MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ in that case the name "Jesus" is also invalid his parents never called him by that name.

He is YESHUA the prophet/son of YAHWEH

or

JESUS the prophet/son of JEHOVAH

So pick one!

This shows how shallow your scriptural understanding is.

The name Jesus is the English translation of the Latin transliteration of the Greek word lēsous.

But the pronunciation of the four Tetragrammaton was lost. So, Yahweh or Jehovah were coined from the four Tetragrammaton YHWH, but scholar settled for YAHWEH as they believed its more closer to the Hebrew language than Jehovah. Which watchtower agreed with.

So the pronunciation of YHWH has long lost before Jesus was even born and it all started like this.

God Himself prohibited the Israelites from pronouncing the name

Jeremiah 44:26 - "Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the LORD, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord GOD liveth."

And God reminded the Israelites how their forefathers forgot His name for Baal.

Jer 23:27 - "Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal."

You see, reason why Jesus didn't bother to restore the name or use it was because another name will be given to MAN UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH MAN MUST BE SAVED. Acts 4:12 and while Apostle Paul applied that Joel 2:32 to Jesus Christ in Rom 10:13

Another evidence from the scripture is that the leaders were looking for every opportunity to nail Jesus Christ, had it been Jesus PRONOUNCED the name, that will be a great opportunity for them to see something to hold accused Him as the pronunciation of the name has been forbidden.

After resurrection, the name that is ABOVE ALL NAME was given at the mentioned of the name of Jesus, ALL KNEES must now both in heaven and on earth. Phil 2:9-10

That is why you see The Apostles did everything IN JESUS NAME not Jehovah.

Ken4Christ:


I am not interested in your question about names. What is important is your salvation. If you are not born again, your knowledge of name of God or whatever will not save you.

So are you saying we don't need to know who JEHOVAH is according to psalm 83:18?
Are you also saying that the Christian God who is The Father is nameless but his son has a name?

Emusan:

The name Jesus is the English translation of the Latin transliteration of the Greek word lēsous.

Yeshua or Jesus, what name did his mother and disciples called him during his lifetime?

Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved. Act 4:12

If his contemporaries like foster father, mother and disciples never called him "JESUS" then that can't be the name given for mankind's salvation.

Do you agree?

Michael547:

So are you saying we don't need to know who JEHOVAH is according to psalm 83:18?
Are you also saying that the Christian God who is The Father is nameless but his son has a name?

The revelation Jesus gave about him is all that I need. Apostle Paul also calls him the Father of our Lord Jesus. This revelation of the fatherhood of God supercedes every other revelation.

Ken4Christ:


The revelation Jesus gave about him is all that I need. Apostle Paul also calls him the Father of our Lord Jesus. This revelation of the fatherhood of God supercedes every other revelation.

So you are honestly admitting that the father has no name and that you don't know who bears the name JEHOVAH.
What name of the Father did Jesus claim to declare in John 17:26 quoted in the screenshot below?

Michael547:

So you are honestly admitting that the father has no name and that you don't know who bears the name JEHOVAH. What name of the Father did Jesus claim to declare in John 17:26 quoted in the screenshot below?

God's Son said his father's name is important but churchians say it's of no use simply because Jesus' name is also important!

Is it not the father who made Jesus what he is? So how come the name of the father is trashed only for the son's name alone to be kept?

You're still showing this your lack of basic Bible knowledge.

MaxInDHouse:
Yeshua or Jesus, what name did his mother and disciples called him during his lifetime?

Jesus mother and Disciples will called Him the name in the Lang the speak that time.

If it's Hebrew it will be Yeshua
If it's Greek it will be lēsous

Since the New Testament was written in Greek then it means they probably pronounced lēsous.

Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved. Act 4:12

If his contemporaries like foster father, mother and disciples never called him "JESUS" then that can't be the name given for mankind's salvation.

They called Him Yeshua/lēsous

They can't called Him with ENGLISH rendition when they are not speaking English.

How hard is this for you to grab?

Look at the screenshot below Matt 1:1 a Greek person will read the first part while an English person will read the second part.

The same with the Psalm 83:19 screenshot

A Hebrew man will read the right hand side while an English man will read the left hand side.

But what is evident here is that, in Hebrew it is LORD the person reading will pronounce and not Jehovah.

