In 2013 I made a post and cited some research materials for the above given topic. When this topic was discussed most people saw it as a debate that has no bases in Nigeria because according to most, it's something of no consequences, but over the years things have changed.

About a week ago I saw a video of guy almost linched by a group of young men in the NORTH for LOOKING/WALKING/SPEAKING IN A GIRLISH WAY LOL.

This topic is now more important than ever because though we consider this abnormal or against our religious orientation, we must agree there is something more and it deserves a thorough understanding.

Find below link to previous post: https://www.nairaland.com/1471542/being-gay-it-genetic-choice

Most people will ask why bring this back up, from experience, we have always been reactive, always trying to retrace our steps, everything from yahoo boys, to scamming, jungle justice, even kidnapping, it's until we begin to see real numbers of dead bodies or decay that we start reorientation, at which time lots of young minds are already too far gone.
I made a promise to re-evaluate the topic after 10 years.

The core of the research:
Homosexuality, “GAY” Is it Genetic or a Choice? Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?

Some research materials:
Research shows that the basic template for the body and brain of a human fetus is female in its structure. As a result men have some redundant female features such as nipples. Men also have mammary glands which do not function but retain the potential to produce milk. There are thousands of recorded cases of lactation in male prisoners of war where starvation led to a diseased liver failing to break down the hormones essential for breast-feeding.
As we now know, six to eight weeks after conception, a male fetus (XY) receives a massive dose of male hormones called androgens which first forms the testes, and then a second dose to alter the brain from a female format to a male configuration. If the male foetus does not receive enough male hormones at the appropriate time, one of two things may happen. Firstly, a baby boy may be born with a brain structure that is more feminine than masculine, in other words, a boy who will most likely be gay by puberty. Secondly, a genetic boy may be born with a fully functioning female brain and a set of male genitals. This person will be transgender.
This is a person who is biologically male but feeling as if he is a female. Sometimes a genetic male is born with a set of both male and female genitals.
Geneticist Anne Moir in her ground-breaking book Brainsex documents the many cases of genetic boys being born looking like girls and being raised as girls, only suddenly to find that they have penis and testicles that 'appear' at puberty.

Homosexuality is Part of History
Among the ancient Greeks, homosexuality was not only permitted, it was highly respected. The slim, boyish, youthful figure was their ideal of beauty, and paintings and statues were erected in its honour. Poems were written about the love that prominent older men had for young men. The Greeks believed that male homosexuality served a noble, higher purpose and it inspired youths to become worthy members of the community. They also found that young gay men proved to be some of their most courageous, successful warriors as they would fight 'side-by-side in love with each other'.
In Roman times, Julius Caesar was described as 'every woman's man and every man's woman.'
When Christianity frowned on same-sex relationships and God reportedly brought his vengeance down on the City of Sodom, homosexuality was banned, disappeared into the closet and wasn't seen in public again until recently. The Victorian era refused to acknowledge that homosexuality existed and, even if it did, it must be the Devil's work and would be severely punished. As we enter the 21st Century, older generations still believe that homosexuality is a recent phenomenon and an 'unnatural' act. The reality is that it has been around for as long as male foetuses missed out on their sufficient share of male hormones.

Is it Genetic or a Choice?
When Body Language author Allan Pease and geneticist Anne Moir appeared together on British television in 1991 for the launch of their books Brainsex (Mandarin Books) and Talk Language (HarperCollins), Moir revealed the results of her research which highlighted what scientists have known for years – homosexuality is inborn, not a choice.
Not only is homosexuality mostly inborn, but the environment in which we are raised plays a lesser role in our behaviour than was previously thought. Scientists have found that as an adolescent or adult, parents' efforts to suppress homosexual tendencies in their off-spring has practically no effect. And because the impact of male hormone (or lack of it) on the brain is the main culprit, most homosexuals are males.
There is no solid evidence that upbringing affects the likelihood of a child becoming homosexual.
For every lesbian (female body with a masculinised brain) there are about eight to ten gay men. If the gay and lesbian movement was to embrace this research and, if the education system taught these findings, homosexual and transsexual people would not encounter as much prejudice. Most people are more tolerant and accepting of a person who has inborn differences than they are of a person who, in their opinion, makes an unacceptable choice. Take, for example, Thalidomide babies, Parkinson's sufferers, autism or people who have cerebral palsy. The public is more accepting of these people because they are usually born with these conditions, as opposed to homosexuals who supposedly choose their lifestyle. Can we be critical of a person who is born left handed or dyslexic? Or with blue eyes and red hair? Or with a female brain in a male body? Most homosexual people believe that their homosexuality is a choice and, like many minority groups, often use public forums to display their 'choice', which generates negative attitudes from many members of the public.

Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
Gays and lesbians do not choose their sexual orientation any more than heterosexuals do. Scientists and most human sexuality experts agree that homosexuality is an orientation that is unchangeable. Researchers believe that most homosexual orientation develops in the womb, that homosexual patterns are firmly fixed by around age five and that it is outside the control of the person. For centuries, techniques have been used to suppress homosexual feelings in 'sufferers' which have included breast amputation, castration, drug therapy, uterus removal, frontal lobotomy, psychotherapy, electric shock therapy, prayer meetings, spiritual counseling and exorcism. No therapies have ever succeeded.
The best they have been able to achieve is to make some bisexuals confine their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex or force some homosexuals to become celibate through guilt or fear, and to push many others to suicide.
Scientists have shown that homosexuality is an orientation that is unalterable. It's not a choice.
There is a greater than 90% chance that you, the reader, are heterosexual. Think about how difficult it would be to feel sexually attracted to someone of your own sex and you will begin to understand how it is virtually impossible to create feelings that do not already exist. If it was a choice, as many proclaim, why would any intelligent person choose a way of life that exposes them to so much hostility, prejudice and discrimination? Hormones are responsible, not human choices.
Are we Slaves to our Biology?
Scientists know how to change the sexuality of rats and monkeys in the womb. Some groups claim that we can control our likes and dislikes by will or choice and they insist that we can all reverse park or read street directories with the same ease. But scientists know this is unrealistic. You don't need to be a scientist to see that rabbits can't fly, ducks are lousy runners, most women have difficulty reading maps and men reading newspapers are temporarily deaf. Understanding brain structure differences makes us more tolerant of each other and allows us to have greater control over our destiny and to feel positive about our inclinations and choices.
Human intelligence has evolved to a point where we are more in control of our emotions than other animals and can think through our choices. Other animals don't think: they react to circumstances and this makes them slaves to their biology. Our biology is the motivations behind many of the choices we make that sometimes don't seem to make sense to us. So while we are more in control of ourselves than most other animals, we still can't completely buck the system. The biggest obstacle facing most people is their rejection of the idea that we are just another animal with a smart brain. This refusal makes these people victims of their biology.

source.
Barbara & Allan Pease
Abstract from “why men don't listen & women can't read maps

Well long story short, there are two important question here;
1. Is it Genetic or a Choice?
If it is genetic, why do we have to criticize, force other on their sexual orientation? Isn’t that why we as humans have the right to make choice for ourselves

2. Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
If it can’t be changed why pretend it can be changed by placing a ban on it, when in reality it can’t, instead of allowing these people live happily like every other person.

It's indoctrination..... Don't think anyone was borne gay. The environment influence most into it

NSK4U:
It's indoctrination..... Don't think anyone was borne gay. The environment influence most into it

Can you give me more than just religious analysis, this is not about religious believes, this is about the biology of human evolution, the research though from many sources have basis in reality so what counter prove do you have?

NSK4U:
It's indoctrination..... Don't think anyone was borne gay. The environment influence most into it

Not to call you out or anything, I remember I saw a post from, "how can we stop feeling for sex"? https://www.nairaland.com/6883296/how-stop-feelings-sex

The point I am trying to make is we are slaves to our feelings, if you can't control how you feeling toward a female, how do you know its not the same for others.

Wonderful piece there. The truth is, hate often stems from folks being scaredy-cats of anything outside their beige-walled world. Homosexuality disrupts their neatly colour-coded understanding of gender and sexuality. It forces them to confront the uncomfortable reality that the world isn't black and white. Easier for them to throw a tantrum, than be tolerant and learn something new.

sparko1:
In 2013 I made a post and cited some research materials for the above given topic. When this topic was discussed most people saw it as a debate that has no bases in Nigeria because according to most, it's something of no consequences, but over the years things have changed.

About a week ago I saw a video of guy almost linched by a group of young men in the NORTH for LOOKING/WALKING/SPEAKING IN A GIRLISH WAY LOL.

This topic is now more important than ever because though we consider this abnormal or against our religious orientation, we must agree there is something more and it deserves a thorough understanding.

Find below link to previous post: https://www.nairaland.com/1471542/being-gay-it-genetic-choice

Most people will ask why bring this back up, from experience, we have always been reactive, always trying to retrace our steps, everything from yahoo boys, to scamming, jungle justice, even kidnapping, it's until we begin to see real numbers of dead bodies or decay that we start reorientation, at which time lots of young minds are already too far gone.
I made a promise to re-evaluate the topic after 10 years.

The core of the research:
Homosexuality, “GAY” Is it Genetic or a Choice? Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?

Some research materials:
Research shows that the basic template for the body and brain of a human fetus is female in its structure. As a result men have some redundant female features such as nipples. Men also have mammary glands which do not function but retain the potential to produce milk. There are thousands of recorded cases of lactation in male prisoners of war where starvation led to a diseased liver failing to break down the hormones essential for breast-feeding.
As we now know, six to eight weeks after conception, a male fetus (XY) receives a massive dose of male hormones called androgens which first forms the testes, and then a second dose to alter the brain from a female format to a male configuration. If the male foetus does not receive enough male hormones at the appropriate time, one of two things may happen. Firstly, a baby boy may be born with a brain structure that is more feminine than masculine, in other words, a boy who will most likely be gay by puberty. Secondly, a genetic boy may be born with a fully functioning female brain and a set of male genitals. This person will be transgender.
This is a person who is biologically male but feeling as if he is a female. Sometimes a genetic male is born with a set of both male and female genitals.
Geneticist Anne Moir in her ground-breaking book Brainsex documents the many cases of genetic boys being born looking like girls and being raised as girls, only suddenly to find that they have penis and testicles that 'appear' at puberty.

