catholic church in Nigeria and specifically brought in by colonialists? Why wasn't it all angelican? |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by babasolution: 8:53am On Jan 26 |
Ofodirinwa: The catholic had missionaries, the catholic also got in before the Anglican, remember the Portuguese,Dutch ,even French were here before the British came |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Ofodirinwa: 5:04pm On Jan 26 |
babasolution: I posted the Doctrine of Discovery. It will show you why the catholic church came with the Portugese (slave traders) and dutch (slave traders) and did really went into overdrive with the English (colonizers/Slave traders). In order for you to have liscense to sell slaves, and colonize other countries, you must allow the catholic church into the area and offer them land. If you refuse, your claim is not recognized. The Pope is also the one that declared all non-christian land is up for grabs and the enslavement of non-christians is completely legal for all european nations. Again, I posted the document the pope wrote, you can read it. 1 Like |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by babasolution: 5:13pm On Jan 26 |
Ofodirinwa: Yes ,it was the doctrine back then,most of the popes were evil,probably till now even |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Ofodirinwa: 5:25pm On Jan 26 |
babasolution: The Catholic Church also signed the unprecedented rule that says you can enslave non-christians, and even after they become christians they remain slaves. This is what brought about the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. Without these Papal Bulls European nations would have had to follow their local laws about slavery which they had all abolished by the 1400-1500s. That's why few slaves were taken to Europe. But the Pope ordained that in 'the new world' (the Americas) slavery is 'back' in full swing. 1 Like |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by babasolution: 5:30pm On Jan 26 |
Ofodirinwa: Yes,again the doctrine of Christianity and the good it brought is the key thing here You should also note that many black tribes were ever willing to cooperate and trade with the whites for their benefits, if they didn't trade colonialism would have been prevented |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by christistruth01: 5:32pm On Jan 26 |
It is not a Coincidence that Ethiopia the only African Country to successfully resist Colonisation by Europeans was an Ancient Orthodox Christian Country |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Ofodirinwa: 10:54pm On Jan 26 |
christistruth01: There's a difference between fighting Italy (weak, backwards country) 2 times, and fighting Britian (most powerful country in the world) for 100 years. The Akan for example fought the British for 100 years until the british finally won. Ethiopia found Italy 1 time and won, a second time and lost. |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Sladem05: 7:39pm On Jun 24 |
BitterTruth0001: Europe become more powerful because religion played less of a role in society. |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Sladem05: 7:40pm On Jun 24 |
BitterTruth0001:Africans are too nostalgic and traditional. Traditional way of life has gotten the country nowhere. Africans believe in the myth of the good ole days trying to live like their ancestors. Let go of this myth. There is a very dark side of tradition. |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Rossikk(m): 8:18pm On Jun 24 |
I'VE READ SO MUCH GARBAGE ON THIS THREAD. Everybody is WRONG. The ONLY REASON Nigerians/Africans abandoned their traditional religion was because the colonialists seized NOT just the land, but the resources and riches of the land. Access to those resources became dependent on your getting a British-style education in one of their wretched 'missionary schools', become a clerk, typist or whatever. A COLONIAL JOB. (In areas where Islam was prevalent, they made no such demands to abandon Islam.) Now to gain ADMITTANCE into those ''missionary schools'', you had to renounce your traditional religion, adopt christianity, get baptised, and get an English name, like John, 'Henry', or 'Jonathan'. So all the chiefs and great traditional leaders began sending their wards to the missionary schools, and those later became powerful leaders who were christian, and who entrenched the new belief systems across their regions. Guys like Samuel Ajayi Crowther and co. One thing you people need to realise is that Nigerians have been aware of christianity since at least the 1400s. The Benin Empire had extensive trade relations with Europe, especially Portugal, with whom she exchanged ambassadors in the 1500s. Yes, there actually was an Embassy of the Benin Empire in Lisbon, Portugal, in the 1500s, staffed by Benin bureaucrats, and an ambassador. King Alfonso in the early 1500s had tried severally to get Oba Esigie to allow the establishment of churches in the Benin kingdom. These overtures were bluntly rejected by the Oba, who only allowed the establishment of one or two churches in the kingdom. And no more. And so it remained for many centuries, until 1897, when the British invaded, bombarded, burnt down and looted the great city of its treasures, like the pack of savage vandals they are, and today display their loot shamelessly in their 'museums'. SO THIS WHOLE GARBAGE THAT ''Oh, it was because Africans saw that their gods did not work'' etc etc is just that , PURE GARBAGE. It was ECONOMIC BLACKMAIL BY COLONIAL INVADERS WHO PREDICATED INDIVIDUAL SUCCESS UPON ABANDONMENT OF AFRICAN RELIGION, that forced them to do so. Ancient Nigerians always saw the christian story as BULLCRAP. The entire story made no sense to them. They laughed it off as the story of children. They stopped laughing when the 'holy' christian guns by colonial thieves pointed at them. If Africans abandoned religions because of military defeat or setbacks, why do the descendants of slaves practice their Yoruba religions till today in Brazil, Cuba, Trinidad and elsewhere? Why didn't they say ''Oh well our African gods did not save us from being enslaved, so let us run and accept the 'white man Jesus' as our ''personal lord and saviour''? NONSENSE. ECONOMIC BLACKMAIL is the answer. Here's what would have happened if the British had not IMPOSED Christianity on Nigerians. They would have handed over to an educated leadership practicing a modernised version of TRADITIONAL RELIGION, just like JAPAN is doing today. Japan's religion is Shintoism. There is very little difference between Shintoism and African Traditional Religion. In Japan there are over 200,000 public shrines, many built and maintained by the govt. When a Japanese man buys a car, he takes it to a shrine where the traditional priest pours a strange concoction over the car, to guarantee safe journeys. The Japanese simply replaced blood sacrifice with sacrifice of food, flowers, etc. They upgraded with the times. THAT IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN NIGERIA, if the British were not ASSHOLES. By now we should have BEAUTIFUL SHRINES AND TEMPLES to our various orishas and to the Most High. Shrine in Osaka, Japan ![]() |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by babasolution: 11:03pm On Jun 24 |
Rossikk: Many people willingly abandoned their religion, they weren't entirely forced or coerced, Again many people willingly abandoned their religion, they weren't forced or coerced. |
Re: African Trad Religion Was Largely Abandoned Cos It Couldn't Save Africans by Ojiofor: 11:09pm On Jun 24 |
Oyibos are abandoning christianity also as churches gets empty every day. |
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