Do you agree?

When you even lack the understanding of the subject matter.

The point here isn't translation issue but what is found in the original Lang.

I've provided the scriptures where God forbids the Israelites of mentioning His name and how the their forefathers forgot the name. It is also well known that the pronunciation of the name was forbidden before Christ was born.

So, the issue here are:

1. Did Jesus pronounce the name? Capital NO!
2. Did Jesus make use of the name? Capital NO!
3. Did Apostles make use of the name? Capital NO!

So, why none of them make use of the name?

Ans: Simply because a NAME that man must be saved will be given. Acts 4:12

So, if God wants us to make use of the name.

1. Jesus will have restore the actual pronunciation.
2. Jesus will use it multiple times to show how it should be used, so that no one will accuse another for wrong usage.
3. The Apostles will continue with the pronunciation and usage.
4. The pronunciation will never lost till this moment.
But the fact that none of this happened, it means no emphasis on the name anymore since The NAME THAT IS ABOVE EVERY NAME HAD BEEN GIVEN and we see the usage and pronunciation of this name throughout the works of the NT writers.

Emusan:
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Jesus mother and Disciples will called Him the name in the Lang the speak that time.

So the name is not JESUS just as JEHOVAH isn't the Hebrew pronunciation of the divine name!

MaxInDHouse:
So the name is not JESUS just as JEHOVAH isn't the Hebrew pronunciation of the divine name!

The name is Jesus in English, Yeshua in Hebrew, lēsous in Greek. All these are still TRANSLITERATION.

Your assignment now, is to do for Jehovah the way I did for Jesus

Also provide where Jesus DECLARED the name/MADE The Name KNOWN.

Emusan:

The name is Jesus in English, Yeshua in Hebrew, lēsous in Greek. All these are still TRANSLITERATION.

Just as JEHOVAH is TRANSLITERATION of the divine name YAHWEH!

MaxInDHouse:

Just as JEHOVAH is TRANSLITERATION of the divine name YAHWEH!

You keep exposing your ignorance the more.

Jehovah is transliteration of what

And you'll be arguing blindly on what you don't know.

Michael547:

So you are honestly admitting that the father has no name and that you don't know who bears the name JEHOVAH.
What name of the Father did Jesus claim to declare in John 17:26 quoted in the screenshot below?

All that the Father is has been invested in the name of Jesus.

Emusan:

You keep exposing your ignorance the more.
Jehovah is transliteration of what
And you'll be arguing blindly on what you don't know.

Nobody called the son of God by the name "Jesus" throughout his life just as he also never called God by the name JEHOVAH.

So whatever makes you welcome the name "JESUS" which none of his contemporaries called him during his lifetime you're deceiving yourself when you kicked against the name JEHOVAH because both are TRANSLITERATIONS!

Ken4Christ:

All that the Father is has been invested in the name of Jesus.

So Jesus was wrong for saying he has declared his father's name shey?

MaxInDHouse:

So Jesus was wrong for saying he has declared his father's name shey?

Tell me which of the name of the father Jesus declared with scriptural evidences. What he meant is that he has unveiled his character and personality to them.

Ken4Christ:

Tell me which of the name of the father Jesus declared with scriptural evidences. What he meant is that he has unveiled his character and personality to them.

Ken4Christ:

Tell me which of the name of the father Jesus declared with scriptural evidences. What he meant is that he has unveiled his character and personality to them.

The version you're using is what is misleading you.

Anywhere the title "LORD" is written in your Bible it's God's personal name that was written there before your translators replaced it with the title LORD.

Check these Bible books:
Exodus 6:3; Psalms 23:1; 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 24:6

Now at Deuteronomy 6:4

Moses used the divine name YHWH translated YAHWEH or JEHOVAH but your translators replaced it with the title LORD.

So at Mark 12:29 where Jesus said:

The first is "Hear oh Israel JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH" just as Moses said your own translation rendered it this way:

"Hear oh Israel the Lord our God is one Lord"

That's why you don't grasp what is happening!

MaxInDHouse:
Nobody called the son of God by the name "Jesus" throughout his life

But He was called Yeshua/lēsous

just as he also never called God by the name JEHOVAH.

Now that you agree that Jesus never called God, JEHOVAH.

What did Jesus call God during His time?