Homosexuality is Part of History
Among the ancient Greeks, homosexuality was not only permitted, it was highly respected. The slim, boyish, youthful figure was their ideal of beauty, and paintings and statues were erected in its honour. Poems were written about the love that prominent older men had for young men. The Greeks believed that male homosexuality served a noble, higher purpose and it inspired youths to become worthy members of the community. They also found that young gay men proved to be some of their most courageous, successful warriors as they would fight 'side-by-side in love with each other'.
In Roman times, Julius Caesar was described as 'every woman's man and every man's woman.'
When Christianity frowned on same-sex relationships and God reportedly brought his vengeance down on the City of Sodom, homosexuality was banned, disappeared into the closet and wasn't seen in public again until recently. The Victorian era refused to acknowledge that homosexuality existed and, even if it did, it must be the Devil's work and would be severely punished. As we enter the 21st Century, older generations still believe that homosexuality is a recent phenomenon and an 'unnatural' act. The reality is that it has been around for as long as male foetuses missed out on their sufficient share of male hormones.

Is it Genetic or a Choice?
When Body Language author Allan Pease and geneticist Anne Moir appeared together on British television in 1991 for the launch of their books Brainsex (Mandarin Books) and Talk Language (HarperCollins), Moir revealed the results of her research which highlighted what scientists have known for years – homosexuality is inborn, not a choice.
Not only is homosexuality mostly inborn, but the environment in which we are raised plays a lesser role in our behaviour than was previously thought. Scientists have found that as an adolescent or adult, parents' efforts to suppress homosexual tendencies in their off-spring has practically no effect. And because the impact of male hormone (or lack of it) on the brain is the main culprit, most homosexuals are males.
There is no solid evidence that upbringing affects the likelihood of a child becoming homosexual.
For every lesbian (female body with a masculinised brain) there are about eight to ten gay men. If the gay and lesbian movement was to embrace this research and, if the education system taught these findings, homosexual and transsexual people would not encounter as much prejudice. Most people are more tolerant and accepting of a person who has inborn differences than they are of a person who, in their opinion, makes an unacceptable choice. Take, for example, Thalidomide babies, Parkinson's sufferers, autism or people who have cerebral palsy. The public is more accepting of these people because they are usually born with these conditions, as opposed to homosexuals who supposedly choose their lifestyle. Can we be critical of a person who is born left handed or dyslexic? Or with blue eyes and red hair? Or with a female brain in a male body? Most homosexual people believe that their homosexuality is a choice and, like many minority groups, often use public forums to display their 'choice', which generates negative attitudes from many members of the public.

Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
Gays and lesbians do not choose their sexual orientation any more than heterosexuals do. Scientists and most human sexuality experts agree that homosexuality is an orientation that is unchangeable. Researchers believe that most homosexual orientation develops in the womb, that homosexual patterns are firmly fixed by around age five and that it is outside the control of the person. For centuries, techniques have been used to suppress homosexual feelings in 'sufferers' which have included breast amputation, castration, drug therapy, uterus removal, frontal lobotomy, psychotherapy, electric shock therapy, prayer meetings, spiritual counseling and exorcism. No therapies have ever succeeded.
The best they have been able to achieve is to make some bisexuals confine their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex or force some homosexuals to become celibate through guilt or fear, and to push many others to suicide.
Scientists have shown that homosexuality is an orientation that is unalterable. It's not a choice.
There is a greater than 90% chance that you, the reader, are heterosexual. Think about how difficult it would be to feel sexually attracted to someone of your own sex and you will begin to understand how it is virtually impossible to create feelings that do not already exist. If it was a choice, as many proclaim, why would any intelligent person choose a way of life that exposes them to so much hostility, prejudice and discrimination? Hormones are responsible, not human choices.
Are we Slaves to our Biology?
Scientists know how to change the sexuality of rats and monkeys in the womb. Some groups claim that we can control our likes and dislikes by will or choice and they insist that we can all reverse park or read street directories with the same ease. But scientists know this is unrealistic. You don't need to be a scientist to see that rabbits can't fly, ducks are lousy runners, most women have difficulty reading maps and men reading newspapers are temporarily deaf. Understanding brain structure differences makes us more tolerant of each other and allows us to have greater control over our destiny and to feel positive about our inclinations and choices.
Human intelligence has evolved to a point where we are more in control of our emotions than other animals and can think through our choices. Other animals don't think: they react to circumstances and this makes them slaves to their biology. Our biology is the motivations behind many of the choices we make that sometimes don't seem to make sense to us. So while we are more in control of ourselves than most other animals, we still can't completely buck the system. The biggest obstacle facing most people is their rejection of the idea that we are just another animal with a smart brain. This refusal makes these people victims of their biology.

