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Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 3:18pm On Feb 03
MaxInDHouse:


God gave me honey (🍯) through the bee (🐝)

So God created all things through one creature or another that's nothing special!


Does that mean GOD didn't create anything Himself?

Observe these verses properly:

“In the beginning 'GOD' created the heaven and the earth.”
— Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was 'GOD.'
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Now, do you accept JESUS CHRIST is GOD or not?
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:36pm On Feb 03
Westerhoffe:

Does that mean GOD didn't create anything Himself?
Observe these verses properly:
“In the beginning 'GOD' created the heaven and the earth.”
— Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
John 1 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was 'GOD.'
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Now, do you accept JESUS CHRIST is GOD or not?

Moses is God yes or no? Exodus 7:1 smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 3:48pm On Feb 03
MaxInDHouse:


Moses is God yes or no? Exodus 7:1 smiley


“And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.”
— Exodus 7:1 (KJV)


That is 'a god' and not 'GOD/God'.

There is a huge difference between both.

The Bible did not call the Word of GOD 'a god' but 'GOD/God'.
What are you afraid of admitting?
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Aemmyjah(m): 4:03pm On Feb 03
Westerhoffe:



You should have rather asked where did Jude get the content of the Book of Enoch.
😎

Where did Jude say he got his content of what Enoch said? 😎
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Aemmyjah(m): 4:07pm On Feb 03
Westerhoffe:



[b]GOD never called JESUS CHRIST His Spokesman. You called Him that so as to avoid calling Him GOD He is.

You're the one making the blind arguments here fella!

I'm sure you didn't see that coming… 😂[/b]

When God said 'this is my beloved son, listen to him' ...

Oga
You're seeking attention
Rest
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 4:31pm On Feb 03
Aemmyjah:


When God said 'this is my beloved son, listen to him' ...

Oga
You're seeking attention
Rest


And the same GOD said:

“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
— Hebrews 1:8 (KJV)


If the FATHER called the Son GOD, then who are you to say He's lying?

And whose attention am I seeking because I'm correcting your errors?
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 4:33pm On Feb 03
Aemmyjah:


Where did Jude say he got his content of what Enoch said? 😎


Good question.
From the record of the Book of Enoch.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:02pm On Feb 03
Westerhoffe:

Good question.
From the record of the Book of Enoch.

God and a God is there any difference? cheesy
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 7:36pm On Feb 03
MaxInDHouse:


God and a God is there any difference? cheesy


In case you do not understand, they don't use "a God" for the GOD or Heaven… it is only used for idols/gods which are not the Supreme GOD.

Hope you're learning now?
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:38pm On Feb 03
Westerhoffe:

In case you do not understand, they don't use "a God" for the GOD or Heaven… it is only used for idols/gods which are not the Supreme GOD.

Hope you're learning now?

Guy a God and God means the same thing jọọ!

It's like saying a Doctor and Doctor guy this is really getting hilarious! cheesy
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 7:42pm On Feb 03
MaxInDHouse:


Guy a God and God means the same thing jọọ!

It's like saying a Doctor and Doctor guy this is really getting hilarious! cheesy


Then show me where the Bible uses "a God" to address GOD.

Your inability to understand these things is dangerous.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:49pm On Feb 03
Westerhoffe:

Then show me where the Bible uses "a God" to address GOD.
Your inability to understand these things is dangerous.

Guy go and arrest your English teacher!

A God is tantamount to One God which Paul used @ 1Corinthians 8:5-6

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 Corinthians 8:5-6


The highlighted in blue simply means a God! smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:05pm On Feb 03
MaxInDHouse:


Guy go and arrest your English teacher!

A God is tantamount to One God which Paul used @ 1Corinthians 8:5-6

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 Corinthians 8:5-6


The highlighted in blue simply means a God! smiley




You should definitely go and collect back your school fees.

Using 'a god/God' is an indefinite example used to denote a singular item of a group.

So, why didn't the Bible use, "A GOD' instead of 'ONE GOD'?

To what extent will you go to prove rubbish?

Imagine saying, Hear o Israel, the LORD your GOD is a LORD." Instead of ONE LORD?

Or to say, "GOD is a" instead of "GOD is ONE"

How does that make sense to you?

Just to prove nonsense, you twisted the Bible again as you always do by replacing ONE with A.
Like seriously?
Your English teacher must refund you for teaching you horrible use of the conjunction word.

This is becoming fantastically hilarious!
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:26pm On Feb 03
Westerhoffe:

So, why didn't the Bible use, "A GOD' instead of 'ONE GOD'?