So whatever makes you welcome the name "JESUS" which none of his contemporaries called him during his lifetime you're deceiving yourself when you kicked against the name JEHOVAH because both are TRANSLITERATIONS!

Jehovah is a formulation, Jesus wasn't formulated.

I never kick against the Name Jehovah.

I only said KJV made mistake by using Jehovah in a certain verse because it was never appears their and then asked you do you also agreed that NWT make mistake as well?

And scholars even favoured Yahweh as more accurate than Jehovah.

This is where your problem started from and reason why you've been going around displaying your ignoramus.

MaxInDHouse:
The version you're using is what is misleading you.

Anywhere the title "LORD" is written in your Bible it's God's personal name that was written there before your translators replaced it with the title LORD.

That is why it's good to do small research to know the truth.

If what you said here is true then you shouldn't argue against Jesus being Jehovah.

The fact we have today is that ALL OLDEST KNOWN New Testament manuscripts never have the Tetragrammaton YHWH.

One of the reasons Watchtower gave for using Jehovah in the NT is the inclusion in Hebrew J version.

Meanwhile, Hebrew J Version are the manuscripts translated back to Hebrew about 1385AD which has YHWH in ALL PLACES WHERE LORD were Used.

But unfortunately the same Watchtower failed to applied J version in many places because that will make Jesus to be Jehovah.

For instance J7 and J8 translate 1 Peter 3:15 as: (J7) "Sanctify Jehovah God (who is Christ) in your hearts, ..."

In this case the NWT rejects the J Version's use of the word Jehovah, rather reading;

(NWT) "But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, ..."

J7 includes YHWH in reference to Jesus at Acts 9:5 - "Who are you, YHWH?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied."

Here the New World Translation choses not to follow the J versions, translating Acts 9:5 as;

"He asked: “Who are you, Lord?” He said: “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting."

Other verses in which the Tetragrammaton appears in the "J" versions but not as Jehovah in the New World Translation include;

1 Corinthians 12:3
(J14) "...no one can say "Jesus is Lord Jehovah, except by the Holy Spirit."
(NWT) "nobody can say: "Jesus is Lord!" except by holy spirit.

2 Timothy 1:18
(J7,8,13,14,16,17,18,22,23,24) "The Lord Jehovah grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord Jehovah in that day..."

2 timothy 1:18 (NWT) "May the Lord grant him to find mercy from Jehovah in that day."

You can see what Watchtower sold to you and you're repeating here is false.

Ken4Christ:


All that the Father is has been invested in the name of Jesus.

So Jesus declared to people that his father's name was 'Jesus' according to John 17:26?

Emusan:


But He was called Yeshua/lēsous



Now that you agree that Jesus never called God, JEHOVAH.

What did Jesus call God during His time?



Jehovah is a formulation, Jesus wasn't formulated.

I never kick against the Name Jehovah.

I only said KJV made mistake by using Jehovah in a certain verse because it was never appears their and then asked you do you also agreed that NWT make mistake as well?

And scholars even favoured Yahweh as more accurate than Jehovah.

This is where your problem started from and reason why you've been going around displaying your ignoramus.

What about older versions that had the name in more places?

Aemmyjah:


What about older versions that had the name in more places?

Which older versions are you talking about?

Besides, why will you jump on my mention without addressing my post before asking your own question?

Emusan:

But He was called Yeshua/lēsous
Now that you agree that Jesus never called God, JEHOVAH.
What did Jesus call God during His time?
Jehovah is a formulation, Jesus wasn't formulated. I never kick against the Name Jehovah. I only said KJV made mistake by using Jehovah in a certain verse because it was never appears their and then asked you do you also agreed that NWT make mistake as well?
And scholars even favoured Yahweh as more accurate than Jehovah. This is where your problem started from and reason why you've been going around displaying your ignoramus.

Did his contemporaries call him JESUS, YES or NO?

MaxInDHouse:
Did his contemporaries call him JESUS, YES or NO?

I've answered this many times.

Here is my question you dodged.

What did Jesus call God during His time?


At least you agreed that Jesus didn't call God Jehovah...