source.
Barbara & Allan Pease
Abstract from “why men don't listen & women can't read maps

Well long story short, there are two important question here;
1. Is it Genetic or a Choice?
If it is genetic, why do we have to criticize, force other on their sexual orientation? Isn’t that why we as humans have the right to make choice for ourselves

2. Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
If it can’t be changed why pretend it can be changed by placing a ban on it, when in reality it can’t, instead of allowing these people live happily like every other person.

sparko1:
In 2013 I made a post and cited some research materials for the above given topic. When this topic was discussed most people saw it as a debate that has no bases in Nigeria because according to most, it's something of no consequences, but over the years things have changed.

About a week ago I saw a video of guy almost linched by a group of young men in the NORTH for LOOKING/WALKING/SPEAKING IN A GIRLISH WAY LOL.

This topic is now more important than ever because though we consider this abnormal or against our religious orientation, we must agree there is something more and it deserves a thorough understanding.

Find below link to previous post: https://www.nairaland.com/1471542/being-gay-it-genetic-choice

Most people will ask why bring this back up, from experience, we have always been reactive, always trying to retrace our steps, everything from yahoo boys, to scamming, jungle justice, even kidnapping, it's until we begin to see real numbers of dead bodies or decay that we start reorientation, at which time lots of young minds are already too far gone.
I made a promise to re-evaluate the topic after 10 years.

The core of the research:
Homosexuality, “GAY” Is it Genetic or a Choice? Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?

Some research materials:
Research shows that the basic template for the body and brain of a human fetus is female in its structure. As a result men have some redundant female features such as nipples. Men also have mammary glands which do not function but retain the potential to produce milk. There are thousands of recorded cases of lactation in male prisoners of war where starvation led to a diseased liver failing to break down the hormones essential for breast-feeding.
As we now know, six to eight weeks after conception, a male fetus (XY) receives a massive dose of male hormones called androgens which first forms the testes, and then a second dose to alter the brain from a female format to a male configuration. If the male foetus does not receive enough male hormones at the appropriate time, one of two things may happen. Firstly, a baby boy may be born with a brain structure that is more feminine than masculine, in other words, a boy who will most likely be gay by puberty. Secondly, a genetic boy may be born with a fully functioning female brain and a set of male genitals. This person will be transgender.
This is a person who is biologically male but feeling as if he is a female. Sometimes a genetic male is born with a set of both male and female genitals.
Geneticist Anne Moir in her ground-breaking book Brainsex documents the many cases of genetic boys being born looking like girls and being raised as girls, only suddenly to find that they have penis and testicles that 'appear' at puberty.

Homosexuality is Part of History
Among the ancient Greeks, homosexuality was not only permitted, it was highly respected. The slim, boyish, youthful figure was their ideal of beauty, and paintings and statues were erected in its honour. Poems were written about the love that prominent older men had for young men. The Greeks believed that male homosexuality served a noble, higher purpose and it inspired youths to become worthy members of the community. They also found that young gay men proved to be some of their most courageous, successful warriors as they would fight 'side-by-side in love with each other'.
In Roman times, Julius Caesar was described as 'every woman's man and every man's woman.'
When Christianity frowned on same-sex relationships and God reportedly brought his vengeance down on the City of Sodom, homosexuality was banned, disappeared into the closet and wasn't seen in public again until recently. The Victorian era refused to acknowledge that homosexuality existed and, even if it did, it must be the Devil's work and would be severely punished. As we enter the 21st Century, older generations still believe that homosexuality is a recent phenomenon and an 'unnatural' act. The reality is that it has been around for as long as male foetuses missed out on their sufficient share of male hormones.

Is it Genetic or a Choice?
When Body Language author Allan Pease and geneticist Anne Moir appeared together on British television in 1991 for the launch of their books Brainsex (Mandarin Books) and Talk Language (HarperCollins), Moir revealed the results of her research which highlighted what scientists have known for years – homosexuality is inborn, not a choice.
Not only is homosexuality mostly inborn, but the environment in which we are raised plays a lesser role in our behaviour than was previously thought. Scientists have found that as an adolescent or adult, parents' efforts to suppress homosexual tendencies in their off-spring has practically no effect. And because the impact of male hormone (or lack of it) on the brain is the main culprit, most homosexuals are males.
There is no solid evidence that upbringing affects the likelihood of a child becoming homosexual.
For every lesbian (female body with a masculinised brain) there are about eight to ten gay men. If the gay and lesbian movement was to embrace this research and, if the education system taught these findings, homosexual and transsexual people would not encounter as much prejudice. Most people are more tolerant and accepting of a person who has inborn differences than they are of a person who, in their opinion, makes an unacceptable choice. Take, for example, Thalidomide babies, Parkinson's sufferers, autism or people who have cerebral palsy. The public is more accepting of these people because they are usually born with these conditions, as opposed to homosexuals who supposedly choose their lifestyle. Can we be critical of a person who is born left handed or dyslexic? Or with blue eyes and red hair? Or with a female brain in a male body? Most homosexual people believe that their homosexuality is a choice and, like many minority groups, often use public forums to display their 'choice', which generates negative attitudes from many members of the public.

Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
Gays and lesbians do not choose their sexual orientation any more than heterosexuals do. Scientists and most human sexuality experts agree that homosexuality is an orientation that is unchangeable. Researchers believe that most homosexual orientation develops in the womb, that homosexual patterns are firmly fixed by around age five and that it is outside the control of the person. For centuries, techniques have been used to suppress homosexual feelings in 'sufferers' which have included breast amputation, castration, drug therapy, uterus removal, frontal lobotomy, psychotherapy, electric shock therapy, prayer meetings, spiritual counseling and exorcism. No therapies have ever succeeded.
The best they have been able to achieve is to make some bisexuals confine their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex or force some homosexuals to become celibate through guilt or fear, and to push many others to suicide.
Scientists have shown that homosexuality is an orientation that is unalterable. It's not a choice.
There is a greater than 90% chance that you, the reader, are heterosexual. Think about how difficult it would be to feel sexually attracted to someone of your own sex and you will begin to understand how it is virtually impossible to create feelings that do not already exist. If it was a choice, as many proclaim, why would any intelligent person choose a way of life that exposes them to so much hostility, prejudice and discrimination? Hormones are responsible, not human choices.
Are we Slaves to our Biology?
Scientists know how to change the sexuality of rats and monkeys in the womb. Some groups claim that we can control our likes and dislikes by will or choice and they insist that we can all reverse park or read street directories with the same ease. But scientists know this is unrealistic. You don't need to be a scientist to see that rabbits can't fly, ducks are lousy runners, most women have difficulty reading maps and men reading newspapers are temporarily deaf. Understanding brain structure differences makes us more tolerant of each other and allows us to have greater control over our destiny and to feel positive about our inclinations and choices.
Human intelligence has evolved to a point where we are more in control of our emotions than other animals and can think through our choices. Other animals don't think: they react to circumstances and this makes them slaves to their biology. Our biology is the motivations behind many of the choices we make that sometimes don't seem to make sense to us. So while we are more in control of ourselves than most other animals, we still can't completely buck the system. The biggest obstacle facing most people is their rejection of the idea that we are just another animal with a smart brain. This refusal makes these people victims of their biology.

source.
Barbara & Allan Pease
Abstract from “why men don't listen & women can't read maps

Well long story short, there are two important question here;
1. Is it Genetic or a Choice?
If it is genetic, why do we have to criticize, force other on their sexual orientation? Isn’t that why we as humans have the right to make choice for ourselves

2. Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
If it can’t be changed why pretend it can be changed by placing a ban on it, when in reality it can’t, instead of allowing these people live happily like every other person.

Why are u gay sir??(((no oofencsece)))

MrCork:



Why are u gay sir??(((no oofencsece)))

This sounds like a personal question so I will ignore, can you discuss about facts.

I am not gay or wish to be but this is an important discussion that requires understanding and discussion.

sparko1:


This sounds like a personal question so I will ignore, can you discuss about facts.

I am not gay or wish to be but this is an important discussion that requires understanding and discussion.

You're quoting a known troll, btw.

JessicaRabbit:


You're quoting a known troll, btw.

That explain a lot.

JessicaRabbit:
Wonderful piece there. The truth is, hate often stems from folks being scaredy-cats of anything outside their beige-walled world. Homosexuality disrupts their neatly colour-coded understanding of gender and sexuality. It forces them to confront the uncomfortable reality that the world isn't black and white. Easier for them to throw a tantrum, than be tolerant and learn something new.

Homosexuality serves no purpose. It's perverse. There's no gay gene.
Nature is purposeful. What evolutionary advantages does being gay confer on the human species?
People have the right to pursue their fantasies of perversion, but we must call it what it is -- perversion. Don't make it sound like those who disagree are backward or primitive.

sparko1:


This sounds like a personal question so I will ignore, can you discuss about facts.

I am not gay or wish to be but this is an important discussion that requires understanding and discussion.

There's nothing important about this discussion. It's not a new topic.

ThothHermes:
There's nothing important about this discussion. It's not a new topic.

You may think so, so many ill-informed young minds this days, it will be difficult in another couple of years.

It is a CHOICE. No one is born gay. The deviance is chosen.

Nigeria is a very conservative country which is heavily steeped in religion. This is why our society is intensely homophobic.

Most of the hatred stems from the ignorance and hatred which is propagated by religious leaders all over the country.

Homophobic rhetoric is drilled into the minds of young children right from the moment they can speak and understand words.

I've observed this first hand. I live in a typical 'face me, I slap you' neighborhood. My neighbours collectively happen to have a lot of children, all of them ranging from ages 6 to 13.