Both means the same thing jọọ! cheesy
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Aemmyjah(m): 8:32pm On Feb 03
Westerhoffe:



And the same GOD said:

“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
— Hebrews 1:8 (KJV)


If the FATHER called the Son GOD, then who are you to say He's lying?

And whose attention am I seeking because I'm correcting your errors?

You are not correcting anything cos the scriptures consistently says that Jesus is the Son of God and there is only one God.
Hebrews 1:8 is quoted from Psalms 45:6,7... Who was speaking to who

You earlier quoted 1 Corinthians where you yourself said there's only one God and only one Lord.
You're just confused cos you don't know whether there's 2 Gods, three Gods or 1 God
Even God himself called Moses God though he was his spokesman
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:54pm On Feb 03
Aemmyjah:

You are not correcting anything cos the scriptures consistently says that Jesus is the Son of God and there is only one God.
Hebrews 1:8 is quoted from Psalms 45:6,7... Who was speaking to who
You earlier quoted 1 Corinthians where you yourself said there's only one God and only one Lord.
You're just confused cos you don't know whether there's 2 Gods, three Gods or 1 God
Even God himself called Moses God though he was his spokesman

Your friend quoted Deuteronomy 6:4

Hear o Israel Jehovah your God is one Jehovah!

But because translators of the version in his hand have removed God's name and replaced it with LORD he is confused! cheesy
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 9:02pm On Feb 03
Aemmyjah:


You are not correcting anything cos the scriptures consistently says that Jesus is the Son of God and there is only one God.
Hebrews 1:8 is quoted from Psalms 45:6,7... Who was speaking to who

You earlier quoted 1 Corinthians where you yourself said there's only one God and only one Lord.
You're just confused cos you don't know whether there's 2 Gods, three Gods or 1 God
Even God himself called Moses God though he was his spokesman


What are you still arguing and explaining agains after you have confirmed that JESUS CHRIST is GOD?
All the long sentences are pointless now.
You admitted that JESUS CHRIST is GOD, and later you started arguing He is not GOD.
Who does that?

Oh!
I've forgotten JWs does.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:06pm On Feb 03
Westerhoffe:

What are you still arguing and explaining agains after you have confirmed that JESUS CHRIST is GOD?
All the long sentences are pointless now.
You admitted that JESUS CHRIST is GOD, and later you started arguing He is not GOD.
Who does that?
Oh!
I've forgotten JWs does.

It's not bad to console yourself though! cheesy
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Aemmyjah(m): 9:08pm On Feb 03
Westerhoffe:



What are you still arguing and explaining agains after you have confirmed that JESUS CHRIST is GOD?
All the long sentences are pointless now.
You admitted that JESUS CHRIST is GOD, and later you started arguing He is not GOD.
Who does that?

Oh!
I've forgotten JWs does.


Well, Jesus is Mighty God
There's only one true God who alone is Almighty and father of all, Jehovah...
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:18pm On Feb 03
Aemmyjah:

Well, Jesus is Mighty God
There's only one true God who alone is Almighty and father of all, Jehovah...

He doesn't want to hear or mention the name of the only true God when Jesus himself spoke, preached and taught in that name! John 17:6, 26

So let him continue deceiving himself! cheesy
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 12:01am On Feb 04
Aemmyjah:



Well, Jesus is Mighty God
There's only one true God who alone is Almighty and father of all, Jehovah...


And JESUS CHRIST said He is the Almighty.

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
— Revelation 1:8 (KJV)
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 12:04am On Feb 04
MaxInDHouse:


It's not bad to console yourself though! cheesy


Consoling myself with what? undecided
You think I'll accept your false and twisted doctrines?
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 12:12am On Feb 04
MaxInDHouse:


He doesn't want to hear or mention the name of the only true God when Jesus himself spoke, preached and taught in that name! John 17:6, 26

So let him continue deceiving himself! cheesy


JESUS CHRIST throughout the Bible never for once mentioned the name of the FATHER for the sake of keeping it hallowed.

JESUS CHRIST through the Bible called GOD, GOD/FATHER and taught the disciples/Apostles same.

The Apostles upheld the same and hallowed the name of GOD the FATHER all their lives, and you want me to follow your beliefs which does not honour or hallow the name of GOD the FATHER?

You just ain't making any sense to me by your comments.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:36am On Feb 04
Westerhoffe:

JESUS CHRIST throughout the Bible never for once mentioned the name of the FATHER for the sake of keeping it hallowed.
JESUS CHRIST through the Bible called GOD, GOD/FATHER and taught the disciples/Apostles same.
Churchians like you are just puffed up with no knowledge and instead of you to learn humbly you will be accusing real disciples of Christ.
Check your version of the Bible and read the preface to find out what was written in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 6:4-5

[b]“Listen, O Israel: JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH. You must love JEHOVAH your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.