Emusan:

That is why it's good to do small research to know the truth. If what you said here is true then you shouldn't argue against Jesus being Jehovah. The fact we have today is that ALL OLDEST KNOWN New Testament manuscripts never have the Tetragrammaton YHWH. One of the reasons Watchtower gave for using Jehovah in the NT is the inclusion in Hebrew J version. Meanwhile, Hebrew J Version are the manuscripts translated back to Hebrew about 1385AD which has YHWH in ALL PLACES WHERE LORD were Used. But unfortunately the same Watchtower failed to applied J version in many places because that will make Jesus to be Jehovah. For instance J7 and J8 translate 1 Peter 3:15 as: (J7) "Sanctify Jehovah God (who is Christ) in your hearts, ..." In this case the NWT rejects the J Version's use of the word Jehovah, rather reading; (NWT) "But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, ..."
J7 includes YHWH in reference to Jesus at Acts 9:5 - "Who are you, YHWH?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied."
Here the New World Translation choses not to follow the J versions, translating Acts 9:5 as;
"He asked: “Who are you, Lord?” He said: “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting." Other verses in which the Tetragrammaton appears in the "J" versions but not as Jehovah in the New World Translation include;
1 Corinthians 12:3
(J14) "...no one can say "Jesus is Lord Jehovah, except by the Holy Spirit."
(NWT) "nobody can say: "Jesus is Lord!" except by holy spirit.
2 Timothy 1:18
(J7,8,13,14,16,17,18,22,23,24) "The Lord Jehovah grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord Jehovah in that day..."
2 timothy 1:18 (NWT) "May the Lord grant him to find mercy from Jehovah in that day."
You can see what Watchtower sold to you and you're repeating here is false.

The NWT uses the divine name where it correlates to what is inspired in the Hebrews Scriptures so there is a careful approach in the translation work to verify where Jehovah applies but since you think Jehovah is the same as Jesus how can you figure out such errors in the old translations?

First of all there must be an agreement that the father totally differs from the son if you're not interested in that then your research will hit the wall!

Emusan:

I've answered this many times.
Here is my question you dodged.
What did Jesus call God during His time?
At least you agreed that Jesus didn't call God Jehovah...

YES or NO?

MaxInDHouse:
YES or NO?

I've answered this many times.

Here is my question you dodged.

What did Jesus call God during His time?

At least you agreed that Jesus didn't call God Jehovah...

Emusan:


Which older versions are you talking about?

Besides, why will you jump on my mention without addressing my post before asking your own question?

Tyndale version
Wycliffe
...

MaxInDHouse:
The NWT uses the divine name where it correlates to what is inspired in the Hebrews Scriptures

This is where the manipulation comes in.

First you have to proof that New Testament writers used the Tetragrammaton.

But as we know today, no known oldest NT manuscripts have the name but Lord or God.

so there is a careful approach in the translation work to verify where Jehovah applies

It you're being careful then it means you're injecting your own manipulation.

That is why Watchtower came out to state the criteria they use but under scrutinized it's evident Watchtower was biased as they didn't follow their own rules.

but since you think Jehovah is the same as Jesus how can you figure out such errors in the old translations?

I didn't think so I only clarified your statement.

As you claimed "Anywhere LORD appears in the scriptures is YHEWH that should be there" then you shouldn't argue Jesus being Jehovah.

First of all there must be an agreement that the father totally differs from the son if you're not interested in that then your research will hit the wall!

That has already been established even before Russell was born.

The points are:

1. Was the name YHWH used in the NT?
2. Jesus didn't make use of YHWH anytime.
3. Did any English versions that insert Jehovah or Yahweh in the NT made mistake?

Aemmyjah:
Tyndale version
Wycliffe
...

So what is your point exactly?

because I don't understand where you're coming from

Emusan:


So what is your point exactly?

because I don't understand where you're coming from

Is it proper to use the KJV as reference when it comes to whether God's name should be in certain places of the Bible?

Emusan:

I've answered this many times.
Here is my question you dodged.
What did Jesus call God during His time?
At least you agreed that Jesus didn't call God Jehovah...

Since you're not answering then my own Jesus called my God by the name JEHOVAH! Mark 12:29 NWT

Aemmyjah:

Is it proper to use the KJV as reference when it comes to whether God's name should be in certain places of the Bible?

He wants to erase the name JEHOVAH from the KJV but retain everything else except that name because he has been taught that Jesus was actually praying to himself who is another part of his own existence in heaven!