They all come out in the late afternoon everyday to play after school.

There's this kid that particularly piqued my interest (Let's call him Miracle)
Miracle is the kind of child you would call "different" He is rather effeminate in nature, but he is very intelligent and speaks with an air of quiet authority.

A lot of his mates constantly make fun of the boy because he's "girly"
At first, it was just light teasing, but over time, it has escalated into much more aggressive and straight up bullying. They constantly call him names like "woman wrapper" and "homo"

I can't help but feel sad for the kid. To make matters worse, his father is a violent jerk who constantly beats him up, perhaps to "straighten" his son. The kid is always downcast and appears much more quiet than usual. The sparkle in his eyes is fading.

All of this shit will accumulate and will intensely screw the kid up by the time he's a young adult. I don't want to intervene before my neighbours take it the wrong way.

The Nigerian society has failed Miracle. Instead of teaching our children to love and respect others who are "different" from us, we continue to sew the seeds of violence in their young hearts, and we keep the cycle of hatred going.

Nigerians generally fear what they do not understand. We should learn to live and let live.

Let us break the cycle.

Well, I'm persuaded to believe that homosexuality is genetic or at least mostly so.
However, we need to also keep in mind that even if it is caused by genetic and biological factors, it is notwithstanding an abnormality, a disease, a disorder. It is one of those things that happen as a result of nature messing up; it is an indication of something bad. So while we shouldn't condemn people who are genuinely naturally homosexual (or whatever other variant), we also shouldn't allow homosexuality to fester and thrive in our society.
Essentially, homosexuals (and their relatives) fall into the same category as Thalidomide babies, Parkinson's sufferers, autism or people who have cerebral palsy (using your examples). They are suffering from a sickness which requires a cure. They are an error that needs to be corrected !

It is definitely a mental disorder
Force those idiot to taste a woman and they will never remain the same..

AlbertNewton:
Well, I'm persuaded to believe that homosexuality is genetic or at least mostly so.
However, we need to also keep in mind that even if it is caused by genetic and biological factors, it is notwithstanding an abnormality, a disease, a disorder. It is one of those things that happen as a result of nature messing up; it is an indication of something bad. So while we shouldn't condemn people who are genuinely naturally homosexual (or whatever other variant), we also shouldn't allow homosexuality to fester and thrive in our society.
Essentially, homosexuals (and their relatives) fall into the same category as Thalidomide babies, Parkinson's sufferers, autism or people who have cerebral palsy (using your examples). They are suffering from a sickness which requires a cure. They are an error that needs to be corrected !

This makes sense. If any genetic markers for homosexuality are found (doubtful), they should be considered negative mutations.

Homosexuals and lesbians are possessed by unclean spirits and they need deliverance to be free.

sparko1:


Can you give me more than just religious analysis, this is not about religious believes, this is about the biology of human evolution, the research though from many sources have basis in reality so what counter prove do you have?

I'm not talking religion buh I know for fact that if sperm + sperm couldn't form an offspring/man and neither egg + egg can, the idea of the offspring growing the genes of attraction for same sex must have stemmed up from his environment and not genealogy. If you have grown up to liking your same sex, you'd agree that either peers or pornography influenced you and not any natural/inborn feelings

Samfloxin:
Homosexuals and lesbians are possessed by unclean spirits and they need deliverance to be free.

Many of our behaviours are possessed by unclean spirits, everyone needs deliverance to be free

MrCork:



Why are u gay sir??(((no oofencsece)))

Stop asking this type of question. It stops knowledge and promotes ignorance. Logically provide reasons you think gays are not natural to man or otherwise

sparko1:


You may think so, so many ill-informed young minds this days, it will be difficult in another couple of years.

Difficult for who?? U guys like making storm out of tea cup....
U are the ones making it difficult.... How many times u see an heterosexual person announcing he's heterosexual.... announcing he's coming out...??
Sex is a private issue ....if y'all gay folks treat it as private, there will be no need for all these seeking validation by linking wateva u do behind close doors with genetics, whether animals in the bush do it or not, etc....

I mean... look at us.. humans with advanced cognitive function...we build planes and communicate from millions of miles away..yet we are seeking validation of our life style from animals in the bush operating at adrenal or survival cortex level ...it's pathetic....

NSK4U:


Stop asking this type of question. It stops knowledge and promotes ignorance. Logically provide reasons you think gays are not natural to man or otherwise

Wot knowledge? Nobody giv fuk about gay people so who want knowledge about fagggggot s? Brother this gay fagggggot are weak people who want to be women by force. Women exist & we love women. We dont want fagggggot dressing or talking like women. Gay people hav h.i.v aid sir!!(no oofencse)

sparko1:
In 2013 I made a post and cited some research materials for the above given topic. When this topic was discussed most people saw it as a debate that has no bases in Nigeria because according to most, it's something of no consequences, but over the years things have changed.