The name JEHOVAH or YAHWEH appeared three times in that passage but since Pharisees and Sadducees decided to stop using the divine name they replaced it with "Adonai" which means "Lord" that is why Jesus continue to lay emphasis on the use and mention of God's name:

“You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your NAME be sanctified" Matthew 6:9

 “I have made your NAME manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word. John 17:6


So when Jesus quoted Moses's words at Deuteronomy 6:4 he mentioned God's name:

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH, and you must love JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ Mark 12:30-31

So my churchian guy go now and check the preface of your copy of the Bible instead of arguing blindly because Jesus mentioned and used God's name throughout his ministry by referring to God as father simply means that is the father of all creations!
Read Luke 3:23-38 Jesus is supposed to be the son of Joseph who is the son of Adam who is the son of God! smiley

Westerhoffe:

The Apostles upheld the same and hallowed the name of GOD the FATHER all their lives, and you want me to follow your beliefs which does not honour or hallow the name of GOD the FATHER?

You just ain't making any sense to me by your comments.[/b]
Who told you the Apostles don't used God's name in their ministry?
Oya check your Bible and see where Peter quoted David @ Act 2:34-35 compare to Psalms 110:1
There David sang saying:

"JEHOVAH said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZry54E0bWg?si=jVaSGSAeUS-iqu1x

But the translators of your own version chose to follow the tradition of Pharisees and Sadducees that's why they used Adonai (Lord) to replace God's name hence when you're reading that passage your won't know that someone was issuing orders for Jesus you will just conclude erroneously that the LORD who is the shepherd David meant @ Psalms 23:1 is Jesus instead of JEHOVAH.
So study your Bible personally by comparing what you find in the preface about the divine name with the passages.
Wherever you see the LORD all in capital letters it was God's name that was there originally that's why Psalms 110:1 will confuse most churchians like you because it's obvious that it's about two persons where the greater is giving orders to the lesser! smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Aemmyjah(m): 7:45am On Feb 04
MaxInDHouse:

Churchians like you are just puffed up with no knowledge and instead of you to learn humbly you will be accusing real disciples of Christ.
Check your version of the Bible and read the preface to find out what was written in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 6:4-5

“Listen, O Israel: JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH. You must love JEHOVAH your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.
The name JEHOVAH or YAHWEH appeared three times in that passage but since Pharisees and Sadducees decided to stop using the divine name they replaced it with "Adonai" which means "Lord" that is why Jesus continue to lay emphasis on the use and mention of God's name:

“You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your NAME be sanctified" Matthew 6:9

 “I have made your NAME manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word. John 17:6


So when Jesus quoted Moses's words at Deuteronomy 6:4 he mentioned God's name:

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH, and you must love JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ Mark 12:30-31

So my churchian guy go now and check the preface of your copy of the Bible instead of arguing blindly because Jesus mentioned and used God's name throughout his ministry by referring to God as father simply means that is the father of all creations!
Read Luke 3:23-38 Jesus is supposed to be the son of Joseph who is the son of Adam who is the son of God! smiley


Who told you the Apostles don't used God's name in their ministry?
Oya check your Bible and see where Peter quoted David @ Act 2:34-35 compare to Psalms 110:1
There David sang saying:

"JEHOVAH said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZry54E0bWg?si=jVaSGSAeUS-iqu1x

But the translators of your own version chose to follow the tradition of Pharisees and Sadducees that's why they used Adonai (Lord) to replace God's name hence when you're reading that passage your won't know that someone was issuing orders for Jesus you will just conclude erroneously that the LORD who is the shepherd David meant @ Psalms 23:1 is Jesus instead of JEHOVAH.
So study your Bible personally by comparing what you find in the preface about the divine name with the passages.
Wherever you see the LORD all in capital letters it was God's name that was there originally that's why Psalms 110:1 will confuse most churchians like you because it's obvious that it's about two persons where the greater is giving orders to the lesser! smiley

Just ignore him
He's confused
He's just trying to confuse others to believe that there are 2 equal Gods or that there's only one God who happens to be his own son and representative and Word
If Jesus called Peter and the rest as his brothers, are they brothers of God?
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by orisa37: 9:29am On Feb 04
THEY'RE CONTEMPORARY SPIRITS AND GOD IS THE GRAND ORDER DOMINION.


iamanoited
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:09am On Feb 04
Aemmyjah:

Just ignore him
He's confused
He's just trying to confuse others to believe that there are 2 equal Gods or that there's only one God who happens to be his own son and representative and Word
If Jesus called Peter and the rest as his brothers, are they brothers of God?
He surely doesn't understand what he's saying yet he is puffed up with pride to argue blindly! smiley
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 12:31am On Feb 05
MaxInDHouse:

Churchians like you are just puffed up with no knowledge and instead of you to learn humbly you will be accusing real disciples of Christ.
Check your version of the Bible and read the preface to find out what was written in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 6:4-5

“Listen, O Israel: JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH. You must love JEHOVAH your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.
The name JEHOVAH or YAHWEH appeared three times in that passage but since Pharisees and Sadducees decided to stop using the divine name they replaced it with "Adonai" which means "Lord" that is why Jesus continue to lay emphasis on the use and mention of God's name:

“You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your NAME be sanctified" Matthew 6:9

 “I have made your NAME manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word. John 17:6


So when Jesus quoted Moses's words at Deuteronomy 6:4 he mentioned God's name:

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH, and you must love JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ Mark 12:30-31

So my churchian guy go now and check the preface of your copy of the Bible instead of arguing blindly because Jesus mentioned and used God's name throughout his ministry by referring to God as father simply means that is the father of all creations!
Read Luke 3:23-38 Jesus is supposed to be the son of Joseph who is the son of Adam who is the son of God! smiley


Who told you the Apostles don't used God's name in their ministry?
Oya check your Bible and see where Peter quoted David @ Act 2:34-35 compare to Psalms 110:1
There David sang saying:

"JEHOVAH said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZry54E0bWg?si=jVaSGSAeUS-iqu1x

But the translators of your own version chose to follow the tradition of Pharisees and Sadducees that's why they used Adonai (Lord) to replace God's name hence when you're reading that passage your won't know that someone was issuing orders for Jesus you will just conclude erroneously that the LORD who is the shepherd David meant @ Psalms 23:1 is Jesus instead of JEHOVAH.
So study your Bible personally by comparing what you find in the preface about the divine name with the passages.
Wherever you see the LORD all in capital letters it was God's name that was there originally that's why Psalms 110:1 will confuse most churchians like you because it's obvious that it's about two persons where the greater is giving orders to the lesser! smiley


Leave the long epistle.
Show me where JESUS CHRIST mentioned the name of the FATHER in the Bible. That's all I ask. What's so difficult in that? undecided

You even had to post a Youtube video link? cheesy cheesy cheesy
SO HILARIOUS!
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:46am On Feb 05
Westerhoffe:

Leave the long epistle.
Show me where JESUS CHRIST mentioned the name of the FATHER in the Bible. That's all I ask. What's so difficult in that? undecided
You even had to post a Youtube video link? cheesy cheesy cheesy
SO HILARIOUS!

This is the Bible book of Mark 12:29-30

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH, and you must love JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength"

He was quoting Deuteronomy 6:4-5

“Listen, O Israel: JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH. You must love JEHOVAH your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength

Thanks for your time! wink
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 6:55am On Feb 05
MaxInDHouse:


This is the Bible book of Mark 12:29-30

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH, and you must love JEHOVAH your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength"

He was quoting Deuteronomy 6:4-5

“Listen, O Israel: JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH. You must love JEHOVAH your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength

Thanks for your time! wink




Deuteronomy 6 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
⁴ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
⁵ And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Mark 12 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
²⁹ And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
³⁰ And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.



LORD, LORD, LORD.

You see why I say your doctrines does not teach to hallow the name of GOD?

And before you scream the Greek version, it translates as kyrios also meaning, LORD.

Son, you need to start hallowing the name of GOD and not mention it anyhow without respect and honour.
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:20am On Feb 05
Westerhoffe:

Deuteronomy 6 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
⁴ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
⁵ And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Mark 12 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
²⁹ And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
³⁰ And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

LORD, LORD, LORD.
You see why I say your doctrines does not teach to hallow the name of GOD?
And before you scream the Greek version, it translates as kyrios also meaning, LORD.
Son, you need to start hallowing the name of GOD and not mention it anyhow without respect and honour.
When i said your problem is translators you said i am giving you an epistle now is your turn to bring an epistle.

Ọmọ that's what my own Bible say! grin
Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:09am On Feb 05
MaxInDHouse:

When i said your problem is translators you said i am giving you an epistle now is your turn to bring an epistle.

Ọmọ that's what my own Bible say! grin


I should be the one telling you your problem was your version and its translations.
Because about 20 translations said it is "LORD!"

You should throw that version of yours into the fireplace.
It's misleading you and its readers.

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