About a week ago I saw a video of guy almost linched by a group of young men in the NORTH for LOOKING/WALKING/SPEAKING IN A GIRLISH WAY LOL.

This topic is now more important than ever because though we consider this abnormal or against our religious orientation, we must agree there is something more and it deserves a thorough understanding.

Find below link to previous post: https://www.nairaland.com/1471542/being-gay-it-genetic-choice

Most people will ask why bring this back up, from experience, we have always been reactive, always trying to retrace our steps, everything from yahoo boys, to scamming, jungle justice, even kidnapping, it's until we begin to see real numbers of dead bodies or decay that we start reorientation, at which time lots of young minds are already too far gone.
I made a promise to re-evaluate the topic after 10 years.

The core of the research:
Homosexuality, “GAY” Is it Genetic or a Choice? Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?

Some research materials:
Research shows that the basic template for the body and brain of a human fetus is female in its structure. As a result men have some redundant female features such as nipples. Men also have mammary glands which do not function but retain the potential to produce milk. There are thousands of recorded cases of lactation in male prisoners of war where starvation led to a diseased liver failing to break down the hormones essential for breast-feeding.
As we now know, six to eight weeks after conception, a male fetus (XY) receives a massive dose of male hormones called androgens which first forms the testes, and then a second dose to alter the brain from a female format to a male configuration. If the male foetus does not receive enough male hormones at the appropriate time, one of two things may happen. Firstly, a baby boy may be born with a brain structure that is more feminine than masculine, in other words, a boy who will most likely be gay by puberty. Secondly, a genetic boy may be born with a fully functioning female brain and a set of male genitals. This person will be transgender.
This is a person who is biologically male but feeling as if he is a female. Sometimes a genetic male is born with a set of both male and female genitals.
Geneticist Anne Moir in her ground-breaking book Brainsex documents the many cases of genetic boys being born looking like girls and being raised as girls, only suddenly to find that they have penis and testicles that 'appear' at puberty.

Homosexuality is Part of History
Among the ancient Greeks, homosexuality was not only permitted, it was highly respected. The slim, boyish, youthful figure was their ideal of beauty, and paintings and statues were erected in its honour. Poems were written about the love that prominent older men had for young men. The Greeks believed that male homosexuality served a noble, higher purpose and it inspired youths to become worthy members of the community. They also found that young gay men proved to be some of their most courageous, successful warriors as they would fight 'side-by-side in love with each other'.
In Roman times, Julius Caesar was described as 'every woman's man and every man's woman.'
When Christianity frowned on same-sex relationships and God reportedly brought his vengeance down on the City of Sodom, homosexuality was banned, disappeared into the closet and wasn't seen in public again until recently. The Victorian era refused to acknowledge that homosexuality existed and, even if it did, it must be the Devil's work and would be severely punished. As we enter the 21st Century, older generations still believe that homosexuality is a recent phenomenon and an 'unnatural' act. The reality is that it has been around for as long as male foetuses missed out on their sufficient share of male hormones.

Is it Genetic or a Choice?
When Body Language author Allan Pease and geneticist Anne Moir appeared together on British television in 1991 for the launch of their books Brainsex (Mandarin Books) and Talk Language (HarperCollins), Moir revealed the results of her research which highlighted what scientists have known for years – homosexuality is inborn, not a choice.
Not only is homosexuality mostly inborn, but the environment in which we are raised plays a lesser role in our behaviour than was previously thought. Scientists have found that as an adolescent or adult, parents' efforts to suppress homosexual tendencies in their off-spring has practically no effect. And because the impact of male hormone (or lack of it) on the brain is the main culprit, most homosexuals are males.
There is no solid evidence that upbringing affects the likelihood of a child becoming homosexual.
For every lesbian (female body with a masculinised brain) there are about eight to ten gay men. If the gay and lesbian movement was to embrace this research and, if the education system taught these findings, homosexual and transsexual people would not encounter as much prejudice. Most people are more tolerant and accepting of a person who has inborn differences than they are of a person who, in their opinion, makes an unacceptable choice. Take, for example, Thalidomide babies, Parkinson's sufferers, autism or people who have cerebral palsy. The public is more accepting of these people because they are usually born with these conditions, as opposed to homosexuals who supposedly choose their lifestyle. Can we be critical of a person who is born left handed or dyslexic? Or with blue eyes and red hair? Or with a female brain in a male body? Most homosexual people believe that their homosexuality is a choice and, like many minority groups, often use public forums to display their 'choice', which generates negative attitudes from many members of the public.

Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
Gays and lesbians do not choose their sexual orientation any more than heterosexuals do. Scientists and most human sexuality experts agree that homosexuality is an orientation that is unchangeable. Researchers believe that most homosexual orientation develops in the womb, that homosexual patterns are firmly fixed by around age five and that it is outside the control of the person. For centuries, techniques have been used to suppress homosexual feelings in 'sufferers' which have included breast amputation, castration, drug therapy, uterus removal, frontal lobotomy, psychotherapy, electric shock therapy, prayer meetings, spiritual counseling and exorcism. No therapies have ever succeeded.
The best they have been able to achieve is to make some bisexuals confine their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex or force some homosexuals to become celibate through guilt or fear, and to push many others to suicide.
Scientists have shown that homosexuality is an orientation that is unalterable. It's not a choice.
There is a greater than 90% chance that you, the reader, are heterosexual. Think about how difficult it would be to feel sexually attracted to someone of your own sex and you will begin to understand how it is virtually impossible to create feelings that do not already exist. If it was a choice, as many proclaim, why would any intelligent person choose a way of life that exposes them to so much hostility, prejudice and discrimination? Hormones are responsible, not human choices.
Are we Slaves to our Biology?
Scientists know how to change the sexuality of rats and monkeys in the womb. Some groups claim that we can control our likes and dislikes by will or choice and they insist that we can all reverse park or read street directories with the same ease. But scientists know this is unrealistic. You don't need to be a scientist to see that rabbits can't fly, ducks are lousy runners, most women have difficulty reading maps and men reading newspapers are temporarily deaf. Understanding brain structure differences makes us more tolerant of each other and allows us to have greater control over our destiny and to feel positive about our inclinations and choices.
Human intelligence has evolved to a point where we are more in control of our emotions than other animals and can think through our choices. Other animals don't think: they react to circumstances and this makes them slaves to their biology. Our biology is the motivations behind many of the choices we make that sometimes don't seem to make sense to us. So while we are more in control of ourselves than most other animals, we still can't completely buck the system. The biggest obstacle facing most people is their rejection of the idea that we are just another animal with a smart brain. This refusal makes these people victims of their biology.

source.
Barbara & Allan Pease
Abstract from “why men don't listen & women can't read maps

Well long story short, there are two important question here;
1. Is it Genetic or a Choice?
If it is genetic, why do we have to criticize, force other on their sexual orientation? Isn’t that why we as humans have the right to make choice for ourselves

2. Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
If it can’t be changed why pretend it can be changed by placing a ban on it, when in reality it can’t, instead of allowing these people live happily like every other person.

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If there's a pill that could turn a gay person straight. Would they take it?

tochez24:

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haba why will you quote the whole thing?

falcon01:
haba why will you quote the whole thing?

the guy is insufferable

advanceDNA:


Difficult for who?? U guys like making storm out of tea cup....
U are the ones making it difficult.... How many times u see an heterosexual person announcing he's heterosexual.... announcing he's coming out...??
Sex is a private issue ....if y'all gay folks treat it as private, there will be no need for all these seeking validation by linking wateva u do behind close doors with genetics, whether animals in the bush do it or not, etc....

I mean... look at us.. humans with advanced cognitive function...we build planes and communicate from millions of miles away..yet we are seeking validation of our life style from animals in the bush operating at adrenal or survival cortex level ...it's pathetic....

The first thing you need to acknowledge is, is it generic or a choice, sexuality is not a choice, we straight guy don't have a choice, our attraction to the female folk is instinctive, we don't choose it.

If this is so, why would anyone hide just so they can be who they are?

This is the point of the discussion.

sparko1:


The first thing you need to acknowledge is, is it generic or a choice, sexuality is not a choice, we straight guy don't have a choice, our attraction to the female folk is instinctive, we don't choose it.

If this is so, why would anyone hide just so they can be who they are?

This is the point of the discussion.

Everything is choice...nothing is genetic about it....sexual attraction is environmentally/lust driven

..hope u realize there are people that fvck both men and women..what genetics is that.??.

... There are people who are sexually attracted to children, animals, non living things, etc..what genetics is this??

..there is nothing genetic about it....what we have are just pple who have a broad spectrum of sexual desires and choose to pursue all these multiple desires they are feeling..

Show me a gay man...and I will show u his female exes and even the women he's still sleeping with... Same for lesbians ....

It is not genetic.
All we have are some male/female exhibiting feminine/masculine traits which doesn't mean they are gay or whatever.

ALL gays are either by choice or influenced by the environment.

advanceDNA:


Everything is choice...nothing is genetic about it....sexual attraction is environmentally/lust driven

..hope u realize there are people that fvck both men and women..what genetics is that.??.

... There are people who are sexually attracted to children, animals, non living things, etc..what genetics is this??

..there is nothing genetic about it....what we have are just pple who have a broad spectrum of sexual desires and choose to pursue all these multiple desires they are feeling..

Show me a gay man...and I will show u his female exes and even the women he's still sleeping with... Same for lesbians ....

Just because a gay man slept with a woman because the environment doesn't permit it.

Do you know how many Nigerian men/guy have anal sex with their wife and girlfriend?

The idea of choice is not clear to you, the thing you call lust is inbuilt, you don't choose to feel that way.

Even as a child I know I was attracted to the opposite sex, it wasn't a choice, I didn't need to develop it, I didn't need to get lectured or try to understand why, all I know is once I am in close proximity I feel how I feel, I can't help it.

A choice implies I made a decision to feel that way.